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On February 29 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 07:13 Dirkzor wrote: Okay now you're just sprouting non-sense. Why waste a Vig on me... you almost got WBG convinced to lynch me today... Why not just lynch me tomorrow..
Vigs: Shoot DrH. Save time, shoot you tonight and lynch BC tomorrow
Would love to see your new reasons for this. I have yet to see anyone post a decent analysis of why I should be lynched this game. As a note I also can't defend myself if no case is presented aside from "lynch this guy".
On February 29 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, I'll respond to your post soon. I have to say though, calling me out for lack of contribution is...guy it's fucking offensive coming from you this game. Yes, I disappeared for 2 days. Yes, I got excited after my case on WBG and ignored the other people I said I'd look into. When these things become indicative of me pushing an agenda, you go ahead and push me for lynch - until then, I suggest you get in here and look for actual scum. .
My intention wasn't to be offensive. It was merely that you called people out for things that you were also guilty of. Are your levels of inactivity as high as a ton of players in this game (myself included on that list) no, however mentioning that you were guilty of to a degree what you were calling people out for is required in my eyes. You're contributions you have made have been cases on people but none of those people have been lynched. In one case you voted for a player who to my knowledge you never made a case on. If you took it offensively I am sorry, but when I see scummy play in forms I call it out. As for looking for scum, I did not see at any point in time prpl pushing pro town ideals and saw him sheeping others hardcore along with other issues. Did he flip town? Yes, which sucks massive dick, however he was playing so bad he looked scum.
On February 29 2012 00:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 23:56 prplhz wrote: I'm going to cut in here.
Why are we only looking for 3 scum?
Who would bus who day1 and appear on who's voting list?
What? Because redFF was scum. WBG would bus redFF. Hey BC, how was it being the second in the lynch race D1? Would they cover up Your body? Sucked massive goat dick. As for if mafia would cover up my body (if they have said role which seems likely based on continued flips since that post), I would take a gander at saying yes as it would waste the entire days worth of discussion and thus put us in a similar spot day 2 where it felt like day 1 all over again. I have no way of confirming if mafia would or would not actually cover my flip but it seems likely whichever person was lynched day 1 was most likely having that happen given redff not flipping. This is of course reliant on a role being used and not some weird wtf bit with redff's role not flipping for other reasons.
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Ok, I have had to think rather deeply on how to proceed today. The game is far to close due to retardedness of dirkzor and given that work has been absorbing near all my time I knew I would be around for very little and this day would be far too serious to ignore.
I have had to think over who is the best lynch for the day. Someone who obviously has done 0 for the town by being inactive / skirting modkills or someone who has been active in thread while pushing in my opinion scummy agendas.
Obviously I am not the person anyone is looking to for general guidance this game as my track record is less than stellar however I have honestly come down to the options of toad and RoL for similar reasons near everyone else is. My only issue with today is someone near as inactive as myself is the one heavy pushing the lynch of RoL which is almost tossing the analysis and play of toad completely off the grid. This irks me completely as kita has sat back and not done much overall this game. I kinda get why other people feel fishy about me now because of it. RoL feels like a townie who doesn't give a shit whos an easy misslynch, or someone mafia is ready to off since town reads are mostly fubar'd. As such I am going to stay off RoL. Lynching a basically inactive player at this point regardless of how we feel about them is less optimal at hitting a scum player directing our lynches. Given that this lynch is as important as it is and given that the moment drH died people mass pushed on RoL and tried to take the heat off of toad I'm going to trust for the one time in my life drH's read purely based on how the thread has moved since then.
If I am wrong on this I am forever fucking sorry, but given spectacularly bad play and general pro mafia stances I am moving onto toad.
##vote toad
I am going to work, and I work a split today so should be back for like an hour before my second shift at like 1-2pm if i am lucky. So depending on progression on thread I may swap my vote but as the thread stands now toad imo is best lynch.
