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On February 28 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote: I'm Jesus 2.0, your point is invalid. Reading the kaller game now which is mildly off beat. Wouldn't it be awesome if the inventor could invent Jesus, but no-one believed him because he had no proof he actually was Jesus? The only way the new Jesus could activate his godly powers is if the majority of the thread prayed to him Religious mafia! Hey who are you guys? On February 28 2012 09:41 Pandain wrote: Last edit: 2012-02-28 09:41:30 Burn the witch! ##Vote Pandain | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:58 GMarshal wrote: You clearly don't know about Pandian, the only survivor of insane mafia, or who deconduo, the guy responsible for PTP 1 and 2 is . I think you are in for a bit of a surprise if you think you are surrounded by newbies :-P I've wanted to do PTP3 for ages but I just don't have time. Final year of college, thesis, PhD applications, study, exams, Dota 2, etc. etc. However as soon as my finals are over I promise I'll be back >:D | ||
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On March 01 2012 12:19 Misder wrote: Awww, so slow... 1). I like lynch all liars. Lynch one lurker on Day 1 if needed- analysis takes care of the rest. I like analysis. 2). LAL, like most policy lynches, is a massively stupid idea. There are situations where a good move is to lie, blue claiming/softclaiming to draw hits for example. On March 01 2012 12:18 Probulous wrote: ROFL, the only one who posts is the one who shouldn't be lurking. Great start! LAL is a stupid policy and so is discussing it. The whole point of mafia is to make decisions based on the evidence in game. Having premade policy's that by their very nature preclude taking each circumstance on its merits, is stupid. I will not support a LAL policy. I doubt anyone would. LAL is dumb, however discussing it isn't bad at all. It gets people talking day 1 when there's no elections to stir things up. You shouldn't shoot down discussion of anything just because you disagree with it. On March 01 2012 12:41 Probulous wrote: Thanks for the reminder Adam. For reference Player List: 1. Jackal58 - USA 2. Paperscraps - USA 3. Bluelightz - Indonesia 4. Probulous - Great Southern Land 5. Snarfs - Kanucksland 6. rgTheSchworz - Romania 7. Misder - Fairy Land AKA who the fucks knows 8. Pandain - USA 9. Palmar - Iceland 10. Sandroba - USA 11. TheToast - USA 12. Adam4167 - Land Down under 13. A Killer Cuppa Tea - Neighbours with Misder 14. deconduo - Ireland This is what I have for countries based on profiles. Misder and Tea where are you boys based? Making pointless lists sets off my scumdar like crazy. On March 01 2012 13:33 Probulous wrote: @Misder I am not advocating analysing a lie. We all agree that lieing is scummy. That is all I meant by using it as a piece of data. Town should not lie unless they absolutely have to and have damn good reasons for it. If you do, it should be counted as evidence towards you being mafia. That is all, just another brick in the wall so to speak. Your case should stand on its own regardless of the lie. If the liar can't show why they did it and they looked scummy already then yes they should be lynched, but be aware that is not a policy lynch. Good post, good points. On March 01 2012 13:51 Probulous wrote: See this bugs me. It is the same for Pandain. I am trying to get people to post. I am actively pushing the thread along as best I can. What exactly do we have to avoid here? We are not on a track. I agree with Sandroba that policy talk is useless but it was brought up and I responded to those that asked me questions. However both of you guys are saying that I am spamming the thread with useless information. When I respond with my reasoning, neither of you acknowledge it. Pandain then ignores it and suggests that because I took "so long" writing it, I am hiding something. How do those things go together? Pandain calls me out for posting too much, but I am hiding something? Does anyone else find this strange? Scummy post. You are getting overly defensive over one small accusation from Pandain and a post by Toast that wasn't even directed at you. Its easy to post a lot of fluff as mafia, without actually saying anything significant. Your list of people/countries is a good example of a filler post. Stop trying to post so much and worry more about the content of your posts. You're not inspiring me so far. On March 01 2012 12:52 Misder wrote: And then what. "But maybe he had a reason to lie! He could have been doing <insert WIFOM here> and actually been trying to help town!" Do you think it's going to be net beneficial for town to have to deal with this crap (excuse the language) than for the supposed reason to lie? I don't think so. On March 01 2012 13:25 Misder wrote: If you think you can analyze lying as a piece of data correctly, go right ahead. Don't blame me when scum tricks you. On March 01 2012 13:39 Misder wrote: Again, go right ahead w/ your analysis. If you believe that you can tell if scum is lying about having good reasons or even that town had good reasons to lie, fine. Using WIFOM as an excuse to push LAL is pretty weak. The only justification for LAL is a universal rule to punish lying in any game. It only works if its used in every game. As it never has enough support in TL games its pointless to try and implement now. Your posts so far this game have been short and one dimensional. ##Vote Misder | ||
