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That was, until one fateful day, there was a royal party in the loveliest of places. A giant summer mansion. One friendly owner. Eight golden tickets to happiness. Monsieur Dragoné was bored, as was the entire continent. Owning a summer mansion in the San Francisco Bay of gloriously sunny California, he decided to fly from his home in New York to spend a few weeks at this paradise. But what fun is a mansion without some company? That is when the invitations were sent out. He called prominent members from around the globe to join him. Ghost, most beautiful princess in the world and soon to inherit the royal British throne, TheToast, Scientist and Researcher of Marine Life at Hawaii's Pacific University, Paperscraps- Brilliant child prodigy who by age 12 had solved Fermat's Last Theorem, Palmar, Renowned brain surgeon with a PhD in neurology, Misder, Advocate for the rights of adopted and foster children, A Killer Cuppa Tea, there is nothing to say about him he is perfectly average and unremarkable, Decondou, Owner of a large law firm and graduate of Harvard Law School, Probulus Second Coming of Jesus, but his mortal parents died before they could tell him, and God took a century vacation. Snarfs, French Billionaire who made his fortune in the coal industry, Jackal, Writer of murder mystery novels living in London, Paris, rtgICEMAN, Richest man in the universe after his invention of a new computer company that combined the best qualities of Apple and PC, Pandain, Famous gay douchebag Bluelightz, Eccentric microchip pioneer who named himself bluelightz after a near death experience where he saw a blue light, and not rgTheSchworz With all of these people, he hoped to have the summer of a lifetime! All of them were very excited, for Monsieur Dragoné was very famous and being invited to his residency was of the highest honors. That is, until, they arrived in a heap of confusion to find Monsieur Dragoné no where to be found. He was about to play the game of a life time. It is Day 1. You may now begin. | ||
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Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored. + Show Spoiler + On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside. | ||
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I'm most suspicious of The_Toast. Contrary to his last game as town, (filter HERE) he is much more taciturn this game. Compare that with his current posts. All hes done is agree with what others said, and justify his own views(almost guiltily/apolegtic.) Pandain's point is valid none-the-less. We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say. I would say why don't we wait for a few hours and see if we actually have any lurkers. And obvious scum should still be lynched first day one, if there are really no good candidates I would say then we should consider lynching a lurker. But in that case the lurker would be the best candidate, so I still say lynches need to be based on good analysis. generic, "pro town" advice.I reiterate: silly lynch rules really only benefit scum. Logical analysis first please. wasn't trying to specifically call you out. See the first word in that bolded sentence? "WE" As in ALL of us, together, need to avoid getting side tracked. I'm also unsure how you get me accusing you of "spamming" from me saying we need to avoid getting side tracked. And to be fair, you did start a side conversation with Misder. I don't know that constitutes "spamming", but it's not going to lead to posts that can provide good analysis one way or the other. Just saying. I wasn't trying to say you were spamming, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. Pandain made a point about avoiding outside conversation in the thread, I agreed with that point. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. So no, I don't have a problem with it. And you're right, I do try to think logically. As such I don't think two posts by themselves are enough to prove anyone as scum. #vote the Toast | ||
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Given that I don't think mafia would ever have the balls to fake claim blue day 1, I'm going to have to go with townie/blue. Speaking of which, if theres a watcher out there watch RG because mafia are going to try to kill him unless we have someone watching him. AKCT hasn't done anything scummy. At least not anything that we can pinpoint definitively too. Right now your just clouded by the fact they both accused you, and you probably think anyone who supports you is town to. That's a dangerous, oftentimes wrong assumption to make. The_Toast, to the best of day1 analysis can go, is our best bet for right now. | ||
