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On February 20 2012 18:14 Steveling wrote:
My case has one weak point atm. I did not account for sloosh being a scum as well.
And I did not, cause I do not read him as as such.
I'd like some opinions on that.
My vote atm goes to DYH.
vote##: DoYouHas
On another note, people don't panic please. And stop making these lists. We need solid stuff. Not fluff.
Also if you are gonna spend 1 hour filtering only to say that you find x and y to be town, then pls do something else.
We need opinions on scum not on town.
Take your own advice. Your filter only contains stuff with gumshoe and weak commentary on MG.
Your stance on DYH (btw its not "your case" stop trying to look like you contributed anything) is built from the assumption that DYH is mafia and nitpicking for random junk. Either you suffer confirmation bias or are mafia busing.
Give us something new. Show some effort.
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Whether DYH flips red or green should not direct us to our next lynch target.
Mafia know each other and can manipulate their connections, knowing that they might be linked.
We find the next suspect independently of DYH's posts.
If they align that adds weight to the case and that is fine, but the case should not be built upon how DYH is acting.
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Less time arguing, more time scumhunting!!
Also, I want to reiterate, it is WIFOM to think about DYH - mannerkiss connection. Let's not waste our energies on that.
(zelblade posted as I did so that's ok. but no more please)
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On February 21 2012 00:36 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 00:11 slOosh wrote:On February 20 2012 18:14 Steveling wrote:
My case has one weak point atm. I did not account for sloosh being a scum as well.
And I did not, cause I do not read him as as such.
I'd like some opinions on that.
My vote atm goes to DYH.
vote##: DoYouHas
On another note, people don't panic please. And stop making these lists. We need solid stuff. Not fluff.
Also if you are gonna spend 1 hour filtering only to say that you find x and y to be town, then pls do something else.
We need opinions on scum not on town.
Take your own advice. Your filter only contains stuff with gumshoe and weak commentary on MG. Your stance on DYH (btw its not "your case" stop trying to look like you contributed anything) is built from the assumption that DYH is mafia and nitpicking for random junk. Either you suffer confirmation bias or are mafia busing. Give us something new. Show some effort. Offering something solid /= randomly accusing someone just to enrich my filter. My general playstyle is to try and find clues. I'm not gut guessing or throwing random punches hoping to hit something good. So it takes time. Anyway I'll try to give more opinions. But I don't like your 2nd point. I spent quite enough time on the DYH case to have you telling me that I contributed nothing and that I'm "nitpicking random junk". T_T I know it's not my case, but I think I offered new clues.
I apologize I came off as condescending. Right now it is general consensus that DYH is the lynch for today and no one seen anything in his play worth defending.
It is in our best interest to now redirect our focus on finding new scum candidates, rather than taking a break until he gets lynched. Time is valuable and I do not want people to become lax.
If you don't have the stuff to build a case, could you at least be involved in current discussions?
(Such as, who do you want to hear from, what your thoughts are on people's cases etc.)
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On February 21 2012 02:34 Mattchew wrote:sloosh thoughts on dis shit right hur? i gtg for an hour ill be back Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 00:57 Mattchew wrote:On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
As of right now
rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today
Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade
Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee
lets not lose this.. any thoughts? Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 01:27 Mattchew wrote:On February 19 2012 08:08 GreYMisT wrote:
I forgot we had ZBot and did a votecount, yay.
Gumshoe (2): DimmuKlok, Steveling
MidnightGladius (3): EchelonTee, jaj22, Mattchew
DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan
EchelonTee (5): Zelblade, trackd00r, blae000, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins
SlOosh (1): DoYouHas
DoYouHas (1): slOosh
With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch! the day ends in less than 1 hour! does anyone else find it really fucking weird that we went from 5 on ET to lynching DK in less than an hour?
First and most prominent thought was your lack of explanation (not just in this post but the game in general).
Asking opinions on matters from people is fine to stimulate discussion, but it doesn't really make sense not to offer yours in return.
Second, its not night time. Its day. We have time to consolidate the next lynch target. Telling the vig who to shoot so early is haphazard. If you are confident enough posting a vig-list, it means you have solid reasoning for your list (rather than speculative), so I would like to hear some now.
For the last point I don't find it weird that we mass switched to DK in the eleventh hour.
It took time for enough content to generate etc. so cases came out really late in the day.
Not having had enough time for discussion on the two (ET and MG), we fell back on the mutual 'lurker' lynch.
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Posting during a break so I won't be able to dialogue right now.
On February 21 2012 05:51 Alderan wrote:He has tunneled harder than anyone in this thread, while attempting to squash any other discussion (discussion about me included). A quote like this is the most damning. Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion.