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On March 01 2012 16:28 rgTheSchworz wrote: Your chances of surviving another night are now halved,sir. Best way to start this is with a feeler vote, so ##Vote: Probulous Arguing with Misder about lynching liars and lurkers is unproductive. We all knew beforehand that most players were gonna be US-based, so why bother with a list? Besides,duh, its in the profile, and we only have 14 players, not veery hard to remember. This ,,friendly chat,, provides the opportunity for scum to blend in perfectly.They arent forced in any way to react scummy, and can just sheep the towniest around.Your spam, Probulous, doesnt inspire me, because indeed it is spam.If we are gonna discuss strategy, then let it be based on names, which we can hold accountable on further days. If not, just vote between posting. A feeler vote D1 is absolutely justified,as long as you are willing to change who you are voting for once you have a strong suspicion.It provides pressure on normally presureless D1 s for scum.Waiting for scum to fuck up is lame, lets make em fuck up. Good post up to this point. Calling out Probu for posting a pointless list is spot on. However.. Ive randomed a purely awesome role this game. .. I really hate when people do this. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:12 Palmar wrote: I think that analysis is surprisingly bad deconduo. Why is it so bad? Can you explain that to me? Dunno I'm going through filters so I might be missing the order in which things were posted. I'm just reading the game for the first time now. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:14 Palmar wrote: There is nothing wrong with making a list, you guys are insane. Do you want me to show you how often scum make pointless lists in games? Its the most obvious filler you can make, because it a massive important looking post that adds absolutely nothing to the game. No, I have no idea why YOU think its bad. | ||
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On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: Yeah, please show me examples of scum making fluffy lists. PYP3 LSB posts lists all through day 1. Bum posts 2 lists as well. Both are scum. No one else posts lists. Its happened in at least one other game I've played but I can't find it. Because no one does it. Because its scummy. On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: And I think it's bad because none of the things you mentioned say anything about the alignment of the players in question. It doesn't mean they're town, it just means that your analysis is invalid. For example, you're being massively dumb and saying LAL is stupid when it isn't (I'm not going to argue this, I'm right). However that tells me very little about your alignment. LAL is stupid. It only works if its applied to every single player in every single game. Arguing about LAL doesn't indicate alignment, thats correct. However when someone like Misder makes a bunch of oneliners about LAL, while not actually making any good argument about it, and doesn't post anything else in the game. That is scummy, and thats why I'm voting for him. On March 02 2012 01:21 Palmar wrote: While the posts you quoted from both probulous and misder do reflect something about them, what you pointed out certainly isn't it. If you think I'm wrong, point out why. Don't say I'm wrong and not elaborate, its pointless. If you're town you should be explaining your opinions rather than brick walling. | ||
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On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote: Probulous is town Palmar is null rg is town deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far Vote: deconduo Scumslip much? I might have bad reads, but the only way you could know they were bad is if you're scum. Especially seeing as neither read was about you. On March 02 2012 06:45 Probulous wrote: Decon, are you seriously saying that my list was the only thing I contributed to this game? Because that is the only way it could be used to drive an agenda. To make it look like I was contributing while actually posting nothing. Well so far I pointed out Pandain's scummy attempt to undermine me, Palmar's "scumslip" (I don't believe it, just needed a response) and I had the discussion with Misder which convinced you he was scum. How can you cast suspicion on me for hiding? It should be clear to everyone that the list was made early game