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On March 02 2012 08:49 Probulous wrote: I agree on RG. If you have courage take a look at Arkham City (Adam rolls his eyes). He claimed everything under the sun and looked scummy as hell but ended up being a regular vet. The fact that he put together an atrocious case on me and called it so makes him pretty much town in my eyes. Weird play but produced some interesting results. Tea however jumped at the opportunity to call me scum when everyone else who pushed me, never did. RG clearly didn't believe I was scum or he would have pushed much harder but tea sheeps. Then he tries to explain his sheep with the worst possible logic available. He could be townie who doesn't know what is going on, but if that is the case why jump at me? He wants to look like he is contributing when he isn't. I am fully aware that townies will target other townies. That happens all the time, that is why people's motivations for posting are important. From what I have seen from Tea he wants to look like he is contributing without contributing. Hence my suspicion. The fact that it was me is irrelevant. AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia). Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere. Toast's latest response is more interesting actually.... On March 02 2012 08:55 TheToast wrote: Let me get this straight. You think I'm scum because I'm being too nice? Based on what, the one* other game of mafia I've played? Well then, why don't you take a closer look at that game, you might see that I didn't post any serious analysis or votes until like 24 hours into the game. I prefer to wait until there is a good amount of evidence before making any votes or claims. And why does agreeing with you contribute to my scumminess? Are you now suddenly in favor of conversations that side track the game? Or just in favor of lynching people who agree with you about avoiding conversations that side track the thread? I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided. Pandain right now you have 4 posts in this game. You called out Probulous with some vague accusations: Then after both probe and sandroba call you out on this, you've very next post is--not responding to either of these--but rather to come out claiming Probulous is town--without a single shred of evidence or analysis--and claiming that I am scum based on scant evidence. Then post #4, have you addressed probe or sandroba's accusations? Nope. You tell Probe (who again, has not mysteriously become townish) that his vote on AKCoT is bad and that tunneling me is the best bet. Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself. Contrast this tone with the others. Looks like hes trying hard to make a good point(with italics + bolding and shit). Not only that but while writing this post he researched other players(shown by his accusations of me, saying how I had 4 posts, noting my play). His accusations of me mean that he could either be a trigger-happy townie, or that he's trying to downplay me. I can't determine anything out of that, actually it sort of helps his case. This part is quite interesting though: I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided. I'm interested what you meant by that, Toast. Why would you defending me lend you any town support? How would you know if I'm town? By far though the most compelling and persuasive argument against him is the fact that he accused me, rather certainly in his opinion, that i was "desperately trying to hide something", and that I'm playing scummily. And yet overall, I'm not a good enough vote? Seems a bit of a paradox there. | ||
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Can you explain why you don't view Toast as scum? You gave a vague reason but I'm sure you have more. | ||
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On March 03 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: Current Vote Count: Paindain -1 Sandroba TheToast - 1 Paindain ... | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote: Well for one he has been pretty consistent. Then he got indignant when I was needling him. I admit that my reading of his accusation was weak, I was really just seeking clarity around what he meant by "sidetracked" but he got flustered. To me this reads like someone trying to avoid a stupid argument. Given that was what he was trying to do from the start, it looks townie. Finally his response to your case is clear frustation. He isn't scared or submissive but rather frustrated that he can't seem to establish his innocence. It would have been much easier for him to target someone else but instead he attempts to clarify his position. His point about you quoting me looks like sarcasm. All in all it doesn't read as scum to me. He was consistent because he had to explain himself. All the posts were related to you calling him out(unjustly). And just because he's consistent doesn't mean he's not scum. I look at all those posts in a different perspective. The apologetic mood(refer to Ver's analysis of Misder in "How to Improve", the strong reaction to being accused, and the lack of any contribution to town(all he's done is defend himself) is very suspicious to me. I feel the suspicions against Misder are weak. The real suspicious thing hes done is his latest post, where he just posted a list with no substance, but people seem to focus on his earlier posts, which took place at the very beginning of the game. I don't think there's a better case on Misder then there is Toast. | ||
