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Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 17:34 GMT
#753
On March 19 2012 02:31 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 02:29 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 02:26 Drazerk wrote:
On March 19 2012 02:25 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 02:23 Drazerk wrote:
On March 19 2012 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
Voting Drazerk for obvious reasons.
Electing Velinath over BH because BH could be scary as the role and I felt like he was getting some random votes at the start which helped dissuade me from voting him. Velinath seems active and transparent and it's hard to do that as a new player if you are anti-town.


He is the planetary dragon T_T

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm just going to assume this is still your thing about how I must be third party. I've already explained how your reasoning doesn't work there.


Yeah your arguments didn't work up and I had the cell leader DT scan you

Alright, now I know you've been lying basically the whole time, because I've stated before (and will again now) that I am town.


Except your not

Let's think about this. You supposedly give your items to the sleeper cell leader, which pretty much equates to you saying that you're not going to help the town at all. Then, you try to destroy my credibility.

Yeah, that's believable.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 17:54 GMT
#773
On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote:
This town sucks

Because you've contributed so much? You expected us to fulfill one of your objectives without anything concrete to back it up, and when people expressed skepticism you gave your item to the now-hostile third party. Okay.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 18:13 GMT
#789
On March 19 2012 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 03:10 Drazerk wrote:
On March 19 2012 03:01 Grackaroni wrote:
On March 19 2012 02:58 blubbdavid wrote:
Omg, unnessesary EBWOP by Kenpachi, is he communicating with his scum buddies?

Why is everybody in this anti-town state of mind?
There's a difference. Zelblade's EBWOP was in the middle of a post asking about sleeper cells and sleeper cell agents will try to find someway to breadcrumb their identity.


On March 19 2012 02:49 Kenpachi wrote:
This town sucks

It's hard to believe that you are a veteran.
You don't give any reasoning on voting JJ.
You insult the town while choosing to vote for somebody who will not get lynched over a confirmed non-town player.
You still expect people to vote GlaDOS when you give people no reason to believe you are town.


Except he is chell...

I went through his filter he never even claimed to be chell
Where are you getting this from?

Drazerk claimed for him
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:07 GMT
#914
On March 19 2012 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Great so he told the truth about Velinath being 3rd party.

How do you figure? He had role names, throwing out random accusations means nothing. I'm town.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:14 GMT
#921
On March 19 2012 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:07 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Great so he told the truth about Velinath being 3rd party.

How do you figure? He had role names, throwing out random accusations means nothing. I'm town.


So what powers did you get

It's kind of like an inventor, but limited. Basically, I can give items to players. These items are essentially equivalent to roles, but they're one-shot. I also can't just give items out to everyone; I'm limited in how many I can distribute.

That's all I know right now, but I think this role might expand as the game goes on. I'll keep you posted if anything else happens or the scope of the office expands.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#929
gonzaw, items from me will be handled normally. I can give an item to someone and have them confirm that they received it.

Like I said, it's not exactly like inventor. I guess I could elaborate a bit more than I did - I'm limited in what I can give out to a predefined list of items.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:33 GMT
#941
On March 19 2012 08:29 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:24 Grackaroni wrote:
@Gonzaw : He lied about the Cell Leader thing he just didn't want to admit that it was a part of his role.


On March 19 2012 08:20 sinani206 wrote:
On March 19 2012 08:18 Jayjay54 wrote:
On March 19 2
012 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:

Drazerk makes absolutely no sense actually. He could have just told us his real role and promised to work with town.... he would be bullet proof so scum won't stop him. Instead he claims that he needs to kill Gandalf which sounds like a town role, making his claimed role even more anti-town than his actual role. ALSO, I am still requesting lemons.


What for?


electricity obviously

I'm making lemonade?


Lemonade or grenades? Either way I'd expect you to demand to see the manager if you get it at first.

Vel, a bit more explanation if you can. You say you can make one-use items, so does that mean you can make more that one of the same item to pass out? Like if grack wants two lemons?

I can get more than one of the same item, as far as I can tell. Lemons are not among those items though.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:50 GMT
#953
On March 19 2012 08:43 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
gonzaw i said i dont understand my role's context. I cant tell you anything about GLaDOS except that my role targets her.


Eh?
The point of my questions was about how you should STOP talking about GLaDOS and contribute more.
And I asked you for your reads.


Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:30 Kenpachi wrote:
INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS, WHY DONT YOU TRY TO FIND THE ANSWERS YOURSELF
see filter

your questions are all derp.


I can't "find answers" to the "What does player X think of player Y?" question if they never state their reads.


Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:33 Velinath wrote:
I can get more than one of the same item, as far as I can tell. Lemons are not among those items though.



That's not enough, give us more information.
What is the exact list of items you can invent?

Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it.

Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess.

Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 18 2012 23:53 GMT
#956
On March 19 2012 08:51 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote:
On March 19 2012 08:43 gonzaw wrote:
On March 19 2012 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
gonzaw i said i dont understand my role's context. I cant tell you anything about GLaDOS except that my role targets her.


Eh?
The point of my questions was about how you should STOP talking about GLaDOS and contribute more.
And I asked you for your reads.


On March 19 2012 08:30 Kenpachi wrote:
INSTEAD OF ASKING QUESTIONS, WHY DONT YOU TRY TO FIND THE ANSWERS YOURSELF
see filter

your questions are all derp.


I can't "find answers" to the "What does player X think of player Y?" question if they never state their reads.