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Anyone saying kita is potentially scum is not in the total wrong. I say this because of up until the this past day he did not actually perform in any way that helped town. I say this for similar reasons anyone here could point at me for being potentially scum. Not contributing from either of us. Yes he did in fact push RoL today, however, that does in no way clear him at all. Why do I say this? Because in the case he is red he has just single handedly won the game for his team. Also, RoL was on near everyone's scumlist at some point throughout this game yet he never died till actively harassed now.
Someone coming out on the most critical day of a game and claiming a dt role (he claims he dies if he checks red, but aside from day 1 he never once helped town by making similar posts or crumbs). Instead he opts to sit back and for the most part never contributes. (again i am guilty of this).
He actively asks mafia in thread to put him out of his misery in regards to this game. This is not the behaviour of someone who has town interests at heart, he has not crumbed any of his checks aside from day 1 check which is again not very helpful, he has also claimed a role that not only would confirm townies but out mafia at the cost of just himself. Rather than continuing to aid the town all game he instead comes out when its mylo and "confirming himself" This same guy who miscounted # of town players in this game, and the same guy who apparently miscounted votes as well. He did push RoL lynch and RoL did flip red but this to me is not indicative of his alignment, nor imo of the alignment of anyone on the RoL wagon. Why? Simple. RoL would have been dead weight at this point in time in terms of how he has played all game. There would have been no feasible way for mafia to have kept him alive all game and thus pushing him now at mylo would be the best time to ever do so. It would insta get town cred for near all of members who voted him, as well as damn anyone who did not.
Given the circumstances of this game I honestly felt that RoL was in a similar position to mine which was total lack of motivation combined with work / school taking up time. This game has honestly felt exactly like pick your power 3 did for me. Reading near every post in this game aside from random gems has been painful and downright demoralizing. A player like toad could be town, however has played so badly he seems scum. A player like VE who is generally considered horrible is making more sense than most people. Well known players who are expected to perform well spend the entire game waffling around or calling themselves bad, newbies don't post, people actively trolling the game, etc... All the scummiest people I have had on my radar have had a hidden flip, and two townies. Towns playing at a level that makes them indistinguishable from scum is something I don't ever want to play in. Especially given that if I am repeatedly wrong much like I have been thus far I will get lynched or night shot by a vig for it. Factor all that in there is 0 motivation to use my free time for the most part in this game.
The only reason I am speaking out at all right now is purely because town can potentially save itself from itself and needs to take everything into perspective. I am not telling you to believe me when I say I am town, I merely can say it and hope you will. However keep in mind that the behaviour I have shown is near identical to at least one other player thus far this game who claimed one of the most pro town roles I have heard of in recent months and opted to be a total apathetic person to town. When all you have to do is post at the end of a cycle "if I die x is red" or the like with such little effort, why would you not?
I finish a 9 day work streak tommorrow sometime in the afternoon which will end my 50ish hour work week. If the town keeps playing as it has this past game day I will be active for as long as It is decided I will be allowed to survive. If it falls back into the previous playstyle of the more recent days I make no promises to be active however.
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On March 03 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote: The only thing I don't like about BC is that he's been inactive as hell, but as he's explained that and as I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game, I think it's understandable he has no motivation to post. GOD QUIT SAYING SCUMMY THINGS Saying shit like "I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game" is scummy as fuck bugs. Like, why? Why do you think it's okay to sign up for a game only to lose interest when people herp and derp around? THAT'S A FUCKING GIVEN IN THIS GAME! The community is growing, meaning we have a lot of new players who don't know what is and isn't indicative of alignment, and saying something like this only serves to breed apathy among the newer players, MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE, NOT BETTER. Apathy is NOT OKAY guys! Scum are NOT just going to tell us who they are, we have to KEEP TRYING NO MATTER HOW HOPELESS. Or give up. Does anyone just want to GIVE the game to scum? I don't. /rant Thanks for your thoughts bugs. I'm sure they'll be further illuminating come dawn.
