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i plan on winning via an op amount of day vig shots. | ||
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Would be an awesome gambit to lurk as scum without knowing you are scum or even playing... Also, claiming town cop. | ||
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Regaurdless of my role and align, I will be claiming cop. I intend to do this to help whatever side I on win. Lord save me if Im 3rd party. | ||
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I hate elections. I ll check the rules later to see if Im required to vote. If so, I will vote for the best/worat person possble. Thats prolly bill m. | ||
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wtb vig shoot to use on day 1 | ||
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On February 25 2012 07:21 chaos13 wrote: You're using a joke style case to cover up wanting to lynch me for having a similar name as someone else. Scummy McScumster You've trigger my trap card bra. Only scum would do/say/think/feel/emote what you just did/said/thought/felt/......emitted. ggq, how active would you this game if mayor? every game i have played with you you were fairly to super inactive... would being mayor change that? | ||
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Thus, even a small nuclear device no larger than traditional bombs can devastate an entire city by blast, fire and radiation. I DONT WANT TO BE NEAR THAT. | ||
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Anukes are acunmy and scimy plays are fckibg had playzds | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:48 Jackal58 wrote: 2- I provided Toad with the means to belittle WBGs penis size in English. A task he was incapable of performing in his native language. I'll PM you if this is not sufficient you sperm burping road whore. 3 - I still have somebodies guts stuck on my boot. 6 - I'm Tim fucking Teebow. Seven - You're a virgin. Why go from 7 to Seven like that? Im married. Fuck all of you wiggers and bitches. As to that post about trolling. Check my filter. I am claiming town cop. I am 100% not trolling about that. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cS01v.jpg) omg | ||
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the end of today and start of tomorrow will really help us understand the pace and style of this game. Till then, i hope bush gets converted... to radio active vapor! | ||
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(in lylo especially) | ||
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that role is pro dumbness I wouldnt be opposed to lynching it especially day 1 if there isnt a lear person to send to thw gallows | ||
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I am going to a lan this weekend and Ive been training hard core (92 ladder games over 2 servers past 3 days + non ladder games). Ill try to make some posts tonight! | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:14 GGQ wrote: Yo, I've found us a scum to lynch today. I present to you all, vaderseven! Vaderseven is dazzlingly scummy this game. May I outline the three point plan to lynching him? 1) Vaderseven claims town cop. Who claims "town cop"? No one does, because cop is town. Vaderseven overcompensates for his knowledge of his own scummyness by including the redundant 'town'. Also claiming cop makes no sense for an actual town cop on day 1. Notice how he hasn't been killed yet. Surprise. 2) Vaderseven picks a random target for the day 1 lynch in WBG (who flipped town, as should note). He tunnels him without ever presenting a reason. He never bothers to explain himself. Scum trying to appear active with no actual contribution. 3) Finally vaderseven jumps on the easy lynch train of the survivor claim. Anything is better than lynching mafia, right, scummy? The reasons he gives for lynching the survivor are laughable, poorly thought out because he knows the lynch is not controversial at all. He just wants to appear to be doing something. TL;DR lynch vaderseven @ # 1 On February 24 2012 05:02 vaderseven wrote: PLEASE BE AWARE: Regaurdless of my role and align, I will be claiming cop. I intend to do this to help whatever side I on win. Lord save me if Im 3rd party. Thats from before the game started. I still 100% stand by my claim. I am a cop. Just because last game I spent tunneling you and I didn't really care about thinking too hard yet I scanned you (GGQ) last night and got the all caps result of NOT GODFATHER. Super useful I do think I might be being trolled a bit because of the fact that I made it clear that I would claim cop at the start of the game. @ # 2 ??? I hate day 1, I really hate elections, and I *REALLY* hate GWB. I didnt vote for the survivor guy because I realized his role isnt the usual pro-scum 3rd party and I haven't thought about his claim really yet. I'll try to read through the current day when I need a ladder break. Just popped in after work, saw the page count, and saw my name so was like ewww Im that inactive jerk. | ||
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On February 28 2012 13:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Checked ZephirDD and he is Not town. Plus This- On February 28 2012 20:09 Zephirdd wrote: Do you have any confirmation about your sanity? go ahead and lynch me to confirm your sanity tbh, but I'm 100% sure you're either paranoid, insane or simply scum. protip: I win with town. I don't know if that makes me "town" or "not town", but I win with town. Plus my result on GGQ of NOT GODFATHER- Makes me think that cops might be fucking worthless. If there is town roles littered around the game that are worded so they are basically a 3rd party that counts towards the count of town and wins with town then cop results will never reveal true 3rd parties. On February 28 2012 21:11 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Oh, another thing. I think that if my wincon gets frozen tomorrow (looks likely), it'll get frozen on town. In which case, scum beware, cos I'll have the tools at my disposal. Come at me scum. Come at me. Also, call me Tea  I really don't trust you bro. Games like this a role can almost be the last thing to look at to determine alignment and the like but your role... The more I think about it the more I think you are either a role that doesn't win with town or you are a normal survivor type and you are trying to play to the town as an ally so you can coast to an easy win. Why do you [ITALICS THAT SHIT] think [/ITALICS THAT SHIT] that your wincon gets frozen tomorrow? On February 28 2012 23:03 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: What's the point of cop sanity if you're Told what sanity you are?????? :s Just for reference ya that is the case 99% of the time but just the very last game I was in Lanaia was a town cop that was told night 1 what her sanity was. It was in the OP though that the cop was waiting on a sanity test result. Def the norm not to know though. About Sheth- My read on him is based 100% on the thread (no PMs have come from me or too me from anyone yet [feel free to change that yo!]) and it is that he is not lieing. The simple nature of this post: On February 29 2012 00:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote: As far as I know I'm sane. and all his posts day 1 asking to talk to people just fit really well with his actions. On February 29 2012 11:35 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Btw I really dislike whoever thiefed my role, why would you thief a DT? Anyway, I'm now vanilla. I imagine Zeph is 100% mafia now, and there somewhat afraid. Anyway a vote for Zeph is a vote for a happy town. That is not how I would imagine a gambit scum cop claim to work out. For clarity sake my role name is way more boring than sheth's and really makes me think the host read my post before the game start and gave me a role because of it, I am literally "cop." It looks like my action is to "target" one person each night and get told a "result." Zeph's OMGUS with the claimed theft of sheths role seems well bad to me lol. I don't see the logic that calmy and clearly points to a full reasonable conclusion. About me- Honestly the small wave of people saying lynch this guy or V7 seem to me to be either very uninterested minds