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On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote: HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD? SPACE MARINES, AAAAAHHHTTTTAAAAAAACCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On January 31 2012 02:33 GMarshal wrote: Can we be done with the caplocks now? They make my eyes hurt. -_- Hmmm this sounds awful chaos-y to me. Who else would object to paying homage to our great and mighty emperor? | ||
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For the Glory of the Imperium!!!! | ||
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On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. So what is the best strategy, D1? Lynch or no lynch? Its seems both of those are in favor of scum, but I guess we just have to play it by ear. Ahhh don't take advice from anyone in game once it has started, you have no idea who could be chaos (mafia) and is feeding you bad information. Go read the sticky-ed strategy threads in the mafia forum if you need help. Though I suppose the very nature of that advice precludes you from taking the advice I just gave you.... well okay don't take any in-game advice from people starting.... now. For the glory of the Emperor! | ||
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On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote: hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight You've already gotten one vote for lynching, and you have nothing to say about that? | ||
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Here are the things that have my attention: -sinani206: has been very quiet so far, even after getting early voted. This is unlike him, though usually he's one of the loudest people. -Bluelightz: Voted Sinensis, then unvoted Sinensis, then voted Sinensis again after he saw [UoN]Sentinel and prplhz also vote Sinesis; both without any significant analysis. To me, this sure seems like an attempt by scum to manipulate town... | ||
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Which makes me suspicious of prplhz's absurdly early vote against him. | ||
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On February 03 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote: Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon. Actually Bluelightz called out Sinensis first, then went back on it, then voted him again when Sentinel hopped on the wagon. prplhz actually voted sinani206 first. Why are you so convinced Sinesis is not scum? | ||
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On February 03 2012 02:14 Nisani201 wrote: Scum, especially newb scum, wouldn't say something like "let me decide who to RNG list" and put themselves in the spotlight like that. Bluelightz voted Sinesis too but unvoted before there was any sort of opposition, which doesn't seem very scummy to me. Unless he is employing "counter timing" whereby as scum he does something really stupid that makes himself overtly look like scum thereby averting all suspicions of him being scum. O-o Though I agree that at the moment there isn't enough evidence against Sinesis to make any definitive scum call, I can't say for certain he is not. For reference, Bluelightz actually voted Sinesis, unvoted Sinesis, then voted Sinesis when Sentinel hopped on board, then unvoted Sinesis again when I called him out. | ||
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Why you keep advocating dumb vote systems, over just figuring out who is scum and killing them, is beyond me. Why are you so against the idea of analysis? Scum have 1 kp per night in this game. Meaning if we accidentally lynch a town member Mafia will then kill another town member. So no, we cannot risk just randomly killing someone. We need to figure out who is scum and lynch them today or go no lynch. (I prefer the d1 lynch, but if we can't agree better to lose only 1 townie instead of 2). Also, we've been talking about options for the last few pages. You are so far one of the few who have not put forward some ideas about who should go down for the D1 lynch. You keep trying to railroad the thread towards your ideas but you have provided almost no analysis about who you think is scum. I would call you out for being scum, but I can't help but think that if you were the other two mafia members would be trying to get you to stop posting stuff. On February 03 2012 02:54 Timeaisis wrote: Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes. By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response. See that may have been a good idea if you hadn't announced it to the whole thread. | ||
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Who is looking scummy to you right now? | ||
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On February 03 2012 06:19 Sinensis wrote: I'm just going to point this out from prplhz's only big post: and then later on down the post votes sinani206, the other veteran. Are you using the same strategy as last game prplhz? You scum this game too? Also I noticed you changed your vote to me as soon as I was the first one to even attempt to talk organization/strategy. I noticed that too. I'm curious, who do you think should get taken down first? | ||
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On February 03 2012 07:19 Sinensis wrote: So far Sentinal, prplhz, and Bluelightz. I haven't narrowed it down to one yet but as of this moment it's them, in that order. Bluelightz could easily be innocent...Sentinal and prplhz I'm not so sure about. If it's not Bluelightz, who do you think the third person could be? | ||
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Right now I'm convinced that Bluelightz is Scum. But first let's start off with why Sinesis: is a townie. I was pretty worried about him a few pages back, he seemed to be advocating for a vote system that clearly was a benefit to Mafia. After I called him out about it, suddendly he started suspecting the same people that a few posts earlier I had expressed suspecion about and then said I was confirmed town. Odd. But in reviewing his posts, I found two interesting details: Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. To me these quotes suggest that Sinesis really just doesn't know how the game works. His idea about the "vote leader" also suggests townie to me, Mafia would know they could just use their KP on that person. Newer mafia player is also going to be much more reserved, rather than come out loudly suggesting terrible ideas. I think an agent of the enemy would look fairer, and feel fowler Bluelightz Let's start with the obvious scum. His first post is a dead giveaway: + Show Spoiler [Long Ass Post] + On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote: Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, ##Vote: Sinensis No one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTING How many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits + Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO) Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep. Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post. Spoilering because it is STUPID long What is all of this? Is any of this useful information? No. This is all pointless junk that bluelightz threw in because he wanted to make it seem like he was doing some in depth analysis. What he really did was just call out the townie who was being the loudest and avocating a dumb idea. A very clear Mafia tactic. Look back, it was actually bluelightz who started the bandwagon on Sinesis. After Sinesis accuses him of having an agenda, Bluelightz immediately changes course and unvotes Sinesis. Then prplhz hops on the bandwagon (remember this) as does [UoN]Sentinel. Based on this development Bluelightz decides to again vote for Sinesis. (why in the world would two other people voting for the same guy make you change your vote???) When I called out Bluelightz for this very thing, he AGAIN changed course and unvoted Sinesis. After ET calls out Timeasis, Bluelightz again hops on the bandwagon and FOS's him. Then bluelightz changes him mind AGAIN and votes mdrg + Show Spoiler [Another Long Ass Post] + On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mderg Sinensis Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it Sinani please post some more, ty! Interesting thing here is the defense of Sentinel. "Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him". Okay. Then proceeds to "see" why Timeasis went against Sentinel. You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Now wait, this seems more like you are telling Timeasis should not vote Sentinel. Not really a fair analysis. Then he proceeds to "analyze" Mderg. On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) Wait, so we went from seeing "why" people were bandwagoning on Sentinel (without giving ANY reason why you thought Sentinel was clean) to accusing mderg in one paragraph. Wtf? I also find it interesting that after mderg points out what may be a mafia slip up from Sentinel, you immediately start attacking him. Smooth. What's the defense to all of this? ~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look KIND OF???? At this point I am 100% convinced that Bluelightz is Chaos scum, and he would seem to have inadvertantly fingered Sentinel along with him. Right now I'm going Bluelightz as I am very sure he is Mafia, less so about Sentinel. I would prefer to take out the confirmed scum first, but if we get close to Night 1 and most votes are still on Sentinel, I will switch to ensure we get the 7 needed. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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I'm not entirely sure who the third is yet. I have some ideas, but not enough evidence to make a definate claim. If we get some more responses from people I'll let you know. As I said I'm fairly confident Sentinel is the second, but not 100% sure. Also, I'm fairly confident sinani206 is town. If he was Mafia, he would be much more active this game. He's vet enough to know that when Mafia Lurk they tend to lose. | ||