Why do players expect players to invest time into a game when everyone else is herp derping? There is no logical reason a person would put their personal time into a game where people don't give a shit at all and spend all their time either purposely or not purposely pissing people off and ruining the fun of the game. Why would anyone invest their time and effort and attempt to do something that no one gives a shit about? Near no one, its fighting an uphill battle that near no one would want to deal with it. This game also included invites to respected vet players as well as respected newbies. Everyone was expected to play well and I only joined as palmar said this would be different from near every game where people act like retards and make the game unenjoyable. It so far has not been and has had worse overall play than in AC where i facepalmed as a host at both town and mafia near consistently. Players opting to just not play a game that no one cares about anyway is clearly logical and even if you say it continues the problem you mention in a game that had heavy invites with very little people let to sign up means players should not be herp derping period as that continues apathy far more than players just opting to say fuck it and do other things.
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On March 03 2012 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 11:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 03 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 03 2012 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote: The only thing I don't like about BC is that he's been inactive as hell, but as he's explained that and as I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game, I think it's understandable he has no motivation to post. GOD QUIT SAYING SCUMMY THINGS Saying shit like "I see no reason for anyone to actually want to play this game" is scummy as fuck bugs. Like, why? Why do you think it's okay to sign up for a game only to lose interest when people herp and derp around? THAT'S A FUCKING GIVEN IN THIS GAME! The community is growing, meaning we have a lot of new players who don't know what is and isn't indicative of alignment, and saying something like this only serves to breed apathy among the newer players, MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE, NOT BETTER. Apathy is NOT OKAY guys! Scum are NOT just going to tell us who they are, we have to KEEP TRYING NO MATTER HOW HOPELESS. Or give up. Does anyone just want to GIVE the game to scum? I don't. /rant Thanks for your thoughts bugs. I'm sure they'll be further illuminating come dawn. Why do players expect players to invest time into a game when everyone else is herp derping? There is no logical reason a person would put their personal time into a game where people don't give a shit at all and spend all their time either purposely or not purposely pissing people off and ruining the fun of the game. Why would anyone invest their time and effort and attempt to do something that no one gives a shit about? Near no one, its fighting an uphill battle that near no one would want to deal with it. This game also included invites to respected vet players as well as respected newbies. Everyone was expected to play well and I only joined as palmar said this would be different from near every game where people act like retards and make the game unenjoyable. It so far has not been and has had worse overall play than in AC where i facepalmed as a host at both town and mafia near consistently. Players opting to just not play a game that no one cares about anyway is clearly logical and even if you say it continues the problem you mention in a game that had heavy invites with very little people let to sign up means players should not be herp derping period as that continues apathy far more than players just opting to say fuck it and do other things. Because you signed up to play BC. I'm sorry the standard of play hasn't been to your liking. Seriously, I'm sorry we've disappointed you on the whole. But that does NOT excuse apathy. Seriously, it doesn't. Get replaced if you can't take the idiocy. Even if it results in a ban, you sound like that doesn't even matter to you. I'd rather have someone in here actually trying than someone in here constantly bitching about how stupid everyone is and how they shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
Apathy isn't a valid replacement reason nor is what I feel as bad play or a bunch of trolls reason either. Essentially once the bad play began I had no choice but to stay. Do you understand what I mean? Out of how many people in this game how many have you read posts from and gone "wow that guy is being logical and intelligent, he might be wrong but at least hes trying" I have seen that from only a few people this game. In the case of yourself that was not what I was expecting and was very surprised and very happy to see. However players who (much like myself) had the expectations of far more did near nothing but troll or basically say fuck this game im out.