or maybe even possible scum that are willing to lynch the guy a small case was made on and had claimed cop. I don't see anything I need to address beyond the post I already made about GGQ's case (feel free to PM me questions or post them in thread!). This is not town vaderseven. If he was town, he'd be all over my ass trying to turn this around on me. Instead he meekly tries to justify all his actions and back away from any commitments he appears to have made. Scummy scum scum. Thats 100% not my style. You are making up or confusing meta about me. Proof? Prior to this game, I was town in a game where Palmar threatened to shot me so I shot a lurker on day 1 cuz I was a jack and I was town in a game I replaced into (as a vig if that matters). You are either confusing me for someone else in another game or just trying to lead people on. Address this in your next post if you please. As of right now, I don't see a good case on anyone really. I think that acting on Sheth's claimed result is a coin flip because his sanity is 100% hidden at this point (with possible frame vs paranoid vs bus etc + role gone). I don't see a reason why anyone has to conclude that his result means one thing or another and I don't see why anyone has to say that he is lieing (yet). The best case lynch, I feel, is the claimed person who "sometimes" wins with scum. Is that nuke a for sure thing? Now if anyone wants to help me to understand things better and doesn't want to post in the thread you can find my PM box here on TL. | ||
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I think this is probably best. I realized that now even if he isn't lieing about how his win condition works he has def made a hugely pro scum move by saying that tomorrow I will be on a win condition with town. Scum can now use that when planning their end game and that gives scum a tool to control lylo... Unacceptable. | ||
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In 99% of mafia games a non sane fop has 0 knowledge of that fact. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:06 Liquid`Sheth wrote: There was nothing that talked about my sanity in my PM. What more do you want? I can't post my actual pm, and it doesn't say YOUR COMPLETELY SANE, but then again if it said that I'd be more worried then I am now. To be 100% clear, this means you dont know your sanity which is why i said it felt really coin flippy. | ||
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I guess he was lieing to "use his role better." | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:11 blubbdavid wrote: Lol, just let's kill Jackal and Sheth. Or VT first. You cant say anything about sheth based on the flip. One claimed result flipping one is litterally non conclusive information. VT and jackal I'll look at some tonight. At least scum are modkilled just as ez too. | ||
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The scum cop claim gambit that makes sense really is one where he either busses to gain cred or leads one bad lynch and then claims not sane. His role was taken and we have a town flip on zeph. I just cant find a logical motive at this point for doing what he did (from a he is scum pov). | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I think v7 is scum. I should write up a case on it. But basically, why wouldn't you think I'm scum after that? He just wants to keep me around if I was a paranoid cop. : / Because I just see no logical reason for a scum player to try to create so many lies that are front stage on day that create a situation where the day 2 lynch hits a townie. Your understanding of the chane of you being sane fits with the actions and thoughts you posted. Your tone and style of claim seem very genuine. Like I said it a read not a fact. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:37 Forumite wrote: Just because it´s a crazy scum-gamble doesn´t mean that it wasn´t one. If we don´t call out people on the crazy stuff they do then they´ll keep doing them. Right now we have a DT who was wrong, and isn´t a DT anymore, there are endless possibilities for scum to hide behind this. Sheth hurts town and can´t help town anymore, the theft abolishing him from any further responsibility, that´s what makes me think Sheth is scum. Ya that actually has a bit of logic to it. My read on him is still fairly town but their is at least a bit of possible sensible way for him to do what he did as scum. I would be very impressed if he was scum and wrote all his posts exactly like he did. They just seem so genuine to my cynical eye. | ||
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Am I wrong about his experience level with the game? That would factor heavily into how I look at him. | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:35 Nisani201 wrote: Alright I'm not going to defend myself because I'm the motherfucking pacific ocean. Fuck all you guys. Lets be clear, your standing by the claim that you are bullet proof / lynch proof? The wording of the opening post would indicate that this means that the game is over. | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: I need to catch up on this... I have had a pretty hectic couple of days poo poo happened and some people got killedz | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:23 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I think v7 is scum. I should write up a case on it. But basically, why wouldn't you think I'm scum after that? He just wants to keep me around if I was a paranoid cop. : / I hate to be all omgus but ya that statement has left me unsure about him. Felt good about him till then. Sheth, you said your role was taken, did you get a new role in return or are you naked as far as roles go? | ||
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On March 02 2012 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Why would you feel good about me at all up until then? Your crazy! Because what you said in what I quoted makes 0 logical sense no matter how I try to think about it. The only thing it does is through a motive at me (that indicates im scum). It is a loud yell of WOLF and doing so a 2nd time for illogical reasons (the first being you saying that cuz you werent told you are not sane means that you are sane and we should lynch based on 1 result in a game of this size with this many power roles). In short, the lead up to lynch on person you said you *knew* was scum (he wasnt according to the flip) (this was possible as people had said even), read as over eager bad town play to me. Your asap turning on the very first target you could find that was trying to down your illogical approach to things has you crossing my mental line of 'prolly bad town' over to 'scummy play'. Now, like you said before, you should probably make a real case on me because as of now your on illogocal crusade to lead town #2 and people are shouting 'hes scum!' as you pass bye. | ||
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On March 02 2012 21:58 Ciryandor wrote: Besides the DT check on Sheth, is there any other person we ought to be talking a look at, like VaderSeven for example? Are you sheeping, making a case, or maybe asking the people that made vague cases and never followed up (ggq / sheth) to make a case? | ||
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Have you read the current page? Other than Sheth (who via his play has made himself a much easier specimen to exaime) and killer cupa (who got modkilled), I dont have any strong scum/antitown reads atm. I am very bothered by GGQs lurking (easy for me to notice since he posted an accusation at me the went mia and...) but he lurks every game. I think he lurks harder as scum but he also tends to make 0 cases at all as scum (see sleeper cell II). Hes one of those players that will eternally bother me in every game because his play style in general is anti town. VanillaTownie needs to pop back in I didnt like his posts on day 1 (but who wasnt trolling day 1 so thats a null tell imo) and he has basically gone mia since then. Beyond that I haven't come to any strong conclusions. | ||