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On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote: This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. | ||
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On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't. ##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. That's exactly what I was waiting for. The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm] This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious. | ||
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On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos. Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. Also you forgot about our lurker-in-cheif BaronFel. Who for some reason is still got his vote on Sinesis and only 2 posts. Idleness leads to heresy | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote: @TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Nope. I've made my points clear and I think some of your posts speak for themselves. No point in responding to you further, you are just going to turn them back on me with absurd arguments to further muddy the waters. Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight I'm unsure where you have gotten this assumption that one of the two is getting lynched. This smells like scummy railroading. If you want to lynch Timeasis, you are going to need my vote, which you are not going to get. Bluelightz earlier defense of Sentinel made it pretty clear he wouldn't be voting for him. So if you want to lynch Sentinel, you are going to need both Vilonis and BaronFel to switch over. It seems unlikely to me that you are going to get BaronFel given how much of a lurker he's been. In that likely situation, you are again going to need my vote. Unless someone can come up with some really convincing arguments or analysis against Sentinel in the next few hours I'm not sure you will be voting for him either. I'd prefer to lynch day 1, but I would rather see a no lynch instead of a townie lynched. The fact that we are being forced into picking from Sentinel or Timeasis when prplhz and bluelightz are oozing scummy-ness (something to which several people in this thread have agreed to) has me pretty worried. | ||
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In the same post where I put up the analysis for Bluelights I said that I wasn't 100% sure about Sentinel and that's why I was preferring to lynch bluelightz day 1. I did say that I would be willing to switch to Sentinel, but now I'm not so sure about that. I want to wait and see what else comes up in the next few hours. You're right, maybe my analysis of prplhz wasn't rock solid, I'm still convinced he's scum but maybe I need to do a bit more in depth analysis to make that point. But I'm thinking we at least agree on Bluelightz, as does Timeaisis. So why aren't we looking at this guy for a D1 lynch?? | ||
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The more posts I read of Sentinel's the more I am convinced he is not under the control of the warp-spawn. This all started on Page 6 where he posted the following: and to whic Nisani responded with the following: On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel When questioned by mdreg as to why he just voted Sentinel Nisani had the following reason: On February 03 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote: Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon. First of all, Bluelightz was the first to call out Sinesis, then prplhz jumped on him, then followed by Sentinels vote and post of "I'm sold". At this point, to me he's looking likely a bad town player and there is no reason to suspect he is chaos-y scum. Even Nisani admitted here it could just as easily have been prplhz. The next mention of Sentinel as scum came from Sinesis, when I prompted him to list his thoughts: On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win. I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis. Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me. TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor. That is all for now. Basically his was the same reasoning as Nisani, Sentinel because he jumped on the anti-Sinesis bandwagon. Again this proves nothing in terms of him being chaos. Next evidence came from mdreg's analysis of Sentinel, which was in response to Sentinel's defense of himself: On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote: Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel The point about Day 1 is null, many people comonly believe that Day 1 isn't very useful as blue's haven't had the chance to use their abilities. In itself this means nothing. Important item here is mdreg's point about how Sentinel assumes there is a Vigilante and a Hedonist in the game. Is that really so suspicious? Is someone really scum because they assume there is a Vigilante and a framer in the game? His post was certainly strange, and didn't make a whole lot of sense. But again, that could simply point to bad town player. Next came Timeaisis: On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable). But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel So in other words Timeasis made his decision on Sentinel because he's posting more than prphlz and from mderg's suspicion. This is not a reasonable conclusion of scummyness. As stated, mderg's vote on Sentinel was based on the fact that he assumed there is a Vigilante and Framer in game. Neither of these things mean anything. Sentinel responded with the following: On February 03 2012 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction). This seems pretty reasonable to me. 3 roles out of 9 townies seems normal, and to have one of those as a Vigilante seems again completely normal. I don't see how this condems him to scumhood. Then Sinesis chimed in with a well thought out analysis: On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait, where was the analysis again? So at this point we have a number of votes against Sentinel with NO good evidence that he is actually scum. There are only TWO things left for me that make me suspecios of Sentinel. -First as I mentioned before here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=9#176 Bluelightz aimlessly going to bat for Sentinel and "analyzing" the people who voted for him is strange. He gives no reason for it, give no reason for not analyzing Sentinel and instead going after the people who voted for him. As I mentioned before, however, this is circumstantial evidence. Bluelightz could have just been screwing with us. -Second thing is his fixation on Timeaisis. On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis Seems that this is a retribution vote. "You voted me so now I'm going to vote you". Seems strange, but again does not really prove he is scum. Circumstantial evidence again. Given this, I really don't see myself voting Sentinel. The case against him is weak, and Bluelightz is again the most confirmed scum in my book. I am not changing my vote. Just f-5ed and it looks like prplhz agrees with me. Didn't expect that, but evidence is what evidence is and there is none here. | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:15 sinani206 wrote: OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand, THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mderg Also @prplhz: lol Nope, I'm good right where I am. Timeaisis or Sentinel may be scum, but I don't think there is enough evidence against either one. Since you all seem to have rejected the logic of my plan, I hope you all get really lucky. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:33 Bluelightz wrote: Even though I hate last minute vote switching I guess to make sure we have a lynch d1. ##Unvote: mderg ##Vote: Timeaisis Let's have a look at the vote tallies as of right now: On February 02 2012 08:11 ZBot wrote: Votecount for day 1. With twelve alive it takes 7 to lynch. Current votes: Timeaisis (7): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg Bluelightz (3): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis mderg (1): Bluelightz [UoN]Sentinel (1): Nisani201 (0): sinani206 (0): Vilonis (0): prplhz (0): Sinensis (0): Not voting: The Day deadline is at 2012-02-04 12:00:00. (That's approximately 1:28:34 from now.) Let's assume that we are all right about Sinesis and that he is in fact not mafia. That leaves only three conclusions possible at this point: 1: I am Mafia. 