The only game I have ever seriously tried as town in this atmosphere was not fun to play. It was not fun for me, it was not fun for mafia, it was not fun for anyone else in the town. Why would I push myself to play a game to the level required to attempt to counterbalance the wtfness of a game when all it might net me in the end is a win in a game that I no longer enjoyed nor anyone else did purely because I wanted to win. If there is no joy in doing so there is no point in actually doing it.
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On March 03 2012 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Also, I'm not widely regarded as horrible am I? Dramatic I'd believe...but horrible?
You're reads much like drH's are known to be suspect based on how easily you guys tend to have your opinions swayed by others.
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On March 03 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote: lol don't let yourself get worked up VE, they are clutching at straws.
BC comes to make his largest post of the thread, explaining how I'm scum because I just led the lynch against the only red flip the entire game. Funny out of all the players who voted today, both BC and bugs decide I'm the one coming out looking the worst. RoL was on his scum list the entire game and toad he never commented on, yet when it came down to voting, he was on the wrong side, even after my green check.
So? I was one of the first people in the game to ever add pressure to him thus putting him in the spotlight ultimately that got him lynched. This does in no way confirm my alignment. Pushing a lynch on a player behaving as RoL was does not make you town either. You have a super pro town role that based on actions in thread was no used in said fashion, and you have, much like myself, cared near 0 for the outcome of this game overall. Do either of these things make you scum? Not necessarily however they don't make you town either.
I am saying that the timing of your claim + the overall lack of townlike use of it + being so inactive are things that do make you suspect. You essentially claimed a role to divert a lynch to your selection with no actual proof aside from one post that could mean a breadcrumb to your role or not. You play this game has been less than stellar and overall based on your attitude the sudden return to thread and become a near confirmed townie in 1 day is staggering. Look at yourself in the mirror based on all you have done and realize why I would suspect you at all. I am no outright saying "kita is scum" I am however saying the possibility is there given your play up till this day. Do you not think that is basically logical way to look at it?
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as a note I am heading to bed now as I have to be up for work in 5.5 hours. I will be gone from 6am est - early to mid afternoon and should be around then barring unforseen circumstances. I will attempt to make my thoughts clear given the situation we are in and depending on how the game continues will determine how much effort i put in.
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On March 04 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: If I die, don't throw things away. Don't fall for an appeal to emotion or fear mongering. I wouldn't be surprised if the scum team comes up with some sort of convenient role claim tomorrow to somehow prove they are town or prove that another player must be scum. Even if the scum team were to use a kp on themselves, I probably wouldn't buy it.
Here are the facts: bugs claimed to be a weak doctor protecting me. As he lived, he would know 100% that I am town. I roleclaimed to him in the thread informing that toad was green. In response, he refused to move his vote despite the role claim. He tried to argue that the player he admitted couldn't be scum was lying to him. Upon RoL's flip, he comes up with some conspiracy story how he was roleblocked and came to the conclusion that I must be scum, not the people who were refusing to kill RoL.
He claims to be a weak doctor, but never breadcrumbs his role. Knowing that he could flip weak doctor, he tells us to kill DrH upon death, not his target syllo. He scum slipped in the quicktopic, revealing that mafia only had 1 kp on night one. He clearly states that he thinks RoL is scum, yet refuses to vote for him even after the green check.
BC has been pushing mislynch after mislynch jumping on bandwagons for really weak reasons. After saying he would be willing to vote RoL yesterday, he refuses at LYLO. Look at the day one events how all his scumbuddies had to vote together to save him. That is why red's flip was masked. I expect he will put more effort into the game now to defend himself, than to actually hunt for scum the previous 4 days.
Save Layabout for last. Remember that the qt partners can be guessed or that a mafia could pass along the correct pairing.
I have a green check on cwave. He is confirmed town.
You do realize I have yet to push a lynch? The only one you could say I pushed was prpl as I was the first person to vote for him, however I never "pushed" his lynch as in I was not the one heavily trying to get him lynched. I did not push the redff lynch, although I did join it as his play was terrible. I was on the bh lynch and again because he screamed scum. I however have not orchestrated these lynches, nor was I pushing mislynch after mislynch.
