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- I feel like Sheth is our best option today, since I don't think Rad has any reason to lie at this point - I think Toad/Doc are probably being truthful at this point and are town, I would lump them both together into the same person though, so if rgTS flips as a sane DT, both of them would be gone IMO - I think Palmar is a lot more of a loose cannon and don't know what to believe with respect to him. I just don't buy his Joker claim that easily, I don't know why... Gut feeling I guess... - hiro needs to post more Anyways, working on filter analysis/spreadsheet/etc... look forward to scumhunting with y'all! | ||
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I was working on an analysis of Chaoser, and his actions on Day 1 don't seem that scummy to me, but the hard Day 2 push to set up a lynch after Sheth is lynched seems reallyyyyy scummy... I don't have a solid opinion on that yet, and I still think we lynch Sheth today to verify Radfield. Oh and, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but Palmar can't POSSIBLY be as crazy as he's posting with randomly not remembering stuff he did the previous day. Methinks he has some sort of role text restriction that gives him split personality disorder / lunacy... The characters that might work well with such a restriction (disregarding other peoples claims, and actual logic) are: Joker, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow (different night personality than day maybe?), Two-face, Calendar Man, and Clayface... None of the mafia power-roles seem to logically work with this restriction, so I'm inclined to lean very slightly towards Palmar being town (or i'm totally off-base with my logic... lol) | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote: The setup only works if palmar doesn't die. And that isn't controlled by mafia, it's controlled by batman. So it would make no sense if I was mafia to try to set up a lynch off something that I wouldn't even be in control of. This is true... But Batman might not even go after Joker if its confirmed though, he might start working on finding out who Hugo is, leaving Joker to be killed by Mafia or lynched by town. He doesn't need to kill Joker right now if he already knows who he is and can kill him at any time... Thus, the lynch wouldn't be controlled by Batman either... There is definitely a possibility that Palmar remains alive after tonight... On February 11 2012 02:35 rgTheSchworz wrote: Scummy post detected. He tries to dismiss a situation that has an enormous amount of WIFOM, but also some info to be snatched. Then he says that Chaoser setting up a chain lynch is really scummy. Notice how he doesn t agree or disagree with Palmar. He wants to keep safe, not taking sides. He then states that Sheth should still be lynched today, to verify radfield. But if Palmar is town, which he certainly seems now, Radfield is black, or the scum DT, Ra s. Ra s is a very important role for scum, he wouldnt put himself at risk by claiming DT. So no desperate need to confirm Rad, we can vig sheth anyways. Then this poster speculates insaneness and whatnot. Clearly bullshit. - Sure theres info to be snatched, but read the past few pages and you'll see that nearly all of it is just rampant speculation on something that, really, there is no chance of addressing right now anyway (I don't think you get lynched today that is, I think today's lynch has more or less been set since Rad's claim)... Gathering info is fine, but WIFOM speculation is pointless, thread-cluttering, and confusing - I agree with Palmar, but I'm not sure enough of my opinion to immediately vote Chaoser, mostly because his Day 1 actions (except for a pretty weak reason to switch his vote to C_C) don't seem scummy to me... I'm gonna keep an eye on him though, two if I can spare them - I don't think anyone is town, except maybe Toad... Palmar could be lying again, in which case everything we think we know breaks down. There are multiple possibilities. What you're saying is true if Palmar is saying the truth, then Rad is either black or Ra's, If Palmar is faking his shot, or even just faking the fact that it is unblockable, suddenly Rad could be black, green, or even red fake-claiming DT... I entered this game with an "everyone is guilty until proven innocent" mentality because of how many stupid mislynches I supported in my first game, lol... Officially [b]##Vote: Liquid'Sheth/b] | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:00 layabout wrote: I would ask if you are out of your mind but it seems quite clear that you are Agreed, random ninja vote change wtf... | ||
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Toad is definitely confirmed Town now at least, lol... | ||
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On February 12 2012 14:19 chaoser wrote: ico/rayzorflash is mafia chaoser is mafia Kurumi is town, unless WBG pushing him madly for nearly 3 pages of his filter was severe bussing | ||
