TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

On March 09 2012 06:38 layabout wrote:
something is telling me to /in ....

On March 09 2012 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:


I'm the very paragon of manner in-game my friend.

On March 12 2012 19:31 EchelonTee wrote:




hey look its a jubjub


Saying that multiple people coming to the same conclusion at the same time doesn't mean squat, and I don't like how you imply those 3 people are likely town. In surprinsingly normal VII I posted a fake ass case on Bluelightz, then Shraft posted a nigh-identical case on it. scum and town can come to the same conclusions. I also am getting tired of meta arguments. I believed all you vets in TL L (oh palmar is being a scummy fck lynch him, NOT), and I tried to apply it in Newbie Mini III (DYH just decided to play differently trolol), but meta and only meta cannot convince me anymore.

On March 12 2012 23:20 Kurumi wrote:
Pandain has zero posts in the thread. That's sad, he knows how to play and should be here to help us.
Schworz is away too.
Deconduo said he dislikes the way layabout plays and that's it, though he's EU so I think he'll come back in something like 4-5 hours.
Bill Murray is playing a good game so far and I am really happy about that.
jaybrundage, You voted Schworz really quick, then posted a list with people we should lynch and then voted Jackal, sup?
You ask for cases, say other cases are bad and never make one Yourself, what's up man?

On March 14 2012 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
jaybrundage, how are you differentiating between scummy lurkers and not scummy lurkers?

On March 14 2012 10:43 Mattchew wrote:

so what do you think of bill murray

On March 13 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote:
My Rattata and I need friends.
I am voting for the person who put the least effort into voting Jackal and this is Node. It's D1 and I don't want to lose him. We can verify his claim at any time.
Also
Jackal's Town: He gets roleblocked. Mafia loses 0.5KP every Night.
Jackal's Scum: Thanks to basic math we might work out that he is lying about roleblocks.

On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:
Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....

Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew

I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.

On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:
Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....

Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew

I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.

On March 15 2012 04:10 Palmar wrote:


Who the fuck do you think you are.

Bow to your king.

On March 15 2012 07:01 Kurumi wrote:
I don't know why this case was brought today instead of D1, if You think I am scum. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I am Town. I am Dreamer. I am passive informative role goddamnit. I trolled on purpose (but pokemon references have nothing to do with hinting traitor, it was PURE TROLLING) so scum would think I am traitor. I thought it was very strong to go for such a gamble when I can deny additional 0.5KP for a loooooooooooong long time.

On March 15 2012 07:13 Kurumi wrote:
Mr. Wiggles, I am a passive informative role. I get an information every cycle, starting with D1. The first one I got was about Dreamflower role being present in the game. The second one(D2) is a lot harder to get anything from, it's my dream, so basically a clue. It seems like I basically get information about the setup every cycle, but I am not sure.

On March 15 2012 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Kurumi is indefenseable at this point.

jaybrundage, you play like scummy shit all game then start demanding role claims from everyone. Stop doing that. If you're town, it's stupid and unhelpful.

On March 16 2012 14:43 EchelonTee wrote:

1. no you didn't push that. several other people put cases on him, u just accused him of being traitor once. begging for cred?
2. I wanted to kill node too, who was green. that make me scum? Jackal wanted to kill node too. that make him scum? oh wait.
3. hypocrisy~

On March 17 2012 02:04 sandroba wrote:
Alright just looking at the voting list means that most likely mafia did not vote for kurumi, since even one member of mafia unvoting could have prevented his lynch. I'll check out the how the last day went to see if this theory fits. I think our best bet is looking at the players that are not on kurumi's vote list.

On March 17 2012 03:22 Katina wrote:


Though there was only 11 votes on Kurumi, the rest of the votes were spread out. If you read through day 2, there wasn't an organized push to take the attention off of Kurumi.1 Everybody (myself included) who didn't think Kurumi was mafia was going after different people (DrH, BM, Palmar, etc). So it's very unlikely the mafia were trying to save Kurumi.

I did vote for him only because I was under the impression that he was just being a jub jub and thinking he was helping the town. I didn't think he was the most optimal lynch that day which is why I tried to put attention onto DrH. I admit to defending Kurumi and trying to put pressure elsewhere but at least I explained what I was doing and I tried to do it.