You are using the wrong choice of words. I was on mislynches, you were on 1 yourself, claimed your #1 scum read in the thread was someone you made a case on then didn't vote for. (prpl). As for actually scum hunting? You have yet to scum hunt correctly as RoL is someone no single player can take credit of. How many people called him out for his behaviour? Any mafia would want him dead as he would be dead weight at this point in time, and any town would want him dead.
You make some comment about wbg never crumbing his role, guess what, you "crumbed" once and then opted to never do so thereafter. You also only released your check on a player who had already died and flipped green which is far to convenient.
As for your argument upon if i was scum and it required my entire team to save me, what would it matter if mafia could hide a flip? Town would be in the same place day 1 as my alignment would never have been revealed. However, the case could have been exactly as some of us analyzed where redff was actually mafia and mafia chose to hide his flip to keep town confused. I am town so it would make sense to cover my flip as well to keep town guessing. You cannot make an alignment based decision around the case of "well the only reason x was covered was to keep x alive" That is wifom.
Why do you make such flimsy arguments against me? Your behaviour this game is as bad as mine is. I am not saying "everyone believe me I am town" because honestly based on my play there is not reason to unless I step it up, however you are guilty of the same shit if not worse. Hell, you were so certain based on your voting pattern that RoL was scum but you never once confirmed this with your power, you believe myself to be mafia but for all you have claimed in thread you have not checked me. It stands to reason using very simple logic that you would be (if town) willing to trade yourself to confirm one of the more well respected players as either red or town. If you confirmed someone in thread as town mafia is then forced into a situation in how to deal with the claims / confirmation. If you ever flipped you're flip would be all the proof required. Instead you have claimed a check on jackal, toad, and cwave. Why would anyone with the power to take out one of the best mafia players / confirm a solid town player opt to choose for a player who is lurking like cwave or acting erratically like toad? Why is it that if you were so sure of you're own reads that you didn't confirm a new player last night or get a mafia killed for sure?
Also with the fact that cwave and jitsu at this moment in time don't have a pm from palmar saying they are mason'd then it seems there is most likely a roleblocker in this game. Yet you discount that you could have ever been roleblocked and thus all your checks are 100% accurate. You say that wbg is scummy since he used his power on ve when he could have died and then mafia would have killed bugs + used 2kp? How do you know for a fact they have 2 kp? I saw 0 deaths last night, 0 deaths night 1, 2 night 2, and 1 night 3. How do you know their full kp if no one else does?
You talk about the poisoner before the poisoner flipped, you talked about a roleblocker before it was essentially outted in thread (well before), you then discount that roleblocker would ever target you. You then use your role in a very wtf manner given how good it is. You display far more knowledge than you should in this setup, you talk about roles that were not confirmed and talk in absolutes in regards to mafia kp and the like yet ignore the lack of kills to support your claims. Based on all this the only conclusion I can come to is that you are not town. If you can somehow refute this and change my mind then I will be likely to believe you but as things stand now I cannot.
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On March 04 2012 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: kita, please answer the question you never answered in the QT:
if you're actually what you say you are why wouldn't you check syllo n1? Why not syllo n2? Why not me?
