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Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
January 31 2012 05:42 GMT
#51
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Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 03:57 GMT
#73
Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. Obviously, the forces of chaos are at work...

Need to understand all the players. Hrmmm...
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 03:59 GMT
#75
Well, I mean I want to hear from everyone before I vote. That's all.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 04:17 GMT
#77
I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 04:52 GMT
#82
On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote:

I have the same position as Timeaisis. I want to hear everyone say at least one thing before we decide who to kill first... that doesn't change the fact that there are people on this ship who must be killed in the name of the emperor. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances.


Agreed. But if someone remains silent for too long we may have no choice but to choose them.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 05:42 GMT
#88
OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. So what is the best strategy, D1? Lynch or no lynch? Its seems both of those are in favor of scum, but I guess we just have to play it by ear.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 06:50 GMT
#94
I agree. But not because probablity. 25% isn't great, but you're right that it'll only get worse. I think we should lynch the first night because if we don't the agents of chaos may start to get comfortable. I figure we need to lynch so they know immediately we're out for them and we don't think twice about accidently killing our own. If we don't lynch, then all we have the next day is more talk, which may still yield nothing. At least lynching someone will promote some sort of reaction from the rest of us, giving us more to go on next time.

My two cents, anyway.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 17:28 GMT
#123
Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.

On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though...
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 17:30 GMT
#124
Also, in regards to the fact that I agreed with Sinensis argument in the beginning of the game. He was pretty much the first person to talk strategy, and most of it I agreed with (namely D1 Lycnh), however I never agreed with RNGing. I think we have a better chance if we think it through.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 17:54 GMT
#128
Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.

By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 17:58 GMT
#129
OK, well I checked and it looks like everyone has posted something, however Vilonis had one introductory post and hasn't said anything since. So...

##Vote: Vilonis

No offense man, I just want a response.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 18:31 GMT
#133
Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 21:20 GMT
#144
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).

But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 21:22 GMT
#145
Sorry, Edit:

##Unvote: Visoni
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#147
Yeah, I mentioned bandwagoning because prphlz did it without any logic to back it up. I at least gave a reason and I think both mderg and Sinensis are on to something here. So, yeah bandwagoning is bad when its mindless. But when there's good reasoning behind it I call it "agreement". And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 00:43 GMT
#158
On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote:
Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.

On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though...


So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move?

As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this.

Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote:
Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying.


Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least-

Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).

But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions?




Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now.

So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't...
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 02:55 GMT
#168
On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:
I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.


Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum.

##Vote Timeaisis


I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 03:43 GMT
#170
Good to know.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#184
On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote:
EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.

##Unvote: Sinensis
##Vote: Timeasis


Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.



Two things:

First: Thank you TheToast. I appreciate the defense.

Second: I love how I get accused of bandwagoning and then see this.

All you're doing is making it obvious that you and sentinel are scum. I could do an analysis of reasons why, but you pretty much explained it with that post. But, since I think sentinel is still more of a threat, I'm keeping my vote on him. Obviously, that may change quickly.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#185
On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote:

Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today.



Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote:
FoS: Sentinel
FoS: prplhz
FoS: Bluelightz

For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.

I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.

Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.

TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.

That is all for now.


Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.

Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.


On February 03 2012 09:28 Bluelightz wrote:
Who I think is scum:

Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!

Sinensis:
Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.


FoS:Sinensis
FoS:Timeaisis


Ah, why does bluelightz think I'm worth lynching? Because I want to lynch prplhz and Sentinel. Looks like he's coming to their defense. And why does he want to lynch Sinensis, he claims because of random lynching, but I think its because of Sinensis' previous FoS post.

It's obvious to me that Sentinel, bluelightz, and prplhz are all against me and Sinensis, due to the fact they both bandwagoned us at different times. So, here's the question. If you are against sentinel, you need to be against bluelightz and prplhz too.

That's all I got for now.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 21:19 GMT
#202
On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:

A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.


Just to clear this up real quick: EchelonTee, I don't think you're scum, I just don't like you. So I'm in now way advocating your lynch. Don't group me with people who are voting based on emotion. I'm being practical here. It's me or Sentinel, and obviously, I'm not voting for myself, so I'm voting for sentinel. Couple that with the fact I think sentinel is scum, and that's a very logical vote coming from me. You can analyze it all you want, but it makes pretty good sense.

Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 23:04 GMT
#225
On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote:
Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?

I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.

It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia.

Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see.

Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum.

Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.


I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my:

1) early voting
2) general neutrality early game
3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him)

Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum?

In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 04 2012 00:59 GMT
#251
As I said before, it doesn't seem to matter what I do now. And since Bluelightz has always been suspicious, I have no gripe changing my vote now. Doesn't really seem to matter, anyway.

##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
##Vote: Bluelightz
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