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How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched. And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia. Misder's made one crappy post and now people are lynching him. And personally, there is more reason for the mafia to try to get better than for a bored townie. | ||
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Person A: Hey I think your hair is ugly! Person B: HEY! But ok I'll fix it. Person A: Ok Now your alright. Its counter productive. What's the point of accusing them if the goal is "to improve". We lynch scum, we don't lynch lurkers. | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:31 TheToast wrote: Are you trying to discourage me from arguing against you as scum? Sandro, you've got only got 12 posts this game, clearly you've been lurking. You've made only one piss poor attempt at analysis, every other post you have made so far has been a short bit of weird fluff. It's glaringly clear you're not a vanilla townie this game. Idk what you rolled, but SK makes the most sense to me right now. It explains the lurker, and explains the abundance of fluff--even scum would be attempting to steer the game in some direction. If you can come up with something that explains your behavior this game, I'm all ears. That's not "pointing out his posts are weird and lurky. " That's saying "no your analysis is shit." when Sandorba just made a one liner. The other game is just support. The main thing, regardless, is that you have played "guiltily" like mafia do, you have not contributed original thoughts, and your harsh reactions to weak accusations. That could be a thesis statement for an AP english essay. Think about that. | ||
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And Sandroba's were poor, yes. | ||
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The beginning: Played apologetically(note this is how Ver caught Misder in his guide ), played defensively, cautiously. This is what new mafia do. Note the stuff he's said, like "thats all i was saying" and the general "im sorry" mood. The middle: I post an analysis of him and he reacts STRONGLY. Despite not having actually contributed to the thread before or since , whenever he gets accused he happens to be passionate. More than that, notice that anytime hes accused he reacts. Like when Sandroba posted that one liner, or I quoted the vote thing(which wasn't even an accusation.) He treated it like one, because that was in his mindset. Mafia will be afraid of getting caught, so they view everything in perspective of making sure they appear town. Not only that, but his whole "damm pandain you have horrible arguments and are acting scum" and "but your still not good enough to vote" are pretty ironic considering the strength of his accusations of me. No one else is more suspicious. The votes on Misder are suspicious( no reason Jackal, poor reason Jackal, and then decondou is ok). Palmar is not a good vote. while he is definitely suspicious, we should not lynch a vet day 1 just because he hasn't played 100% pro townish. I think we need to examine him more later, when we have more evidence. I feel there's just not enough on him. | ||
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I was just seeing how he reacted :<. He was the second most suspicious person I had, so I just decided to pressure him a little. What he did was opposite of mafia. If he was mafia, he would have claimed to have a blue role, not a vanilla townie. Instead, he's been actively offering the right thing to do in his situation(if town): Lynch him, and then lynch me. If he's SK the situation is a little different, but still points to him as town. He's perfectly alright with being lynched( when he CAN'T as SK if he wants to live.) So basically now, in my opinion, AKCT is 100% town. + Show Spoiler + basically im not watcher/tracker unless im pulling epic mindfuck games | ||
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1. There is NO reason I would do this if mafia. Think of one. Please. Tell me. | ||
