EPTOn March 12 2012 04:34 kitaman27 wrote:
I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Didn't you notice the storm?
I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Didn't you notice the storm?
I did notice your kill of toad but thats about it yo
Storm Mafia - Page 4
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
I did notice your kill of toad but thats about it yo | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
I apologize to my team for being selfish and not helping as much as I should have but I already explained my reasons to them. Bugs at least understands, and I believe layabout does as well. Let me be clear though. VE winning was the single best outcome of this game as neither the mafia team nor town played well. VE did fairly well the entire game while getting incredibly lucky in a few spots. Props to you again. The townies who did well, and by well I mean were logical, didnt spam, tried to keep town focus'd etc..., you know who you are and good job putting up with what you did. The rest of you who even if your "reads" were right but for the wrong reasons or said some of the most retarded things that got you lynched, played scummier than the reds, etc.... Please sit back and seriously think about your play while you play your next game. You guys have to follow basic logic and make coherent arguments or you just appear horrific. Kita although town claimed an outright lie in thread and I am pretty sure the only people who caught it in the game were scum and VE. Anyone who says lynching an sk is a bad move as the sk is playing pro town? You are retarded. Sk's are pro sk. They will help either side as needed to achieve their own win condition. Do not rely on them. When it hit 6v4 it was actually 5v4v1 and town could no longer win. It ended up being a game of determining if scum or sk won, the game should never reach that point so fast. | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 13 2012 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do I count in the latter half then? I feel like I started out really well and then as usual lost my confidence and threw it all away. Props to VE though, I'm pretty pissed about this game overall It's so frustrating to look back and see how right I was about BC RoL and WBG and then let myself get distracted by them and do the easy mislynches No you were following basic logic. If I were town I would have voted redff, blazinghand and one of prpl or ve. I would have heavily pushed RoL far more and potentially gone after him instead of prpl or ve but day 1 and 2 redff and bh were clearly the two most "scumlike" players in the game. The entire scumteam up until the last 4 lynches actually looked better overall than a ton of the town. Lynching a townie based on solid logic + good plays does not mean your bad, it means that player was bad. Town has no reason to appear like a mafia. You just need more confidence in yourself | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 13 2012 11:26 Toadesstern wrote: It was not about not lynching the sk, we just had no oppertunity to lynch him. We had a bunch of 100% confirmed mafias and we were in lylo. Yeah we were no longer able to win without a save but given that we needed a save lynching mafias first is the right thing because it gives us multiple nights to get that save while lynching the third party first is risky. I'm perfectly fine with telling people to not think about a "pro-town" 3rd party when we're at lylo as long as there's still mafia alive. We had 2 townies that were INCREDIBLE hard to get on the right lynch and I did not want to lose them to some manipulation from someone else and have people talking about alternatives when we really needed to hit mafia or it's an insta-lose. There was no way to win without protection. To get more chances to get that we obviously take the saver route and lynch mafia first. It's a closed set-up after all and noone knew about mafias abilities. Yeah it's a stupid thing to say a SK is "pro-town" but it got people lynching mafia which was needed. let me repeat, we did not have 100% confirmed mafia. Based on my general apathy I could have easily been town as I would have been as uncaring this game as town. You can say im bsing that but I repeatedly stated I was not going to play another pyp3 as it was not enjoyable in any shape or form and was far more frustrating than it was worth. Also, when you start flipping mafia and near everyone of them is telling you there is an sk? Guess what, it could be a ruse but more than likely THEY ARE TELLING TOWN THERE IS AN SK. The only reason a 4th misslynch didn't happen was people auto buy roleclaims. You claimed a role you could not prove except in death based on when you claimed it. Kita claimed a role that was obviously fake. Had he worded his claim slightly more carefully and not called himself a dt we almost certaintly would have outed someone else as the sk. Lynching RoL, and bugs were both smart lynches. The moment that tyrran flipped town should have instantly realized there was an sk. Why? Because we would never shoot a player that had a fraction of a possibility of being lynched over a mafia. No one discussed this and instead continued to lynch through the mafia suspects. I am not saying mafia played well as we didn't. But town played for the most part excusing very few players horrifically. | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 13 2012 11:35 VisceraEyes wrote: That means a lot coming from you two in particular, thanks. I told Palmar in PMs at the end of N5(?) that even if I don't win, I still win - it's not every game that I get hit N1 for my reads. Obviously I was under the impression that I was hit on N1, but I was RB'd all game for them so that's kinda the same thing. Luckily I'm widely regarded as being horrible, so killing me wasn't necessary.  We should have roleblocked + killed you. Basically you claimed to have a gun day 1 which led us to roleblock you. We then knew syllo or kita were the two best non scum players in the game and factored in that based on play day 1 syllo was more likely to get protection (lul he was the medic) so we opted to shoot kita. Bad luck that he was a hider. Most of our shots were actually thought out for decent reasons, we just had horrific luck. Knowing a confirmed alchemist gave kita a potion day 1 led us to shooting at him again for instance. Still you did well. I commented that you were doing well early on into the game and that still held true through it all. I am glad to see you have tried hard to improve and have done so. | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 13 2012 11:52 Toadesstern wrote: Well I said wbg, RoL and Laya are all like 99% confirmed mafia to me and you (BC) are something like 90% for me. When should we have lynched the sk instead? Cwave wasn't even sure who might be the sk the last possible day. You think lynching a day earlier to try and hit the sk instead of the mafia would have been better? That way people at least still got a full 48hours of reads because people finally started to talk, although it did not help. Trying to hit the SK instead of mafia would have been stupid. It would have been more risky, it would take away time to better judge the situation for people and after all it was a closed setup. Yeah it really looked like we got a third party but what if that (although reasonable) assumption would have been wrong? We would have lynched into a townie 100% making us lose. There was not a single reason to try and hit someone else first. You should never have had townies like prpl, redff, and blazing play worse games than any of the scum. We did near fuck all and appeared more town than they did. One or two bad players whatever. But seriously toad, aside from sheep other people you helped keep the thread so cluttered that analyzing people was insanely hard + created an atmosphere that made the game hard to read/keep motivated to play. I know you love this game, and I love seeing that passion. I love that you are trying to get better and I see that. But you need to slow down your posting, take a step back and seriously think things through. The same can be said of a few other players this game but you lived longer. Your claim was bad only in that you could never prove it. You auto confirmed kita as town when up till the point of his claim he had played as badly as I had for very similar reasons. Yet he was confirmed for a lynch that (although we didnt) mafia would easily have pushed. The complete ignoring of basic logical conclusions in a game of manipulation astounds me on so many levels. There is way to much blind trust. BH claimed people were like "hes legit" but his play was bad enough to get him lynched around his claim point Redff claimed and people said "hes obviously town" no he wasnt. Claiming does not mean you are town, ever, unless your role auto confirms you -_- | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 13 2012 13:05 Toadesstern wrote: I guess kita asking for a mass-claim was the one thing that made him think kita is the SK? IT could be interpreted like he wanted to have that information for "somthing" but him being a SK made little sense given the situation. kita lied about his role is also a huge one | ||
|
BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
| ||
| ||