to help people be aware of timezones. That is all. How that is scummy I will never know. I never said the list was the only thing you contributed, I said the complete opposite. The list didn't contribute, which is why I found it scummy. Compared to your other posts it stands out. Everyone who's played mafia before understands that people are in different timezones, and even people in the same country can be on at different times. After Adam posted this: On March 01 2012 12:29 Adam4167 wrote: 3:30am in Iceland and Ireland right now, probably a bit hopeful that Palmar and deconduo are on. The other two may be around, depending on which US states they're in. Welcome back Misder, second wiggles game for both of us. If you're town again, do you plan on playing out the whole game this time? There was no need for your post, as it added nothing to the game. However your posting since has been good, so I'm not as suspicious of you anymore. I think you are wrong about teacup though. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:59 rgTheSchworz wrote: Oh, I must ve done something wrong. The text didnt appear under normal format. Here you go: Paperscraps usually posts like that. Still not enough for him to be lynched D1, I d say. I d prefer not to talk about Arkham, I had a simple plan, but it failed, due to some truth-loving townies. Still baffled that only 3rd parties managed to figure out my role and that I did not look scummy. ##Unvote On March 02 2012 09:18 Pandain wrote: AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia). Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere. Toast's latest response is more interesting actually.... Contrast this tone with the others. Looks like hes trying hard to make a good point(with italics + bolding and shit). Not only that but while writing this post he researched other players(shown by his accusations of me, saying how I had 4 posts, noting my play). His accusations of me mean that he could either be a trigger-happy townie, or that he's trying to downplay me. I can't determine anything out of that, actually it sort of helps his case. This part is quite interesting though: I'm interested what you meant by that, Toast. Why would you defending me lend you any town support? How would you know if I'm town? By far though the most compelling and persuasive argument against him is the fact that he accused me, rather certainly in his opinion, that i was "desperately trying to hide something", and that I'm playing scummily. And yet overall, I'm not a good enough vote? Seems a bit of a paradox there. Yeah, Pandain,softdefend your scumbuddy,Cup? Saying that he isnt scummy because of WIFOM(scum wouldnt do that) and that more conclusive evidence is to be found elsewhere is, on the other hand, scummy as hell. The Toast has shown his(its?) teeth once he was attacked. Typical town, scum usually get defensive in this spot. Probulous, that s why you have lost 3 games. The Toast isnt trying to divert attention, not with such a vocal post.Plain wrong, though I would like to see something other than OMGUS from him.He is leaning town, actually. Glad you arent spamming anymore. So far, It s between Cup and Pandain. Especially as Cup is a newbie and could very well have scumslipped. Lurkers, speak up. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:53 Jackal58 wrote: Yes and also that your location list serves no purpose. And no, sorry, you have no magic powers. What do you think of misder, for a vet his posts have been pretty lacklustre. | ||
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On March 02 2012 12:27 Misder wrote: I'm glad I'm under fire. This whole thing that I'm spouting one-liners thing is pretty messed up. There is nothing wrong with saying what my opinions are on policy lynches. It's not like I push that we should implement Lynch all Liars, but rather that it really is a good policy and I'm going to vote based on that policy. (I also find it cute that deconduo called me a vet) Anyways, Paperscraps is town. Probulous is town. Bluelightz is town. Snarfs is town. Palmar is town. A Killer Cuppa Tea is town. Pandain leaning town. rgTheSchworz is null. Adam is leaning scum. Sandroba is leaning scum. ##Vote: deconduo His reason for voting for me was because he disagreed that LaL should be a policy. I don't know why his reads are the opposites of my reads (namely, Paperscraps and Probulous). I'm missing some people because I missed them when I did my first impressions sheet/I wasn't paying enough attention to everyone/nothing stood out from anyone else. I love when people OMGUS, it means I'm probably right about them. Also I voted for you because you posted 3 one liners about LAL and then disappeared. You come back with a list of reads with no explanation behind them, OMGUS me and then disappear again. You haven't made a single worthwhile post. You haven't done any analysis. This is typical mafia behaviour. On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote: Question do we know how many scum there are in the game? My scum reads so far. Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed. TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all. ##Vote: Deconduo I messed up the format last time. Please explain how could you know my reads were bad if you are town? We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:44 TheToast wrote: You realize you voted for me AFTER sandro voted you, right? So what exactly are you trying to say here? Why are you even quoting this? What's the point here? His name is spelled wrong. | ||