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There are a multidinous amount of reasons why he might want to ask: 1. If I was watcher, then I would know for certain whether only AKCT visted him. That would mean that indeed, he was scum. However, if I was tracker, then it meant that AKCT might've merely been vigi, medic, tracker, or watcher. 2. If he was watcher/tracker, then he would be able to infer whether I was fake claiming. After all, there was a reason why I left it ambiguous whether I "was" tracker or watcher. If I claimed one, the real one could've counterclaimed and I would've looked super scummy. At first reading his latest posts I was suspicious of Adam, and inclined to agree with you, but after looking at all his posts I feel he has been playing town like. He's probed people for knoweldge, questioned people when they did weird stuff, pushed people, and contributed overall. I don't feel theres enough evidence to justify a lynching of Adam. I am still going to push The_Toast. First, please reread all my prior evidence against him. Then note the fact that he ended up voting me TEN MINUTES before the lynch ended. There was NO WAY I was going to get lynched. Heck, he even accused me of trying to start a conspiracy to get Palmar lynched day2. Besides all the information I've presented to you previously, note the fact that he has not once posted since day1 has ended. He's not remarked on the two deaths, the hit of sandroba, my claim , and he's just preferred to lurk. He's had enough time to post, now its obvious that he merely doesn't want to. ##vote The_Toast | ||
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On March 05 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote: I noted Toast's crazy voting earlier. I am waiting for his explanation before I vote for him. The fact that he has been away for so long and that he said he was having ISP issues makes me think his absence is not just avoidance. There's no excuse. And he said he fixed the ISP issue. | ||
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On March 05 2012 10:46 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Nope, don't like Adam. You seemed to be setting yourself up for an "i told you so" moment when i flipped town/non-visiting, making you look townier at the end of it - knowledge that you would only have if you knew who really did make the kill, meaning you are either a Blue or Scum. I'm leaning towards the latter. ##Vote Adam4167 I really don't like the gambit @Pandain. If i was a blue role, you would have prolly gone through with the lynch on me, or given scum an easy target. In fact, with the revocation of your claim, the likelihood of you being scum does go up: this gambit could just as easily be a scum one to draw out a potential Blue claim. Not enough to vote you just yet - especially as i had a town read on you beforehand - but i'm certainly gonna be keeping an eye on you. Your not playing like a blue would, and irregardless the scenario of a blue visiting rg is a very unlikely one. Why would a medic protect a vig/townie. Why would a watcher/tracker visit him when he clearly did nothing. In fact the mafia hit was very weird/bad, but thats besides the point. If you had claimed blue, by far the more likely explanation is that your actually scum/sk trying to cover up your kill. And adam never set himself up to gain town cred, I don't know where that's coming from, if you could explain. | ||
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Town needs to make a stand. We need to lynch a scummy person, or at least pressure them heavily. The reasons against Adam are tenous. They involve accusations of blue fishing(which he done none), trying to set up for a later town cred (which he did not), and compromise both misinformation and poor reasoning. If your going to vote Decondou, you might as well look at far more suspicious people such as Jackal, or Palmar, both vets who have done close to none(jackal in particular.) Palmar seems at least somewhat contributory, leading a semi charge on Sandroba, but the fact of the matter is he never really took charge like a vet should. We have 24 hours to go. We have a day to decide who we lynch. The time is now to lynch the Toast. The time is now to make a stand. Reference Guide 1. Jackal58-Uncertain- has done nothing to help town. But then again, I don't even know how people started to view him as a vet, as I will always remember him as the guy who never contributed(regardless of alignment), tunneled, and made this post. I would suggest a tracker track him. 2. Paperscraps: Town: Keeps tunneling but no one supports him( LOL.) Makes me believe he's just a misguided town, and mafia hasn't helped him at all. And mafia wouldn't keep pushing the same person again and again and again. SK wouldn't be that active. 3. Bluelightz- scum. Has contributed but hasn't contributed in content. But he keeps posting but alot of it is spam. he's made lists without good reasons, bandwagoned on AKCT when he said he was going to wait. In his list he said Jackal was most suspicious but in the end he voted RG because " he was most likely of being scum. I heavily urge people to view this post . Note how uncertain, and lack of actual accusation, he puts against RG, but then he votes him. Super suspicious. 4. Probulous - town: Contributing greatly, pushing people, making town active. Posts when no one else does and conversation is dying. 5. Snarfs - town. First game I believe, and he's done fine. would like to see a bit more but he contributes, makes good reasoning, and votes for good reasons. 8. Pandain- Town. I honestly feel like this main is the greatest person I've ever met, and he's contributed so much with great reasoning, and made an awesome ploy to figure out AKCT as town. 9. Palmar- Uncertain Claimed Vanillia townie when actutually the role is called townie, but that's less powerful evidence. Has been a dick but that's about it. Posted alot but never any long posts, but he's given reasons. I don't know. 10. Sandroba-Uncertain. He got hit, but I could easily see mafia/sk just aiming for a blue and end up hitting sk/mafia. Hasn't contributed greatly. 11. TheToast-scum, see prior posts 12. Adam4167- town, see prior posts 13. A Killer Cuppa Tea- town, see prior posts. 14. deconduo Mostly Town Has posted alot and given reasons, with long posts. Never has helped try to lead town/accusation, but has posted. Given he's a vet I would expect more but no reason to lynch him. | ||
