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On February 19 2012 23:23 Zephirdd wrote: woooooooooooo sounds fun :D Especially this part Im /IN baby! E: it's a "hard setup" inb4 Palmar puts me in an extremely stacked team just to balance things out You know when you're celebrating about no activity requirements that there's something wrong. | ||
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1. Kitaman27 2. prplhz 3. Wherebugsgo 4. syllogism On February 19 2012 21:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: /in and balanced by palmar and sandroba goddamn this game is gonna be awesome. | ||
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be more careful then. | ||
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Also I'm drunk as fuck OMG UR DRUNK THATS SO COOL OLOLOLLOL TELL THE WORLD ABOUT IT | ||
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Day 1 is the hardest day to get a scumlynch, as town has the least information available to it. A policy lynch means not possibly mislynching a strong town player. Policy lynches and the reactions to them are very useful. They get lots of juicy reactions. We get rid of a bad. Honestly the chance of a policy lynch hitting scum is about as good as hitting scum from a flimsy day 1 case. We also don't lynch radfield the blue day 1, but thats similar to my only point regarding getting rid of a bad. Day 1 is usually somewhat of a crapshoot in 48/24 games. Policy lynches are good, embrace them. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: I'm just saying I don't like policy lynches why not | ||
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I don't think that word means what you think it means. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: These quotes come from couples therapy and ptp2. You were town both games. So why the change in play-style red? They're also from months ago. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:38 chaoser wrote: Spam the mafia subforum with one liners? I've seen one liners from you everywhere -_- I hope the irony of this post is not lost on you. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: Is this the standard mafia "opps I got caught in a discrepancy". Time to claim change in playstyle! I explained why I like a policy lynch, not much more I can do i guess. I don't see the problem with posting a lot if they say something, if i put it all in the same post its still the same amount of reading. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I know, its just blazinghand seemed to expressing familiarity with them.I hate these meta arguments. People are not automatons that play every single game as a particular alignment in the exact same fashion. Stupid question too, doesn't pressure him even if he is mafia. I've never seen a policy lynch work on TL, not even LAL because town players here lie so often and my perspective is that TL towns are fairly gullible in general. There have been good Day 1 cases on multiple occasions. On Day 1 in the ongoing Arkham City game both VisceraEyes/Sheth got pretty close to the chopping block. "Bad" is a subjective term as well, who decides whether a player is good or bad? The "town"? You might as well pick a random amount of "bad" inactives and just RNG the lynch, what a waste of a Day 1 discussion. I disagree. There are points where a player is so useless and terrible that they are objectively bad.Putting votes on inactive townies/policy lynches generates almost no real pressure on a player over whether or not they are scum but only creates arguments over whether or not a policy lynch is justified. It creates early day 1 discussion, something I think it has done this game, so that's one good thing. It also forces the person to post and post constructively, something they may not do otherwise. It doesn't only create arguments about whether a policy lynch is justified, it creates discussion about different things, as we have already seen. Mafia is designed so that the town can still win fairly easily even if they mislynch on the first day. Yes it is, so why not get rid of dead weight. It is not designed to make it impossible to lynch scum on first day or so that people will not try. I don't disagree, a policy lynch is simply a suggestion. You get better discussion out of people making, or being forced to make, real cases on people. When mafia have to make bad analysis, they get exposed. No shit, policy lynching doesn't FORCE EVERYONE TO STOP ANALYSING. You don't have to policy lynch to avoid lynching "blue radfield" or anything like that either. yes but it helps.Re: Spammy RedFF Never fails to live up to expectations. Red you really don't have to comment on every little thing with a 1-liner response. My PL on you stands until I get a scum-read on someone. I'm a proponent of "innocent until proven guilty". derp | ||
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PEOPLE PEOPLE The game has been going on for an hour, my suggestion of a policy lynch does not mean I don't want anyone to scumhunt. It's an excellent way to generate discussion, which it has. VE's post is hypocritical because he's calling me scum for pushing a policy lynch when he himself was pushing a policy lynch up until that post, when it arbitrarily became a scum lynch. Consider him my first moderately scummy read. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote: If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia. GET OUT OF THIS THREDA WITH YOUR SENSE. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: What I'd read in the thread up to the point of my vote stood to prove you guilty of what I accused you of Red, don't "derp" me. You were spamming the thread already when I posted that and have continued to do so after I proposed a policy lynch of it. But you know, whatever. The fact that you're so vocal about this Policy Lynch discussion tells me that you're trying to hollowly contribute to the thread, because a VI Policy Lynch, no matter how you slice it, isn't designed to lynch scum. And no matter how much you say "it generates discussion", when that's all you're discussing, it doesn't add anything constructive to the thread either. Therefor, I'm upgrading you from a Spam Policy Lynch to a full-fledged Scum Lynch. Congratulations RedFF. Now die. He wanted to policy lynch me because i spam, he then changed it to a scum lynch because all i was doing was talking about the policy lynch, when all he has done is push a policy lynch on me and discuss policly lynching up until the above lynch. That's not misrepresentation. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:28 redFF wrote: He wanted to policy lynch me because i spam, he then changed it to a scum lynch because all i was doing was talking about the policy lynch, when all he has done is push a policy lynch on me and discuss policly lynching up until the above post. That's not misrepresentation. bolded what I fixed. | ||
