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Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 03:14 GMT

#681

If you think Palmar is scum why would you think Dirk is scum

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

March 02 2012 03:18 GMT

#682

You talking to me?

dirk probably isn't my strongest town read like I mentioned before, but I'm still leaning town on him. Hence, the yay vote.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 03:23 GMT

#683

I'm just saying that Dirk being scum is unlikely (but not impossible) if Palmar is scum. He'd want to pick two town players on his D1 team almost certainly, even assuming he can coordinate who's sabotaging (which he definitely could). My interpretation of Palmar's team suggestion was this: Palmar is scum, and he suggested Dirk and Nav who he both knew was town. He suggested Dirk because he wanted to look like he was suggesting a team, and he suggested Nav to be a "fall guy" for when the team failed, making up some bad rationalization of "well scum would care about the game more". I just don't think it would be optimal play for a Palm/Dirk/X scumteam to put both Palm and Dirk on a team together like that with Nav.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

March 02 2012 03:29 GMT

#684

Perhaps, was there a reason you suggested nav for your team other than the fact than you think he was Palmar's "fall guy"? Or were you simply looking to go with a team that would pass?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 03:29 GMT

#685

In fact Kita, you've historicaly nayyed every team except for the team you suggested, Dirk/BH/VE. The ONLY difference in this team is that I've been swapped out for Navillus!

Context: Kita suggested Dirk/BH/VE. This team is Dirk/Nav/VE

Let's take a look at your reasoning for being skeptical of this team you've yayvoted:

On March 02 2012 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:
dirk has a really weird response to my questioning the other day. He called me scum after calling me town only a few posts prior. After I brought it up, he responded that he may have decided that I was scum based on everyone else calling me scum, which is really sketchy. VE has been really inconsistent with his reads, but I'm still leaning town. nav hasn't really done anything. I listed him as my weakest town read earlier, but its incredibly difficult for me to differentiate between an apathetic scum and a inactive townie.

I'll vote yay since I'd like to play the game out, rather than settle for a draw. However, if the team sabotages, I'm not going to be bullied out of the teams anymore and will likely go back to insisting that I'm included.

So dirk has a weird response... To what? In the last 6 days, he're's you
ONLY interaction with Dirk:

On February 25 2012 14:25 kitaman27 wrote:

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lol what? Who is your scum team if you're proposing a team like that? o.O

That's it. That's all you interact with him about. What questions? what pressure?

And Nav? Nav hasn't done anything substantially different since you wrote:

On February 25 2012 14:36 kitaman27 wrote:

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You can call me kita for short, prplhz.

I'm leaning towards Palmar, sent/you, and nav/chaos?

Tough to get all three spot on without a mission submission, but based on the voting patterns, that is what I'm leaning.

Has chaos13 become more town since then with his crap team submission that only I yayvoted?

Who's your scumteam? What's with this weird reticence on that yayvote? Do you think these guys are scum or not? What's so special about Nav, or what's really changed about Dirk and VE since you last suggested a team that was ALMOST the same as this one, the only team you yayvoted? Why so scared?

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 03:33 GMT

#686

On March 02 2012 12:29 kitaman27 wrote:
Perhaps, was there a reason you suggested nav for your team other than the fact than you think he was Palmar's "fall guy"? Or were you simply looking to go with a team that would pass?

I think it's pretty clear that Nav as a fall guy would not be scum. That being said, Nav has missed several votes (including his own) and has only ever yayvoted one team, and it had prpl on it. He's town, but with crap reads. Palmar is scum. Sent is probably scum. If I couldn't scrounge together a team that would pass, this game would end in a draw because there's nobody who's both smart AND town coming up in the lineup. I'm fucking Henry Clay, I'm gonna compromise the shit out of this deal.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

March 02 2012 03:42 GMT

#687

On March 02 2012 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
So dirk has a weird response... To what? In the last 6 days, he're's you
ONLY interaction with Dirk:

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That's it. That's all you interact with him about. What questions? what pressure?

On February 25 2012 01:36 Dirkzor wrote:

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You're actually right... hmm..

(I'm at work and have to go eat soon so I didn't bother going back to see...)

I might be thinking you are scum because so many keeps saying you are scum... very bad =(

I was referring to this. I suppose it was more than a few days ago, although much hasn't been said since then.