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#unvote Toast #vote-blue lights | ||
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On March 06 2012 02:59 Palmar wrote: . No your just either a dick/stupid. I effectively confirmed (90%) AKCT as town, generated discussion when there wAs none, managed to see how people reacted to the claim, all In the course of 12 hours. Which is Alot more then anyone did/would've done. Your just blind to any idea which you didn't do.That's a dumb vote Toast. While Pandain's gambit was hilariously bad, I'd still bet on this being a town-pandain idea rather than scum Pandain. | ||
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On March 06 2012 07:52 deconduo wrote: I agree that he isn't scum, but he's almost certainly SK. We're better off lynching him now, rather than letting him get another shot off. That's the beauty behind this plan. You see, by having the tracker track him continously, we effectively negate any chance of him shooting anyone(because he would get caught.) In fact, it doesn't even matter if we have a tracker or not, the mere threat of being revealed(and he's alone so if he gets caught he loses), forces him to not shoot. The point I'm trying to make by saying we should lynch someone else, is that if we lynch sandroba we will have no more information, and no more reads on anyone(unless he flips town.) We all are 90-95% sure he's SK, the point is that he's now effectively out of the game and useless to us. Right now we should be focusing on lynching scum so we can have a chance to lynch scum and KEEP lynching scum, rather then wasting a day on someone who can't even hurt town(can't shoot.). If there's a flaw please tell me, but as of now I see no good reason to waste today on him when we could critically decide between blue lightz and toast. I would have agreed with you before Day 2. See the thing is, SK has 1kp per night. So where is the second night 2 hit? Sandro so far is the only one to have claimed vet and says he took the hit. Are we to assume he shot himself? I suppose there's a chance that both the SK and mafia hit RG, but that doesn't seem terribly likely. What? I don't get it. Theres a possibility that he's a vet and someone else is a SK. its not a good one but again, the point is that we not waste a lynch if we can force him to not shoot. | ||
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There is effectively no support for Sandroba. But again, this only indicates he's not scum, as they wouldn't just let him(and he wouldn't be so lethargic about getting lynched), die when theres a valid excuse. But I'm not even denying that Sandroba is probably scum. The key fact is that by lynching him we effectively waste a day to either confirm what we already assumed(he's SK), or the fact that he's a vet(in which case we just lynched a town woopdie doo). If we make him unable to shoot for fear of getting caught, then we don't even have to worry about him harming town. | ||
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1. By having tracker continuously track him, it wastes tracker time when he could be finding more scum(and tracker tracking new people is arguably more important then finding out more evidence). 2. Mafia KP is hidden, so the SK might not actually exist. | ||
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#vote Sandroba | ||
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But I guess it turns out that Sandroba is mafia, and not sk, so Toast was right there. Guess every once in a while conspiracies are right :p. No real point in addressing them, anyone who sees all my posts can see I'm clearly pro town. | ||
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I wouldn't change because of Toast lol. | ||
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Poll: ♦♣◘7○♠☻)♥ omg i can vote (3) 2 (1) 1 (0) 3 (0) 4 total votes Your vote: ♦♣◘7○♠☻)♥ | ||