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Why is my suggesting of policy lynching tyrran "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" while your suggestion of policy lynching me isn't. Nothing you've said there makes me scummy. It makes us agree on whether a policy lynch is a good thing, but it doesn't make me scummy. | ||
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Anyway VE you know as well as I do that TLMAFIA has never had a polcy lynch go through and the likelyhood of one happening today was pretty much 0. The policy lynch suggestion and push was more a way to get get reactions and generate discussion(which it succeeded at). thanks tyyran, ##unvote VE is also back to null, this looks like dumb bc shooting ve-town being dumb bc shooting ve-town. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Defensively misrepresenting other players arguments seems scummy to me. You're just contributing another negative oneliner devoid of content. If you're not scum, you're really careless. I'm fairly sure carelessness is a towntell if anything, so thanks for saying im acting like town? | ||
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Ah, wbg is here, awesome. I'm remembering why I stopped playing here a couple months ago lol. | ||
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votes tyrran in his first post of the game. Attacks me for pushing a policy lynch(which he is on) when i called them bad 4 months ago. thinks he's caught me in a mafia meta contradiction when really my policy regarding policy lynches has just changed. He was also grilling me for a few posts before stopping and going back to pointless fluff, while placing a vote on me without announcing it in thread. so erm ##vote kita For a moment I want everyone voting me to think about why scum would do what I have done this game, then get back to me. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: explain how any arguments i've made have been terrible. You can't just say this without any backing up. Yeah that's why I said if you're not scum you're acting really careless. Regardless making terrible arguments, misrepresenting other players, you said i was misrepping and i explained how i wasn't and you didnt respond. and being antagonistic as a defensive action are not helping you here. is being antagonistic a scumtell? If so then wbg is scum every game! | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Red, you misrepped me when you said I was voting you "for pushing a Policy Lynch" when that's not the reason I was voting you at all. Forget about that? You are voting me for "using the pushing of a policy lynch as a way of Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" Since the whole "Hollowly Contributing to Thread Attempting to Appear Pro-Town" is just your interpretation of me pushing a policy lynch, I'm fairly sure that me saying you are voting me for pushing a policy lynch is accurate. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: One good example of misrepresenting is by insinuating I'm calling you town/contradicting myself based on something I didn't say at all. surely if i'm caught scum and its only a few hours into day 1 i'm still pretty careless? | ||
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Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. bolded why it was their fault he views himself so highly hilarious coming from you, not that I disagree.I don't know what those last quotes have to do with mafia other than calling me a hypocritical asshole, which is probably true. | ||
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I'm so tempted to make a quote montage from that game. I remember reading your filter on day 3 and seeing that you had, at one point or another, called literally every other team in the game scum. I don't see how that matters. Pressuring people and gauging reactions is a fun part of mafia! Just because people don't play however you view the correct way to play is doesn't make them wrong. You also haven't played mafia very long, and only here afaik, so probably haven't seen the extent of terribleness that exists in the mafia playing world. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 PUT HIM IN A HOME ALREADY COAG | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote: No, your contributions have been hollow and useless. Your only actual "attempt" to scumhunt was casting doubt on me for "being a hypocrite". Only the "attempting to appear pro-town" part is interpretation. The "hollowly contributing" part is accurate. So no, you saying that I'm voting you "for pushing a policy lynch" absolutely is NOT accurate. Nice try though. again, all your opinion. So yes its still accurate. | ||
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HAH GOT YOU THERE HAVEN'T I. | ||
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On February 21 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and yet hes better than you in near every way. What does that say about you? him being a cunt has nothing to do with his skill at mafia. | ||
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What a coincidence. Back to scumhunting, what do people think of my thoughts on kita, or are we all ignoring it because I'm bad. Ve is probable town, the people that hopped on my wagon after him and drh likely have at least 1 scum in there, so chaoser/kita/bh. | ||
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/food for thought 2 players have been on the 2 major wagons of early day 1, chaoser and kita. Betting there's one scum in there. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you talking to me? Bad news for you: Nothing you've done has made me think you're town. Good news for you; Nothing you've done has made me think you're scum. Bad news for you: Everything you've done so far has made me think you're bad. ♫ You're so vain, I bet you think this post is about you ♫ | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote: maybe I should post that nice collection of couples therapy quotes it'd probably give the thread a laugh. Whatcha think? If it has anything to do with the game at all, then do it. If not, make a new thread for everyone to laugh at me in! | ||
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Tyrran's post suggested he would be active and playing, hence the unvote. | ||