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On March 03 2012 16:44 sandroba wrote: I'm back and drunk. I was leaning scum on misder so not such a bad lynch, but the fucker flipped town. Fuck everyone that voted him. I kill you. GG There have been two useless players in this game, Misder and you. I'd be quite happy if a vig takes you out tonight. Its unfortunate that Misder flipped town, but he wasn't doing anything to help anyway. He had a single useless post over a 44 hour period. | ||
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On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote: misder as far from useless, anyone voting him is not reading the thread, stupid, or scum. Show me a single useful post from him. Just one post where he makes one good analysis against one player. Even sandroba has one. Now shut up and play. On March 04 2012 03:14 Palmar wrote: Deconduo, you decided to use an easy fucking bullshit explanation to vote a townie, even after I told you that it was bullshit, and I later explained that I thought he was town. I take that as an insult. You're literally calling me bad at mafia by straight up refusing to listen to me. I will make sure you die this game. LOL All you said is that I was wrong. You gave no explanation or reasoning behind that opinion, even after I asked: On March 02 2012 01:48 deconduo wrote: If you think I'm wrong, point out why. Don't say I'm wrong and not elaborate, its pointless. If you're town you should be explaining your opinions rather than brick walling. If you don't give me any reason to listen to you, why should I give a fuck about your opinion. Its your own fault Misder died because you are too full of yourself and think everyone should listen to you, rather than making a decent argument. Start playing properly and lose the god complex. | ||
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On March 04 2012 04:41 Palmar wrote: are you dumb? do you need obvious information spoonfed to you? If thats what you take from it, then yes. I have no respect for you as a mafia player. The fact that Misder got lynched proves that you are either wrong or bad. -Either you are such a terrible mafia player that you couldn't convince people to lynch Sandroba over Misder, despite the fact that the case against Misder was obviously wrong. -Or the case against Misder wasn't obviously wrong and you are just butthurt. | ||
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On March 04 2012 04:45 Palmar wrote: and everyone should listen to me, we'd have one less townie dead if people did Why should people listen to you if you don't give them any reason to. | ||
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On March 04 2012 09:05 Adam4167 wrote: I didn't support either of the 'main' lynches yesterday and considering the votes ended up being split 3-3 in favour of your two main candidates, neither did most other people. I was not avoiding responsibility by not voting for Misder, go read my filter, I didn't think he was scum. Lazy, yes. scum, no. I also didn't vote for sandroba on similar reasons, I think he is being lazy or just plain doesn't give a shit, which is not indicative of his alignment to me. So I was presented with the 'choice' of voting for two people, neither of which I find overly scummy. So I decided to provoke Palmar, partly because I feel his play is different to what I expect from town Palmar, partly to gain a better read on him in case I am wrong and he is town. The result is I still don't know what his alignment is. I asked him to produce more content (in the form of a case on me), but he refused as he was hell-bent on only focusing on sandroba yesterday, so I don't know what to make of him. This is my biggest problem with him too. | ||
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Did anyone take a hit last night? If not, its not unreasonable to think that rg was hit twice. I highly doubt that the anti-town KP is only 1. While mafia doublestacking RG is unlikely, its possible both SK and mafia went after him independently. However until I hear ACKT come up with an explanation, ##Vote A Killer Cup of Tea | ||
