Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II - Page 2

On March 05 2012 04:57 Jackal58 wrote:

Speculation does nothing for us. rg was one of the most active voices day 1.

Activity level in this game is amazingly low. I know my level is as bad or worse than anybodies. Prior commitments are now out of the way.

Adam are you going to do anything other than defend Sandroba, fish for blues and call me out for my disbelief in Misder being lynched by 3 people?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315210&user=192320

Adam is scum.

On March 05 2012 06:12 Pandain wrote:
AKCT is town.
I was just seeing how he reacted :<.

He was the second most suspicious person I had, so I just decided to pressure him a little. What he did was opposite of mafia. If he was mafia, he would have claimed to have a blue role, not a vanilla townie. Instead, he's been actively offering the right thing to do in his situation(if town): Lynch him, and then lynch me.

If he's SK the situation is a little different, but still points to him as town. He's perfectly alright with being lynched( when he CAN'T as SK if he wants to live.) So basically now, in my opinion, AKCT is 100% town.

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On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit.



Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not.

No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.




Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this.

##Vote: Deconduo

On March 05 2012 13:47 Probulous wrote:


I thought of this but this quote makes me less certain.


If he was SK he wouldn't be worried about getting shot. We haven't had a vig claim the shot so it could only have come from mafia which makes zero sense. Why target someone who was the leading vote getter the day before? No I think he was a saved by a medic. I agree with Paperscraps that a town medic saving Sandroba is just not credible. So we are left with veteran or mafia medic. He was under pressure and was worried about dying so a mafia medic protect makes sense. His way of claiming the shot doesn't ring Vet to me. Vets normally celebrate when they are shot.

On March 06 2012 07:43 Pandain wrote:
There's no reason to vote sandroba, he's not scum(no resistance at all)so that leaves either sk or town. Rather than vote him, we should merely track him. This will effectively negate any chance of him shooting again. I do believe he's sk but feel this is A better alternative as it encompasses all the reasons we would want to lynch sk without the risk of lynching town. We should use today instead as an opportunity to lynch scum.

On March 07 2012 20:08 Probulous wrote:
Decon do you think it likely we have both a watcher and a tracker? Seems a stretch to me but could be true. That would give us a watcher, tracker and medic(probably). If you're assuming a SK too that is a lot of power roles in such a small setup but I guess they are more weak than usual.

I agree that Paper's decision to shoot Jackal over you needs explaining. Makes sense from a mafia point of view to keep you around if they think they can lynch you. I still think Adam is a better bet for today's lynch.

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On March 08 2012 04:05 Paperscraps wrote:
Last night was the only time I shot. I find it surprising that people would think I am mafia/SK just blatantly announcing my kills all of a sudden, when mafia/SK tend to try and hide and blend. I guess that is WIFOM, but what benefits do I have in claiming I shot some one as mafia/SK? Don't give me some crap about how I could have been tracked or something. My claim wasn't a reaction to anyone calling me out. I claimed this way so that if I was tracked or something, the PR can stay hidden and not have to out their report.

On March 08 2012 06:06 Snarfs wrote:
decon, besides Paper, who else do you think could be SK?

On March 08 2012 03:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Note Decon's hesitance to vote Adam, after he calls him scum.

On March 08 2012 08:04 Probulous wrote:
If nothing else note his persistance in trying to clear his name. He is clearly frustrated but is putting in the effort to try and make his thinking clear. Compare that to Adam, who is apparently still too busy to participate. Decon I agree it would be nice to lower KP with a SK lynch but I don't believe that Paper is the SK (if we have one). We lynch Adam today.

On March 08 2012 09:27 Adam4167 wrote:
Trying to draw conclusions from a possible scum-team involving me will ultimately fail, because i am going to flip town in around 24 hours.

The assumption that anyone voting for someone you have a town read on must be scum, is just flat out stupid.

I don't hate paper for voting me, it was me or him when he did, so that's an obvious choice.

I suggest everyone take a hard look at AKCT, who's posted even less then bluelightz after being 'confirmed town'. He also claimed 'vanilla townie', which is inconsistent with the role in the OP 'townie'. Palmar did the same thing, he flipped blue, but I don't think AKCT will.

Snarfs, find me a mafia that actually admits he hasn't been contributing, and ill show you an idiot. Mafia deflect or misdirect. I do think Pandain is town hence why I didn't attack him. Why his read has shifted towards me, that is not something I can answer, you can ask him.

Deconduo, your 'case' against me is terrible. Its filled with confirmation bias. Palmar was the obvious choice to die on N2 since he was clearly town and probably not just a plain townie. Jackal's read is wrong, he clearly wasn't putting much into this game, why would you expect his read to be even close to right?

If we had a medic that wasn't on Palmar N2 after leading the sandroba lynch, then hes useless. I would go as far as to say you should lynch anyone that even claims medic for that. If there's a medic, its a Medic, because I really don't see a town medic being stupid enough to protect sandroba N1.

On March 08 2012 13:26 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late.

On March 08 2012 18:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm, I think that there is that chance of Adam is town......

On March 08 2012 18:19 Adam4167 wrote:


You're right and if you were scum, you'd be sailing me down the river right now. So I think you're town.

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On March 04 2012 20:33 Palmar wrote:
There is no sensible reason to disbelieve pandain's claim, so AKCT is going to have to claim. Now, he can't really claim medic because the chances of scum double stacking rgTS on night 1 seem very slim.

If he claims vig we lynch him, because that shot was beyond stupid.

so what's left are the tracker and the watcher. I just don't think we have multiple of those in such a small setup. He can't exactly claim watcher either because that way he'd know who visited rgTS, so I guess he's going to counterclaim tracker or something? Or try to make us believe we have more than one?

For this reason I am going to disbelieve any claim he claims. The only reasonable claim for him from a balance/viability standpoint i claiming watcher and point to a random townie and getting that player lynched, but in this case we lynch him anyway, and before we lynch the guy he points a finger at.

On March 07 2012 09:05 Palmar wrote:
I am a soft kitty

On March 07 2012 09:07 Palmar wrote:
sometimes I just wanna cuddle

On March 09 2012 06:16 Pandain wrote:
Before I go on, I want everyone to remember that this is the work of 24 hours of constant lurking, re reading, re-re reading, going through each filter again and again, rereading thread in entirety, and even night time pondering.

I don't believe Paperscraps. I feel people are beliving he is town merely because he claimed vig. Everyone seems to have forgotten this role....



This doesn't mean its scum, but it does make us remember that there are now three possibilities for Paperscraps to be:

1. Serial killer.
2. Mafia Vigilante
3. Vigilante

Him claiming vigilante in no way makes him town. Rather, we must analyze two things in determining his alignment:

1. His reasoning/motivation behind shooting Jackal
2. His posts/votes this game(Normal Analysis)

I'll be posting more once I make sense of everything.....

On March 09 2012 06:28 Pandain wrote:
Decondou I think your town and value your opinion, what do you make of paperscraps claim?

On March 10 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:

That's patently untrue. Yes you pushed for a Paperscraps lynch but you never defended Adam. When I asked you outright whether you were still suspicious of Adam, you wrote (linky)

This post (linky) where you make your case against Paper has only this to say about Adam.

So no, you were not pushing against an Adam lynch. You don't get credit for trying to save him because you obviously thought he was scum. As far as I can see the only one who does get some credit is bluelightz.

Decon what are your thoughts on Pandain?