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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 09 2012 04:20 GMT
#721
Pandain, why are you so sure deconduo is town?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#722
And I'm asking your honest opinion here, not some sort of I'm going to try to trick you into saying something stupid.

Why is decon town in your eyes? I don't see what makes him so town that you would suggest saving him tonight.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 04:28 GMT
#723
On March 05 2012 00:57 deconduo wrote:
What is the mafia KP formula?
Did anyone take a hit last night? If not, its not unreasonable to think that rg was hit twice. I highly doubt that the anti-town KP is only 1. While mafia doublestacking RG is unlikely, its possible both SK and mafia went after him independently. However until I hear ACKT come up with an explanation,
##Vote A Killer Cup of Tea


Snarfs

This looks like a townie post given sandroba flipped scum and claimed a hit. It would be weird for mafia to publicly ask about how their kill points are calculated. Plus he is making it clear that RG could have been stacked which if he new sandroba had gotten shot (assuming he did) would make no sense. It's WIFOM but it reads as town to me. Do you think he is scum?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 04:31 GMT
#724
I agree that his choice of decon as a target to be saved is odd to say the least. I agree with Paper that you should be at the top of that list or at least above decon. Whilst decon hasn't done anything scummy in my eyes, he hasn't done anything really townie either. Of course saving me is the best thing that a medic can do but everyone says that
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
March 09 2012 04:41 GMT
#725
Ahh that makes a lot of sense. Thanks man.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 04:55 GMT
#726
Bare in mind it doesn't confirm him but it certainly looks town. Go to go, work is ending soon. I might pop in later otherwise it will be tomorrow for me.

Cheers!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 09 2012 10:15 GMT
#727
Posting from my phone

I am currently in hospital with a mild concussion. Docs say they have to keep me here for a while. Again no access to a comp. I haven't reread anything since my last post, but I swear the world is out to prevent me from doing anything productive in this game >_<. They should hopefully release me later tonight - they said 12-24 hours unless complications - and HOPEFULLY I'll finally be able to actually do something.

It's just sods law isn't it >_>
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 10:46 GMT
#728
Well that is certainly new He he that might explain your vote! Get better matey and we can chat tomorrow.

Post from phone
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 09 2012 11:18 GMT
#729
Any medic that isn't on probulous is an idiot.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
March 09 2012 11:54 GMT
#730
I don't even know what to post right now but im gonna post also @AKCT
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
March 09 2012 17:24 GMT
#731
On March 09 2012 13:20 Snarfs wrote:
Pandain, why are you so sure deconduo is town?


I'm wondering about Pandain's comments myself.. Decondou's posting all game has been reletively solid and townish, so why has Pandain suddenly focused on him now? Look at these quotes from Pandain:

Decondou I think your town and value your opinion, what do you make of paperscraps claim?


If we have a medic, protect decondou or me.


If me and decondou were scum we would've won by now.


This last one is the most bizzaire. I would point out that with 2kp potential per day/night (lynch and kill) and assuming between 10-12 non mafia, it's not even theoretically possible for scum to have won by now. Either way, all these quotes are really over the top. It almost seems like Pandain is trying really hard to set him self up for something, whether that's a blue claim (a fake blue claim) or maybe a vig hit? He was really adament in arguing that Paper was the mafia vig and not town. What if Pandain is really the mafia vig and is trying to set himself up for a blue claim? (again)

Idk, I can't really make sense of all this. But either way Pandain's posting is shady as hell.




On March 09 2012 20:54 Bluelightz wrote:
I don't even know what to post right now but im gonna post also @AKCT


wut.

So you are just admitting now that you plan to spam the thread with pointless posts.

.... excuse me for a moment...

*Slams head on desk*
*Slams head on desk*
*Slams head on desk*

I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 09 2012 22:03 GMT
#732
I have a problem with Pandain's play. He is sure there is a an SK. It is either AKCT or I. There are a few ways to be sure on this:

1. Pandain is a vet and didn't claim hit.
2. Pandain is a medic either blue or red.
3. Pandain was hit and saved by a medic. ( Not sure if you are notified if you are hit)
4. Pandain is a vig. This one is tricky, if he is a blue vig, then he might assume there wouldn't be another in the setup. I would agree with that. If he is a red vig, then he is trying to set something up as TheToast pointed out.