2: Mafia is voting for one of their own 3: You all are wrong about Timeaisis I suppose that #2 is possible, they have decided that by piling on top of time the remaining two can go unseen. But since at this exact moment it would only take one of them to change their votes to save Time, I find this unlikely. However I sure hope it's #2, because #3 is looking really likely right now... | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:36 Sinensis wrote: You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis" This is so obvious. I'm thinking this is very likely the case. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:40 Sinensis wrote: Imbeciles. Unless we were wrong about you, in which case Mafia already has pulled one vote off Time. Either way I guess we will find out in an hour or so as it doesn't look like anyone else is going to budge. Not sure what sinani is doing either. | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:11 EchelonTee wrote: Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you? Because I was right all along and it's in Mafia's best interest to get rid of the person whose on the right track. | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing. Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was. Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. Most logical? Being that the case was WRONG I find that hard to believe. Especially since Bluelightz has been screaming scum from page 5. Seeing you constantly making these bizzare statements is absurd. You were wrong, I was right. If you are not scum you must be one of the worst town players in this game. But that is not the case. No the warp spawn have you in their control. Your sole has been lost in the endless sea of flux, your heart corrupted by the power of the chaos gods. By the emperor I will see you and bluelights lynched for your heresy!!! | ||
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On February 04 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote: There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani. Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani? Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP Are you accusing me of being able to see into the future? O.o I've been thinking sinani is town, but vote selection has me wondering. When he switched his vote, Time had 8 votes against him already. It was also done at the 11th hour (I think there was maybe 20 minutes left?) and therefore it unlikely that two other votes would be changed; the number needed to stop the lynching of Time. That means means Sinani could easily have thrown his vote onto a Mafia just to keep suspicion off of him. A combination of options #2 and #3 that I listed in the post you linked. Then again he could also just be lurking (for good reason). Either way, I don't think there is enough evidence against Sinani to make a definite call one way or the other. At least not yet. For the moment I think we should proceed as though he were town, but with some suspicion on him. | ||
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On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote: Sorry Time  , Hope we can be friends later on >.<The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Why are you writing this? What's your motivation here? Obviously there was at least one mafia voting Time, it was you lol. | ||
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prplhz is scum, no question. For right now I'm going to ignore his strange early vote against Sinani. prplhz claimed it was a "joke vote". Maybe it was, idk. But it could also be that he is using that to cover up a very early and very bad attempt to start a bandwagon. Either way this is not in itself good evidence IMO (a later statement about this does though, so I will come back to this) What does add up to evidence against him, IMO is his constant short pointless posts that seemed to constantly be pushing town in the wrong direction. First of these was very early D1: On February 02 2012 19:53 prplhz wrote: We're lynching today. Are we? No explanation as to why, no analysis of the setup or why it's in our best interest? With all things being the same, D1 lynch benefits mafia. With good analysis town can turn this into their favor. Doesn't prove anything, but made me suspicious early on. On February 02 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote: [/b][/b]##Unvote: sinani206 ##Vote: Sinensis He's talking about no-lynching and he's making stupid lists. Rest is fluff. I think we found ourselves a scum here and I guess sinani206 will have to wait. The second person to get the bandwagon moving against Sinesis. Take a look at the second half of this post though. "sinani206 will have to wait" Will have to wait? This doesn't sound like someone who was making a joke post. If it was a joke, why not say "lol, I was just joking about Sinani"?? Or "Sinani isn't really scum IMO, just joking"?? His choice of word here to me indicates that he was earlier quiet serious about Sinani. My guess is that there was some disagreement among the scum. prplhz likely wanted to take out Sinani early as he is a vet scum hunter (a good move) but then bluelightz decided Sinesis was the better tartget; forcing prplhz into backing Bluelightz to avoid looking completely scummy from page 5. (I imagine there were some angry and hilarious PMs flooding between these two lol) His reasoning here was also strange. Bluelightz at least added a bunch of fluff to make it look like he was analyzing Sinesis, prplhz didn't even do that. He's didn't even make any lists at this point. Sinesis was also advocating against a no-lynch, I have no idea what prplhz was talking about here; likely a terrible attempt to get the members of town who didn't read Sinesis's posts clearly to bandwagon (which unbelievably worked). On February 02 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: You're dead, scum. Now if you want to talk fluff... This to me is a dead giveaway of someone trying to start a bandwagon on a townie. No analysis, no quotes, just a one liner intended to try to focus the attention of non-critical townies. Why would you even post this? What's the point here? At this point there had been <10 posts discussing why Sinesis might be scum, was prplhz really that terribly convinced by those few short posts? Would a vet really fall into that trap?? On February 03 2012 12:53 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna post more tomorrow. My two first posts were primarily meant to get this game started fast so I posted semi-controversial things. I'm surprised no one went more crazy over my first post where I joke-voted, people usually go crazy about that. The second vote got people going though, keep it relevant and transparent, but most important of all, keep it coming. I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game. @sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me? Here's where the "joke vote" claim came in that I was discussing before. This was after Sinani called him out on page 9 and after a few people listed him as suspicious. The "I'll post more later" is a typical tactic of someone who is backed into a corner and isn't sure how to get out. I'm not sure what point he's trying to make with this "controversial" claim. This is essentially like saying "To move the game along I just posted a bunch of pointless stupid shit", which makes no sense given that one of the goals of town is to avoid muddying the waters with garbage. Either this makes him a really terrible townie, which I find hard to believe since he is a bit of a vet, or more likely he is scum (whose goal is to intentionally muddy the waters). After I made my argument against Bluelightz and defense of Timeaisis at the bottom of page 9, prphlz comes back with this quip: On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't. ##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. Analysis of my argument??? Analysis of ET's argument???? NOPE!!!!! "we need to lynch someone so kill Time. Really? No thoughts on this at all? Why are you so sure it's a good idea to kill Time? Why are you so intent on lynching someone based on one short analysis of someone?? I called him out about this very thing and he responded as such: On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote: On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly. On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today. As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you? Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on. It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this.