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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 05 2012 05:46 sandroba wrote: I got hit last night btw. This adds more evidence for a SK. Unless there is a really trigger happy Vig. I doubt our vigs (if we have any) would shoot night 1. Mafia shooting (they could have a vig) you makes little to no sense, you were the highest (tied) voted for person on day 1, you were always going to be under suspicion today. I'm not sure what else to draw from this. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On March 05 2012 04:57 Jackal58 wrote: Adam are you going to do anything other than defend Sandroba, fish for blues and call me out for my disbelief in Misder being lynched by 3 people? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=192320 Adam is scum. Don't forget attack Palmar, I've done plenty of that as well. How does any of that make me scum and only scum? You are assuming Sandroba's guilt from his lack of effort (something BOTH of you were doing) and then inferring my guilt from that. I never fished for blue roles. Pandain claimed a blue role, I wanted clarification as to which one he was claiming, so I could better assess the situation which we were faced with. And I am entirely justified in calling you out for doing NOTHING all of day 1 and then insulting the entire town when you are not happy with the result. None of those things make me scum. Your case is shit. + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2012 07:13 Probulous wrote: I leave the thread for a while and this happens! Nice ploy Pandain, I agree AKCT gets town for his response. This I find strange I was very surprised. Rg basically claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran. Here is something I wrote and was keeping for when his claims became useful. Claims to be able to half sandrobas chance of surviving night -> Vig/SK Repeat of above -> Vig/SK Claims not to be SK -> Vig Therefore is either a Vig or a Veteran trying to get shot in a really stupid way (again). The he says So just from reading his filter his claims don't make sense. Strange hit for me. I guess I was wrong about his attempts to get shot being stupid but that just says mafia aren't reading filters properly. This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here: On March 03 2012 20:42 Probulous wrote: RG stop playing the idiot. No-one believes the 1001 things you have claimed. Going to bed now. Thoughts in the morning. Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing. On March 05 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote: What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter. Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information. It is a scummy scummy question. ##vote Adam4167 The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming. "As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig. It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it. | ||
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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
On March 05 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote: What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter. Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information. It is a scummy scummy question. ##vote Adam4167 Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not. No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum. On March 05 2012 07:40 deconduo wrote: You do realise this doesn't work. The ploy tells us nothing about his alignment except that he probably didn't kill RG. Unless he actually did visit rg last night, he would know you are lying. All you've done is waste a day. ##Unvote Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this. ##Vote: Deconduo | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote: Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit. Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not. No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum. Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this. ##Vote: Deconduo Hi again mister tunnel. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:30 Adam4167 wrote: This is just spam, Probulous. I was not surprised at all that he flipped townie, nor was I surprised that he was lying all game. You didn't even believe all of his claims, you said as much here: Well I gues that is a misunderstanding of what you were surprised at, I read it as you were not surprised he was shot. Your post doesn't even make sense, you start by stating that he claimed Vanilla Townie or possibly Veteran, then somehow finish that he's possibly a Vig or Veteran. What was the point of even posting that wall of text? It contributes nothing. There was no way he was going to be a vig, he even stated so in the last thing I quoted. His claims made no sense so to me it is surprising he was shot. I read your post as not finding this surprising. The answer to that question provides nothing to town. It provides information to me. I ask because I wanted to know what Pandain was claiming to get a better grasp on if he was fake-claiming. How? I don't see how you could know Pandain was fakeclaiming unless you knew shot RG. You also seem to be claiming you are not town but I'll take that as a heat of the moment thing. "As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter", No, you didn't. You finished with the conclusion that he was a Veteran or a Vig. It is not a scummy question. Why aren't you calling me scum? You're implying it, but you aren't saying it. My vote makes it clear I think you are scum. If it makes you feel better, here how about this. Adam4167 is scum. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote: Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not. No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum. Why would you ask that question? The answer provides nothing to town. So Pandain watched him, what difference does it make? That information is useless to everyone except mafia. The useful information was that AKCT visited RG. I don't know if you just don't understand what I was explaining or whether you just don't believe it. If you need clarification of my point, just ask. | ||
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Paperscraps
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
If Adam is mafia If Adam is mafia he knows that AKCT didn't shoot RG. When Pandain claims that AKCT visited RG he knows that either Pandain was tracking AKCT or he was watching RG. If Pandain was watching RG then he knows that Pandain is lying. He also knows that Pandain knows who shot RG. Thus the best play is to counterclaim. Now, there is no point claiming until you know that Pandain was watching RG. Hence the question. It solidifies the best play for mafia. If Adam is town Pandain says AKCT visited RG who died over night. Therefore AKCT is likely to be the shooter. Pandain has already made his suspicion of AKCT clear thus there is no reason to believe he was more likely to watch RG over tracking ACKT. If Pandain had claimed tracker, does that make his claim invalid? The answer to the question provides nothing useful. I hope this is clear to people. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