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On March 05 2012 04:57 Jackal58 wrote: Speculation does nothing for us. rg was one of the most active voices day 1. Activity level in this game is amazingly low. I know my level is as bad or worse than anybodies. Prior commitments are now out of the way. Adam are you going to do anything other than defend Sandroba, fish for blues and call me out for my disbelief in Misder being lynched by 3 people? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=192320 Adam is scum. Yeah the fact that AKCT claimed vanilla means its irrelevant. One of them is scum so we lynch AKCT today. The last thing we need to do today is to go inactive though. We can't let the discussion die just because we've caught one mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2012 06:12 Pandain wrote: AKCT is town. I was just seeing how he reacted :<. He was the second most suspicious person I had, so I just decided to pressure him a little. What he did was opposite of mafia. If he was mafia, he would have claimed to have a blue role, not a vanilla townie. Instead, he's been actively offering the right thing to do in his situation(if town): Lynch him, and then lynch me. If he's SK the situation is a little different, but still points to him as town. He's perfectly alright with being lynched( when he CAN'T as SK if he wants to live.) So basically now, in my opinion, AKCT is 100% town. + Show Spoiler + basically im not watcher/tracker unless im pulling epic mindfuck games You do realise this doesn't work. The ploy tells us nothing about his alignment except that he probably didn't kill RG. Unless he actually did visit rg last night, he would know you are lying. All you've done is waste a day. ##Unvote | ||
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On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote: Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit. Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not. No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum. Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this. ##Vote: Deconduo Hi again mister tunnel. | ||
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On March 05 2012 13:47 Probulous wrote: I thought of this but this quote makes me less certain. If he was SK he wouldn't be worried about getting shot. We haven't had a vig claim the shot so it could only have come from mafia which makes zero sense. Why target someone who was the leading vote getter the day before? No I think he was a saved by a medic. I agree with Paperscraps that a town medic saving Sandroba is just not credible. So we are left with veteran or mafia medic. He was under pressure and was worried about dying so a mafia medic protect makes sense. His way of claiming the shot doesn't ring Vet to me. Vets normally celebrate when they are shot. Why would he be worried about getting shot if he knew he had a medic to save him? In fact, I think SK is far far more likely as they would have the most to lose by getting shot; losing their night life. A mafia with a medic to back them up is basically immune to night hits, so shouldn't be worried at all. ##Vote Sandroba | ||
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On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote: There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum. I agree that he isn't scum, but he's almost certainly SK. We're better off lynching him now, rather than letting him get another shot off. | ||
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-Probulous is definitely town, amd he's trying to push a case against him. -Defended Sandroba Day 2 -Voted Sandroba when there was no chance to save him. -Considered Palmar confirmed town Night 2, then Palmar dies. -Jackal read him as scum. Now obviously Jackal isn't infallible, but he did flip town and he's a decent enough scumhunter. Its certainly worth considering his opinion. Conclusion: Scum Paper: -Paper has been tunelling me since Day 1. He says he's convinced I'm scum -He thinks Jackal is scum by association -He doesn't shoot me Night 1 -He doesn't shoot me Night 2 -He shoots Jackal Night 2 -He claims the kill AFTER the day post This makes absolutely no sense to me. If he is a vig, why not shoot me? Why claim after the day post instead of before? If he is scum/SK, why claim the kill? Given the missing KP, I'm inclined to think Paper is SK, and was worried about being tracked. Jackal was a blue read for me, which would explain why Paper would go after him. When none of the bodies flipped Tracker, he claimed the shot figuring if he didn't he'd lynched on the spot if he had been tracked. Its a bit of a stretch, but I can't see anything else that makes more sense. It also explains why he would wait for the day post. Conclusion: SK I'm gonna go over Palmar's post in Day 2 to see if he breadcrumbed anything. Hopefully if he did it isn't too obscure. Back in couple of hours. | ||