On March 19 2012 08:33 Velinath wrote:
I can get more than one of the same item, as far as I can tell. Lemons are not among those items though.



That's not enough, give us more information.
What is the exact list of items you can invent?

Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it.

Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess.

Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on.

Are you saying that there is an item that is being used to create these other items?

It's not an item. I need to clarify with the mods to make sure I can share how it works, please hold.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 00:01 GMT
#958
On March 19 2012 09:00 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 08:50 Velinath wrote:
Vig shot, track, watch at the moment. Like I said it's not exactly an inventor role. That's the closest thing I can think of to describe it.

Or if you want a bucket of water I can do that too, I guess.



Why could you create a bucket of water? What specific thing about your Role PM tells you you could create such an object?

Stop being vague Velinath, you promised to be transparent about this, so stop wasting our time, just spill everything out from the get go.



Show nested quote +
Also, I believe other players will gain access to the resource that I would be using to get these items as the game wears on.


What resource?
Again, spill it out.

I'm waiting for the mods to get back to me before I clarify because I'd rather not risk getting modkilled and wasting the entire day 1 election.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#963
On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion now is that Velinath is now a huge danger to town. We now we have possible evidence from Drazerk's claims that Velinath could be a 3rd party along with his Wheatley ability. Yes Drazerk lied about many things, but he also didn't lie about other parts. What possible motive would he have to have to initiate the election for Velinath and then do a 180 and say "don't vote for him he's a 3rd party" if he didn't run his DT check and it came back great power on Velinath? So based on this, 3rd parties can win with any faction, why does Velinath have to stay town-aligned? He doesn't, and he's a item factory that we cannot control.

I don't know why you're trusting Drazerk on anything given that he was all over the map with his claims. He also claimed that Wiggles was not the same as he was, which would be the use of his power as well. Since from what I can tell of his role PM he could only use this once per day, at least one of those claims is false.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 00:57 GMT
#974
gonzaw:
I am a Town player. I am not 3rd party or a Planar Dragon.

I will be more than happy to follow town consensus regarding the item thing. It's not exactly creating items, and I'll explain how the whole thing works once I get confirmation from mods that I can. Inventor was the easiest way to describe it in the context of the game, but as I said there's more to it.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 02:31 GMT
#980
Alright I have confirmation that I can release this.

The Wheatley role gives me access to the Black Market, where I can buy items (and apparently, "services" from other people with access to this) with currency. Right now, I can buy the items I've listed for you previously in the thread. I know for a fact right now that there are others with this access, but I don't know who they are or what faction they are.

I can sell items too, I think, but I'm a little hazy on that.

The way the whole "giving items" thing works is that I can buy an item and immediately have it given to a person I specify.

The Black Market is based around aliases, so if you ask me to buy a specific item and I then purchase it in the Black Market, other people with access to the Black Market will know the alias I post under (they'll be able to compare post times, etc). Please keep that in mind, if you'd like me to purchase items.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 02:41 GMT
#983
We're on a new page, please check the last post on the last page for information.
@Grack I can gift myself items. I will not do so unless the town's okay with me doing so since people probably still have some reservations about my town alignment.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 02:49 GMT
#985
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread

I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 03:12 GMT
#989
On March 19 2012 12:06 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 11:49 Velinath wrote:
I know which alias buys and sells stuff, but I don't know who those people are in the thread

I believe revealing how the market is conducted would merit a modkill. At the very least it's a grey area that I don't want to talk about unless I got direct confirmation that I could.


Fine, then go and get direct confirmation that it could.

Can you post a list of these aliases to the thread at least?

Perhaps other blue roles can get more info about it.

Aliases are based on BW players. As far as I can tell these aliases have no relation to the actual game. I'd post a list, but there are like 3 people on that list so far and I'd rather not out myself that quickly to the other members of the market.

Unless you think that getting rid of my anonymity to two people I don't know is a good idea, in which case I guess I could.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 04:42 GMT
#1002
On March 19 2012 13:41 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 13:35 gonzaw wrote:
There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it:



-If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it.
If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it.
If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party.

The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right?
(Unless I'm missing something).



He claimed the angry core would take two people down with him, no?

Doesn't matter, even if he got it it would be disabled per his role PM.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 06:03 GMT
#1011
On March 19 2012 15:00 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 14:48 Foolishness wrote:
gonzaw, it is unbelievable that this I must do
but trust me when I say I wish it weren't true.
I try to be clear
with what I post here
If you have any questions just ask me dude!



Posting clear is a good thing, but not enough.

The Foolishness I've heard about is not one that just sits around waiting for people to ask him questions, or just comes in around every once in a while and makes a single "clear" point.
If you were anybody else, this would have been fine (for the most part).

But you are not, and I expect a lot of you; initially I expect you to be more active, and at least have posts that have more than 6-7 lines.


You tell me you can't write a 30-line poem or so? If you really want to keep up with this rhyme bullshit, then at least do it right.



If rhyming is your post restriction
It doesn't mean you have to follow it perfectly
Trying too hard to do it is just a constriction
You don't even need to do it subtly

For instance you can just make it apparent
that you want to write in verse
but then just post whatever is your intent
I mean, you can still write verse without it being a rhyme.



His post restriction's probably limerick. That makes things a little trickier.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 06:04 GMT
#1012
ebwop as opposed to just generalized verse.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
March 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#1158
So, I'm going to assume that the third parties have similar conditions; given the Destabilization Engine, that makes sense, anyway.
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