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Right now we need 6 to lynch, which means we need all 6 townies. Mafia win if we mislynch here. It will be 5:4 and then one of us dies at night making it 4:4. Mafia win condition fulfilled. Mafia gain huge dividends by no lynch. While it does put us at 5:4 and gives us another day to talk, it also means mafia get one free kill. Additionally, an extra day of discussion is not worth an additional townie life, especially as it gives another day for mafia to clutter/ confuse the thread and there will be one less townie. Mafia are trying to stall and no lynch is basically setting us up for a loss. I've PMed GMarshal about the situation, as a similar thing arose in NMMIII where some inactives caused this kind of ruckus. It was resolved by reducing the required # to lynch to the majority of those voting. Here is the post. Hopefully we will hear good news and not have to resort to such risky lynching. As for who we should lynch: On February 25 2012 00:44 gumshoe wrote: Also what do we lose if we mislynch matt? A really active and useful albeit amateurish townie. My point is that this is what scum look like. They give off the impression that they are helpful and active, but don't ever bother going the final step of taking the information and content in the thread and making a case to lynch mafia. I think EchelonTee makes a good point in noting how Mattchew's style of play has been with his suspicion on ET. It is weak and speculatory, inviting other people to look at him, but he doesn't vote for it himself until ET calls him out. Gumshoe, don't worry about the replacement scenario. If we were in an unwinnable situation, the hosts would have called it game by now. I am sure they are doing their best to resolve it and we should trust in them as they are the hosts. Now please turn your attention to the Mattchew case. You are a pivotal vote and you could determine fate of town. | ||
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Seeing as you haven't called me out as being mafia on the same team with ET, I can only infer that you are scum playing with weak accusations. If you indeed think that I am town, you should be trying your hardest to get my cooperation by strengthening your case and why ET is a liar that I shouldn't listen to, not calling me names and making fun of my play. You guys still think this man is town? Think again. | ||
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Think about it: We were the ones originally strongly opposed to the TKHawkins and trackd00r lynch. If we were both scum and one of them town, it would have been done deal to lynch them as there support from Mattchew, Steveling, Alderan, gumshoe and zelblade. If we were all scum, then it could be seen trying to save our buddies. But then you have to be ready to accept that out of all the cases we could have pushed, we pushed Mattchew. On February 25 2012 04:04 Mattchew wrote: basically what im saying in my last post.. is townies, look how much you've thought about this upcoming lynch and have tried to not rush to a decision... does Sloosh's gut read steveling and knee-jerk me vote and ET's no case and kneejerk votes send this same vibe to you... no. They are willing to lynch any townie and just take the win for the scum team There is absolutely no reason why scum team requiring one last mislynch would choose one of the least suspected people. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:41 gumshoe wrote: Matt if you are really town please back me up, ech sloosh, I would like to have you guys around when the pressure isnt so high so that you can properly defend yourselves, even if you are scum you deserve that at least, please help me out here, hawk is our best choice purely because if he's town theres nothing we can do to win this game anyways and if hes scum theres no guarantee hell just die. Furthermore I do not want to rely on some bullshit host buff, we maybe noobs but we can win this game fairly or we can lose fairly. We won't be around because as soon as we mislynch tonight game over Scum win. | ||
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On February 23 2012 13:47 slOosh wrote: @gumshoe: Read over your case, and I don't like it. You are going in with the assumption that he is mafia and interpreting everything according to that. Hawk wasn't the reason that DimmuKlok was lynched. We all wanted to avoid a no-lynch. Sure he fumbled with the votes, but its a newbie game. He came from scII land and he genuinely might not know how to vote, seeing as its his first time. Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. His FOS on Janaan was wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. The reasoning he provides for suspecting Janaan is understandable. He is clear. You might not like his logic but it isn't contradictory. Furthermore, you shouldn't be listening to Alderan. Read over his filter and you can see him assume that TKHawk is 100% scum without offering any new evidence why except from one small post back in day 2. Notice the discrepancy between you and him. You have clearly thought this out and posted your thinking and asked for responses. He hasn't helped anyone reach a conclusion with reasoning, but instead just focuses on getting votes for TK. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:59 gumshoe wrote: Sigh, no sloosh, your wrong if we vote tk who we know is scum we can survive, after tonight well be 5 3 for town if we lynch hawk and hes scum(which he is). If we no lynch well be 5, 4 or 5 3 hopefully if hawk is scum and gets modkilled, once again I must say if hes town it dosent matter because weve already lost, and once again I must say that hawk is scum because as you said the host is not going to let us squirm if we have no chance of winning. As long as we dont lynch anyone who isnt hawk, there is no risk of losing this game until tomorrow. You are assuming that since the game is not over, it is not possible for town to get a vote off so therefore he must be mafia. But the hosts don't know if he will post before the deadline or not, and therefore cannot end the game. If he is modkilled, he will be replaced with someone else, and we will go into day 4 with 5 town and 4 scum. That is why the game hasn't ended, not because he is scum. On February 14 2012 00:37 GMarshal wrote: Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Night 3. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:01 Alderan wrote: I don't need to post a dissertation on TK to know he has scum. He basically came out and said it when he "quit" the game. And then there's the only blatant scumslip I've seen in the entire game: Someone's already said why this is relevant, I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. Show me where he quit and why he is mafia because of it. I've already posted my reasoning (Here, not that you read my posts anyways). Now show me yours. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:10 gumshoe wrote: GMarshal i hate you so much right now, so very very much. what marshal just suggested means theres a chance that hawk is town and is going to get a replacement before the deadline which means there is hope of winning even if he is town. Which means there is no sure thing in this game anymore. Which means that were back to square one and I have to pick a side in this ridicules sloosh vs matt fight because my hawk accusation isn't even 100 percent rational. Btw marshal is this in response to me trying to wifome you? Calm down gumshoe. I understand your frustration in trying to win a possibly unwinnable situation, but that is what we should do. We play to win. We can grip about it all we want post game but please don't disrespect the hosts. Now clear your head, read the claims and vote. I'll be here to answer any questions. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:17 Alderan wrote: I'm not sure if you were literally asking for when he quit, but here it is. The reason I understand the mentality is because I've been there, I quit under very similar circumstances when I was scum and got modkilled. He felt like the bus was on him and there was no taking it off, because he's not town there was literally no reason for him to stay in the game in any capacity. He quit but that doesn't make him scum. I'm asking you to show me how his act of quitting indicates that he is scum. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:22 Alderan wrote: I made it reasonably clear. It's not a hard concept. But because you are his scum mate this case is not for you, its for others. Took the liberty of going through your filter to see where you made it reasonably clear. On February 22 2012 03:22 Alderan wrote: TKHawkins- For reasons pretty well articulated by some, and his lack of addressing these issues. So my vote will be on TKHawkins as he is the best chance of getting lynched today. ##vote: TKHawkins On February 24 2012 03:44 Alderan wrote: Now for TKHawkins actions since the night post... Oh yeah, he already "quit". These are the only posts I found from you. I don't think you made it clear at all, because you never made one. I made one back here when explaining to gumshoe why I don't think his case holds up well. On February 23 2012 13:47 slOosh wrote: Your perceived hostility of him is actually his response to Mattchew's antagonistic style. I know how mad I can get when people treat my posts condescendingly and calls them "retarded". Now, this is my second game playing, and I understand that there is an element of role playing. I can see him genuinely hurt from Matt's verbal assault - he doesn't have that tought exterior we develop playing mafia. You still act as if he is 100% confirmed scum, with no basis at all. | ||
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On February 25 2012 06:22 NightFury wrote: Hello! First game and complete novice, but I will try my best. Going to be doing quite a bit of reading now. Thank you for being a replacement. I understand that this will extremely strenuous considering it is your first game. In either case, just try your best and we can't ask for more. @gumshoe: The deadline for lynch is ~2 hours 20 minutes (I think). And please don't get angry at NightFury. He hasn't done anything wrong. | ||
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I've pointed out how Mattchew has shown favoritism toward Steveling and that his "town" read is bogus. That being said, look at Steveling's interaction with Mattchew. There is absolutely no discord at all between the two of them. Mattchew soft defends him several times and names him a most likely town read without good reasoning, and tries to take me off of him when I pressure voted him. Steveling has been sheeping Mattchew hard and never actually talks to Mattchew himself. It makes more sense to vote Mattchew before Steveling because 1) ET voted Mattchew already and might not be back. We have to consolidate votes 2) We go into tomorrow with 1 less townie to deal with the rest of mafia. Mattchew's abilities to disrupt and confuse are more formidable than Steveling's. It is safer to do it this way. ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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Where is the difference in being wary of tunneling vs being dissuaded by mafia? Is the method I'm using to construct my cases the problem, or my inability to process new information the issue? How can I not make such mistakes as I did this game? | ||
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On February 25 2012 14:46 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, after I pointed out how hypocritical your case against me was, did it even give you pause? At what point did you start thinking I might be town? OMGUS -> tunnel till lynch. I'm so sorry. I realize that it was incredibly hypocritical in hindsight and wished I never even thought about meta this game. I stopped listening after your 2nd response as it felt like you were evading my points but the tunnel probably set in much before that. | ||
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On February 26 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote: Sloosh my man. I feel for ya because you obviously put a lot into this game and it hurts to lose in this way. If you want my advice, when you post a case, decide what your target needs to do to prove his innocence. You are like me in that when you think you have found mafia you won't listen to others. My way of getting around this is to put myself in his shoes and see whether what he is saying could be explained from a town point of view. If you happen to be wrong, such as with DYH. You really should take stock and gather as much evidence as you can. There should have been no doubt about Matt's alignment because he was the only one defending DYH. In addition you thought ET was scum to start with and then when Matt puts together a decent case on him you jump on Matt? Your first case on Matt was that he was providing content which was absurd. If his actions can be explained from both a town and mafia perspective, he is null. Not mafia, null. It's hard to change reads. I still think my change of heart with Cats was my greatest read. You need to try and find the town that others don't believe is town. That allows you to look at who is pushing easy cases. I must admit that was why I thought ET was mafia. Pushing Gumshoe for his poll made no sense in my mind. Hope that helps. For ET, I believed he was town during day 2 when he asserted that DYH flipping green just means I was wrong, not mafia since mafia would want to cast doubt on me and lynch me. To be honest toward the end of the game I didn't trust my own reads that well and trusted ET's (confirmed town in my eyes and the only one w/ some experience) case, knowing that he has played on the mafia team before so he would know better. But what should I do if I everyone is null read? Especially as it is a newbie game, I have no idea how to distinguish bad play with mafia play (I guess I would fall neatly into this category after this game >.<). | ||
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For the 1st paragraph, meant to ask: How should you treat people's reads if they are confirmed town in your eyes? Or confirmed mafia? | ||
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