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On March 07 2012 20:08 Probulous wrote: Decon do you think it likely we have both a watcher and a tracker? Seems a stretch to me but could be true. That would give us a watcher, tracker and medic(probably). If you're assuming a SK too that is a lot of power roles in such a small setup but I guess they are more weak than usual. I agree that Paper's decision to shoot Jackal over you needs explaining. Makes sense from a mafia point of view to keep you around if they think they can lynch you. I still think Adam is a better bet for today's lynch. From phone In most setups like this the watcher functions as a medic role rather than detective. So you'd have a Tracker+Watcher or Tracker+Medic. That way if the Tracker claims, he can be protected by the Medic or Watcher. If mafia try to kill him he either gets saved or the killer gets seen by the Watcher. I don't think its a stretch to think we'd have a Tracker + Watcher but no medic. However, what I think doesn't really matter, its what Paper thought at the day post. He claimed exactly one minute after the post, so he didn't have time to think about his decision. He was obviously waiting for something, and was going base his claim on the contents of the day post. At this point I think lynching Paper might be a better choice. If he is SK: -We drop anti-town KP by 1 guaranteed. -It removes any kingmaker scenarios. -Scum are down one member already. | ||
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On March 08 2012 04:05 Paperscraps wrote: Last night was the only time I shot. I find it surprising that people would think I am mafia/SK just blatantly announcing my kills all of a sudden, when mafia/SK tend to try and hide and blend. I guess that is WIFOM, but what benefits do I have in claiming I shot some one as mafia/SK? Don't give me some crap about how I could have been tracked or something. My claim wasn't a reaction to anyone calling me out. I claimed this way so that if I was tracked or something, the PR can stay hidden and not have to out their report. ##Vote Paperscraps | ||
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On March 08 2012 06:06 Snarfs wrote: decon, besides Paper, who else do you think could be SK? If Paper isn't SK, he's scum or there isn't an SK. I don't think scum would play like paper is playing so I haven't really considered that situation tbh, Considering that if there is an SK, he shot sandro and knew his hit claim was legit, I'd say Adam or Pandain.. Their reaction to the Sanrdro lynch sways me that way. | ||
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On March 08 2012 03:09 Paperscraps wrote: Note Decon's hesitance to vote Adam, after he calls him scum. I'm not hesitant to vote Adam, I'd just prefer to lynch you instead. Adam is my 2nd choice of lynch today, but dropping anti-town KP is more important right now. | ||
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On March 08 2012 08:04 Probulous wrote: If nothing else note his persistance in trying to clear his name. He is clearly frustrated but is putting in the effort to try and make his thinking clear. Compare that to Adam, who is apparently still too busy to participate. Decon I agree it would be nice to lower KP with a SK lynch but I don't believe that Paper is the SK (if we have one). We lynch Adam today. I can deal with that. ##Unvote ##Vote Adam4167 | ||
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On March 08 2012 09:27 Adam4167 wrote: Trying to draw conclusions from a possible scum-team involving me will ultimately fail, because i am going to flip town in around 24 hours. The assumption that anyone voting for someone you have a town read on must be scum, is just flat out stupid. I don't hate paper for voting me, it was me or him when he did, so that's an obvious choice. I suggest everyone take a hard look at AKCT, who's posted even less then bluelightz after being 'confirmed town'. He also claimed 'vanilla townie', which is inconsistent with the role in the OP 'townie'. Palmar did the same thing, he flipped blue, but I don't think AKCT will. Snarfs, find me a mafia that actually admits he hasn't been contributing, and ill show you an idiot. Mafia deflect or misdirect. I do think Pandain is town hence why I didn't attack him. Why his read has shifted towards me, that is not something I can answer, you can ask him. Deconduo, your 'case' against me is terrible. Its filled with confirmation bias. Palmar was the obvious choice to die on N2 since he was clearly town and probably not just a plain townie. Jackal's read is wrong, he clearly wasn't putting much into this game, why would you expect his read to be even close to right? If we had a medic that wasn't on Palmar N2 after leading the sandroba lynch, then hes useless. I would go as far as to say you should lynch anyone that even claims medic for that. If there's a medic, its a Medic, because I really don't see a town medic being stupid enough to protect sandroba N1. I led the Sandroba lynch day 2. Palmar wanted to lynch AKCT, but I convinced him to switch to sandroba: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210¤tpage=21#413 | ||