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Do you think that's a valid question Probulous? Do you honestly think I would scumslip? you see, until you start making sense rgTS, I don't value your opinions. I think that analysis is surprisingly bad deconduo. Why is it so bad? Can you explain that to me? . For example, you're being massively dumb and saying LAL is stupid when it isn't (I'm not going to argue this, I'm right). No clue about the rest really. Toast and Pandain and anyone else I might be forgetting, but if I forget you it's because your content has been worthless so far. So take it as an insult please. Cause I want to lynch sandroba you dumbass. Don't be thick. are you dumb? do you need obvious information spoonfed to you? how the fuck would I know jackal? What I'm pretty certain of is that he's not town. No let's lynch Deconduo for being an asshole to me when I'm right and he's wrong. Adam, why did you disagree with me? Do you think I'm dumb? and my favorite There is no sensible reason to disbelieve pandain's claim | ||
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On March 07 2012 08:35 Bluelightz wrote: @prob as soon as i can get on comp I'll reply to your case. Fucking hard to do it on an iPad. On March 02 2012 10:19 Bluelightz wrote: I could see Pandain as scum, I'll explain later, I can't explain now cuz I got school work tho.  On March 04 2012 10:15 Bluelightz wrote: I was sleeping bro, I'm gonna get on my comp first though to explain it. On March 05 2012 10:05 Bluelightz wrote: I'm here guys, but im at school so can't post most of what I want to post till maybe later. I'm gonna unvote AKCT for now. ##Unvote: A Killer Cuppa Tea On March 05 2012 12:35 Bluelightz wrote: Again no time  wil post in like 2 hours maybe. | ||
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On March 07 2012 09:31 Probulous wrote: I see you have a full grasp of the quoting function. Whilst this is a useful skill to have it would be more beneficial if you made a point. If this continues you will be guilty of spamming which is highly ironic given your first post. | ||
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bluelightz/adam/jackal one or more of them is mafia. | ||
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I don't believe Paperscraps. I feel people are beliving he is town merely because he claimed vig. Everyone seems to have forgotten this role.... On February 25 2012 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Vigilante: You are a Vigilante! Once per game, starting night 1, you may send in a night hit. This doesn't mean its scum, but it does make us remember that there are now three possibilities for Paperscraps to be: 1. Serial killer. 2. Mafia Vigilante 3. Vigilante Him claiming vigilante in no way makes him town. Rather, we must analyze two things in determining his alignment: 1. His reasoning/motivation behind shooting Jackal 2. His posts/votes this game(Normal Analysis) I'll be posting more once I make sense of everything..... | ||
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Jackal was an easy target. Never posted and hardly a contribution, and was a vet. And they would've known he was town. Of course mafia would point at him. Just because there's consistancy doesn't mean he's town..... you have to look at the whole portrait. Take for example, his reads. He was suspicious of decon, jackal, and toast. Toast I actually am learning towards town now given the huge contributions he's been doing lately, trying to figure stuff out. Decon I'm almost certain is town. And Jackal, as we all know now, is town. What has he done regarding the only confirmed mafia(sandroba) + Show Spoiler + Sandroba will by far be the easy lynch tomorrow and maybe rightly so. Posts one line content and filler. I don't agree with Sandroba's read on TheToast as of now. TheToast is null to me at the moment. I feel as though Sandroba might be too easy of a lynch. If Sandroba is mafia, then why lurk and post crap and be sure to get lynched. Does Sandroba just not care about the game? Maybe just a bored vanilla townie? Before the night ends, he states hish reasons against voting sandroba because "he's too easy." To be fair, When Sandroba claims, this is what he describes. Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit. However later he would backtrack, saying that we should not lynch him because he claimed............vet.(yeah, vet). Deconduo, TheToast, and Jackal are all better lynches. I don't know if we should lynch Sandroba yet, due to the hit claim. Sandroba is on ice though and needs to start contributing as do a lot of other players. After Sandroba basically gave up, Paper finally votes against him. On March 06 2012 05:02 Paperscraps wrote: If you aren't even going to try, then you are going to get lynched. ##Unvote ##Vote Sandroba Side note: TheToast is scum. Then we have this suspicious post. On March 06 2012 09:22 Paperscraps wrote: Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all. This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy. Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here. Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting. ##Unvote ##Vote: Deconduo Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet. Read this post, over and over. There are many things that feel wrong in this post. From the "inb4 you guys call me scum" to the "going to change my vote anyways , this post just is oddly timed. Then he posts this, which is his longest post, and coincidentally because he was accused of being scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=62048¤tpage=2 Note in this post he says he asked rg who he was going to shoot because "he wanted to play along." No , that's a horrible excuse. I can't even explain why its so wrong, just read it and realize why that 1. Isn't how you would do it. 2. Hurts town if he does say who he's going to shoot 3. is a anti town question in general. Probulus, I feel that this is definitely a move to gain town cred. Whether he's mafia or SK I don't know yet, but I know that if I was mafia, I would pull off something like this. Think about it. You get to kill a townie and still "be town." What's there not good? Since we don't have a detective, its impossible to differentiate a mafia vig and a town vig. The only benefit it had, was, in fact, being able to say "oh im vig." I just don't feel like he would've shot jackal if he was town. Look at his posts. Before he was suspicious of Decondou. AFter he's suspicious of decondou. If he was more sure of Jackal then decondou(to the point where he would shoot him), he would've actually led a real charge on him. He changes his stories regarding why he shot him, going from "yeah I wasn't certain of decon, jackal seemed scummy" to I shot Jackal over Decon, because I had doubts about Decon being scum and didn't have doubts about Jackal In General: 1. Fosed the same people (decondou, toast, jackal.) who i believe are town. 2. Resisted the Sandroba lynch, voted him only when he gave up, and even back tracked after. 3. Questionable shooting and dubious reasoning. I feel that definitely #2 is the weakest. But its evidence that he could, indeed, be mafia. The point I'm trying to make, is basically that mafia WOULD possibly do this because they had just lost sandroba, and given the lack of any vets besides me and decon, they're probably also doing dumb/risky stuff now too. Shooting Jackal as we all see clearly was a good move, as most of you believe him >.> I personally believe that he is the SK. I feel like this would be the right way for an SK to try and gain town cred; presenting himself as a vig. Also remember that Sandroba, mafia, got hit. As I highly doubt he would just randomly claim, this provides evidence for the fact that he must've gotten hit by either an SK or vig. Given the fact that no vig has claimed shooting him, there must be an sk. Who do you guys think it is ? | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Player List: 1. 2. Paperscraps 3. Bluelightz- 4. Probulous 5. Snarfs 6. 7. 8. Pandain 9. 10. 11. TheToast 12. Adam4167 13. A Killer Cuppa Tea 14. deconduo Basically my suspicions go like this: Paper, Adam, bluelightz+ akct. | ||
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If mafia fake it, their goal is to use it to gain town cred. Sandroba didn't do it. The point I'm trying to make about him FOS (i believe) town people, is the fact that hes STILL going against them. This very day he's gone against toast, decondou,and he shot jackal the night before! He defended sandroba, and you say that his reaosning for shooting jackal doesn't tell us anything about his alignment, but it does. If his case was that "Inherently weak" he wouldn't have fricking SHOT him. Previous posts all suggested him feeling confident about toast being scum, why not shoot him? The point of the matter is that he's had dubious reasoning, and changed how he's said he's doing stuff. And I didn't notice the "Only 1 guy died", but that is damning also. The case is better , far better , then Adam, that's why I'm voting him. We can lynch Adam tommorow. | ||
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If we have a medic, protect decondou or me. | ||
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ACKT is scum, bluelightz might be. | ||
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Oh my god........ I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue. | ||
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On March 10 2012 08:46 Paperscraps wrote: Because you won't even consider the fact I could be vig, so obviously you know something everyone else doesnt or you are scum. See this is why I don't trust you. Instead of saying "so you must be wrong," you say "you know something town doesn't!" .................................... | ||
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Also it pointed to the fact that you guys should just listen to what I say. | ||
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he creates masterpieces.... | ||
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I was sure you were scum(like 100%) but then you started super contributing so I was unsure. | ||
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I don't know if I've ever played a game where I got lynched(unless rolechecked), and I've played like 10. | ||
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