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TBH I really don't believe you Sheth. Your story stinks of grasping for straws that justify awful moves that have proven to be anti town. I can see one that is BP claiming cop. Makes sense. Why would you risk that move by then claiming a scum read day 2? Your play doesn't add up as a whole. If what you are claiming now wasn't a lie then you wouldn't have out right claimed but instead would have dropped some type breadcrumb hint of cop for the mafai to find in hopes of drawing a night shot. What you did instead was claim cop, led a misslynch, and are now scrambling all ver the place and slowly admitting to some of your lies when your cover crumbles in order to make an effort at creating a new cover that hasnt been deflated through logic yet. ##vote Liquid`Sheth Also, don't base alignment assumptions (or tell others to) based on roles / claimed roles. Nice job claiming compulsive framer and not saying who you framed. Total town move. | ||
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*fells not smart* ##unvote | ||
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I mean either people are sheep or I have done something that is coming off as scummy. Which is it? | ||
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@sheth - the vids song titles have shuffle, change and switch in them. They dont crumb his targets though. | ||
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maybe italics will help you to read this: YOU STILL HAVENT CLAIMED WHO YOU FRAMED. note caps and italics trully just to get sheths attention as the multitude of claims around him at this point suggest he is town more than his play suggests he is scum. | ||
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Sanity and/or framers. | ||
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I dont think you are sxum but that has no way anything to do with a confirmed town label for you. btw your case on me is beyond retarded l. | ||
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Thanks for the vote. | ||
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A change in playstyle is your case. Well the nukes had stopped flying, stupid day 1 elections (check my 'meta' i hate those so much), and ggq had basically said you dont look town to me right now. Your right it would have been a town move to continue my day 1 play. Your case is 100% confirmation bais and you are bad. You choose me over VT based on that shit? | ||
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Scum hunt != reading filters to justify a vote. | ||
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On March 03 2012 03:38 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Get this post out of here. No outside things inside of games. I hate having to deal with ppl in real life who actually will really get upset if you act weird in a mafia game. Saying if I'm a focus of attention I'm leaving tl, or I'm angry in real life with all of you. Its a game, you can think were all idiots, but none of that if I'm lynched I'm out of here stuff. to be very clear: tl in what i said refered to tl mafai. I would NEVER bring up outside of game things like that. What i mean in that post is that I had been regaurding TL as a place were mafai games were played skillfully. The way this litle fiasco around me is developing is pure newbie dribble. | ||
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On March 03 2012 03:45 Jayjay54 wrote: An upset reaction is just another indicator of feeling caught, most of the time. Im upset because i have played correctly and others have not and this idiotic case on me is just trollishly bad. | ||
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Your case is that my day 1 was trollish/bad and then I cared about the game as things settled and started by not ignoring a complete lurkers case on me? Re-read my ENTIRE filter and assume Im town. You are doing that cept assuming Im scum. Do the other way and realize how stupid this is PLEASE. | ||
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Its really bad play bro. | ||
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Do I have to explain everything to you? | ||
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I was respounding to people bringing up ggq as a possible item to talk about for lynch and I poimted out that I read him as his town lurker style not scum lurker. o_0 Do you know what confirmation bias is? | ||
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If anyone has a not retarded question or comment PM me to check thread and Ill get an email that ill buzz m y phone amd ill check it out. | ||
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On March 03 2012 04:23 Jayjay54 wrote: also the way his "analysis" is structured makes me think he's a newish player. Did your analysis happen to include his in post (firat post of his filter) ehere he clearly states this is his first game? I dont find him scummy grey. I think he would be more coached if he was. As was said (ach hate to agree but) its a coindlip lynch at best. | ||
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Ive been reading filters and so far VT is the one that stands out. If someone has been talking to him oot can you poke the fuck out of him? I assume he is a smurf and is aware of how bad his play has been. I would love for him to talk about pretty much anything. Im not seeing anything else atm. | ||
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On March 03 2012 06:07 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I think everyone who isn't actively talking right now ish stands out. Like the lurkers are probably scummy, even tho hopefully they get modkilled. Thats why its important we look at just those who are talking now, sense who knows, maybe the rest will just be killed off by Kurumi. Kurumi is an exceptional host and all around great guy with very little badness in him. 100% agree in every way. | ||
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On March 03 2012 06:23 EchelonTee wrote: I feel like claiming because I'm bored and still confused. Does anyone want me to claim? I would rather hear your thoughts on say ggq, myself, sheth, and VT. | ||
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Are you even useful? stfu then, men are talking | ||
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GGQ why do lurk like this every game. | ||
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Is there a logical way that sheth is scum and the other two arent? The whole role swapper plus two claimng they were swapped could be a gambit but thats a big pill to sswallow. Its not 100% out of the question (especially with a red reeult claimed by a claimed dt) but its a big play by scum if its the truth. | ||
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i.e. i find it highly unlikely that sheth is scum. I was questioning BM's vote on sheth. also im in a car with 3 guys and a girl and its cramped and this tourny is still 3.5 hours till we to where tourny is | ||
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-_- I feel like you guys arent even trying to understand things. | ||
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On March 03 2012 10:27 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Sooo BM , have you read the thread much lately?> < Thats a much more readable version of what I was try to ask him. Like really a vote on sheth right now takes a large leap of assumption no matter how 'bad' or 'scummy' has been (and personally, I think it was one of the two with the cop stuff). | ||
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:G OR :D MMMMMMMMMMMAFFFFFFFFFIIIIIAAAA GAME! HALF SOBER BRAIN SAYS YELL AT U FUCKER S ALIVE AND NOT TLKING GOOD NIGHT TL | ||
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I'm the Atlantic Ocean. Same abilities as the Pacific. I was trying to suggest that I was some kind of cop or god father detector in order to draw a scum shot. Can you see why I might be frustrated today? We can lynch my and confirm that if that seems best. Im at a lan today/tomorrow and have no idea what my activity level will be. | ||
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On March 04 2012 07:06 syllogism wrote: Now you have confirmed that he can survive a lynch, that's it. Forumite what do you think about this power? Do you find it towny? If you want to shot me you can do that too. Thats beyond wasteful but it would then prove im BP as well. How do you think a lynchproof role can be anything but town? | ||