My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case.
Notice he FOSed you, not voted. He has drawn such a distinct line in the sand that anyone who feels DYH is town must be scum. That flies in the face of optimal town play, so much so that I would say he is my number one suspicion at the moment.
On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote:
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???
We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.
This is what I said and reiterate many times over. You can skim my filter and you will notice that most of my day 2 posts have been trying to focus town attention to getting a proper lynch (i.e. not last minute mass shifting).
I never said whoever feels DYH is town must be scum. I said that unless you feel DYH is town you shouldn't distract town from focusing and lynching one mafia at a time. Now that there are enough votes on DYH, notice how I stopped trying to focus town and let people start discussion again.
You seem to borrow DYH's logic - that confirmation bias and suboptimal play makes me mafia.
What is your definition of optimal town play? You reference it a couple times in your post and use it as reasoning. So expound upon your definition and show me where I falter.
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On February 20 2012 12:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote:
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???
We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.
this. 100x over this
Not reading anything till you explain this.
DYH will be lynched today. Unless anyone has substantial evidence as to why he is town,
HE WILL BE LYNCHED TODAY.
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Finally some clear headed thinking! Thank you.
I'll address some of the points that are coming up.
1st: I know that millers /framers / godfathers may be present. This doesn't change anything. Why?
I am not the detective if that is what you are concerned about. Evidence in favor of this?
Jaj22 was detective. He is dead 100% confirmed detective. Could there be multiple? Sure, but probably not.
More importantly, I started my case day 1, and continued before night 1 ended. Detective checks come back at day if I am not mistaken. You do not need to fear my case being tunneling due to a framed/miller check.
2nd: People are starting to think that I am tunneling. You guys are mistaken. I am making sure that this lynch is going through. The reason why I haven't moved on to openly discussing my reads on other players is because there is serious clutter and spam going on in the thread and already a few people have been persuaded to move their votes off DYH.
I can see you guys hungry for direction and experience. The only reason why I've withheld from posting is for the sole reason of getting this lynch through. Put your vote on DYH, put my mind at ease and I will be more free to scumhunt rather than focus town.
Posting a couple of my reads after this.
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These are who I will probably go for after DYH lynch.
1st suspect:
Alderan
(as reference MG already has a read on him, but I will be looking at his newer content).
On February 21 2012 05:51 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +As for where I'm leaning currently, I don't buy the DoYouHas case. If you start analysis from the when DoYouHas ended the fight with Sloosh on the first day, all I see is Sloosh hardline tunneling and/or a horrendous case of confirmation bias. The only suspicious play I read from DoYouHas was after that initial drop in the fight with Sloosh he actually returned and voted for him. Sloosh I find far more suspicious. He has tunneled harder than anyone in this thread, while attempting to squash any other discussion (discussion about me included). A quote like this is the most damning. On February 20 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion.
My point about him making a case is that he will actually try making a proper case.
Notice he FOSed you, not voted. He has drawn such a distinct line in the sand that anyone who feels DYH is town must be scum. That flies in the face of optimal town play, so much so that I would say he is my number one suspicion at the moment.
On February 21 2012 09:26 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +Sloosh, you wanted me to skim through your filter and I did. You told me that I would find evidence that you were being pro town, supporting discussion and not tunneling DYH. I took your advice and here's all the pro-discussion posts I found: What we need right now is focus. Work with the current cases unless you have something really compelling to share. Your stance on DYH and MG? MidnightGladius: What do you think of DoYouHas? And THEN you realize DYH is gonna be lynched so you say this: It is in our best interest to now redirect our focus on finding new scum candidates, rather than taking a break until he gets lynched. Time is valuable and I do not want people to become lax. Saying that you are not hard lining DYH is asinine, you absolutely are. You just think there no more reason to pursue him as your goal is already complete. But this is the one I ESPECIALLY LOVE Whether DYH flips red or green should not direct us to our next lynch target.
Mafia know each other and can manipulate their connections, knowing that they might be linked.
This is the equivalent of saying, "Guys, guys, check it out, we totally shouldn't look at who started the train on DYH if he flips green, I'm sure it doesn't mean anything..... Let's be real though, all this "pro-town" discussion didn't get in the way of you throwing out gems like this: WOW. Lynch him NOW.... Don't even wait for his case. Lynch him. TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN??? Sounds good. My read on you was based upon you thinking DYH as town. As you state that you don't, I drop my suspicion.
I've been ignoring him because hasn't given anything substantial but it seems like some of you are actually taking this guy seriously.
