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@Toad
And and But are two real different things, there. I see what Jackal is looking at.
@Blazinghand
I don't need to say you're play sucks. You garnered four(?) votes yesterday because of you're poor play. Me saying that "Blazing is playing terribly this game" doesn't need to be stated again. I can't help it if you, or some other people, are too busy derping around the thread to actually contribute something solid to town discussion instead of derailing it into the ground. You've said it yourself in previous games: if you are a town, and you get lynched, it's you're own fault for acting so scummy.
@Risk.Nuke
I'll take that answer whenever you free yourself up, bro.
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Make a case on what? I said you are playing bad. I didn't say you are scum.
Guilty conscience?
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Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me.
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out.
Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor.
Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn.
Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud.
Lurks it the fuck up.
Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior?
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On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 06:16 Jitsu wrote:
Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me.
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out.
Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor.
Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn.
Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud.
Lurks it the fuck up.
Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior?
cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares
What in the fuck is your problem? Would you rather I sheep all my shit, or come up with my own thoughts?
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Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum?
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On February 25 2012 09:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 08:23 Jitsu wrote:
Except for the part where I said that i'm curious on my Dirkzor read, but you making a case against him affirms my position that I think he is playing scummy.
And that Risk.Nuke needs to step it up, because he is giving me negative vibes.
How is that saying "I have no real thoughts on these players?" Blazinghand starting to discredit me enough to make my thoughts invalid?
Do you think i'm scum? That's very wishy washy "I don't know really what to think about it and had no confidence in my read but a town player seems to agree so I'm confident now" sounds like scum who is unsure about their agenda hoping for town support
Or i'm not very confident in my scum-hunting ability, since I have only 4 games played total.
Take you're pick.
Also, you didn't answer my question. Do you think i'm mafia?
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And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another.
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On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are.
I didn't ask "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH." Don't play it up like I am blowing up in you're face. I said, Do you think i'm scum? I asked it for a reason.
The "sudden dearth of content and pressure" was due to me being busy most of the morning/afternoon until I got home, after lunch, with my girlfriend. Then I got on to post. I can't help it that there were 6 pages of "conversation" that was generated during that time. If that gives you cause to pressure, so be it.
What pressure? This is all in response to one fucking person saying "no one cares" about my post. Totally different from pressure. Again, you are trying to paint me in a negative light. I was responding to why DocH was being an absolute dick for almost no apparent reason, at least to my standards, and was questioning that - it had nothing to do with you until you voiced your unwanted opinion.
And even beyond that, if you have a scent of a scum player, are you seriously going to get off the trail? No. The Blazinghand I know wouldn't have "bigger fish to fry." You would go after it. And as for that, I don't like the way you have handled your entire game thus far, and since I like to hold people accountable for their stupid actions.
##vote: Blazinghand
On February 25 2012 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Need to read your filter to determine if you're bad town or mafia. I think RoL and BH are at the present time. I need to read your whole filter and I don't want to get unfocused and post a million reads right now, shit sucks for town when there are like 5 bandwagons.
Bad town play? Let's recap.
I do a decent enough job Day 1 to show other people in the thread that i'm a town player. How do I know? Because up until a page and a half ago, my name wasn't even mentioned, beyond risk.nuke saying he would support my lynch (which he has yet addressed) and Blazinghand trying to pull analysis out of me (which I then put out one post later).
That first analysis case, Dirkzor, was someone that you later decided to make a case on yourself. A lot of what you said was a lot of what I said, earlier.
So, bad town play? I'd say no, but that's up for others interpretation. But if my play is bad, what does it say about you're play?
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I'd be interested to see what you have to say about Toad, VE. I've been curious about him for awhile. He's playing non-normally for his meta; he looked pretty concerned about how things were going with the BH lynch in relation to his status within the town. Post away, son.
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Lol, it's funny how he has me third from the top when I have the same amount of filter as he does.
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@VE, the other thing yelling at me in the back of my mind is that BC is still alive. No one claimed a Jackal Vig shot, so I assume both Jackal and Syllo were mafia hits. Two shots on two town players - understandable. But they didn't even attempt to kill one of the better, more renowned town players?
That thought keeps creeping back into my mind.
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I could understand Syllo. I am curious to why Jackal was shot instead of them at least trying to shoot BC.
All WIFOM though. It's just a question mark in mah heads. I'm waiting to read VE's cases.
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On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:@Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today.
##vote Toadesstern
I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them.
You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this:
On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.
Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.
Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.
Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.
Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.
Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.
Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.
Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might.
make him think he's scum.
Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red?
@Toad,
You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game.
Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest.
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Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse?
I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game.
Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that.
You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though.
Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone.
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There is so much anti-town shit going up in here.
Dirkzor, according to you, Dr.H has so nothing in the past eight hours.
On February 27 2012 08:10 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 27 2012 07:47 Dirkzor wrote:On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote:
Toad, how could he answer your question?
he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful. If a vig hit Jackal I think they might as well claim so Agree. My point was basicly that I can't find a reason for scum to shoot jackal so I think it was a town hit.