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On March 05 2012 10:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Wait.. why woudln't u vig me if you DT'ed me red? I think we have our mafia here boys!! NO REASON to once you get a red read to not shoot him if you have the vig ability too : / He only has 1 result so far. He claimed to have forgotten to submit an action n1, scanned sheth as red n2, and vig on forumite n3. Is this an either or role? If not, please claim your scan asap. The single result you gave for sheth has more meaning then. I think mattchew's flip pretty much confirms sheths role was as claimed. That by proxy supports the sheth is town theory. | ||
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On March 05 2012 10:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Wait.. why woudln't u vig me if you DT'ed me red? I think we have our mafia here boys!! NO REASON to once you get a red read to not shoot him if you have the vig ability too : / Re-read that PM I sent you about sanity.  | ||
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On March 05 2012 14:52 syllogism wrote: Since Jayjay isn't dead, mafia knew vaderseven wouldn't die and didn't mind jayjay informing the town of it. I guess an unlynchable and unkillable townie isn't a threat to mafia ??? Or jayjay is the scum and was trying to buy town cred. You cant wifom night kills, dont try. It leads to confirmation bias based conclusions no matter what. | ||
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I have a nuke too (was given last night). I pmed the host asking if bp blocks nukes but you might have asked first cuz if you set me up to die you just did the worst play of all time. For the sake of discussion lets assume bp doesnt block a fucking nuke who should I nuke before this day ends. Sheth your play might just be awful this game. | ||
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Sheth, had you asked before when you were bp if bp blocked nukes? | ||
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Unkillable is NOT my ability. Your attention to detail needs to step up in future games. Your have mis led the town over and over based on lies. Lie again and I WILL nuke you. Act like aIm bluffing and I will nuke you. | ||
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Bulletproof in mafai games makes one immune to a #kill command. This covers vig shots and night kills. Unlynchable in mafai games makes one immune to being lynched. In laymans terms, nukes prolly dont give a flying fuck about kevlar. STOP BEING SO FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT GO BEYOND WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW. YOU ARE FUCKING THINGS UP FOR US BY LEING LEFT AND RIGHT BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE JUAT PLAIN WRONG. | ||
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On March 06 2012 05:21 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Who makes an ocean Bullet Proof? Its an ocean.... I'm unkillable I know nukes won't hurt me. I'm not assuming beyond what I actually know. If you think I'm lying here I really dont mind you nuking me, but I think it wastes a vig shot we have. On March 06 2012 06:01 Nisani201 wrote: It said I was bulletproof and unlynchable. ? Didnt your role go to nisani? You are claiming unkillable as a new thing or your old ocean role? I need to read your filter... almost home and thats happening asap. Pretty sure we should nuke or lynch you but not sure which. (you =sheth to be clear) | ||
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You are either playing an amazingly bad game as town or going for a hilarious wifom gambit as scum. The longer the game goes on the more I think the latter which is not how it usually goes in cases like this. I feel like your lies are just too much to take at this point. Leaning towards scum On Bill Murray- Lurker. Thinking maybe scum or 3rd party. Leaning towards 3rd party. On Jayjay54- He says he shot me last night. I didn't get a message about being shot. I think Nisani201 said he did get a message about being shot once with a bodygaurd message in there. If Nisani201 hasn't received any info on being shot since he became an ocean we cant conclude anything about Jay based on his claimed shot. If I ever get shot again and receive a message then I will look closer. His case on me seems legit pre my claim. Prolly town. On Nisani201- A flip on sheth would make me feel 100% either way about Nisani. You have pretty much played a very cautious game and thats not what you should be doing with the role you have at this point in time. On EchelonTee- Fairly sure he is town based on out of thread (oot) items. These guys I dont raelly know yet. If anyone can add to my understanding via oot talking pls do so especially if your evidence helps to understand these people: Kenpachi evantrees blubbdavid Bluelightz Ciryandor Forumite GreYmist I am up for a Bill Murray or Sheth lynch as of right now. Deadline is 20 minutes or so away or 1 day and 20 so minutes away? The latter right? | ||
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On March 06 2012 06:22 vaderseven wrote: Clearly state the full range of abilities of the man. So that doesn't get lost. Sheth, please answer this asap. | ||
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bluelightz (2) - Jayjay54, Liquid`Sheth Forumite (1) - EchelonTee -------------------------------------------- JayJay wrote: The case on bluelightz is: 1) Zero content. 2) Fake DT check. 3) Not defending his DT check, but disappearing. 4) Randomly shooting into people after previously DTing. 5) Shot was not confirmed. Thats a really good case. Reading Bluelightz filter makes me fairly sure he should be taken care of soon. -------------------------------------------------- The case on Forumite is: On March 05 2012 13:03 EchelonTee wrote: I realize I haven't contributed much this game at all, so I shouldn't really be in any one's "pro town" list. Forumite got vig'd by Bluelightz, but Formuite didn't die. What gives? There are 13 of us alive. I do not think we should mass claim for another day cycle; the benefit of claiming would be to sort out powers and sniff out who is lying, but with so many people atm it would be easy for scum / 3rd parties to claim something like "i'm a vet/i'm a vig" and get away with nothing while learning everyone else's remaining roles. My #1 scum/black read is Forumite. He has been fairly active throughout the game, but hasn't had any solid opinions on anyone since Day 1 or 2. All he does is say stuff like "hmm this person seems fairly confirmed but I'm suspicious of him"; the tone of said posts make me feel that he is just posting on the thread happenings without making any strong stands. If he was scum/3rd party (i suspect he's black, night kill immunity or something), then this would match up. Him not accusing anyone strongly is fine and dandy if all he has to do is wait til everyone else kills each other. Also, Mattchew suggested I nuke Forumite, before Mattchew was killed. This prompted me to look over Forumite's filter more. This is a decent case. I shall re-read Forumite's filter with this case in mind as true and again as not true and see what I feel/think/conclude. Reading his filter leaves me at a lose. He DID accuse sheth and made a huge case on him. -------------------------- of those two cases (the ones people are voting for so far, I much more support the case on bluelightz -------------------------- If a nuke DOES land on me today lynch sheth asap. That man, in my book, has used up every strike in the "lynch all liars" (LAL) book and if he lied about his lie about nuking then he is 100% some kind of anti town align/role. ------------------------- Unsure/Can be anything:
Leaning Scum or anti town 3rd Party:
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13/31 alive * - Liquid'Sheth... Why so many lies? Your saving grace is that you keep claiming a 'decent motive' (wifom and useless... not a good thing to have as your saving grace) and that Nisani201 / Mattchew (mattchew flipped town) seem to confirm at least your original role. If this player is town he needs to approach the game different starting now and I expect him to do so. I have a nuke and your next anti-town move or post will result in an unconditional launching of said nuke at you. ** - My read of 3rd Party on BM is a big part meta of his play that I have seen in other games. His posting style seems to just be way to an under the radar for the way he plays even when in a power role for town position. *** - Nisani201 will need a close new look if Sheth ever dies and flips red/black. His play without Sheth in mind has been lackluster but townish. **** - I have a strong personal read on this player's play as fitting 100% with a player that has never played forum mafia before and is a town player. ##vote Bluelightz If you guys want, I will launch my nuke at Liquid'Sheth today. I have no personal logic that says I shouldn't beyond the fact that he has become such a center role in alot of the things I talked about so I might not be the most objective about if it is a solid use. Please, everyone, post for me a clear one of these: VaderSeven, nuke Sheth. or VaderSeven, do NOT nuke Sheth. Formatting doesn't matter, just make sure its SUPER CLEAR AND THAT I NOTICE IT. Keep in mind that if he turns out to have lied about anything else in this game at all I will launch regardless unless a large part of the player base is like DO NOT DO IT. | ||
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Might be trolling and hating this game or an anti-town role/alignment. I can't decide. | ||
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On March 06 2012 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Hm, let me think of some more lies to tell you. Gullible isn't in the dictionary! I don't know why you think I'm scum yet vote on the guy I'm voting for. Half your logic makes no sense. Sheth you are looking at things so one dimensional. Look up "Bussing." Here is a good low down on it. Bussing is a term used to describe when one of the Mafia leads a lynch against another Mafia member to gain the trust of the Town. Especially given your lack of adding to the case on Bluelightz your vote has nothing to add to the discussion of your alignment. On March 06 2012 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Why are you thinking nisani is town but me not? Either way if you nuke me I'm dead and you'll know for sure that I was just a lovable ocean for a while who wanted to stir things up and win in the end. If nisani was acting as scummy as you are and had lied at all I would be all over him. I have him under a micro scope because of the whole interaction between you, mattchew, and him. Mattchew flipping town and Nisani's claims and actions fitting with what I know about this game are the only reason I am not voting and/or nuking you. On March 06 2012 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: bluelightz is the easy scum find tho, I'd also be worried about Kenpachi. These are two great targets to get rid of today, Bluelightz is obviously the best. I agree but I think you are stating something fairly obvious. I would feel *a lot* better about you if you ADDED something NEW to the game that WASN'T A LIE. | ||
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On March 06 2012 08:19 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Fair enough. I'm debating playing this game purely to see how confused I can make you. Thats pretty confusing so gg. I mean, you required to play to win and I just don't even see how a play style dedicated to that fits with that. What game ARE you playing? Also, On March 06 2012 06:42 vaderseven wrote: So that doesn't get lost. Sheth, please answer this asap. Ya, still waiting. | ||
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If you are trolling then you mean the opposite of what your smilely would indicate yet if you are anti-town then you wouldn't suggest that. Between you and Sheth my head is gonna 'splode. | ||
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On February 28 2012 07:43 Nisani201 wrote: OK here goes: I am a compulsive framer and white supremacist. If I visit a black person I kill them. I claimed my role to Sheth (Sheth claimed black to me) and Greymist. If sheth is town then greymist is either black mafia or knows of a black person in the mafia. On February 28 2012 07:44 Nisani201 wrote: also i guess i'm a veteran but that wasn't in the role PM. It's possible that i got medic protected. On March 03 2012 01:49 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Oh, I framed Jaybrundage just to explain what I did there, so if you checked him well its a framed check. I did this cuz nisani said that was who he was going to frame I believe before he got switched. So you are saying thats not your claimed role? | ||
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Nisani or Sheth, feel free to answer. Unless thats not your role Sheth. Then just stop posting cuz you will have not posted a single helpful thing all game long. | ||
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The player in question PM'd me saying he had given me one then PMed me again 20 minutes ago to say that the action had failed. I PM'd him 20 minutes ago saying can I say who you are in the thread but he hasn't replied so I will leave that up to him for now. | ||
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On March 06 2012 08:39 Bill Murray wrote: because mattchew is now clearly a blue, and not some sort of bus driver variant for the mafia sheth is now confirmed town i am definitely willing to lynch bluelightz What if mattchew had his targets fucked by mafia the night that switch happened. Sheth didn't even know the correct wording of the role. He only claimed ANYTHING about it AFTER nisani did. He could be claiming to be the target because they switched that shit up. Did Sheth clearly claim to anyone before Nisani claimed in thread? | ||
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On March 06 2012 10:08 Bill Murray wrote: vader is trying to lynch out of people he thinks are 3rd party that is a mafia tell why was he unable to be lynched? try to vig him, blue Uh, Im trying to lynch scum first and 3rd party 2nd. Thats a fairly defensive post by you. Strongly points to you being 3rd party. | ||
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On March 06 2012 10:15 Forumite wrote: Noone is 100% confirmed, but after a while you´ll just have to trust your strongest townreads, hope they are correct and go after the rest. There´s a tiny, possibility that Matthew was tricked into confirming Sheth and Nisani, but I´m not going to test that. We didn´t lynch Sheth for lying about the Zeph-check yesterday, I don´t agree with that but the solution is not to lynch him today. Town decided yesterday that he´s town, we´ll just have to go with that for now. Im not pushing a Sheth lynch. Im saying it seems silly to think that night actions have confirmed him when you take the amount of lieing he has done. I dont want to enter lylo and have people saying Sheth has been confirmed for a long time. I want people to be looking at the whole picture constantly. | ||
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On March 06 2012 10:08 Bill Murray wrote: why was he unable to be lynched? try to vig him, blue JayJay has claimed to have done just that last night. I received no message confirming that though. | ||
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The blue lynch was solid and all he did when voted was say ok lynch sheth. Right now I feel like he hasnt explained the reasoning behind his actions at all. Your current very random pushing several people at once without explanation BM is extremely counter productive. | ||
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On March 07 2012 01:35 GreYMisT wrote: So i reread, much to our resident ghost's urging, and came to the following conclusions: Someone make an intelligent statement saying why people are mass trusting someone that could very well win with any of the main factions in this game? | ||
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On March 07 2012 01:55 GreYMisT wrote: Have you ever heard of casper the friendly ghost? I have not, not heard of him. | ||
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For some reason I thought he was a ghost from day 1. Sec reading. | ||
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Changing my vote to forumite. | ||