[/QUOTE] First thing; the number of spelling mistakes and broken BBcode tags in this post suggest to me that it was rather hastily assembled (something we don't see in any of his other posts). Nervous maybe that he just made a huge slip up? I'll admit, he was right about the first point. I mistakenly believed this game was balanced. His second point is interesting "you don't know how he plays scum". My argument was basically that a first time Mafia player is likely to lurk more and be less outspoken. A fair assumption, and something that most Mafia guides support. He also twisted my point about Sinani. I said Sinani was likely town because as a VET player, he would know that when Mafia lurks they tend to lose. As a NEW player, Time would likely not understand that too well. prphlz is also a vet, he knows exactly what I was talking about, such a blatant attempt to (badly) twist my point is a good tell for me. His last point is a wash for me, I did what I think was a pretty decent analysis of Bluelightz and brought up some good points. Disagreeing with that doesn't necessarily make him scum IMO. I think I have already covered his last point about his early vote decently. On February 04 2012 05:16 prplhz wrote: @Timeasis You don't lynch someone just because there isn't an elaborate defense of them. I think EchelonTee pointed out a lot of good points about you and I already found you scummy for those and additional reasons which is why I am pushing you. His persistence against Time is interesting now that we know Time was town, but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument, so this itself does not prove anything. On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote: @TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider? I'm not sure where he got this idea that was using the same argument for Time being town as prphlz for being scum. What was my argument against prphlz? Let's take a look: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote: That's exactly what I was waiting for. The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm] This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious. ^^This was my initial argument against prphlz. Calling people out without any analysis or responding to any of Time's points. I did not use this as my argument for why Time was town. prphlz was talking out his butt at this point to save his neck. prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum. On February 04 2012 09:17 prplhz wrote: @sinani206 Switch to Timeaisis. [UoN]Sentinel is a fucking horrible lynch and if you gathered any skill at all over your SEVEN FUCKING TEEN games then you should know this. There are way more than this, but I don't want this to get any longer. Then there was this: On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast? Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing, so why not try to get him to write another? On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing. Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was. Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. This last one was the best. Most logical case? Ironic considering prphlz used about one of the least logical arguments possible to refute my defense of Time. To me, this is prphlz clearly trying to cover his tracks here. His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time. By trying to claim that it was all based on logical analysis, he thinks he can make himself look townie. But in reality, the only thing that explains all of his actions, his bad arguments, and every other point I've brought up here is that he is mafia. No question in my mind. Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight, let me summerize: Scum: Bluelightz prphlz If we have a vigilante on the team, you know what you have to do. If not then guys, MAKE SURE ONE OF THESE TWO IS LYNCHED DAY 2! For reference here is my posts on Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=9#176 I'm not entirely sure who the third member is, my two candidates are [UoN]Sentinel and EchelonTee -Sentinel looks like the most likely candidate. Bluelightz and prphlz have both defended him, and he was the third person on the early bandwagon against Sinesis. His posting is pretty clean though, and the analysis against him was not at all conclusive. I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him. -EchelonTee I think is the only other candidate for #3. The only reason I bring him up is for his terrible analysis of Time, I mean like really bad analysis. If you actually read Time's posting it should be really clear he was town. However I cannot find any other clues in his posts that would indicate he is scum, probably just really bad at analysis. prphlz also continued to use ET's analysis as reasoning for lynching Time, but I think he just saw bad analysis that he could take advantage of. I could be wrong about that though. | ||
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On February 05 2012 09:08 EchelonTee wrote: It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with. Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz. Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town. [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.[/QUOTE] This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis[/QUOTE] I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.[quote] There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.  [/QUOTE]Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE] Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"??? Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE] I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. .[/QUOTE] directly stating [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]restating badness [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. [/QUOTE] this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts.[/QUOTE] Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you??? I loved this one two: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. [/QUOTE] funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago [/QUOTE] Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW..... You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points. The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug. [QUOTE]On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast. I'll respond to your accusations a bit later.[/QUOTE] Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do. If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right. [QUOTE]On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him.[/quote] This makes no sense to me. [quote] So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched?[/quote] Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you. [quote]Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily.[/QUOTE] I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. 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On February 05 2012 10:55 TheToast wrote: Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town. There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new: On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"??? Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here: On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: directly stating restating badness this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts. Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you??? I loved this one two: On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote: funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW..... You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points. The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug. On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast. I'll respond to your accusations a bit later. Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do. If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right. On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense. Now you're helping knock out reason #2. If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him. This makes no sense to me. So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched? Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you. Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly. | ||
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On February 05 2012 11:41 EchelonTee wrote: Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff. Yes it does make you suspicious. Doesn't mean you are scum though, as I said I don't think there is enough evidence to make a call against a third person. Just that you and Sentinel should be on everyone's radar. You are right about half the town being inactive though. Makes it much easier for Mafia to hide out among them. On February 05 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote: Why are you assuming that sinani is town? or that he is next best target? Hopefully we are close enough to the Day 2 deadline without getting him killed. I'm pretty sure Sinani is a blue. It makes sense. Sinani is a vet, he's also a good confirmed scum hunter. I think he knows Mafia would be gunning for him from the beginning. By laying low he has the best chance of making it past day one and using his night power. If he were chaos he would have been much more active and been manipulating people all along. Of course the very nature of a lurker means I don't have much evidence to back up this theory, but it seems to fit IMO. I hope you are right about me staying alive. If I do die though, town avenge me. Burn the heretics!!!!!!!!! | ||
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And I was really fucking wrong about Sinani. I'm wondering who the vigilante is and how they knew. Either way it's time to go after the next most competent mafia. ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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On February 05 2012 12:02 prplhz wrote: This was my defense by the way, since I'm confirmed town I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on your case TheToast. We can talk about it after the game if you want to  Did I miss something???? | ||