On March 02 2012 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
And Nav? Nav hasn't done anything substantially different since you wrote:

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The current set of three players isn't my ideal team. If the game had an unlimited amount of time remaining and I was able to select my ideal team of three players, I would probably nay it. I would still prefer a team with myself or probably you, over nav. If prpl were willing to put worth a kita/VE/dirk team, then I would pass on this one, but that seems incredibly unlikely. Like I said before, nav is pretty null to me. My scum team is still probably the same as I mentioned before.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 04:03 GMT

#688

So your only problem with this team is that Nav is going in your place, but you like VE and dirk

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

March 02 2012 05:21 GMT

#689

Team Blazinghand: VisceraEyes, Dirkzor, Navillus

Navillus - Yay
Palmar - Yay
[UoN]Sentinel - Yay
kitaman27 - Yay
Dirkzor - Yay
chaos13 - Failed to vote!
VisceraEyes - Yay
Blazinghand - Yay
prplhz - Yay

8 Yays, 1 Nays
Team Blazinghand is Accepted!

Incoming mission post, please stand by

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 05:27 GMT

#690

Aww yeah a team everyone liked. This is me right now: [image loading]

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

March 02 2012 05:28 GMT

#691

Mission 1

Mission Success!

[image loading]

The plan was simple. Assault the winery supplying the army with their drink, to incite unrest among the soldiers.
As the team enters the enters the winery it is deathly quiet. Each footstep echoes down the long hallway. The team marvel at the stocked wine which seems to go on endlessly.
As they draw closer to the end of the hallway, one of the team pauses. He turns and asks "Did you hear that?"
"I thought I heard.... buffaloes. Nevermind, must have been my imagination" he said as they continued walking. They plant the charges and quickly escape to a safe distance to watch the fireworks.

Mission 1 suffered no sabotage attempts and was successful!

prplhz is the next leader

The current deadline to post a team is in 23 hours at 04:30 GMT (+00:00), or 3 March 13:30 KST.
If the leader has not submitted a team by then, he will be skipped and the next one in line will be Navillus.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

March 02 2012 05:33 GMT

#692

So this should be sort of completely absolutely 100% obvious but same team, also I think this puts these 3 people almost completely in the clear as if there was a scum their options are 1. sabatoge now 2. sabatoge day 2 with same team which yields them exactly 0 benefit over sabatoging day 1 and gives us a free day or 3. wait til we get a bigger team day 3 (someone said this is happening, that is true correct?) in which case they've left themselves with 0 room for error which seems just stupid.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 05:35 GMT

#693

Yeah obviously. The real question is "who should we add as the fourth member"

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 05:35 GMT

#694

In case you're confused:

Day 1: 3 people
Day 2: 4 people
Day 3: 4 people
Day 4: 5 people, 2 sabotages needed
Day 5: 5 people, 1 sabotage needed

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

March 02 2012 05:37 GMT

#695

Oh whoops I was confused that helps. I propose Palmar, Prplhz I would probably yay as well.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 05:39 GMT

#696

So you're not a fan of Myself, Chaos, Kita, or Sent as the fourth man

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

March 02 2012 05:42 GMT

#697

Yes though I will say that if Palmar or Prplhz fail I have them sort of grouped in my mind so I would probably in that case jump right to you, and if it looks like it would go through I would be ok sending you through rn because that's really just switching the order, and I don't want to be really obstructivist, especially when at this point someone non-ideal needs to go through since, well, my ideal team just went.

Navillus

United States1188 Posts

March 02 2012 05:43 GMT

#698

Just to be clear Sent I'm still sort of null on but would prefer to stay away from, Chaos and Kita are auto-nay votes.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

March 02 2012 05:52 GMT

#699

You know given how hard palm and prpl are insider each other's butts I'm wondering if one of them (prpl?) might actually just be town. I guess third scum would be like, kita then.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

March 02 2012 06:42 GMT

#700

It should be noted also that there might have been a misunderstanding about the sabotage rules - there was a night-phase in Resistance 1 where the scum team was given the opportunity to submit a sabotage. In this game it looks like scum have to submit their sabotage WITH their vote...so it's possible there's scum on the successful team who forgot to submit their sabotage. And with as many 'Failed to vote' as we've had, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Just putting that out there. I think the original three sent is a good starting point, but don't just write us off as auto-town either. If one of us just stops making sense or starts acting super scummy, don't be afraid to call us out and if necessary, replace us over the course of discussion today. But have a damn good reason, because a successful mission is successful.

As for who I want on the next team, I'm torn between derp and kita. Gonna reread and see what I see.

Good shit guys.

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