Read the bold in the 1st quote and think about his stance on me. Then look at where his vote is.
Oh, surely it would be found on slOosh, his "number one suspicion" no?
Well, no. It's nowhere to be found. Why wouldn't you put your vote on your #1 suspect when you clearly don't have anything else? I said it of DYH and I'll say it now of Alderan.
The townie's power is in his vote. Townies do not treat their votes like trash.
Secondly, he is trying to tarnish my name with mudslinging. He has been prodded a few times to give actual argument as to why he thinks I am scum or DYH is town and he hasn't. Read his little filter and he has a couple of weak lines but nothing as substantial as my case. Just some "I don't buy it, slOosh is tunneling and therefore mafia" etc.
I've explained in my latest post why I am not tunneling.
As for his accusation that I am trying to resolve myself of a mislynch blame:
If you read the context of the posts and think about what I have been doing.
I moved on after securing the lynch. It's what I've been saying the whole time.
I'll say it right here: I take full responsibility as the creator and supporter and advocate of the DYH case.
The stuff where I talk about his flip is advice on how to logically respond to an unlikely DYH town flip, not me trying to ditch responsibility. I really don't know how anyone could think I wouldn't be thought of should DYH flip green.
His actions and reasoning doesn't match at all. I can't really give more analysis since he hasn't posted anything of substance.
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2nd suspect:
Mattchew
1st: He doesn't post his reasoning publicly, but says stuff like "its the obvious choice". This is refusal to take any responsibility or help other people understand where he is coming from is scum play, or extremely anti-town at best.
2nd: On February 21 2012 10:39 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 12:52 Mattchew wrote:On February 20 2012 12:42 slOosh wrote:
TOWN ARE YOU TRYING TO GO FOR NO LYNCH AGAIN???
We have ONE Lynch. ONE. If you want to FOS someone else you better have a good reason why you aren't voting DYH or Midnight or Echelon or whoever.
We find and lynch mafia ONE AT A TIME.
this. 100x over this Not reading anything till you explain this.
And I stand by it. Read his quote. Then look at what he does. If he is of firm belief in taking out mafia one at a time, why the heck would he post four suspects at the same time, then draw people to look at these new guys?
On February 21 2012 09:21 Mattchew wrote:
sloosh i want you to drop the DYH tunnel you have and actually look at this
DYH you were already on hawkins a little read this through
gumshoe read this carefully and quote it properly if you want to reply
ald and steve i think you might have been starting to head this way, I will now take you to the promised land
ET you might have been getting at this but idk where you were actually headed
Janaan you seem to just want a lynch read this and want these lynches
##unvote Doyouhas
##vote TKHawkins
His words and actions are contradictory. Even if he truly believed DYH is town (which he has provided no reasoning for), there is no reason he would fling out 4 suspects at once. His posts have an effect of derailing town off the DYH lynch. Whether intentional (I think so) or not, it is both anti-town and contradictory play.
3rd: Discrepancy between his magic vig shot list (again something posted without reasoning) and his massive conspiracy theory.
On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
As of right now
rgTheSchworz - lets give him a chance to post a little
DoYouHas - should be lynched today
Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade
Remaining Skeptical of
EchelonTee
When is night post?
anyone can answer this
How did Alderan and Janaan disappear without reason and get replaced with MidnightGladius?
4th:
Read that last quote on his thought on DYH. Then read his filter observing his stance on DYH.
On February 21 2012 00:46 Mattchew wrote:
I read DYH's filter and there are a bunch of good cases on him. That is my reason for voting him. I am accountable for my vote and my agreeing with others reads.
On February 21 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote:
I don't want to de-rail the DYH lynching I think it is the right play
Jumps to
On February 21 2012 09:26 Mattchew wrote:
oh... and wouldnt you know they are all on DYH... doesnt that lynch seem to be going through just TOO easily... yes it does.
(i know this is a little WIFOM but combined with my prior posts it turns more into logic) On February 21 2012 11:21 Mattchew wrote:regarding DYH This is Palmar's smurf (Palmar isone of the best scum hunters on TL, he found every mafia in this newbie game day 1) Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:33 ElectricBlack wrote:
If he is scum, he's the first scum I've ever seen actually trying to push the town away from lynching lurkers on day 1. I'd say I have a pretty strong town read on Velinath at this point. The only thing that worries me in his play is the lack of people under serious pressure, but I can sort-of relate to that, as it's already evident this town is going to be both active and hold a fairly high quality of posting.
( post link) Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:51 DoYouHas wrote:
The point is not to lynch lurkers, it is to lynch scum. If a lynching a lurker is the best option we have near a deadline, then by all means, let's do it. But policy lynching is just a terrible idea. I am already looking suspiciously at the ET for espousing it.
