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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote: That scumteam would be imba...I don't think Forumite would do that. This post is pretty dumb. I'm voting yay on Palmar's team because I have a town read on Palmar and I don't have a big problem with Dirkzor or Navilus. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:51 Dirkzor wrote: VE: if he was scum he would already know that scum was not allowed to communicate out of this thread. (had he tried to contact them they would have told him. Or so i assume) The other things he don't know only enforces that he really did not know about the scum communcation had to be in-thread. My point is that none of that is indicative of alignment. At all. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:57 prplhz wrote: This post is pretty dumb. I'm voting yay on Palmar's team because I have a town read on Palmar and I don't have a big problem with Dirkzor or Navilus. NO U | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
Yay: Palmar Prplhz kita? Nay: Sentinel BH VE? I havent voted yet | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 22 2012 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote: No, that's not what I'm saying - I'm saying that by telling town that you'll nay-vote any team that you're not a part of, you're forcing town to consider you as a part of their team by virtue of them having a guaranteed nay-vote if they don't. I expect you and everyone else to include themselves on their own D1 team, not to would be ridiculous, but that's not what you said - you said you'd nay-vote any team you're not a part of. That's scummy as shit Kita. You can think worse of me, but it makes the most sense from a game theory perspective. Here is the probability of selecting three town players from the pool of eight others: 5c3/8c3 = 17.8% chance of success Now here is the probability of selecting two other town players from the pool of eight players: 5c2/8c2 = 35.7% chance of success It's not the perfect model because its picking at random, but essentially I'm doubling our chances of success by including myself on the team. I understand if everyone would follow this plan, we could never agree on a team, but if I can convince others to include me, I'm furthering the town win condition. On February 22 2012 05:25 Palmar wrote: Kitaman is being so dumb he could be town. <3 On February 22 2012 05:25 Palmar wrote: Like sentinel and chaoser are also kinda scummy, but one of them is probably town, of those three that is. I'm not sure though Confusing chaos with chaoser? You shouldn't put up with that chaos. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
I just really think we can do better as far as a D1 team goes. Sent, Dirk, VE, and myself are all solid picks imo. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:10 kitaman27 wrote: You can think worse of me, but it makes the most sense from a game theory perspective. Here is the probability of selecting three town players from the pool of eight others: 5c3/8c3 = 17.8% chance of success Now here is the probability of selecting two other town players from the pool of eight players: 5c2/8c2 = 35.7% chance of success It's not the perfect model because its picking at random, but essentially I'm doubling our chances of success by including myself on the team. I understand if everyone would follow this plan, we could never agree on a team, but if I can convince others to include me, I'm furthering the town win condition. <3 Confusing chaos with chaoser? You shouldn't put up with that chaos. Yeah we had that discussion last Resistance. You're absolutely right, which is why selecting yourself for YOUR TEAM is optimal - but saying that you'll nay-vote any team that doesn't include you increases the odds of us not selecting a team in time, resulting in mission failure with NO information gained. It's a scum maneuver Kita, and you're scummy for doing it. I don't care how 'mathematically sound' it is from your perspective - we're supposed to be working together. You're not interested in working together. Like Palmar, you want everyone to work for you. Either get over yourself or don't participate in missions. That's basically what it boils down to, for me. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I mean, claiming you're town is one thing, but using it as evidence, saying "I should be on your team because I know I'm town" anyone could say that. I'm the Pope. Am I suddenly wearing white robes and sitting in the Vatican? No. So please stop using this as evidence. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:15 Dirkzor wrote: I'll vote yes now. I would post the same team (maybe switch palmar to someone else) anyway so I can't ask for something better at this point. Why not ask for something better? We have tons of time, and the deadline will extend if it needs to. I see no reason to settle for anything but the towniest D1 team possible. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
@Palmar What should we do with Dirkzor and Navilus if this team fails? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah we had that discussion last Resistance. You're absolutely right, which is why selecting yourself for YOUR TEAM is optimal - but saying that you'll nay-vote any team that doesn't include you increases the odds of us not selecting a team in time, resulting in mission failure with NO information gained. I was under the assumption that the team leaders would continue to rotate until one was selected. I asked in the thread, but received no reply. If this was the case, then obviously I would approve a team close to the deadline over no team at all. Are you honestly trying to say that I'm pushing a "skip the first mission" agenda? -_- Doesn't look like it matters though as the team looks to be approved. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote: @kitaman27 Are you saying that it's optimal town play to autonay any team that you are not on yourself? @Palmar What should we do with Dirkzor and Navilus if this team fails? Apparently Palmar's plan is to send a D2 team if Dirk Navi +2, excluding himself if his team fails. I'm SURE this must be a misunderstanding, but I've asked him numerous times and he keeps on claiming that this is what we should do D2, which makes no sense. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:19 kitaman27 wrote: I was under the assumption that the team leaders would continue to rotate until one was selected. I asked in the thread, but received no reply. If this was the case, then obviously I would approve a team close to the deadline over no team at all. Are you honestly trying to say that I'm pushing a "skip the first mission" agenda? -_- Doesn't look like it matters though as the team looks to be approved. Team leaders rotate until one is selected, and I think the deadline gets extended if we get too close. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote: @kitaman27 Are you saying that it's optimal town play to autonay any team that you are not on yourself? Yep, unless its close to the deadline, like mentioned before. Obviously, I can't prove to anyone my alignment until I'm included, but I know my own alignment and it would be silly not to push an advantage if it were obtainable. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 22 2012 06:19 Blazinghand wrote: Apparently Palmar's plan is to send a D2 team if Dirk Navi +2, excluding himself if his team fails. I'm SURE this must be a misunderstanding, but I've asked him numerous times and he keeps on claiming that this is what we should do D2, which makes no sense. That question was clearly not addressed to you. Why are you answering a question for Palmar? | ||
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