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On March 08 2012 12:55 Adam4167 wrote: ##Vote Bluelightz On March 08 2012 13:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late. On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town...... On March 08 2012 18:19 Adam4167 wrote: You're right and if you were scum, you'd be sailing me down the river right now. So I think you're town. ##Unvote Could you guys BE any more obvious. | ||
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On March 04 2012 20:33 Palmar wrote: There is no sensible reason to disbelieve pandain's claim, so AKCT is going to have to claim. Now, he can't really claim medic because the chances of scum double stacking rgTS on night 1 seem very slim. If he claims vig we lynch him, because that shot was beyond stupid. so what's left are the tracker and the watcher. I just don't think we have multiple of those in such a small setup. He can't exactly claim watcher either because that way he'd know who visited rgTS, so I guess he's going to counterclaim tracker or something? Or try to make us believe we have more than one? For this reason I am going to disbelieve any claim he claims. The only reasonable claim for him from a balance/viability standpoint i claiming watcher and point to a random townie and getting that player lynched, but in this case we lynch him anyway, and before we lynch the guy he points a finger at. Pretty sure the was Palmar breadcrumbing his watcher claim. I can't find any Night 1 result breadcrumb though. Possibly this: On March 07 2012 09:05 Palmar wrote: I am a soft kitty On March 07 2012 09:07 Palmar wrote: sometimes I just wanna cuddle But thats either spam or too cryptic for me. | ||
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On March 09 2012 06:16 Pandain wrote: Before I go on, I want everyone to remember that this is the work of 24 hours of constant lurking, re reading, re-re reading, going through each filter again and again, rereading thread in entirety, and even night time pondering. I don't believe Paperscraps. I feel people are beliving he is town merely because he claimed vig. Everyone seems to have forgotten this role.... This doesn't mean its scum, but it does make us remember that there are now three possibilities for Paperscraps to be: 1. Serial killer. 2. Mafia Vigilante 3. Vigilante Him claiming vigilante in no way makes him town. Rather, we must analyze two things in determining his alignment: 1. His reasoning/motivation behind shooting Jackal 2. His posts/votes this game(Normal Analysis) I'll be posting more once I make sense of everything..... Don't forget 4. Mafia Goon/Medic | ||
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On March 09 2012 06:28 Pandain wrote: Decondou I think your town and value your opinion, what do you make of paperscraps claim? SK. If not SK, probably town, because there's no way his mafia parter(s) would allow him to make a claim as dumb as that. However given his play and the fact that the KP adds up, I'm pretty sure he's SK. | ||
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On March 10 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote: That's patently untrue. Yes you pushed for a Paperscraps lynch but you never defended Adam. When I asked you outright whether you were still suspicious of Adam, you wrote (linky) This post (linky) where you make your case against Paper has only this to say about Adam. So no, you were not pushing against an Adam lynch. You don't get credit for trying to save him because you obviously thought he was scum. As far as I can see the only one who does get some credit is bluelightz. Decon what are your thoughts on Pandain? If it was a normal player, he would be 2nd on my scumlist after paper. However its Pandain who rolls a dice to decide what to do each day: 1. Claim mafia 2. Claim tracker 3. Lurk 4. Spam 5. Lose the game 6. Win the game I've never been able to read him properly, its what makes him a meh town player but a deceptively dangerous mafia player. If I was to go with my gut I'd say town. However the only way to know for sure is when he flips. | ||
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On March 10 2012 10:02 Probulous wrote: What happened between 1 and 2? You do realise you read is useless right? You're basically saying he is a "meh" town player but if he is mafia we should watch out. Your gut says town but your head says scum. You couldn't be more diplomatic if you tried. I find it really odd that he has made a concerted effort to buddy with you. You have no opinion on this? You're a fat null for me right now and that is not good enough on Day 3. I had you pegged as town but you are not helping us, so please try and provide something useful. Its not a read, I'm telling you Pandain is unreadable. He does crazy shit all the time, it has no bearing on his alignment. His fake Tracker claim, him disappearing for a day, him buddying me. That's all typical Pandain play, whether town or mafia. If you want useful reads: -Paper is SK. -Probulous, Toast are town -Snarfs, Blue, AKCT are scum. If only one person dies tonight then that will change as it would probably mean no SK and Paper is telling the truth about being vig. | ||