I have been pretty transparent the latter half of this game. So I am not sure how anyone thinks I am scum. Yes I claimed horribly and will not do that again, but I have posted my views and admitted to my mistakes. Pandain and Deconduo to a lesser extent thinking I am the scummiest person in the whole game, doesn't that strike anyone as odd?

AKCT being SK or scum makes sense, but he is in the hospital. I don't know what the protocol is for pressuring him or what not since he cannot defend himself.

Deconduo has come to the conclusion that I have to be SK. Why do people think this guy is town again? His play is VERY reactionary. He hasn't scum hunted. Pandain who is supposedly a good player thinks he is town, which really bugs me. Deconduo has hardly interacted with anybody else in the thread.

If you guys need me to make a huge analytic post on why Deconduo is scum, then I will. Just read his filter it is pretty apparent. I suggest reading Adam's thoughts on everyone as well, since he flipped town.

I wonder what people are going to say if there is only 1 kill tonight? (inb4 SK no killed, herd derp herp)

I want to think Pandain is town right now, but his cockiness and read on me are throwing me off. Not sure what to think.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 09 2012 22:04 GMT
#733
On March 09 2012 20:18 deconduo wrote:
Any medic that isn't on probulous is an idiot.


If we do have a medic, he should WIFOM between Probu and Snarfs.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 09 2012 23:15 GMT
#734
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.

Oh my god........


I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 09 2012 23:46 GMT
#735
On March 10 2012 08:15 Pandain wrote:
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.

Oh my god........


I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.


Because you won't even consider the fact I could be vig, so obviously you know something everyone else doesnt or you are scum.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 23:50 GMT
#736
On March 10 2012 08:15 Pandain wrote:
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.
Oh my god........
I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.

That's patently untrue. Yes you pushed for a Paperscraps lynch but you never defended Adam. When I asked you outright whether you were still suspicious of Adam, you wrote (linky)
On March 09 2012 08:42 Pandain wrote:
Theres no one else besides Adam really.
...
Basically my suspicions go like this:
Paper, Adam, bluelightz+ akct.

This post (linky) where you make your case against Paper has only this to say about Adam.
On March 09 2012 11:04 Pandain wrote:
The case is better , far better , then Adam, that's why I'm voting him.
We can lynch Adam tommorow.

So no, you were not pushing against an Adam lynch. You don't get credit for trying to save him because you obviously thought he was scum. As far as I can see the only one who does get some credit is bluelightz.

Decon what are your thoughts on Pandain?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 09 2012 23:53 GMT
#737
On March 10 2012 08:46 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 08:15 Pandain wrote:
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.
Oh my god........
I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.


Because you won't even consider the fact I could be vig, so obviously you know something everyone else doesnt or you are scum.


That only makes sense if you are not a Vig I agree that it makes sense for scum to think you are not a Vig but what could he possibly know that makes you not a Vig? Either you are a Vig in which he "knows" nothing or you are lying.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 09 2012 23:53 GMT
#738
On March 10 2012 08:46 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 08:15 Pandain wrote:
I'm the only guy who pushes against lynching adam, and you guys suspect me more.

Oh my god........


I don't even know how paper scraps thinks that I have to be blue.


Because you won't even consider the fact I could be vig, so obviously you know something everyone else doesnt or you are scum.


See this is why I don't trust you.

Instead of saying "so you must be wrong," you say "you know something town doesn't!"

....................................
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
March 09 2012 23:55 GMT
#739
And notice how I didn't say defending Adam, I said I was pushing against a lynch. If mafia have a medic, then we(assuming 2 left), would have preffered to lynch a town and just take the 1% chance SK shoots us and he hadn't been protected.

Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 10 2012 00:05 GMT
#740
On March 10 2012 08:55 Pandain wrote:
And notice how I didn't say defending Adam, I said I was pushing against a lynch. If mafia have a medic, then we(assuming 2 left), would have preffered to lynch a town and just take the 1% chance SK shoots us and he hadn't been protected.

You're going to have to explain that some more. It doesn't make sense to me.

Back to your original post, if you were not defending Adam why should you be less suspicious for pushing a Paperscraps lynch? It's a well known tactic of scum to push and alternate lynch when the main one is town. See that post looks like someone trying to point out how they were right and we should listen to you know. Can you explain your indignation? I think it is right that everyone gets a look over.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
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