On February 28 2012 02:35 Dirkzor wrote:
Only private? I was sergeant in real life =/
Is that list in order of who lurks the most?
On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.
Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.
Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.
Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.
Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.
Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.
Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.
Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might.
On February 28 2012 18:47 Dirkzor wrote:
Prplhz why do you want to remove focus from the players who are currently lynchtargets?
First you tried with Tyrran and no one supported you so now you want to lynch chaoser?
On February 28 2012 19:04 Dirkzor wrote:
You're inconsistent. You say that we should be able to get a decent read. Then you say you can't see any of them as scum. Are they all town then?
On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote:
While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier.
##Vote DrH
I just copy and pasted the entire last page to you're filter. It was painful, but I did it anyway.
Save the last two posts (which are attacking a player who is actively contributing to the town) you have given us absolutely nothing.
Nothing.
All of the shit near the top is fluff. You are speculating (much like I was) but you were building on it. Trying to take off with it and run, and push it deeper into the ground. Looking back, I was lost and trying to contribute to the thread somehow, but you try to almost ENCOURAGE this kind of shit, and make it look like you are at least trying to contribute.
Then, when the speculation is over, you stop and disappear.
Then you post a fucking Q&A that leads you to the conclusion that you have a null read on DrH. But, the point of the entire thing is to discredit whatever DrH is saying.
wat
Then later on, you do the same thing, only more boldly. You actually vote for him. With a shoddy case at that.
Probably with the worst reasoning possible in my book. Because his filter is long?? You're case is actually based on the fact that his filter...is long. In his "Q&A" he says that he can't get a read on DrH. Then 4 votes later, posts that he thinks that DocH is scum and wants him dead.
I asked DrH is he thought that Toades and Dirkzor could be mafia together. I find it a bit humerous that as DrH is attacking Toad, Toad is sitting here defending himself and trying to look at other people...while Dirkzor comes in and tries to discredit and actually votes to lynch DrH.
Chainsaw Defense much?
Toades
Dirkzor
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On February 28 2012 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:18 Jitsu wrote:
Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse?
I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game.
Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that.
You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though.
Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone. I see no reason to believe that Dirk and Toades can't be together on a scumteam
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On February 29 2012 01:55 prplhz wrote:Okay lets lynch god damn Tyrran. His filter shows him not putting any effort into the game at all. Compare to Steamship Liquidia where he actually tries to do anything. Also, his filter looks like he's just skirting by, he doesn't attempt to have any influence on the game at all. This post he unvotes Blazinghand because of a really bad unsubstantiated reasonable and then votes RebirthOfLeGenD just to pressure him. He shows that he has reason to believe that Toadesstern is scum but instead he opts to just pressure vote RebirthOfLeGenD in the most half assed way. After this he doesn't stop the pressure on RebirthOfLeGenD. Instead he starts insisting that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum but this doesn't correlate with how he is pushing him. He doesn't write cases or ask people for anything. He actually stops even trying to appear to be actively contributing after he apparently figures out that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum and that town is wrong and is being lead astray. He's also French. Yeah. But seriously, this guy is pretty scum. He's not trying to get noticed or step on anybody's toes, always picking easy targets while trying to stay out of any troubles at all, and so far he's only gotten by because people are giving him a lot of leash because he was bad in another game. What I'm seeing here isn't just bad, it's not giving a shit about town. ##Vote Tyrran
@Kurumi You suck.
Dirkzor seems to be doing a lot of the same stuff. Why don't you want to lynch him?
Scum together?
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Here's a scenario.
Kurumi asks me if I think RoL is scum.
I say "I don't know, he might be."
How does that at all translate to "Yes, I think he's scum, I want him dead." Why would a town player who has a scum read on someone not say "I think he's scum, I want him dead."
Oh, that's right. They wouldn't.
For example:
I think Dirkzor is scum. I would like him dead.
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On February 29 2012 02:21 prplhz wrote:
He's looking town and he's been active and consistent in his contributions and not flaking out at any point. I didn't see anything scummy he's done this game when I read his filter. It's pretty hard to point him pushing the lynch of a scum, but he's called plenty of people out and he's been willing to reconsider his opinions and his posting looks like he's actually trying to pour effort and thought into this game.
I don't see any reason to lynch Dirkzor.
I see good reason to lynch Tyrran.
What?
He's active and consistent...with a total of three pages of filter to sift through. I understand that town discussion has stalled, but active? There were points where I forgot he was in this game.
Also, he's called plenty of people out? I just skimmed through it again, and saw him call out Blazinghand and DrH, and very soft-aggression to chaoser.
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On February 29 2012 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Dirkzor has put effort into what? a shitty case on me where he lied a bunch of times and screaming to get BH lynched? I like that he gets to chainsaw twice and no one notices. If no one is going to go along with the obvious scum Toades, we should lynch Dirkzor.
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