FOS: EchelonTee this is DYH pushing town away from lynching lurkers
Still an extreme lack of reasoning and additional contradiction (saying he does not want to derail DYH lynch but in fact trying to do the exact opposite)
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Yea, they were just preliminary reads. I haven't had much chance to actually build another solid case as I spent all my efforts securing this lynch. I'll be taking some time off for IRL stuff and hopefully be back with refreshed mind and a proper case.
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Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow.
Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing.
My stance on Mattchew -
the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid
He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced.
I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case.
I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other.
However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content.
Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means.
I have to say he is leaning town right now.
However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect.
I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum).
Following post will address Mattchew's 4.
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(I was going to post on all four but its taking longer than I thought so I don't think I have time to do it all, I'll post what I managed to do so far)
With some reevaluations my own reads and consideration of DYH's reads, Mattchew's reads overlap pretty well with mine.
I'll be looking to bring the case from speculation into substance.
Zelblade:
I don't like how his actions align with mafia agenda. It doesn't mean he is mafia, but I don't like it. His day 1 actions happen to be in best interest of mafia. Go for ET, prevent anything on MG, offer DYH as alternative, refocus people on DYH after night.
I say it again - it doesn't mean he is mafia, but it does mean he warrants suspicion. So let us look.
Observe here his stance on me and DYH
On February 19 2012 08:24 zelblade wrote:
slOosh and DYH attacking each other is .... interesting. The seeming lack of sloosh explaining his own views in indeed suspisious. He has posted a case on DYH - but only after being called out. The fact that it seems like an OMGUS doesnt exactly help either. However, his case on DYH is pretty good imo. I have no idea why DYH would want to advocate a no lynch this late. The way he phrases that post seems to give off the feel that he doesnt care much about the lynch. This feels really scummy and the fact that he isnt pushing any reads and is even fine with a no lynch - which he has stated against. Whats with the sudden change in attitude DYH? I think that DYH has a really good chance of flipping scum.
With that, I believe that DYH might be our best lynch for today. Although sl0osh seems somewhat suspisious, I believe that DYH is actually a better lynch due to his nonchalant attitude.
##Unvote
##Vote: DoYouHas On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote:Now onto Sloosh and DoYouHas. As I have stated, I find it extremely suspisious of DYH's actions leading up to the lynch. Though he has given his motivations for advocating the no lynch, I still find it a little wierd, especially regarding his attitude. If he was indeed being stubborn on sloosh as he says, I would have expected him to push harder with something more convincing than this: Show nested quote +If I have not been convincing enough with my case against sl0osh, so be it. Find the majority without me. Still, his responses against sloosh's case is good and seems valid. This doesnt clear him in my eyes though. Moving on to sloosh, I agree with DYH - he has been really hyprotical regarding DYH, and a good portion of what he accuses DYH of can apply to him as well. What I reallly am interested in would be sloosh's response to this. At this point though, I am fairly convinced that one of them is scum. Doubt that they are both scum, unless this is an elaborate bus which I highly doubt.
Supports my case but makes sure to let people know how he is suspicious of me. How can you support a case from someone who you think could be scum?? It doesn't matter how good the case is, if a mafia is proposing it you don't support it.
Now that DYH flipped town, he knows it can't be a bus. He is convinced that one of us is scum, but doesn't actually follow up on it. "Oh I think you could be scum but your case is pretty good so I'll support your lynch btw I still think you are scum. Oh the lynch was a townie. I'll ignore you now". I don't think anyone (even inexperienced players) would think / act like this.
Also, in the same quote:
On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote:
Im posting my reads in case I die tonight. I would have prefered posting this closer towards the end of night, but am posting it now as I have school tomorrow and need to go sleep now, and will not be online from around now to about 5.00 KST (+8).
... (the quote above fits in here) ...
Another thing. I believe that all of you should post your reads tonight. If you dont believe in the value of posting your town reads (MG), just post your scum ones than. The reason for this is simple - we want to have as much information from you in case you are shot tonight.
Doesn't really make too much sense here. Only one person will die. His reason for posting is fear of death, and at the same moment tells other people to post just in case they die too. I don't understand why he thought he would die.
This again aligns with mafia agenda - get people to post scum lists to make better night kills and make most chaos.
(Will post maybe 1 more before I AWOL for IRL stuff until tomorrow evening in ~35 hours).
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MidnightGladius:
It is not good that DYH and jaj22 both thought you were worth suspicion.