There are a multidinous amount of reasons why he might want to ask: 1. If I was watcher, then I would know for certain whether only AKCT visted him. That would mean that indeed, he was scum. However, if I was tracker, then it meant that AKCT might've merely been vigi, medic, tracker, or watcher. 2. If he was watcher/tracker, then he would be able to infer whether I was fake claiming. After all, there was a reason why I left it ambiguous whether I "was" tracker or watcher. If I claimed one, the real one could've counterclaimed and I would've looked super scummy. At first reading his latest posts I was suspicious of Adam, and inclined to agree with you, but after looking at all his posts I feel he has been playing town like. He's probed people for knoweldge, questioned people when they did weird stuff, pushed people, and contributed overall. I don't feel theres enough evidence to justify a lynching of Adam. I am still going to push The_Toast. First, please reread all my prior evidence against him. Then note the fact that he ended up voting me TEN MINUTES before the lynch ended. There was NO WAY I was going to get lynched. Heck, he even accused me of trying to start a conspiracy to get Palmar lynched day2. Besides all the information I've presented to you previously, note the fact that he has not once posted since day1 has ended. He's not remarked on the two deaths, the hit of sandroba, my claim , and he's just preferred to lurk. He's had enough time to post, now its obvious that he merely doesn't want to. ##vote The_Toast | ||
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Probulous
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
I'm gonna unvote AKCT for now. ##Unvote: A Killer Cuppa Tea | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 05 2012 09:58 Probulous wrote: I noted Toast's crazy voting earlier. I am waiting for his explanation before I vote for him. The fact that he has been away for so long and that he said he was having ISP issues makes me think his absence is not just avoidance. There's no excuse. And he said he fixed the ISP issue. | ||
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A Killer Cuppa Tea
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##Vote Adam4167 I really don't like the gambit @Pandain. If i was a blue role, you would have prolly gone through with the lynch on me, or given scum an easy target. In fact, with the revocation of your claim, the likelihood of you being scum does go up: this gambit could just as easily be a scum one to draw out a potential Blue claim. Not enough to vote you just yet - especially as i had a town read on you beforehand - but i'm certainly gonna be keeping an eye on you. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 05 2012 10:46 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Nope, don't like Adam. You seemed to be setting yourself up for an "i told you so" moment when i flipped town/non-visiting, making you look townier at the end of it - knowledge that you would only have if you knew who really did make the kill, meaning you are either a Blue or Scum. I'm leaning towards the latter. ##Vote Adam4167 I really don't like the gambit @Pandain. If i was a blue role, you would have prolly gone through with the lynch on me, or given scum an easy target. In fact, with the revocation of your claim, the likelihood of you being scum does go up: this gambit could just as easily be a scum one to draw out a potential Blue claim. Not enough to vote you just yet - especially as i had a town read on you beforehand - but i'm certainly gonna be keeping an eye on you. Your not playing like a blue would, and irregardless the scenario of a blue visiting rg is a very unlikely one. Why would a medic protect a vig/townie. Why would a watcher/tracker visit him when he clearly did nothing. In fact the mafia hit was very weird/bad, but thats besides the point. If you had claimed blue, by far the more likely explanation is that your actually scum/sk trying to cover up your kill. And adam never set himself up to gain town cred, I don't know where that's coming from, if you could explain. | ||
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Jackal58
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Probulous
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Mattchew
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Town needs to make a stand. We need to lynch a scummy person, or at least pressure them heavily. The reasons against Adam are tenous. They involve accusations of blue fishing(which he done none), trying to set up for a later town cred (which he did not), and compromise both misinformation and poor reasoning. If your going to vote Decondou, you might as well look at far more suspicious people such as Jackal, or Palmar, both vets who have done close to none(jackal in particular.) Palmar seems at least somewhat contributory, leading a semi charge on Sandroba, but the fact of the matter is he never really took charge like a vet should. We have 24 hours to go. We have a day to decide who we lynch. The time is now to lynch the Toast. The time is now to make a stand. Reference Guide 1. Jackal58-Uncertain- has done nothing to help town. But then again, I don't even know how people started to view him as a vet, as I will always remember him as the guy who never contributed(regardless of alignment), tunneled, and made this post. I would suggest a tracker track him. 2. Paperscraps: Town: Keeps tunneling but no one supports him( LOL.) Makes me believe he's just a misguided town, and mafia hasn't helped him at all. And mafia wouldn't keep pushing the same person again and again and again. SK wouldn't be that active. 3. Bluelightz- scum. Has contributed but hasn't contributed in content. But he keeps posting but alot of it is spam. he's made lists without good reasons, bandwagoned on AKCT when he said he was going to wait. In his list he said Jackal was most suspicious but in the end he voted RG because " he was most likely of being scum. I heavily urge people to view this post . Note how uncertain, and lack of actual accusation, he puts against RG, but then he votes him. Super suspicious. 4. Probulous - town: Contributing greatly, pushing people, making town active. Posts when no one else does and conversation is dying. 5. Snarfs - town. First game I believe, and he's done fine. would like to see a bit more but he contributes, makes good reasoning, and votes for good reasons. 8. Pandain- Town. I honestly feel like this main is the greatest person I've ever met, and he's contributed so much with great reasoning, and made an awesome ploy to figure out AKCT as town. 9. Palmar- Uncertain Claimed Vanillia townie when actutually the role is called townie, but that's less powerful evidence. Has been a dick but that's about it. Posted alot but never any long posts, but he's given reasons. I don't know. 10. Sandroba-Uncertain. He got hit, but I could easily see mafia/sk just aiming for a blue and end up hitting sk/mafia. Hasn't contributed greatly. 11. TheToast-scum, see prior posts 12. Adam4167- town, see prior posts 13. A Killer Cuppa Tea- town, see prior posts. 14. deconduo Mostly Town Has posted alot and given reasons, with long posts. Never has helped try to lead town/accusation, but has posted. Given he's a vet I would expect more but no reason to lynch him. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
#unvote Toast #vote-blue lights | ||
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