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On February 05 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: The post just above that. I'm the vigilante who shot sinani206 making me confirmed town. Can you give us anything more than your word to go on? How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up? And if you are indeed town, who are the other two mafia, besides bluelightz?? | ||
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On February 05 2012 12:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale? Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game. I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though. | ||
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Only interesting things he did was his vote on Nisani201 and backing me up. | ||
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On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz. If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something. List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On February 06 2012 23:36 prplhz wrote: Why is no one listening to me when I say that Bluelightz is not the scummiest around? Am I not confirmed town? Did I not just prove that I'm in touch with this game by shooting a scum day1? Instead you're all still just tunneling him and everybody tunneling one guy isn't a good town environment. Imagine we decide to lynch Bluelightz and he flips town. Then what? When did you say this? Who would you rather lynch? And for someone who is so "in touch" with this game, you sure as hell managed to get a townie lynched day one. Even argued passionately to do so. Don't act like you are the best Mafia player in the world, you screwd up big on that one. If he does flip town, I don't see how it's a big deal, he hasn't been helping town in any way at all. He keeps making long worthless posts that don't lead to anything or offer anything useful. I would be very, very surprised if he wasn't scum. On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote: Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. | ||
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On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote: If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. | ||
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On February 07 2012 00:30 mderg wrote: There is no accusation. I just thought that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I? Because your muddying the waters. We have now spent half a page discussing your "comment"; directing attention away from important things like finding and lynching the servents of the warps spawn. If you aren't making a serious accusation, there's no need to make those types of comments. Just makes it easier for Mafia to divert the attention of the town. | ||
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On February 07 2012 00:50 prplhz wrote: Why I said that Bluelightz isn't the scummiest around? So that you guys will not just go "Meh, Lets just lynch Bluelightz". There are two scum left and this is a terrible town environment for doing scum hunting. Also, it is true, I don't think Bluelightz is the scummiest around. You mean so we don't have a repeat of Day 1? I did actually write an argument with quotes and everything against Bluelightz. His discourse day 2 has not done anything to even remotely clear him either. As I said, even on the very slim chance that he flips town, I don't see how losing him will hurt us in terms of being able to effectively hunt scum. Because I'm confirmed town I have the right to be a lot less transparent because the reason for transparency in the first place is to convince everybody else of your innocence and I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town. I'll still try to promote a good town environment though by trying to get you guys to do something other than just tunneling the same guy and posting fluff. If this comes off as "he thinks he's the best player in the world" to you, then cool. That's kinda what I was trying to come off as to scum. Whether or not I truly believe in it is irrelevant to this game. Just because you are confirmed town doesn't mean you are right. You still have to back your arguments against people with evidence and analysis. What I'm seeing is a lot of you just calling people out on a whim, that's what got Time killed Day 1. If you have more time now, great, write up a nice long analysis of whoever you think is the "scummiest" so we can actually evaluate your position. I don't see how this makes me "bitchy". But if you are confirmed town, then you are doing a great job of helping scum by fomenting infighting. On February 07 2012 01:01 prplhz wrote: Okay I've become pretty sure that Bluelightz is town and I'll oppose that lynch. We should lynch Sinensis instead because I think he's scum. ##Vote: Sinensis Yeah, see this is not helping town. Quotes? Analysis? Rebuttle to my argument against Bluelightz? | ||
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On February 07 2012 01:06 Bluelightz wrote: BaronFel has been inactive for more then 24 hours. Last post: February 05 2012 14:52 This post: February 07 2012 01:05(as of posting) Did you have a point? Or are you just going to keep throwing out pointless statistics? I can do that too. Bluelightz is: mafia. Times he has attempted to defend himself: 0 | ||
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Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. As hard as I tried I could not resolve these posts into any theory in which Sinesis was scum. A Mafia player would know that Mafia who they all are from the beginning of the game. Sure, it could be that he is a really super good scum player, but given the stupid nonsense he was spewing on page 5 does anyone really believe that? I find it hard to believe that a scum player would utilize a plan where they draw tons of attention to themselves by advocating heavy handed voting tactics which in turn starts a bandwagon against them; all relying on someone to discover some obscure clues they dropped early in the game to clear themselves. I don't buy this. And believe me, I was pretty convinced of Sinesis's guilt before I saw those quotes and tried as hard as I could to fit them into my theory. I could not find a way to do so that made any sense. | ||
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He was a vanilla townie, and you will note that almost all of his posts are short one-liners. He's not making any lists, he's not posting pointless statistics. Compare this to Student Mafia, where Bluelights was a replacement Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=235418 There's not terribly many of them as he was put in as a replacement fairly late in the game, but note the number of long posts with big quotes. At least 5-7 out of the 15 or so posts during the game. All of them have almost no content or analysis but use big long quotes to fill up space. Exactly what he's done in this game. While he did make some longer posts during Purgatory Mafia, they for the most part actually attempt to make some analysis like this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=106#2105 He's also regularly giving his reads on people like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=21#410 He also actually defended himself against accusations of scumminess: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=118#2345 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=126#2504 Bluelights has done none of these things in this game. Combined with the other evidence I am having a hard time as to how anyone can consider him cleared. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. I don't disagree with this. However you have yet to respond to the issue that I have brought up twice now about the early game posts he made. Unless you can come up with a very good explanation of how those integrate with your theory of him being scum, I am not moving my vote. | ||
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I don't think Sinesis got too terribly pissed off after Night 1. Even if he did, your arguing that basically he is a terrible scum who can't help but obviously show how much of a scum he is. Terrible scum players don't leave deeply hidden criptic clues behind that could potentially clear them of being scum. This is a straw man argument if I've ever seen one. | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:22 mderg wrote: That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him. And bluelightz defense was convincing? | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:12 EchelonTee wrote: Woops forgot the colon. I'll be back before deadline. Placeholder vote in case my brain explodes. ##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch At this point it doesn't look like anyone is going to have to try to make that happen. | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: Yeah Sinesis is right, Timeaisis was basically lynched by ET and prphlz. ET's analysis was terrible and prphlz keep trying to railroad everyone into it. On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today. ##Vote: Sinensis Omg, we've been over this already. Sinani's vote was actually on Sentinel for most of day 1. Then Sinani changed his vote to Bluelightz with just a few minutes left in the game, well after 8 votes were already on Time. There was literally no chance of Sinani's vote causing Bluelightz to get lynched. (which in retrospect should have been a signal that Sinani was not playing for town but I admit I missed it...) | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:14 Sinensis wrote: FoS: BaronFel wtf is this? | ||