Because I chose to check jackal instead. Then explain toad? Explain cwave of all people? You are obviously picking people who have a less likely chance of being shot who overall have very little impact on the game at hand in a pro town manner. Jackal? He flipped town and was acting scummy. Toad? he has been pushing people and has been wrong more than right given that he was on bad lynches as well as many others. Cwave? Replaced an inactive player only to be inactive himself. None of your checks actually bare any relevance on the game. You aren't attempting to catch reds given that you only "breadcrumbed" one check and have since just claimed to have cleared someone. As scum you can easily clear townies / clear your own team just as easily. Given that you also didn't want people to use their powers last night also screams anti town. Why? Because you are actively telling people who could potentially out you as what you are to not do so to keep yourself under cover.Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize I have yet to push a lynch? You do realize that isn't something that makes you pro-town right? It's day five and you have yet to push a lynch. Even in this post, you are more interested in defending yourself than suggesting who we should target moving forward. I have actually been defending and analyzing people. I have yet to heavy heavy push people. However given that you only pushed a lynch near everyone wanted and aside from that never have you are again as guilty as I am. You can keep pointing your finger at me but you are guilty of the same behaviour and thus in the same boat. The difference is you presume to believe otherwise. Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You have yet to scum hunt correctly as RoL is someone no single player can take credit of. How many people called him out for his behaviour? Any mafia would want him dead as he would be dead weight at this point in time, and any town would want him dead. Then why were you and bugs so dedicated to keep him alive? If everyone wanted him dead, why did you refuse to vote for him? Instead, you're voting for a player who you have never commented over the player you indicated you found as scum. Simple. With very very very little kick back from a lynch the lynch will near always hit a townie. Given that it was potentially a mylo situation why would I opt for the "easy" lynch when instead vote to get someone I feel has a higher chance of flipping red die? I voted for a player I believe to be playing actively against the towns best interest. RoL where being inactive and unhelpful was not near as damaging as a player who was active and actively cluttering the game with useless posts.Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You make some comment about wbg never crumbing his role, guess what, you "crumbed" once and then opted to never do so thereafter. You also only released your check on a player who had already died and flipped green which is far to convenient. I released my check before he died. It was only safe once to crumb because from then on I was open to roleblock. Yes, I could have been roleblocked on day one, but the risk/reward made it worth it. I've revealed my green check on cwave last night. You assume there is a roleblocker. You assume that if you only crumbed the once that you would never be roleblocked after that if there is a roleblocker. The chances of you being roleblocked at any given time were still possible yet you treat all your "checks" as if they were auto confirmed. They are in fact not. If mafia has a roleblocker you could have been roleblocked. If a medic protected you it stands to reason that if you checked a red you would not die? If that is false then you would have to clarify. However it is possible night actions kept you alive when your check actually hit a red. You do not talk about this, instead act as if your checks were 100%. This is just not true Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Your behaviour this game is as bad as mine is. I am not saying "everyone believe me I am town" because honestly based on my play there is not reason to unless I step it up, however you are guilty of the same shit if not worse. lol You should laugh, being in the same boat as me when i play badly is never fun Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hell, you were so certain based on your voting pattern that RoL was scum but you never once confirmed this with your power, you believe myself to be mafia but for all you have claimed in thread you have not checked me. Checking RoL would have resulted in my death. There is little reason for me to sacrifice myself, when I can get him lynched during the day. Why would I check a scum suspect? I am looking to confirm town players, not kill myself off. I don't need to check you to confirm you as mafia. You did not know checking him would have resulted in your death unless you knew this BEFORE HIS LYNCH. Instead you could "assume checking him would have resulted in my death". However again you did not check players who were "scummy" yet had a high % chance of flipping town. You opted for people who would be unlikely to get shot. As for looking to confirm town? Near every dt starts by confirming decent players or damning them. You have not done this. Until the potential mylo stage where you were herp derping around your life to get a top level mafia player insta killed would have been worth the trade as instead of multiple misslynches a mafia would have died early. Your point is invalid.Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would anyone with the power to take out one of the best mafia players / confirm a solid town player opt to choose for a player who is lurking like cwave or acting erratically like toad? Why is it that if you were so sure of you're own reads that you didn't confirm a new player last night or get a mafia killed for sure? That's not a serious question right? If I checked a player and died it would have been 3v3 if hits went through. You would have liked that, wouldn't you. Except you are not saying why you would not have checked a better player the two nights previous. Why on n2 did you not go "hmm i see x y and z are all big names and if town would be helpful and if mafia would die instantly and thus put town in a better spot" Lynching 1 mafia earlier in the game would have kept town from this retarded spot we are currently in. You had this power yet did not do so, why? Why would you wait till the worst possible situation for town to be in to walk in and begin "confirming" people with your power. Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also with the fact that cwave and jitsu at this moment in time don't have a pm from palmar saying they are mason'd then it seems there is most likely a roleblocker in this game. Yet you discount that you could have ever been roleblocked and thus all your checks are 100% accurate. It's really annoying to have to deal with confirmed townies isn't it. Your scumbuddy bugs is saying that he got roleblocked when protecting me as a weak doctor. Can't have it both ways. I am merely pointing out that you don't talk about the possibility. If you keep pointing out how mafia roles could be intereacting with other peoples powers you should be doing the exact same thing in your own posts. Why? Transparency. Town has no reason to not be transparent yet you are trudging along like you are confirmed town. There is actually no way to confirm anything you have said thus far except in death. You and I both know this yet you don't mention it. By not mentioning the actual facts here you are hiding information from the town and thus showing you are playing only for yourself. Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You say that wbg is scummy since he used his power on ve when he could have died and then mafia would have killed bugs + used 2kp? How do you know for a fact they have 2 kp? I saw 0 deaths last night, 0 deaths night 1, 2 night 2, and 1 night 3. How do you know their full kp if no one else does? Lets not play dumb. Are you saying you can't look at the setup and say scum has at least 1kp + RoL's poison from last night? You talked about their KP as if it was a static # not a variable one. You also were doing this before RoL flipped. Don't use information garnered via a death to confirm previous statements before said death. Also, speaking in absolutes implies you had information before it was revealed which again is something a townie would not know.Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You talk about the poisoner before the poisoner flipped, you talked about a roleblocker before it was essentially outted in thread (well before), you then discount that roleblocker would ever target you. You then use your role in a very wtf manner given how good it is. Yep confirming the player that was about to get lynched at lylo is an extremely wtf manner of use. You had no way of knowing who was going to get lynched. You also held onto that check when he was receiving heat for days about it. Why did you not claim before DrH got gunned down by a town vig to stop the train there? You had many opportunities to "clear" said player well before the lylo stage given that at this point in time you had 4 checks available to use and instead have only claimed 3? You had that check by reason on toad beginning of day 3 and instead sat back and waited. Seems pretty sketch to me Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you can somehow refute this and change my mind then I will be likely to believe you but as things stand now I cannot. I don't need to refuse this. My actions and yours already have. Your actions are actually the reasons for my posts. Thus yes you do have to refute this. Aside from pushing a lynch that was not actually your own you have been playing as terribly as I have. Anyone who actually goes through your posts and reads them would actually understand this. You just happen to be lucky that town likes to auto believe claimers. The biggest question left to town today is if bugs or BC has the better mafia role to get rid of.
responses are in bold
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[QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:51 kitaman27 wrote: [QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:44 Jitsu wrote: But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum. [QUOTE]
If me, Tyrrann, and Cwave are all scum, then why do we all vote RoL yesterday?
If all the town players are on the mislynch and all the scum players are on the legit lynch, then why isn't the game over? You're looking for conspiracy theories instead of looking at logic. You shouldn't have to go with your gut, there is more than enough evidance supporting the fact that wherebugsgo is scum.
I'll respond to BC at 4pm Est, but I have to go to a talk right now.[/QUOTE]
thats wifom. Mafia would have every reason to off RoL yesterday just as town would have reasons. -_- Seriously dude you know this.
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On March 06 2012 05:33 Jitsu wrote: @Kita?
yea. i was responding to kita
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On March 06 2012 06:32 kitaman27 wrote: BC, feel free to make a statement about bugs within the next 30 minutes. I'd like to hear your opinion regarding why you think he is town since you have somehow managed to dodge the question the entire cycle.