I haven't had ample time to read your filter so I'll just ask some questions.
On February 20 2012 12:08 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm really not sure where to go from here. I have a solid read on Alderan as mafia, but if no one's even going to consider what I've been saying, then I'm going to stop wasting your time. Hopefully, my mislynch will be enough to convince you that you've been going about this the wrong way all along.
On February 20 2012 13:54 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 13:33 slOosh wrote:
P.S. Get off Alderan's case. He said he is working and will be busier during the weekends. Let him respond. He has plenty of time to respond, but he has to know that there is pressure on him to respond, and quickly. Especially with our time zone problems, I'm not willing to let him effectively skip a whole day phase without offering any new reads.
On February 22 2012 12:09 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you sure that you're even willing to be convinced at this point? I can see the writing on the wall, and I don't want to waste my breath when I could be doing something less frustrating and more productive instead.
So ... what is up with this defeatist attitude? You don't have to convince Mattchew for a lynch, you have to convince town. It is clear that your strongest read is Alderan, but you haven't pursued this at all since Mattchew's case.
You say you could be doing something more productive, but so far its all talk.
All you've done in the last ~24 hours is say that Mattchew's style is not helpful and soft defending me. Not to say that they are wrong sentiments, but it's what you haven't said that is worrisome.
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I say we leave TKHawkins alone until the matter is resolved.
We are going outside the game of mafia if we analyze him wanting a replacement etc. Don't like that.
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Wow this is really uncanny how Mattchew even pulled this one off. His four picks are (so far) good as individual cases.
trackd00r:
On February 19 2012 08:35 trackd00r wrote:
Lynch time is approaching.
ET, I just hope that you keep posting good cases like that. Even though I disagree with MG lynch, your last posts are making up my mind. I'm going to unvote by now.
On February 21 2012 05:29 trackd00r wrote:
This was careless play by my part. I tried to push a ET lynch. Half an hour before the lynch, I realized that we were about to no-lynch.
-I didn't want to hold my vote to ET because there were a couple of players that wouldn't change his vote to him by any means.
Contradiction!
1st quote: I am unvoting because he is making good cases / posts.
2nd quote: I unvoted because we couldn't lynch him on time.
I'd auto vote you for this right here.
Chance at redemption: Post your reads on MG and zel. They had better be good.
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On February 23 2012 06:49 Mattchew wrote:
1. I left rgTheSchworz off my list accidentally. He belongs with Janaan in the Null/least town read section. He's smart and should be able to contribute more. His reason for voting DYH seemed like he hadn't read the thread and with his late entrance and Gum's gazillion word posts I don't blame him. If someone on my list doesn't turn up to be scum and he's still not productive he should be looked at very very carefully.
This means that of those 6 I firmly believe the entire scum team is there. With the possibility of there being no medic or vig, I think we have 2 mis-lynches so we should be able to lynch all 6 before the game is through.
Good plan as long as we don't strictly adhere to it.
Its success is based off every one of your town reads to be correct, and while I generally agree with your town reads, I want us to be mindful of the possibility of a misread.
The plan can be dangerous as it is a newbie game. It is easy to fall for confirmation bias as evidenced by a few players that are looking for evidence in filters with the mindset that the four are mafia, rather than reading their filters to deduce if they are mafia or not.
In any case, lets keep everyone accountable to a certain degree of activity and discussion, that the town players have a chance to exonerate themselves and the mafia are more pressured into revealing themselves.
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(This is me procrastinating hardcore. T.T)
I think ... we should lynch Steveling.
On February 18 2012 21:25 Steveling wrote:
Anyway,my pro town reads so far are trackd00r and sloosh.
On February 21 2012 19:49 Steveling wrote:
Um, ok regarding my thoughts on trackdoor.
You know how I like to find little clues here and there and prove them wrong, right? That's my scumhunting tactic.
Well after examining trackdoors filter I found out there's not even one and I mean zero, nada posts with substance.
It's 100% fluff.
He made 3 big posts in this exact manner.
On February 18 2012 01:59 trackd00r wrote:
On February 18 2012 06:28 trackd00r wrote:
On February 18 2012 11:39 trackd00r wrote:
If you read the time stamps - he somehow got a pro town read at Feb 18, 21:25.
Then he posts why track is so suspicious, and the "3 big posts" he refers to were all before Feb 18, 21:25.
This being said, he shouldn't have ever come to his initial conclusion that trackd00r is a pro town read.
##Vote: Steveling
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Explain how you got a pro town read from trackd00r.
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I think only one of trackd00r or Steveling can be mafia, and right now by process of elimination I think you are town trackd00r.
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