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TheToast
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I'm at a loss as to why they took out Violinis though. | ||
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On February 05 2012 12:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale? Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game. I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though. | ||
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TheToast
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Only interesting things he did was his vote on Nisani201 and backing me up. | ||
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On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz. If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something. List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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TheToast
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##Unvote prplhz ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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On February 06 2012 23:36 prplhz wrote: Why is no one listening to me when I say that Bluelightz is not the scummiest around? Am I not confirmed town? Did I not just prove that I'm in touch with this game by shooting a scum day1? Instead you're all still just tunneling him and everybody tunneling one guy isn't a good town environment. Imagine we decide to lynch Bluelightz and he flips town. Then what? When did you say this? Who would you rather lynch? And for someone who is so "in touch" with this game, you sure as hell managed to get a townie lynched day one. Even argued passionately to do so. Don't act like you are the best Mafia player in the world, you screwd up big on that one. If he does flip town, I don't see how it's a big deal, he hasn't been helping town in any way at all. He keeps making long worthless posts that don't lead to anything or offer anything useful. I would be very, very surprised if he wasn't scum. On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote: Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus.  | ||
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TheToast
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On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote: If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. | ||
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On February 07 2012 00:30 mderg wrote: There is no accusation. I just thought that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I? Because your muddying the waters. We have now spent half a page discussing your "comment"; directing attention away from important things like finding and lynching the servents of the warps spawn. If you aren't making a serious accusation, there's no need to make those types of comments. Just makes it easier for Mafia to divert the attention of the town. | ||
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TheToast
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On February 07 2012 00:50 prplhz wrote: Why I said that Bluelightz isn't the scummiest around? So that you guys will not just go "Meh, Lets just lynch Bluelightz". There are two scum left and this is a terrible town environment for doing scum hunting. Also, it is true, I don't think Bluelightz is the scummiest around. You mean so we don't have a repeat of Day 1? I did actually write an argument with quotes and everything against Bluelightz. His discourse day 2 has not done anything to even remotely clear him either. As I said, even on the very slim chance that he flips town, I don't see how losing him will hurt us in terms of being able to effectively hunt scum. Because I'm confirmed town I have the right to be a lot less transparent because the reason for transparency in the first place is to convince everybody else of your innocence and I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town. I'll still try to promote a good town environment though by trying to get you guys to do something other than just tunneling the same guy and posting fluff. If this comes off as "he thinks he's the best player in the world" to you, then cool. That's kinda what I was trying to come off as to scum. Whether or not I truly believe in it is irrelevant to this game. Just because you are confirmed town doesn't mean you are right. You still have to back your arguments against people with evidence and analysis. What I'm seeing is a lot of you just calling people out on a whim, that's what got Time killed Day 1. If you have more time now, great, write up a nice long analysis of whoever you think is the "scummiest" so we can actually evaluate your position. I don't see how this makes me "bitchy". But if you are confirmed town, then you are doing a great job of helping scum by fomenting infighting. On February 07 2012 01:01 prplhz wrote: Okay I've become pretty sure that Bluelightz is town and I'll oppose that lynch. We should lynch Sinensis instead because I think he's scum. ##Vote: Sinensis Yeah, see this is not helping town. Quotes? Analysis? Rebuttle to my argument against Bluelightz? | ||
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On February 07 2012 01:06 Bluelightz wrote: BaronFel has been inactive for more then 24 hours. Last post: February 05 2012 14:52 This post: February 07 2012 01:05(as of posting) Did you have a point? Or are you just going to keep throwing out pointless statistics? I can do that too. Bluelightz is: mafia. Times he has attempted to defend himself: 0 | ||
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Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. As hard as I tried I could not resolve these posts into any theory in which Sinesis was scum. A Mafia player would know that Mafia who they all are from the beginning of the game. Sure, it could be that he is a really super good scum player, but given the stupid nonsense he was spewing on page 5 does anyone really believe that? I find it hard to believe that a scum player would utilize a plan where they draw tons of attention to themselves by advocating heavy handed voting tactics which in turn starts a bandwagon against them; all relying on someone to discover some obscure clues they dropped early in the game to clear themselves. I don't buy this. And believe me, I was pretty convinced of Sinesis's guilt before I saw those quotes and tried as hard as I could to fit them into my theory. I could not find a way to do so that made any sense. | ||
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TheToast
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He was a vanilla townie, and you will note that almost all of his posts are short one-liners. He's not making any lists, he's not posting pointless statistics. Compare this to Student Mafia, where Bluelights was a replacement Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=235418 There's not terribly many of them as he was put in as a replacement fairly late in the game, but note the number of long posts with big quotes. At least 5-7 out of the 15 or so posts during the game. All of them have almost no content or analysis but use big long quotes to fill up space. Exactly what he's done in this game. While he did make some longer posts during Purgatory Mafia, they for the most part actually attempt to make some analysis like this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=106#2105 He's also regularly giving his reads on people like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=21#410 He also actually defended himself against accusations of scumminess: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=118#2345 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=126#2504 Bluelights has done none of these things in this game. Combined with the other evidence I am having a hard time as to how anyone can consider him cleared. | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. I don't disagree with this. However you have yet to respond to the issue that I have brought up twice now about the early game posts he made. Unless you can come up with a very good explanation of how those integrate with your theory of him being scum, I am not moving my vote. | ||
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TheToast
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I don't think Sinesis got too terribly pissed off after Night 1. Even if he did, your arguing that basically he is a terrible scum who can't help but obviously show how much of a scum he is. Terrible scum players don't leave deeply hidden criptic clues behind that could potentially clear them of being scum. This is a straw man argument if I've ever seen one. | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:22 mderg wrote: That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him. And bluelightz defense was convincing? | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:12 EchelonTee wrote: Woops forgot the colon. I'll be back before deadline. Placeholder vote in case my brain explodes. ##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch At this point it doesn't look like anyone is going to have to try to make that happen. | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: Yeah Sinesis is right, Timeaisis was basically lynched by ET and prphlz. ET's analysis was terrible and prphlz keep trying to railroad everyone into it. On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today. ##Vote: Sinensis Omg, we've been over this already. Sinani's vote was actually on Sentinel for most of day 1. Then Sinani changed his vote to Bluelightz with just a few minutes left in the game, well after 8 votes were already on Time. There was literally no chance of Sinani's vote causing Bluelightz to get lynched. (which in retrospect should have been a signal that Sinani was not playing for town but I admit I missed it...) | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:14 Sinensis wrote: FoS: BaronFel wtf is this? | ||
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Can we please stop listening to prplhz now? | ||
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