I haven't made a case for or against him the entire day. IMO he could flip either town or mafia, my issue atm is a player who has been actively anti town who randomly appears when the game is down to the wire to start pushing lynches. There would be no reason for you to wait for so long into the game to do what you are doing. Why would I make a case for or against him when near no one is pushing back about it? Why has near no one discussed tons of things this agme is baffling
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Also, as im sure no one has bothered to think of it, but currently we know of 3 blues that have flipped, and we have currently 4 more claimers -_-
If redff turned out to be town then that would be 4 claimers. That would end up being a total of 8 blue roles by my count? vs having 4 mafia? Seems to me that there are multiple fake claimers -_-
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On March 06 2012 06:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 06:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I haven't made a case for or against him the entire day. IMO he could flip either town or mafia Well he is today's lynch target. Strange you don't have an opinion about him. Seems kinda relevant. Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 06:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: my issue atm is a player who has been actively anti town who randomly appears when the game is down to the wire to start pushing lynches. You referring to yourself? :p
Actually referring to you
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On March 06 2012 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: Additionally, I wasn't informed what would happen if I was third party which means there likely isn't one in this game. If you notice in my post about jackal, I mentioned he was "non-scum" referring to the fact he could be black.
In that same regard, then both of your previous checks could be a potential third party as well yet you are calling them confirmed town -_-
The more you talk about your role and how much you left out of your posts is astounding.
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On March 06 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote:how do you know that? Do you have more information than I do? On a more serious note: BC next no matter what or laya if his calls are bullshit? Yeah either Laya or Tyrran are probably going to be roleblocked anyways but that gives our medic another chance to engage hero mode. Of course that medic only exists if mafia shot yesterday and did not decide to try and save wbg.
Because he is not playing with the same information that you do, there is only one possible explanation for that -_-
To give everyone a bit of food for thought here.
Assume that redff was a misslynch (as everyone already seems to) and he claimed tracker. He had no reason to lie so lets assume its legit for a second.
Blazinghand was a floridian
Syllogism was an alchemeist
DrH was the forensic expert
Dirkzor was the suicide bomber
We know that there exists a role called operator or phone operator that masons two people daily. That currently is 6 blue roles.
We have 2 people claiming operator, and we have two people claiming
kita as coward
and toad as avenger.
That would make 8 blue roles for town vs 4 mafia who at this point provided the day 1 flip was mafia covered 4 roles. Given that most of the flipped roles were day acting powers (which makes the roleblocker very near useless) it seems unlikely that we have more than 6 roles.
Now, everyone will be like "stop spouting nonsense, or shut up scum" or the like. But seriously think this through. Toad claimed a role that conveniently missed. Kita claimed a role that doesn't make sense given the name he claimed of his role. He claimed a role only at mylo (he had his check earlier).
Yet both these players are viewed as confirmed. Neither can prove what they say is true and it is pure belief from everyone that they are. Do any of you now see why I view roleclaimers as instantly suspect? There is a reason that the personality role linked to me is shooting roleclaimers. Of toad and kita, I believe both to be lying as that would make more town blue roles than town green roles and it would be double the amount of mafia which also seems unlikely.
As such of the two of them one may be actually real. I strongly doubt this but it is possible. As such I strongly believe that there is a red between kita and toad, and a red between layabout and tyrran.
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Well, given that I am dying. Good game guys, with my lynch town loses.
Given that no one has even blinked an eye at the fact we currently have more people claiming blue roles / have flipped blue roles of not only mafia, but also vanilla town. The scum/third party has just won this game. GG to kita as I believe that person is you based on behaviour / your obviously fucked up claim. Cowards would never investigate people.
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On March 12 2012 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:
yes, the lion would not even visit someone else, he would run and hide in fear. The only luck you have is people making retarded comments of "he is helping town so even if he is something like third party hes pro town" when in near every game anti town is just anti town.
Regardless good game bro, town loses.
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Also, lowest post count day evar
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