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Now since then he's got worse, one thing he said especially leaps out at me Oh and btw I agree with wbg on the matter that I can't read redFF properly. There's also a bunch of other players I don't think I'm capable to read that good. I read this as "here's my excuse for why I won't be giving many reads this game"It's one of the scummies things said so far and something I'm fine with wagoning. | ||
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On February 22 2012 00:25 kitaman27 wrote: For transparency's sake, please do so in the future.Without announcing it in the thread? lol you act as if I'm voting you without ever mentioning you. Who cares if I post it in the thread. Yes, I voted tyrran in the first post of the game. I do that in most games. Do you believe that's scummy? No, I never said it did.Yes, I attacked you for your discrepancy in opinion, does that make me scummy? It would be a discrepancy in opinion If I had said it 2 days ago, but I said it 4 months ago, it's a misrep. WHAT CHANGED IN 4 MONTHS? A lot, actually...Have any of the reasons in your omgus vote pointed to me being scummy? Calling it an omgus is purposely framing it in a scummy light to make me look bad, noted.You pushed a policy lynch and immediately backed off an hour into the game after getting in trouble. You didn't even mention that you still wanted to lynch tyrran. my vote was still on him. Instead it took my questioning for you to even bring it up. My vote was still on him. If tyrran was your preferred lynch, why did you switch to me hours later? You said you dropped tyrran because you didn't think you could get him lynched. Just answered your own question, also his post gave me hope that he would be active. Does that mean you're more confident that you can push my lynch? Or is it that you are simply attacking your attacker? Lol if I was going to attack my attacker wouldn't I have voted VE or drh? Not some "me too!" shitty wagoner.You discredited the ability to scum hunt on day one, I didn't discredit it its the truth, day 1 is the hardest day to get a scum lynch.push a policy lynch because of a mafia epiphany, drop the policy lynch because you were simply generating discussion, go back to supporting the policy lynch after being questioned, false, my vote didn't leave until after your questioning of me. and then swap to the guy who is questioning the policy lynch. Is this you framing yourself as the great attacker of the policy lynch? No that would be VE and drh, you just tagged along.Nap time. As much as I enjoy talking about red, I'll try to look at everyone else when I wake up. ENJOY | ||
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You wily old fox you. | ||
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Do you think blazinghand's current vote is backed up by a good case or do you still expect him to go with a policy lynch. Guess I'll do my own happy to lynch list. kita toad prplhz(where is he) layabout | ||
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Layabout is bad because he berated dirkzor for not finding 3+scum and hasn't stated a read all game. | ||
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On February 22 2012 04:17 Blazinghand wrote: ##Vote: RebirthofLegend probably mafia | ||
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On February 22 2012 04:19 Blazinghand wrote: yeah thats why i voted him I meant you. | ||
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I still have 3 votes on me, and am leading in votes. Kita wagon obviously isn't gonna go anywhere. Voting Toad, join me VE/jitsu/anyone else. | ||
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I won't be on much tomorrow so if i'm still leading in votes I'll claim before I go to bed tonight. | ||
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On February 22 2012 06:26 Blazinghand wrote: RoL imo. redFF may be worthless but at least he's posting Since when did you get to call me bad? After sleeper cell 2? | ||
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tracker now usually we don't lynch a blue day 1 but i dunno i've been wrong about a lot this game it seems. I don't see how thats scummy VE, chowser has been attacking dirkzor for a while and his attacks on him seem a lot stronger than his attacks on me have been. I still don't see how what wbg said was scummy. Jackal said he thought toad was scum. I took a look at toads filter. I had similar thoughts. Later I give some reasoning to those thoughts. Jackal then says he never thought toad was scum. I call him a wily old fox for tricking us all in such a way. | ||
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Yes that's exactly what i expect. | ||
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If i claimed with 12 hours left the wagon might have gotten too big and people may have not gotten back in time to unvote. | ||
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On February 22 2012 07:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Cool cool. So how do you propose this works where you claim tracker and can confirm it? You claim your tracks every night? I can't wait for the "I was roleblocked" to come out D2 like it almost certainly will, and you could also claim that you saw nothing while tracking someone which is null unless they counterclaim that they had an action, at which point you out a blue. But lets look at it from the if-you-are-a-townie perspective. Now you need to claim your targets everyday and what you saw which will out blues and if you don't claim it we can't believe you. If you claim roleblock we can't know if you are telling the truth. So congrats, your "easy to confirm" role screws us more than helps us. Now you put us in a kill you to keep the game straightforward scenario since we can't discern your real alignment. heh, if i claimed roleblocked erryday then feel free to lynch me. I don't know what else you would want me to do? Not claim and let town lynch a powerful blue role day 1? | ||
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On February 22 2012 07:23 redFF wrote: Explain how everything I've done has scum motivations wbg. | ||
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On February 22 2012 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't explain shit to scum to help them defend themselves, sorry. wat | ||
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Bugs how would explaining how everything I've done has scum motivations help me defend myself. I think its just a phrase you threw out to make your vote seem legit. | ||
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inb4 lol, AtE, drama queen, w/e, you're a fucking dick and you actively drive people from this forum. peace. | ||
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