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Blazinghand
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"Okay so I want to include myself on my team. I should include Dirkzor, since he looks town. Who should be my third teammate? Blazinghand? VE? Kita? No, you know what, Navillus sounds far more reasonable than those three, let's bring him he'll definitely not be a spy, yeah this is a good idea, and I, Palmar, a good player, will do this" oh no wait that's unbelivably bad | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 21 2012 19:04 Palmar wrote: Nah, I said, I'll take the blame if the team fails. It'd be strictly dumb play to include me again if this team fails. I've got a better plan, let's nayvote this guy's team down into the nether realms and pick a team with three town players. I don't like you Palmar. It doesn't matter if you never get included in another team--- there are three scum and only three missions need to be sabotaged. For day 2 we'll need to pick 2 more players out of the remaining 6 (of which 2 are scum) and pick 0 scum to get a victory. The "let's let palmar sabotage and just not use him any more" plan is unsustainable, and the kind of gambit scum would suggest. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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His solution of "taking the blame if the team fails" is preposterous ON ITS FACE. If the team fails, a Town Palmar would NOT take the blame. He'd try to figure out which of the others was scum and make sure they didn't get onto the D2 team. This should be fairly obvious. Palmar is trying to hussle us | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On February 21 2012 19:47 Palmar wrote: So what does this make me? Sadly you can't really tell much about my alignment even if my picks are good, because it makes sense for scum to pick two townies to join on the mission. so it's either or. It makes no sense to say navillus is bad choice and thus I'm scum. Either navillus is bad choice (scum) and I'm a bad townie, or navillus is good choice and I'm scum, or the obvious and probably correct alternative Navillus is a good choice and I'm town. Seeing as I think I've already convinced most people on TL I'm kind of good at this, you should as scum be pushing the idea that I'm scum, and thus the team can't be accepted. You can't say "Navillus looks bad, thus palmar is scum" because that makes no sense for a scum team to do. Due to the risk of town just not picking anyone from the first team if the first team fails. So, which is it BH? Am I scum? or is navillus scum? You can't have it both ways. Ah yes this is an accurate representation of my arguments, you have totally trounced me with your unbeatable wall | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On February 22 2012 02:34 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes this is an accurate representation of my arguments, you have totally trounced me with your unbeatable wall Oh, no wait, you're wrong. You picked Navillus because you wanted a fall guy besides yourself. When I called you out, you decided to put some arguments forward supporting him. Navillus is NOT the 2nd most town player besides Dirkzor, and your post hoc rationalization doesn't make sense. On February 21 2012 19:48 Palmar wrote: This is why I'm offering my responsibility for the team. I think my choices are good, I know I'm not bad at this game, so I'm picking two people and rolling with it. The reasonable conclusion if the mission fails is that I am scum. So, can we please just roll with this to test it? GOD THIS IS SO BAD. This is how we know this isn't Town Palmar. Town Palmar would not let the D2 mission fail just because the D1 mission failed. He would say "hey guys I think either Dirk or Navillus is scum and here's why" rather than being like "yeah man just sub me out it's np" Does nobody else get this? Palmar Seeing as I think I've already convinced most people on TL I'm kind of good at this, you should as scum be pushing the idea that I'm scum, and thus the team can't be accepted. You can't say "Navillus looks bad, thus palmar is scum" because that makes no sense for a scum team to do. Due to the risk of town just not picking anyone from the first team if the first team fails. Emphasis mine. If there's a sabotage D1, that means of the remaining players, it's likely 4 are town and 2 are scum. that means that if you pick only people who didn't go D1 it's VERY VERY hard to pick the correct 4-man team; you basically have to identify the two scum. It's really hard, and abandoning the entire D1 team is an easy way to give up the D2 mission too. It seems pretty obvious to me that Palmar is setting up for a sabotage D1, and trying to enable an easy sabotage D2. And now that I've caught him he's getting all butthurt. Come at me bro | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On February 22 2012 02:37 Palmar wrote: Well I'm still not sure what exactly your problem is. If you don't want the team to go, you must be certain that one of us is scum. So who is it? Clearly you haven't been reading my posts in a reasonable fashion, and have not been trying to. I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to convince the other 5 players who matter. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:41 Dirkzor wrote: But if Palmar is scum do you still think Navillus is scum also? God it's like nobody reads any of my posts | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On February 22 2012 02:44 Palmar wrote: lol BH, cute when mad. Also, I never suggested that we swap out the entire team after day 1 if day 1 fails. I suggested that we swap out ME. And you seem to be pretty content with that right? No that's literally retarded | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:44 Palmar wrote: I'm not pushing any strats, no idea what you're talking about. I'm pushing a team, where I pick two people I think are town, and then try to get people to yay-vote it. If you're not pushing them why are you suggesting all these crappy strats? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:45 Palmar wrote: Why? You seem to think I'm scum. So, it's only reasonable to assume Dirkzor and Navillus are town. If I'm scum there is very little incentive to take along another scum on day 1? right? So why not just swap out me if the team fails? Why is that "literally retarded"? YOU suggesting that you swap yourself out is retarded. you know your alignment. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
The "scum is worried about a total everyone swap" thing and the "hey let's just swap out palmar" thing that we're talking about. The former is dumb and the latter is dumb if you, Palmar, are town. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:46 Palmar wrote: show me the strats I'm suggesting. And make sure it's "all these" By the way you're talking it seems like i'm some scheming madman with tons of plans. I can't even remember suggesting one single plan? I've pointed out logic, but I mean, I know that shit flies right above your head. You suggested two and they're both bad. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On February 22 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: I'm just saying I'm that confident in my team. And again? From your point of view, why is that retarded? Let's entertain the idea for a second that the mission will fail with my team (it won't). It makes sense from your point of view, if you're town (you're not), to swap out the person you thought was scum on the team (me) and go again. I don't understand what's retarded. Are you intentionally this dense? Let me break it down for you: While it wouldn't be retarded for me to vote you out after your team fails, YOU personally know you're town (if you are, indeed, town). This means you know that either Dirk of Navillus is scum. Why on earth would YOU, the guy who suggested this course of action, be okay with Dirk Navillus +2 for the D2 team when you know it will fail? There's no reasonable way a town player would sit by and let that happen. This plan is dumb from your point of view and you know it. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:50 Palmar wrote: I never suggested we swap out everyone. It is however a possibility scum would certainly keep in mind. I know I did when I played scum last time. And the latter is just the logical conclusion for you, if you're town, but it seems to me you're not. As I said, anyone can feel free to hold me responsible if this team fails. I am that confident in me being right. See again with this "hold me responsible", if we do that three times with you and your two scumbuddies we've already lost. That earns you no credit in my book. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:51 Palmar wrote: Also, stop misrepresenting my points as "plans". I don't make plans and I don't appreciate you trying to paint the picture I do. You literally suggested that you'll "take responsibility" and step aside if your team loses. How the dicks are you not suggesting a plan >.> Or are you trying to dodge blame for it now that I have exposed its shittiness for all to see | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 22 2012 02:53 Palmar wrote: fuck it, you're scum and I'm getting mad. also, any townie that doesn't see what the fuck is going on here is dumb as hell. vote against my team then you asshole. I don't give a fuck, there are 5 people out there that might. seriously, what a joke. Already voted against your team. If you can't legitimately address my criticisms I'm sure everyone else will nay-vote you as well. | ||
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