That's a hell of a lot more than anyone else did. Look at the other people who didn't vote for Kurumi:2
EchelonTee never pushed BM or really defended Kurumi.
BM and gumshoe were mia.
Jackal was derping cause he was already going to die.
schworz is getting replaced.
gumshoe wasn't here either.
Caller thought Kurumi was mafia but for some reason was voting for Palmar.
prphlz mistyped his vote? but he still seemed okay with the Kurumi lynch.

I explained what I was doing and why I thought Kurumi was not the best lynch and I was the only one. Going after me cause I tried to get people off of Kurumi is the silliest thing considering that NOBODY ELSE even tried. If you really think the mafia were not voting for Kurumi, you should be looking at the people who were mia during the second half of the day (BM, gumshoe) or the people who hardly talked about it at all (EchelonTee) or the people who should have been voting for Kurumi but weren't (Caller, prplhz).

On March 17 2012 09:00 Palmar wrote:


Dumb, bad or scum.

In all three cases further input from you into the thread are not needed.

On March 11 2012 13:25 ZBot wrote:


Current votes:

Caller (12): Curu, sandroba, jaybrundage, prplhz, EchelonTee, Jitsu, [UoN]Sentinel, Abenson, DoctorHelvetica, Bill Murray, layabout, Katina

jaybrundage (1): Mattchew

Mattchew (0): Bill Murray, -Bill Murray

Not voting: Caller, Mr. Wiggles, deconduo

The Day deadline is at 2012-03-19 12:00:00. (That's approximately 5:50:25 from now.)

[13/03/2012 22:05:15] No name: but given that "Kaller game" is named after him i expected him to do something weird
[13/03/2012 22:05:53] No name: though i would to skim some of his old games before making that kind a meta judgement
[13/03/2012 22:06:24] Jesse Huard: Well, what looks weird to me, isn't really that he made a case on Jackal, or the weird DrH accusation, but more what happened afterwards
[13/03/2012 22:06:42] No name: he went quiet?
[13/03/2012 22:06:45] Jesse Huard: Instead of actually pushing for the jackal lynch, he spent all his time calling VE scum
[13/03/2012 22:07:01] Jesse Huard: and saying that if jackal flips town, we lynch VE the next day
[13/03/2012 22:07:14] No name: without a good reason for saying so
[13/03/2012 22:07:24] Jesse Huard: Why wouldn't you try to ensure your first suspect is actually lynched?
[13/03/2012 22:07:53] Jesse Huard: Then, why do you reveal the stuff about VE, when it would be much more powerful all at once, and if it depends on the flip, after you see the flip
[13/03/2012 22:08:36] Jesse Huard: Also, the stuff he says, is pretty contradictory
[13/03/2012 22:09:09] Jesse Huard: He calls VE out for what he sees as trying to set himself up to look good no matter what the flip is, while he does the same thing himself
[13/03/2012 22:09:36] Jesse Huard: also, it's kind've weird, because if he was mafia, he should know what the flip is, so I don't get what he's saying, in a way
[13/03/2012 22:10:00] Jesse Huard: if VE was mafia, he should know what the flip is, so why would he set himself up to look good both ways, according to caller*

[13/03/2012 22:10:00] Jesse Huard: if VE was mafia, he should know what the flip is, so why would he set himself up to look good both ways, according to caller*

[13/03/2012 22:10:00] Jesse Huard: if VE was mafia, he should know what the flip is, so why would he set himself up to look good both ways, according to caller*

On March 17 2012 12:26 Caller wrote:
##Kill: Palmar

no need to thank me guys

On March 22 2012 09:14 sandroba wrote:
@docH you promised you'd explain why you think JB is scum and I still see nothing. All I see is useless argument going in circles. If you think the guy is scum you don't need to convince him, you present a case for us. Please be more objective.

On March 15 2012 03:59 jaybrundage wrote:
I would like to lynch Kurumi or Katina

Kurumi for what i think could be a scum slip. As prplhz has pointed out his Rattata reference can be seen as mafia attracting the tratior or the tratior trying to call out mafia. I'm not sure why this has been glossed over quite so easily. Tratior has to be joined with the mafia and the sooner the better a free kill point for them.



He has been posting in polish and generally not really contributing. He puts a vote on node because he has put in much effort. But besides that makes little contributions the the thread. Then votes for Caller because he he say's he doesn't think we will see the flip. Is he planning to hide it as scum. Or does he think that Caller is bullshitting about the whole thing which seems unlikely and dumb.




Regarding Katina her first post she jumps on Mattchew. She makes a case and points fingers simply because she wants to
"fit in." So she makes a bad case on Matt with little to no reasoning saying his posts was just bad? Doesn't put any effort in it.