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On March 10 2012 10:42 Probulous wrote: Those are very strange reads. If I had pick one townie out of everyone here it would be Snarfs. Why? He has flip flopped the whole game. Look at this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210¤tpage=25#495 Then this quote: On March 09 2012 07:19 Snarfs wrote: While I know there are a few people who I've pointed out as being shady, Paperscraps right at the top of the list. The just two hours later, he defends Paper and pushes the lynch on Adam instead: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210¤tpage=35#681 Also this comment of his annoyed me: On March 07 2012 04:04 Snarfs wrote: No comment here. I agree, Decon FoSing you was silly. | ||
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On March 10 2012 10:25 Snarfs wrote: Yikes! Does this mean I'm dying tonight and you want to look like you had no clue when I flip, or do you have something to back that up? Its posts like this that make me think you are scum. | ||
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-Mafia have a medic. -If we lynch the SK we lose, unless there is a town vet or medic around to absorb a hit. -Bluellightz is scum: He jumped on the Sandroba BW when it was over. He posts this which is completely untrue: On March 10 2012 12:34 Bluelightz wrote: After counting math, today, we NEED to lynch the SK 3-2-1 split isn't good. Here is the possible resuslts if we lynch scum today 1-1-1(1 kp town, 1 kp scum) 2-1-0(1 kp scum, 1 kp SK{but if the sk has not been shot yet it will be 2-1-1} If we kill the SK we are almost guaranteed to lose. The only way we can win is if the SK kills a mafia tonight, which can't happen if he's dead. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On March 10 2012 21:02 Bluelightz wrote: Yeah decon I realized it but didnt bother to correct sorry :| How does Mafia have a medic(the sandroba hit?) Explanation for all that: -11 town + 3 mafia would be very townsided, unless mafia had 3 PRs. As sandroba flipped goon this is not our setup. -10 town + 4 mafia is a more balanced setup, but then it would be 3-3 and the game would be over. -11 town + 2 mafia + SK would be too weak for mafia -Therefore it must be 10 town, 3 mafia, 1 SK. -Mafia must have a medic as SK hit sandroba night one and was saved. He didn't flip vet and no town medic has come forward to claim the save. | ||
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On March 12 2012 01:11 Bluelightz wrote: I am now going to vote TheToast cause I think he is scum. ##Vote: TheToast I think that TheToast and deconduo are trying to make a web of lies (Make town think there is a mafia medic/vig) Please explain the following if there isn't a mafia medic: -There has to be a Serial Killer -There is absolutely no reason for Mafia or the Serial Killer not to have shot night 1 -Sandroba claimed hit -No town medic has claimed saving Sandroba -Sandroba wasn't a vet -Therefore, a mafia medic MUST have saved Sandroba. Also Toast is arguing the exact opposite of me, saying that there isn't an SK, and that Sanroba could have lied. I'm not so sure he is town anymore. | ||
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On March 10 2012 12:54 TheToast wrote: Again, what makes you so sure SK double stakced on Jakal or Palmar? If the SK exists, they could have chosen to not submit a night hit. Strange that you would jump to conclusions.... That's a really bad assumption. There is almost no reason for an SK not to shoot. | ||
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On March 12 2012 10:29 Probulous wrote: Given he hasn't posted since the 9th I don't have much confidence in him Do you stand by these reads? Obviously not Paper but they others. Not so much anymore. I was most confident in you being town and Paper being SK. The fact that Paper flipped vig has fucked with my confidence a lot. I'm also worried about the complete lack of resistance to the bluelightz lynch, though a blue+AKCT scumteam would explain that a lot. If that's the case, it would mean that the SK lies between you snarfs and toast. Now, an SK can play just like a townie, and they tend to be a lot harder to catch. I've been flippping through filters and Toast's last couple of posts seem off to me. | ||
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##Vote Probulous Sorry prob | ||
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On March 12 2012 12:01 Probulous wrote: You assholes We played, game over guys. One time, just one time I would like to win and I got so close Were you SK? | ||
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On March 12 2012 12:03 Probulous wrote: Yup, I am indeed the SK Sweet, I was worried there for a minute that we fucked up. We were fairly confident though. | ||
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