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There is no excuse for his blatant false ignorance of sanity modifiers. He has to know wtf hes doing by sticking to his guns of only DTing once and claiming failed other actions other nights for various reasons. | ||
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sheth wins What does that mean, sylo wants a specific lynch and said everyone voting someone else is scum | ||
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Bluelights isnt so noob that he should be forgiven for not understanding sanity especially after the sheth fiasco which he was paying attention to. Forumite dieing to satist a dead player for no real proof..... That stinks of sylo gaining a new win condition for being the day 1 lynch. This is a dumb retarded lynch and I cant support it. Changing back to blue. | ||
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Turns out thats not the case (pm land and recent posts clarified that). | ||
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Post now so we can hold you accountable. gg sylo if the game just ends now. | ||
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On March 07 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote: answer me this: do you think bluelightz is scum? Sadly the town doesn't care as thier evil master sylo has told them not to. Sylo said he wont reply about the matter and hat he will be gone after today anyway (in a pm to me). Fucking sheep. Learn to think. | ||
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Silence of the Sheep. Sylo.... i will be very sad if you win. | ||
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Sylo, are you gone or still ghosting? | ||
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There is also a few players that have posted next to nothing like ciryandor that I am eyeballing a bit now. Yesterday went awesome I guess and I feel like a worried women that thought the car was gonna crash even though we were just making a right turn at 25mph. | ||
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On March 07 2012 07:37 Jayjay54 wrote: also why is the information disregarded that Forumite was an PGO? bluelight apparently lied again. If he really shot Forumite last night he'd be dead. care to set things right blue? Gee im shocked. | ||
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On March 07 2012 08:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Chance bluelightz is village idiot. I'd really like to use vigs / nukes on him if at all possible. omg. . . . . . . O_O I agree with your suggested course of action. | ||
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On March 07 2012 11:22 Bluelightz wrote: I need friends! PM me people if you want to direct meh action for the night. Here. Ill "help" you out. Scan someone. Anyone you think is a good scan. Don't say who you are scanning till the next day starts so that nothing scum might be able to do fucks with it. Claim the result in thread tomorrow. | ||
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Because there isn't anything sensitive about the fact that he needs to use the DT ability over the Vig ability (assuming he is 100% legit) and that should in fact be on record in the thread as an instruction that no one can dispute. | ||
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99.99% of the case on him is that he has set up a "o i didnt know my sanity at all what-so-ever" defense if were to say lynch sheth and he flipped town. He needs to be a DT with more than 1 claimed result. Beyond that, I don't want to direct him mainly because I don't trust him. | ||
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O... Ok? WTF just happened lol. I would have nuked him and ice-creamed the lurker but whatevers. Its hopefully all the same... If anyone else has nukes can we talk about them first? I don't really disapprove of those at all but I disapprove of the lone gunman style at this point in the game. I do NOT buy that case on Greymist. I don't have any reason to confirm him as town in my mind but that case made by david was just not tight enough for me at all. I did like the pressure and how it put grey on the spot. As for evantrees, I do buy that a bus driver would explain alot that has left me full of questions. JJ announced his shot on me and claimed he shot but I never got a msg about it. JJ has been in this limbo of hard to read and that was the most crucial fact relating to that in my mind. I think it comes down to evantrees vs JayJay with how things are right now. I will be reading things before my vote as we have plenty of time to think this out. | ||
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On March 08 2012 08:18 Nisani201 wrote: bluelightz give us the results of your check See: On March 08 2012 07:21 Kurumi wrote: He failed to answer my riddle correctly, there's none. | ||
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On March 08 2012 08:41 Nisani201 wrote: I'd like to share this PM with everyone because greymist isn't here right now. He sent me this: I'm not sure if the riddle plays into this or not; we should probably wait for him to post about it. Why in god's name would you post that before bluelightz has posted??? | ||
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On March 08 2012 08:55 Liquid`Sheth wrote: ##Nuke Vaderseven Hahah thanks whoever gave it to me this night hahahahah <3 You either retarded or lieing. If you aren't lieing and you are town then I am going to policy vig you the next game I am in because you are basically playing against your win condition. You know that nukes are an incredibly powerful asset right? Your play is so fucking bad. | ||
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There is 10 alive (if I counted correct) so that means if there is 3 or more scum and 4 people die we GOTTA lynch scum. | ||
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Are you trying to even play this game or is it a giant troll to you? | ||
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Im reminded that you have lied to town at least once every day this game. Im going to ignore your stupid nuke unless it lands and kills my ass somehow. Then I wont ignore it. Either way, I think you are just, well, bad. | ||
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On March 07 2012 08:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Chance bluelightz is village idiot. I'd really like to use vigs / nukes on him if at all possible. I love how you make sense at some points and then through all logic out the door the next. I dont understand the actions of Sheth or JayJay today. Ciryandor kinda hit it on the head about Jay and sheth has been lieing and acting random all game. I am frustrated by Sheth's play but at least I understand his motive somewhat (hes either scum causing confusion, 3rd party being random, or town out for vengeance on a personal level). I have no clue what to think of Jay. On March 08 2012 07:38 Jayjay54 wrote: turns out my DT ability is role only without alignment. But since I checked evantrees tonight, I feel like he's the missing link to a lot of stuff which happened. evantrees is a bus driver. since we already had a town bus driver and things like the apparent additional scum kp the night I stupidly announced my shot on vaderseven, it was probably diverted. this all leaves out his scummy lurk appearance and random popping back up again. Ladies and Gentleman: I found Scum. Let's lynch evantrees. ##vote evantrees If we lynch evantrees and if he flips not a busdriver... then jayjay is probably scum. What bothers me about the lynch of evantrees is we have been led to it by the very random play of JayJay and this is a possible lylo especially with 2 nukes and ice cream (wtf) in the air. 10 people alive, up to 4 will die. That leaves 6 alive and 1 night kill leaves 5 alive tomorrow. I am very willing to believe that there is possibly 3 scum still alive in this game. Anyways, what bothers me, with all that in mind, is it has basically smoke screened bluelights. WTB BLUELIGHTS POSTING. | ||
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On March 08 2012 20:27 Bluelightz wrote: Posting in thread ^o^ How was that investigation last night? | ||
