The lynch was between a person who was almost certainly town and thus blue (redff) and a person who at least had a chance of flipping scum. Pretty disappointed by your play since student mafia if you are town in this game too

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 14:31 GMT

#1042

It seems since then you've been more interested in lynching people who you don't like than actually trying to lynch scum

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 15:04 GMT

#1045

Thanks for that explanation actually and I shouldn't just expect you to agree with me on everything, but I know redff and the hosts (and thus can deduce what kind of role setups are unlikely) better than you, so I just hoped you would pay at least some attention to what I'm saying, especially in the light of our previous discussions. The case against redff was basically that he voted and unvoted.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 15:45 GMT

#1050

On February 25 2012 00:30 layabout wrote:

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I am paying attention to what you are saying. In fact i have constructed numerous posts that i did not feel were relevant enough that i have subsequently no posted to respond to you.

Last time i followed you was purgatory, (lay scum syllo town) and it lead to me posting a huge case on risk nuke(partially based on meta), me following you onto Erandorr (totally based on meta) in a last minute switch to kill town. Then the next day going back to risk who flipped town. Whilst i was trying to play like town, following your lead and killing Erandorr was very costly for town as day2 was a early mislynch and an extended night devoid of discussion. In that case i felt there were more compelling reasons to follow your reads, and it did not turn out well.

If i wish to improve then whilst i will definitely consider what more experienced or more skilled players say the only town i know will be me*, and i will have to make my own decisions, In this case it was to lynch redFF. The case on redFF was stronger than you are presenting it but it would be best not to dwell on that, unless you suddenly become certain of his alignment and we can better analyse the votes.

*with obvious role-based exceptions

I'm obviously wrong all the time and in this game have already likely been wrong and reassessed. Even now it's still possible that I'm wrong about redff, but I'm not adding caveats when the probability is very low, especially with the data we have since the lynch. Look at the final lynch vote spread and the lack of people attempting to move votes one way or another. Does it still look likely that scum was lynched day 1? Redff didn't even vote to save himself and he was not replaced after his "ragequit" (if that's the case and he wasn't just busy). It is very likely that his team would have known that he won't be posting anymore and requested to get him replaced before the deadline.

Anyway, my town reads are much more reliable than my scum reads, so when I argue against a lynch it's probably worth paying more attention.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 17:11 GMT

#1060

I find it quite difficult to believe that any town aligned person would consider DrH the best lynch today.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 18:53 GMT

#1069

It's safe to assume that mafia have to pick who they sent to perform their kills given palmar's comment in the mafia recruitement initiative thread

I forgot this because I normally always assume mafia sends a specific player to do the killing

If there is a tracker in a game that is pretty much always the case anyway

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 19:31 GMT

#1081

Blazing so any thoughts on RoL yet? Remember when I asked that last night and you said you were reading his filter but never actually said what you thought about it

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 19:36 GMT

#1083

Was it a power nap because you said that at 06:13 (KR forum time) and kept posting until at least 10:19

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 24 2012 19:41 GMT

#1092

He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.

I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 18:05 GMT

#1221

I think vote counts have to be reliable and as such roles with additional voting power are either completely transparent (x2 next to the player with the power) or semi-transparent (anonymous vote). He claims that his power is passive and thus it doesn't need to be activated, so one of these two should be true. It seems more likely that his power is not passive, though it seems rather pointless to lie about that at this point. I'm also leaning towards the conclusion that any extra voting power role in this setup would be a scum role, if it's a 14-4 setup with no third party.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 18:20 GMT

#1225

No I'm not saying at all that it's a townie role, just that I don't understand the motivation for lying, so perhaps he just didn't think it through. Either way, what I say suggests that he is indeed lying/scum.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 22:00 GMT

#1249

A vote switch to risk at this point would be ridiculously bad. Feel free to pressure him, but right now he feels like the easy mislynch target.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 22:06 GMT

#1253

Should have gone with RoL. I'm going to have complaints about the setup if the vote counts can't be trusted.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 22:11 GMT

#1256

It's very likely that there is an equivalent scum role, so until it is dead we should assume that scum have 5 votes

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 22:12 GMT

#1258

Don't listen to toad

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 25 2012 22:26 GMT

#1261

So what about RoL, Toad?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

March 13 2012 05:57 GMT

#2665

If it wasn't clear, bugs obviously lied about all my reads and to say I "trusted" bugs is a bit much, it was more a calculated risk arising from apathy. He claimed medic to me, which based on the lack of night kills seemed believable. I suppose two medic roles would have been too much, even with my role working the way it does

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

March 13 2012 08:47 GMT

#2670

Roles such as day vigs and suicide bombers generally do not have to fear being blocked by mafia, so there is little harm in announcing what you intend to do beforehand. It might even produce useful information. Please do not randomly day vig or suicide bomb unless you are really sure about yourself.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

March 13 2012 09:32 GMT

#2671

Also sheesh kita why would you be so cryptic about your role when the only way to win is to convince cwave that VE is the SK, which shouldn't have been difficult given his posts during the final night

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

March 13 2012 10:16 GMT

#2673

Well your role claim alone was pretty unbelievable in a setup where mafia has 1 kp and a poisoner