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Can we please stop listening to prplhz now? | ||
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*cue prplhz's annoying blurb about how he is confirmed town and how that means he's right* It's time we get fucking serious about hunting the heretics. Homework for everyone except prplhz night 2, post your thoughts and analysis about ALL of the following people: mderg, EchelonTee, Nisani201 | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:19 EchelonTee wrote: you're so bad and hypocritical its not even funny. at least sinensis was blatant about it. Innocent townies lynched by you 2/2 Innocent townies lynched by me 0. FoS: EchelonTee You'll remember that I said the third person was either you or Sentinel. Sentinel is looking awfully clean right now. | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story. Ahh yes, let's lynch another townie! | ||
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On February 07 2012 12:38 GMarshal wrote: Can we tone down the hostility a wee bit please? Thanks ^_^ I thought you were going to bed? We'll behave, I promise GM. I'll tone back the RPing. :/ | ||
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Just want to know how much time I have left to write up my thoughts. | ||
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On February 08 2012 04:08 prplhz wrote: If you trusted me then why didn't you vote with me? Did any of the rest of you back down because they trust in confirmed townies and because they think I'm a good scumhunter? (I DID kill a scum night1, that's not too bad you know) Kinda looks like you're making this shit up. Anyway, I'm decided. I'm pushing you tomorrow. What? Don't you think if Nisani were scum that he would have been voting on the town lynching bandwagon with you both days? Don't you think Nisani would have wanted to kill Time and Sinesis? Idk what to make of this, unless this is just a CYA thing because you are afraid of getting shot tonight. | ||
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As I said before, I'm not sure about Nisani being scum, he has twice now been on the opposite side of the bandwagons against town members. Doesn't mean he's clean but seems to avert my suspicions for now. Though I am again worried about prphlz deciding to declare a crusade against someone with absolutely no evidence or reasoning. I'm not entirely sure he's town, but that may just be coming from his lack of contributions this game. I really don't see any evidence against him as a sum players. Which of course brings me to ET. I already wrote up my thoughts on ET's posts for day 1 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=16#319 (sorry for the messed up quotes) My conclusion at the time was that he was just terrible at analysis. But seeing that he did it again Day 2 I am getting a bit worried. Not much to go on for ET's posts Day2, the only one of real substance is where he accused Sinesis: On February 07 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote: sigh sinensis... You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people. Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke? 1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost". 2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember? I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious, ##Vote: Sinensis I don't have a problem with the first part. Sinesis majorly muddied the waters day 1, I also called out Sinesis for this so I can't hold this against ET. The second half of this argument makes no sense to me. Essentially ET is saying that Sinesis is scum for going after prphlz. I should point out that I did as well, and said I was not going to move my vote until I was sure there was not going to be a counter claim. Sinesis followed me in this. We both moved our votes when it became clear that no one was going to counter claim. How does that make him scum and me not? I'm not sure I understand point 2 at all. ET thought he was scum because he was unhappy that ET's bad analysis lead to Time getting lynched? I don't understand this at all. Either way this is pretty much the bulk of ET's posting from Day2, not much to go on so I really can't get a good read. Still on my list of suspicions though. Not sure what is going on with BaronFel, I can't make head or tails of his (lack of) posting. I guess we will have to see who gets the axe Night 2 and try to analyze it. I'm still wondering why Violinis was the mafia hit day 1, looking at the two together may give us some insight into who is on the right track. Hopefully I'm still here by then :S | ||
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I'm going to sit down tomorrow and go through some of these with a fine tooth comb. Let's **NOT** just jump on the Sentinel bandwagon with Nisani. At least until we have some good evidence and analysis on Sentinel and Nisani has actually been cleared. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:08 EchelonTee wrote: Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha TheToast is the host with the most boast to post from coast to coast. Also, due to some personal stuff (job interview!) and some other stuff I'm working on I'm probably not going to have time to post my full analysis until tomorrow afternoon (US time). So I'm not lurking, just busy | ||
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On February 10 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote: Okay lets just lynch Bluelightz. I can't take this kind of crap any longer, sorry. ##Vote: Bluelightz I take it back, if you think bluelightz is scum then I must have been wrong about him all along :D :D I'm going to read through everything in just a bit and make my vote, sorry for lack or participation (stupid real life!). It doesn't look like my vote is going to matter much though... | ||
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On February 10 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote: How about BaronFel? We could lynch BaronFel. lol. I don't know that I would be opposed to this. I'm going over both Sentinel and Nisani's filters right now. It looks like my vote could swing the lynch against Sentinel, and the two of us could lynch Nisani. We still have just under an hour, gimme some time here, long post incoming. | ||
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Only 27 posts in this entire thread, not much to go on here. Nisani started out day one with his brief and unexplained vote on Sentinel, saying basically that his bandwagoning against Sinesis is what made him suspicious. Of course this was bizarre since Bluelightz was actually the one who started the wagon against Sentinel. Nisani came back with this to say: On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to. Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him. ##Unvote However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis Claims he was testing Sentinel, and that he decided to back off because his posts seemed clean. Okay, fair enough. He says his next target is now Time for "being too aggressive". Check Time's filter, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Doesn't mention a thing again until after Day 1. After the Sinesis stuff of Day 2, Nisani comes back with this: On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum. prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up. Big FoS: sentinel On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story. His basic logic here is that Sentinel's attack on Sinesis makes him scummy. Terrible reasoning, but it seems to me that scum would actively be encouraging an attack on a townie... On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Big deal right here. Why would scum be defending a townie against a bandwagon???? That makes no sense at all. Nisani has been focusing on Sentinel since day 1, he has been at the opposite ends of the bandwagon against a townie twice, he has not been trying to manipulate the town in any way. His analysis against Sentinel looks pretty good too. Either he is the worst scum player in the history of Mafia, or he is pretty damn confirmed town. Not saying I agree with him about Sentinel yet, but no way I'm supporting a Nisani lynch tonight. Few more posts incoming, I'm trying to split these up so others actually have time to read what I'm writing before the deadline. | ||