She calls out people for posting with no content, however she has no content of her own. This play style is very similar to how she played in BCAC. She constantly called out people with out posting any thing of her own.

She then calls out Node calling him on lack of content and flip flopping. Well this post has some merit. and Node has potential as red. I can totally see Katina pushing a teammate that has no content. Very similar to how she pushed her scum buddy sheth last game Also in BCAC.


She also tried to discredit a now confirmed townie VE

Overall I would like to lynch either one of them. Any thoughts questions

Oh and Palmar I would like you to PM me and roleclaim to me please.

On March 28 2012 08:23 Katina wrote:

Do you even read?

On March 28 2012 03:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Question is meaningless. The amount of effort I put into the game based on personal factors is not indicative of anything besides how busy I am or are not.

Anyway, this is why I believe JB is scum or the traitor. There is a sharp change in his behavior. He begins the game with a very soft stance on LaL. When he comes under fire for what he's talking about, he pulls back a little bit. There is also this gem which is typical of scum "We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him." TRANSLATION : When lurkers are lynched on the basis of being bad or just lurkers, it's very easy for scum to decide which lurkers are lynched. All they have to do, for example, is say "Hey, let's kill Abenson for lurking" instead of scum lurker Y and when it gets into late game they can swing each lynch where they want it. The problem with killing lurkers fast is that the best does not lead to lurker lynches, only the loudest voice does.





The part in bold is what worries me the most. Lynch lists are beyond useless, I remember going off on VE for pages about his in Storm which got him so upset he almost quit so I won't beat a dead horse, but I still think it's scummier than not. This post was so early in the game that calling out a lurker is worthless, not only that, he's suggesting we already lynch one of these players just for not posting early into the day.




Apologetic and wishy washy. This changes very fast.




Lots of posts like this. He's really just summarizing what's happening and adding useless comments.




Newfound confidence occurs after he goes after Kurumi. JB calling out Kurumi is what sparked his claim, this does not indicate that JB was town or anything. If this confirms JB to anyone then it must also confirm me because I pushed the case equally hard and voted for Kurumi as well. Don't have a double standard now. As a rule, I'm much less interested in who defends who than just who acts like scum. I'll second guess myself into a corner otherwise.

I never tried to play this lynch for town cred or to "confirm" myself and then fish role claims out of people. Are you kidding me? JB gets away with that?







Look at JB's logic here. This is the only post that makes me think "bad townie". He seems to genuinely view the game this way:

Town - Only bandwagon or vote for scum. Never vote for a town aligned player.
Scum - Only bandwagon or vote for town. If you vote for scum you're town, if you vote for town you're scum.

Katina is scum for pushing Node when a lot of people suspected him? And me and JB are town because we got Kurumi lynched who was scum? Sorry, that's not how mafia works.




Trying to discredit a townie? Again, more making cases based on the assumption that he is confirmed. Unbelievable.

JB continues down this path. I believe JB was the traitor, probably rolechecked by scum Night 1 which explains his behavior coming out on Day 2. If Kurumi wasn't a planned bus, it could be a sloppy bus. I was sloppily bussed in HP Mafia and did a sloppy bus on LSB in that game too iirc. Basically, one player says "I'm just gonna bus Kurumi" but the rest of the scum don't go along with it, maybe some do or some don't, or see a chance to make mislynch/nolynch happen near the end and fuck with the vote. It could be any number of reasons.

There is no denying JB had a sharp change of attitude from wishy washy/apologetic and only commentating on nothings/policies to brash, aggressive, confident, arrogant even pushing people and trying to force everyone to think he's confirmed based on nothing more than the fact that he posted a case on someone who was scum. Something I also did. Twice. If you think JB is town and I'm not JUST because I was busy and rude for a little bit (not too strange for me, I've almost been modkilled for rudeness and flaming as town before) and the fact that I PM'd Kurumi because I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM AND THEN PUSHED HIS LYNCH DAY 2 you are a jubjub.

On March 16 2012 16:46 jaybrundage wrote:
First off I'm not begging for town cred. I'm demanding it.
I did push Kurumi. But don't worry hopefully I'll get another scum tomorrow. Speaking of scum your looking pretty scummy there buddy. Want to go on the docket?

Lets see didnt vote for Kurumi check. Trying to discredit a townie check.

Let me ask you think ET do you think Katina is scummy and why.

Im assuming your answer is going to be no because you know your her scum buddy.

And um yea thats about it :D