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At least you dont stink of lies like I assumed you would. ##vote evantrees | ||
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Shets nuke is either a lie or is really bad play (or more likely both). Dont thank him for being dumb just cuz I poked fun at you while pointing out that blue takes forever to post. | ||
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If it was a policy sheth woulda been the lynch for every single day (which is why im thinkin hes just trolling about the nuke). | ||
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The evan trees lynch is more people following the claimed role check by jay jay showing that evan is a busdriver. That would explain like jay claiming to shot me but me getting message about on the same night that there was an extra night kill. I happen to agree with greys case on evan but I think this lynch is more as a result on the claimed result. | ||
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On March 09 2012 05:07 vaderseven wrote: I think its partially cuz of the fact the mod stated at the day start that blue lightz had failed to answer a riddle and had no power as a result. The evantrees lynch is more because of people following the claimed role check by jay jay showing that evan is a busdriver. That would explain like jay claiming to have shot me but me not getting a message confirming that on the same night that there was an extra night kill. I happen to agree with greys case on evan but I think this lynch is more as a result on the claimed result. edited | ||
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On March 09 2012 05:59 blubbdavid wrote: Yup. I wonder if Kurumi could show us the riddle. Oh great and amazing mod, could you show us the mighty riddle? | ||
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Pretty sure he wont tell us but is in his hands now. | ||
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On March 09 2012 07:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Some men just want to watch the Pacific Ocean burn. Are you claiming 3rd party sk 'Joker'? Im the other ocean btw. | ||
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On March 09 2012 08:15 Liquid`Sheth wrote: No I'm the man. I just want you to die. Is that hard to understand? > < Why? | ||
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On March 09 2012 12:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So you can be with ghost syllo and ghost forumite. They tell me its awesome. And whisper me to do things. Nonono, I asked WHY. | ||
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On March 09 2012 17:51 evantrees wrote: Getting lynched for being useless and having a similar role to a dead guy oh what fun. Claim or get off the pot. | ||
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Im not surprised at all with sheths but jayjay explain dat nuke. | ||
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On March 10 2012 07:24 blubbdavid wrote: This whole game somehow has become to complicated for me... I actually don't get why. We did just lynch scum and JJ was right about his role. | ||
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On March 11 2012 03:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote: WOW. Why do you want to shoot me? I've done everything just right for town and now you want to shoot me? So clearly mafia : [ LoL, I was in fact joking bra. Dont make me fake nuke you. Your play hasnt helped us though, I dont know how you can suggest that. | ||
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On March 11 2012 03:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I think blubbdavid is who we should kill. He roleblocked greymist, hasnt' claimed any of his roleblocks and hasn't been helpful. Whenever we can vote for someone to die, we should vote for him. Easy choice. To play devils advocate: It fit completely with case he was making at the time. I aldo believe that his tone/motive seem genuine. That shit can be faked though. What bothers me about him is less that he RB'd grey and more that he is a roleblocker that hasnt claimed his actions. Im on my phone now, were any of the scum that died RBers? | ||
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On March 11 2012 03:49 blubbdavid wrote: Yes, I haven't been useful. But to be accused by the liar #1 lol... Hey, claim your actions you have done. | ||
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Blubbdavid, claim ur actions cuz its looking your the scums. Good call to look at him sheth I was kinda glossing over him too much. | ||
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2. syllogism - Dead Day 1 from nuke Red Cross Ackbar 3. Greymist the Black Coach - dead whatever today is 4. Liquid`Sheth 5. Mattchew - Dead Night 3 in church Shuffler 6. A Killer Cuppa Tea the Country of Iraq modkilled Day 2 7. Jackal58 the Tim Tebow dead Night 2 8. Erandorr - Ice Cream Bus Driver dead Night 1 9. Forumite the Stalin dead Day uhh 4 lynch 10. chaos13 the Bill Murray modkilled Day 2 11. Bill Murray 12. Ciryandor 13. Jayjay54 14. VanillaTownie the Oracle modkilled Day 3? 15. Nisani201 16. blubbdavid - dead (whatever today is) 17. Bluelightz 18. sandroba - dead Day 1 from nuke Ace 19. Curu - dead Day 1 from nuke Listcheck DT 20. vaderseven 21. Cyber_Cheese - dead Night 1 RED Spy 22. risk.nuke the BLU Heavy modkilled Day 2 23. jaybrundage dead Night 3 Voldemort 24. EchelonTee 25. GGQ dead Night 3 the Black Kim Il Sung Cultist 26. Kenpachi the Kenpachi nuked Day uhhh 4 27. wherebugsgo - George W Bush the Role Picking Thief dead Day 1 Lynch 28. devourke - dead D1 modkill Gollum 29. evantrees - dead D5? Carl Johnson 30. OriginalName the Boxer modkilled Day 2 31. Opz - dead D1 modkill Chezinu Soul Bank 8/31 alive Is that correct guys? | ||
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I think 7 are alive right now. Correct list I think is here: + Show Spoiler + 1. Zephirdd the Man in Black Who Isn't Black lynched Day 2 2. syllogism - Dead Day 1 from nuke Red Cross Ackbar 3. Greymist the Black Coach - dead whatever today is 4. Liquid`Sheth 5. Mattchew - Dead Night 3 in church Shuffler 6. A Killer Cuppa Tea the Country of Iraq modkilled Day 2 7. Jackal58 the Tim Tebow dead Night 2 8. Erandorr - Ice Cream Bus Driver dead Night 1 9. Forumite the Stalin dead Day uhh 4 lynch 10. chaos13 the Bill Murray modkilled Day 2 11. Bill Murray 12. Ciryandor 13. Jayjay54 14. VanillaTownie the Oracle modkilled Day 3? 15. Nisani201 16. blubbdavid - dead (whatever today is) 17. Bluelightz 18. sandroba - dead Day 1 from nuke Ace 19. Curu - dead Day 1 from nuke Listcheck DT 20. vaderseven 21. Cyber_Cheese - dead Night 1 RED Spy 22. risk.nuke the BLU Heavy modkilled Day 2 23. jaybrundage dead Night 3 Voldemort 24. EchelonTee AMERICA - dead sometime 25. GGQ dead Night 3 the Black Kim Il Sung Cultist 26. Kenpachi the Kenpachi nuked Day uhhh 4 27. wherebugsgo - George W Bush the Role Picking Thief dead Day 1 Lynch 28. devourke - dead D1 modkill Gollum 29. evantrees - dead D5? Carl Johnson 30. OriginalName the Boxer modkilled Day 2 31. Opz - dead D1 modkill Chezinu Soul Bank 7/31 alive | ||
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I got no msg of being HIT that time. Last night, I got a msg that I was HIT. | ||
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I know you don't have a nuke Im tired of playing that game. ##PISS ON LIQUID SHETH | ||
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Bluelightz is just lurking and not even trying to help at all ever. His actions dont help and his posting certainly doesn't help. | ||
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Its just bluelightz.... hes been like not in the thread since the moment he almost got lynched. | ||
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Blue, got any thing to you know add? | ||
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Are you obi wan kanobi (strike him down and will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine)? | ||
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What a horrible to play role lol. (that or he was supposed to be blue and mod is tired) | ||
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On March 13 2012 13:17 Erandorr wrote: All right, seriously, who killed me? Moneys on the Batman dood. | ||