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After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point. Or at least this is the only reasoning I could find given. What the hell is this? Did he even read Nisani's filter? Never attempted to make any analysis of Nisani's vote against Sentinel, never attempted to analyze any of Nisani's posts at all. It's interesting how much more active BaronFel became after Sinani was lost on Day1. Still supremely lurking though. Remember what I said a while back that new mafia players are going to have a tendency to lurk? Most are going to lurk out of fear of slipping up. ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). I feel like a complete idiot for not catching this one before. A complete stupid idiot. ET in his bad analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appeared once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. This has bandwagon-starting (is that a thing? who cares no time!) written all over it. Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) Missed this mess of a reasoning too. Damnit. By itself it may not be suspicious, but the night before his name was being said a lot, and then today he seems really jumpy put the focus on to others rather then defending himself. That just makes him more suspicious to me. Perhaps its the wrong feeling to have but that's just my take on it. Here's the rest of the "reason" on Nisani. Does he look "jumpy" to anyone else? How do we even tell that on a forum??? Bottom line Baron is looking good as scum. Interesting that the ONLY other person voting against Nisani right now is [UoN]Sentinel. Looking at him next, if votes stay where they are right now, I very well may make #4 on Sentinel, but let me read through his filter first. | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:32 prplhz wrote: Dude. He isn't defending [UoN]Sentinel. Then he would be yelling and screaming and telling everybody else to get their votes off him. He is saying "I don't think he's scum" with no analysis at all. This is what scum do so they don't have to vote for townies. He is saying it for town credit. Isn't that infinitely obvious to anyone? What do you mean either "worst scum" or "confirmed townie"? That doesn't make any sense at all, and furthermore, you're not concluding anything right now and it's 30 mins before deadline on a day where nobody is around. Don't you see how ludicrous this is? What do you know about the "history of mafia"? How many games did you play and where? Sorry didn't explain that well in my haste. I was talking about Nisani defending Sinesis in that post. He says quite clearly--in the midst of a bandwagon--that Sinesis isn't scum and we should be focusing elsewhere. Why would scum do that now that we can confirm Sinesis was town? | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have only sided with Baron as of recent, and only because I believe Nisani's logic sucks. I was also the first to vote him today. You're not helping the case against yourself. Still looking through your filter, I may change my mind. But in case I miss the deadline: Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel # sign, check colon, check bold, check spelling, check Okay, I think I have it this time. | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:50 prplhz wrote: A NO LYNCH HAPPENS DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER DAY LIKE THIS??????????????? Well if mafia kill you off I think it would be much more pleasant. | ||
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##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: BaronFel He's a confirmed scum IMO, no risk vote. GOGOGOGOG | ||
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Believe it or not, it was your guys' arguments that moved me away from looking at Bluelightz... | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:58 prplhz wrote: It's Bluelightz and anybody who doesn't vote him is autoscum. If a third pops on, I'll move my vote. If nothing else he is hurting town by muddying the waters. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:01 prplhz wrote: THIS IS SO BAD THIS IS SO SO SO SO BAD THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN HAPPEN ON THIS FORUM Dude calm down before you get yourself banned from the Mafia forum. If we want to win this though, we have to use Night 3 to agree on exactly who is Mafia. They still can only kill one tonight. However I have the strangest feeling that Bluelightz and BaronFel will both still be with us. FML. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:04 EchelonTee wrote: toast it's partially his fault, vote right after deadline, I think he's also condemning himself with that post. we can't keep subtly or un-subtly bashing each other, it causes teh disunity. Well Day 3 wasn't a complete waste. I think we have a pretty clear idea of who is where now. I also think we have saved ourselves from a potential town lynch. We have a whole 24 hours, I think this is enough time to figure out whose gotta die day 4. | ||
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On February 10 2012 12:50 EchelonTee wrote: you sure? pushed Sentinel rly hard and hasn't done much else. irritatingly enough I can't distinguish scum lurking from weirdtownplay lurking As I said in my very hastily written argument, Nisani's play would be counter productive for scum. Two days in a row he ignored major bandwagons on townies that resulted in lynches--even arguing against them in favor of Sentinel. Scum's goal is going to be to get a townie lynched; any townie. In the middle of the big bandwagon against Sinesis Nisani was basically saying, "no he's town, no way he could be mafia Sentinel is the one". This doesn't make any sense in the context of mafia. Why not push Time and Sinesis given that you blend in with the other townies doing the same? Why try to stop the bandwagon against them? What mafia have to gain from doing this? | ||
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On February 10 2012 15:10 Nisani201 wrote: I skimmed through the last 4 pages and I guess I missed his claim. Forget what I said. I'll think this through. Nisani, this makes me wonder how many other posts you have neglected to read. Also probably sheds some light on your crusade against Sentinel for this whole game. | ||
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Question: does anyone have any evidence that points to BaronFel being town? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote: I'm not going to change the format midgame, if you want to switch to a 24/24 schedule, then I need a PM from every player in the game requesting it ^_^ Yeah while we are at it why don't we change the rules so that town immediately knows who scum is and can lynch all of them day 1. On February 11 2012 03:03 prplhz wrote: No. I'm not going to be silent today and hope town gets anything going because that went pretty badly yesterday. Since we're at LYLO we need to lynch scum, duh. Lets lynch Nisani201 and BaronFel. Lets start with BaronFel. Seriously. Fucking. Stop. Now. Stop just calling out random people for lynching. What's your reasoning against Nisani? Where's your evidence? Are you basing this on reality or something you imagined? I hate to be causing "dissent" in the ranks of town, but you seriously are hurting us with this crap. You have been a destabalizing force in this game from Day 1. You have helped lynch two townies, you have turned suspicion away from potential mafia members onto yourself, you have continued to attack people with no evidence at all. Day 3 was yet another example of your "randomly call people out and hope for the best" strategy in action. I'm not even so sure you knew Sinani was scum, I think you just thought it would be fun to shoot him to get him back for whatever he did to you in sc and got lucky. You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game. Unless you have evidence and SOUND reasoning behind your claims, seriously stop posting. You are disrupting the real conversations of town members who are actually trying to win this game, and are allowing the mafia to go unnoticed. Stop being so emotional and use some logic and reasoning if you are going to call out anyone else, and at least try to use one quote of the person you are calling out to illustrate your point. For goodness sakes stop hurting your own team! | ||
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Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though: On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game. ##Unvote: Sinensis I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start... ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon. Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however: On February 04 2012 12:23 BaronFel wrote: Sinensis, you aren't really making this easier. While you may not be acting like scum, you're really hurting towns chances by throwing around accusations and not really giving any logical arguments =/ Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote: Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post: On February 09 2012 08:55 BaronFel wrote: I'm going to keep with my original suspicion and vote Nisani. I think his posts today have made me more suspicious of him (even if he didn't have me as the second target). It feels as though he knows his argument against us isn't that strong and so he's trying to quickly push the votes and focus on to someone else since he knows people were looking at him n2. ##Vote: Nisani201 Ummmmm.... whose us? No, really, whose us? Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote: I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment... | ||
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On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote: Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it? On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote: what happens if no one has a majority? ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: No Lynch Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him? | ||
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On February 11 2012 05:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You brought up BaronFel. Actually prplhz brought him up first, though I was already looking at him. Sentinel, are you still looking at Nisani? Who else do you currently think is scum? | ||
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On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive. Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced. Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz? | ||
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On February 11 2012 08:40 EchelonTee wrote: Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary. Yeah that came out way too harsh, not what I originally intended. I stand by what I said about him hurting town though. On February 11 2012 09:03 EchelonTee wrote: I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction. This is an interesting point that I had not considered. It would explain why BF felt the need on Day 2 to address Bluelightz comment during night 1 that had gotten completely lost. I'm still not sure about blue though. | ||
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On February 11 2012 13:20 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded. ##Vote: BaronFel Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with anything. You're right about point two doesn't prove anything really. With BF there is a real lack of content to analyze, I just brought it up to try to be thorough. I think the case is pretty good here. If we are wrong, however, town is going to lose this game. So everyone keep scrutinizing and analyzing. We cannot afford to screw up this lynch. Assuming we are right though, the real hard part is going to be Day 5... | ||
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BaronFel (5): TheToast, Nisani201, Bluelightz, EchelonTee, prplhz Not voting: BaronFel I guess the other mafia has just decided to pile on. Interesting. | ||
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I think we all agreed that the analysis against BF was good; his last post is bizarre considering that there is an entire page of posts about him--does not seem like a townie who is about to be mis-lynched. Let's focus on what is in front of us. Unless anyone can come up with some very convincing evidence as to why BF isn't scum, we have to lynch him. I also pointed out the differences in Bluelightz posting in purgatory, I believe prplhz you were the one who told me that I was wrong? What changed? | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight. I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice. Well I think after ET's very good analysis of BF, it seems pretty clear that either Bluelightz or Nisani is the other mafia member. We actually could just lynch them both across two days and still win (though one more of us would die). Either way I think we should wait to start discussing who is the next day's lynch until after the start of the next day. Would just give mafia the chance to snipe who ever has the best arguments and give them the chance to drag this out longer. | ||
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Well who did you choose to kill tonight? Also I think you mean "choochoo" not "woohoo". | ||
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Then I saw these: On February 08 2012 06:51 mderg wrote: Nisani: He didn´t post much let alone much content. He also didn´t give reasons for his votes by himself, we often had to ask for this. He voted for timeaisis on day 1 and insisted on voting sentinel whom he had attacked from the beginning of the game already. (also without much reasoning). IMO he hasn´t played pro-town at all. He didn´t post very much, so I couldn´t get many reads out of his posts but his lurking alone would already make him suspicious. BaronFel: Same as nisani he hasn´t contributed much. Other than nisani he gave reasons for his votes like in this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game. ##Unvote: Sinensis I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start... ##Vote: Timeaisis For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). But he often refers to others posts and opinions and always went with the majority which makes it seem like he isn´t rying to find scum himself. BaronFel is a possible scum as he was lurking and not bringing in his own arguments. But he isn´t the main suspect because his play didn´t seem blatantly anti-town on the first 2 days. ^Second to last full post before he bit it On February 03 2012 08:22 Vilonis wrote: Nisani201. Started this whole bandwagon discussion. IMO, it is too early to start claiming bandwagons. We are not close to a vote, there were not many people, and the 'bandwagon' was probably the best candidate to be lynched anyway. As far as I can see it, this is only really preventing pressure on players that deserve it, as having 3 votes on you is nowhere as demanding that you make a post as having 7+ votes on you would be. Also, "You guys make this too easy" with an explanation-less vote, followed by claiming a few people voting on suspicions are a bandwagon. Stop make a virtue out of keeping you options open. You should vote on suspicion. It makes your opinions and intentions clear. It makes you (somewhat) committed. Suspicious Prplhz (anyone else read this name as Purple Haze, then have the Jimmy Hendrix song stuck in their head?). Lots of votes, not many posts. Short, mostly useless posts. Probably a time zone thing, but I would like to see more discussion from him. Who is probably scum? My vote is for Nisani201. And as I think you should put your vote where your suspicions are... ##Vote: Nisani201 He did eventually change his vote to Time for D1, but kept his suspicions on Nisani. Isn't it interesting that the two players who suspected BF and Nisani early got killed first? This ain't looking good for you Nisani. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it. You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going. Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. | ||
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On February 14 2012 19:03 prplhz wrote: I'm very dissatisfied with how you are actively inferring things about my alignment, publicly, for a game that you are not in. Just testing Is it just me or is Zbot not counting the votes properly? | ||
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##Vote: Nisani201 If it's not him, we can just lynch Bluelightz Day 6. | ||
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The daemonic are without number, and their legions span the galaxy. But faith does not tire. Should it take us an eternity, the Ordo malleus will find and exterminate them all. For the Emperor!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On February 16 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote: EchelonTee or Toast is scum. Let's win this. -.- If mafia uses a double kill tonight, and the game is at 1 to 1 on Day 7, is that a tie or a win for town? | ||
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I am assuming that ET or myself is going to be killed tonight, so whoever's left--win this one for the emperor! | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote: @Toast If Mafia had a double kill im sure GM would of ended the game on the last day we had =_= Well good. Then we still have one day left to lynch you and win the game! | ||
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On February 17 2012 12:36 EchelonTee wrote: my vet claim, honestly, was not the optimal move, but to be perfectly honest I just did it so that I could use the delay effect. Also, I thought that someone was actually a vet, so I wanted them to counter claim me, so that I would know who not to shoot. If it came to that, I was confident in my ability to convince town either that 1. I'm the real vet, or 2. there are 2 vets in this set up. Since GMarshal previously did a 3 mafia goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up, a 2 goon 1 RBer vs. 1vig 2vet 1medic is reasonable. Your "analysis" was really good, I scrutinized the hell out of it and the only thing I came up with was that whole thing calling out Time for "playing the I'm new card". Honestly though part of it may have been that a lot of town was just so lurky this game. Wasn't a whole lot of information to go on. -edit: Only 46 posts for Nisani. Part of the reason I just gave up and decided to lynch him. | ||
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On February 19 2012 11:21 gonzaw wrote: Yes, I dunno why but all of the Obs QT was convinced ET was scum by D2, but I'm more concerned how no townie even tried to analyse ET in the whole game. Evidently you didn't read the whole game. I said (I think night 2) that either ET or Sentinel was mafia. Obviously I picked the wrong one. | ||
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