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wanna say wtf is going on? | ||
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I would never lie to the mod. He might be a policy kinda guy... | ||
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vaderseven
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<3 I live where use central time. Its currently 3:25pm. MUCH LOVE!! | ||
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i dunno i hate time changes | ||
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Probably. | ||
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On March 14 2012 05:37 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Haha vaderseven are you mad your gonna lose soon? Spoilers, I cant be killed by the likes of you. | ||
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Liars are bad at doing what they say they will do. | ||
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On March 14 2012 06:16 Kurumi wrote: Nuke yadayada on Sheth yadayada Is the day post in 40 mins? | ||
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huge megapost coming soon. me and jj were both scum until last two nights btw. | ||
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Srs this was an orcestrated and well thought out 3rd party win that i will in a bit take most of the credit fir. | ||
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1. JayJay and I are the only 2 scum left starting on day 5. 2. JayJay used his DT ability on Bill Murry that night and found out that he was a cult recruiter and informed me of that. *at that moment, I, having play'd with cults before, began to completely play with the mindset of winning as a cultist. 3. I sent a PM to BM saying that I wanted some punch basically, he recruits me right then. At this point, the game is as follows: Liquid`Sheth Bill Murray Ciryandor Jayjay54 Nisani201 vaderseven Bluelightz 4. With myself being recruited, the cult now knew the alignment of every single player left in the game. 5. I knew JayJay had potentionally 2 KP because of his role so I began a very long a elaborite set of lies to him. I claimed cult to him and said I was sorry for joining. I set him up so he would believe he had found a way to still win as scum. I told him dont worry I'll make the cult recruit you. You can still win etc etc! 6. The next day, I PMed him and informed him that if BM dies (remember he knows thats the recruiter), another cultist takes up the role and he therefor can not win as scum. I instructed him to change his vote to Bluelightz and to not roleblock BM on the next night. Now when I PM'd BM asking to be cult I assumed there would be 4 total cultists including myself. The fact that his role specificly stated that recruiting mafia didn't kill them (not a killer cult) led me to believe that no matter what my chance of winning was highest on the cult side. If BM had recruited JJ the game would have ended the next night and I would have been at the mercy of the cult. If BM didn't recruit me or JJ and we killed a townie instead of the mafia, we would be left with 4 cult and JJ and I left. At that point the cult controls the game and I lose control over the ability to win. The lesson from all this is if you ever learn of a cult (especially a BP recruiter) and you are the scum, you should begin playing to win as cult that second no matter what. Yes its not fool proof, but your chance of winning is SIGNIFICANTLY higher if you do so. @JayJay- Sorry to play you. I was playing to win 100%. I haven't had to lie like that in a mafia game in a very long time, I felt like a bad person. I 100% didn't really care about you winning... I was doing the set of actions that had the greatest chance to create the situation in which I was most likely to end the game on a winning team. FYI, if BM had died, there was no other recruiter. This wouldn't have really mattered if there was 4 players on the cult but kinda mattered because there was only 3 (including myself). | ||
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Me and JJ are a fucking sick scum team that was leading the game around on useless chases both in and out of the thread. Amazingly fun to be a dito that can copy unlyncable/BP role and then proceed to make the town waste a lynch to prove that Im town (when Im not). The strongest scum play is that which hinges on so many true statements. This game allowed me to abuse that to the fullest! | ||
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<3 sheth hes my hero! | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:24 Nisani201 wrote: I just read through the QT. Jayjay played very smart. I shouldn't have trusted him so easily. Ya he played you really well. He basically made it so I could stay out of PM land for the most part. | ||
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Seriously dont get mad at me. I tried to find palmar or kurmi to talk to about the fine print of playing to win vs playing to win for your current win con and couldnt find them. With the game moving along I needed to commit to one or the other. Cults are often not used in games because they are a bit op and they change win cons. There is no way you should ever fault someone for deciding to pla to win overall. When I say play you I mean lie to you. I engaged in very long talks with you with the intention of lieing... thats all I mean by that phrase. I think I accomplished my goals in playing you because the last day and night of the played out exactly as I told you and the cult I wanted it to. JJ, keep in mind, it would b accurate to say that there being a cult alone made this a bastard game. I winch at the tone of post game anger. You kinda implied I cheated. If you are saying so please take into account I have 7 (i think) previous games with a cult in them... of which 7 games were by cult even after horrible play on the cults side. The fact that there was a living cult recruiter at that point in the game made thier chances of victory extremely high. This puts into conflict play to win vs play for your CURRENT win con. The op clearly states play for your win con with no regaurd for time. I choose to see thha as the allowed option to do what I did. All I did was PM bm with a subject of bank asking if he was drinking punch. I in no way play against my current win con at that time by say outin that im scum or you are scum. Tl;dr Dont be mad about me playing to win. Keep in mind that if cult recruited you, or me that night things would have played out the exact same way. If there was a 2-1-1 situation the game becomes a semi trigger finger event and well, I have strong feelings about that as well. The last game I was ended as a trigger finger game and it was lame. I am actuallly planning making a post about that because it something tl needs to discuss. I did not see playing for that situation as a reliable way to win. | ||
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If forumite had ever gotten the kids then only the winning team would have won. | ||
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To be honest, I didn't trust that you would follow through as I didn't know your experience level with cults. CULTS MAKE YOU NOT TRUST YOUR TEAM. Don't get mad about that. | ||
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The game played out to the T exactly I intended it to from the second I PM BM. You really think that I deserved to be labeled as a cheater for this: To: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Bank Date: 3/10/12 11:26 I heard that you are making punch. I'm going to drop the conversation now as I haven't convinced you that you shouldn't be mad and you haven't convinced me that you should be mad. I take offense at you saying that I didn't read the OP and cheated or that I read the OP and cheated. I am deeply sorry that my actions have made you feel these things yet I fully stand by my actions as I feel they in fact did none of these things. I can talk about bad play vs good play and own to when I have played sub par but I take offense when someone says I cheated because I put alot of time into this game from start to finish and I in no way was trying to cheat the system. | ||
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