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On February 12 2012 14:35 chaoser wrote: If I'm mafia then I must be world-class Oh that you are <3 I do agree with your last opinion on Palmar though, his insanely reckless/trolly play makes me think he's almost certainly black, and can just wreak havoc on the town while he goes about his own agenda. If he's scum, he's got balls of steel, lol... also: On February 08 2012 12:21 Kurumi wrote: My train of thought WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him. He defends Sheth, high probability of being scumbuddies. Proceed to vote Sheth. Then I get caught in my stupidity. My faith in my read on WBG crumbles. CC is the guy I never investigated because I tunneled people I've seen on my scum list. Layabout is on me now, was on CC. No way to get him up for lynch either. Forfeit him in favor of WBG. Then I get caught on being narrowminded and that most of my reads are for shreds. Although, Qualis still rubs me wrong way. Low activity, scummy behaviour, like, I can't be that wrong. I wonder if Kuru can bat 3 for 3 on this post... lol | ||
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On February 12 2012 14:57 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH was doublestacked. He s freaking clayface he needs 2 shots. Who vigged WBG? CW/BM didn t shoot WBG. Look at what he posts. He sticks to Kurumi and Rad/Me.He defo wanst Joker or any kind of vig/DT. More scum than anythig else. Kurumi s town btw, there s no way these 2 are scum together. Maybe Rad killed him, I would assume that only if Rad does not post his check or posts that he checked a completely random townie. WBG, as Ra's, needed either 2 shots or 1 unblockable shot, as such it seems most likely that it was a Batman/Catwoman hit, because I don't think two vigs would have both gone after him... | ||
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On February 12 2012 15:24 evantrees wrote: Um what? Looks like he started as a plain VET+DT to me, If he took a hit already and was being protected that would be the case. Was he already hit scummy bugger? Thats what I meant. Basically (correct me if I'm wrong) but I only see these 3 options: - he was double-stacked by vigis last night, highly unlikely - he was vigi hit once night 1, and nobody claimed it for some reason, and then once night 2, decently unlikely - he was hit by an unblockable shot, i.e. Batman/Catwoman/anyone else who gets an unblockable shot that we don't know about due to role, pretty likely Out of these, the most likely one is that he was hit by Batman/Catwoman, no? :-S | ||
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I buy Schworz' chaoser DT check and guess he's gotta be town/blue and I just didnt understand his actions yesterday setting up a Palmar lynch for today... Hiro's been lurking and asking to be hit too much to make me comfortable... His explicit requests to be lynched make me very uncomfortable... I wonder if that's WIFOM or he's actually really busy I want to vote Quails just to see if Kurumi was right about another call in that post, lol... Tunkeg has been wishy-washy the entire game, being suspicious of about 12 different people, but never making a really solid case against any of them Adam nearly switching off Sheth on day 2 (unvoting in here but not in official vote thread) needs to be remembered in any list where we put together everyone who voted for and didn't vote (saw a couple while reading, too sleepy to find them exactly) Also: Riddler is labeled as a Vigi in the game description, and we more or less know theres a riddler in the game because of the "Riddler's Game" starting (i think it was Day 2 that it started?) - Do we have any idea who he's hit so far?? | ||
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My problem with a hiro lynch is that even if he is mafia, which i think is decently likely, it gives us next to no real info... I'd rather lynch radfield/palmar... I actually wouldnt mind a palmar lynch just because his posts and claims have started to give me.a headache,lol... ##vote: Radfield | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:47 kitaman27 wrote: After the bugs flip, he wants us all to know that he is going to go through bug's filter. So what have you learned? What conclusions did your analysis give us? He fails to ever follow up with this point. I did follow through, the only solid read I got from that was that Kuru was confirmed town, the rest of WBG's filter was pretty irrelevant and it gave me soft-reads of town on Schworz, VE, and BM, and soft-reads of scum on Chaoser and Adam... Next comes his interaction with chaoser, his one and only mafia suspect. Never does Rayzor actually provide a case. When faced with Schworz's "check", he immediately backs off. For someone who is your lead scum suspect, why are you so willing to believe this? Schworz never even stated the result of his check, yet you're clearly willing to accept it. I took Kuru's "confirmation" of Schworz' role at face value and that was clearly wrong of me to do so because I believed Kuru was town and had no reason to lie about it... With the recent revelation of that being wrong, I am more than willing to push against Chaoser. There's quite a few things about chaoser that made me suspicious: - Changing vote from Sheth to CC on day 1 with a very weak reason, just because CC was still suspicious of Schworz, which a lot of people were on day 1 - Pushing a Palmar lynch for when the Sheth lynch was done, setting up a future lynch without any clear reason - OMGUS against me, Toad, and Palmar whenever we tried to make a case against him Finally, rather than searching for an alternative candidate, he jumps on the radfield/palmar wagon. He doesn't even call either of them scum. He is willing to trust Schworz the proven liar as a detective, but not Radfield, the guy who claimed the Sheth check? I never was willing to trust Schworz, I was willing to trust Kurumi. Also, the Sheth check doesnt immediately make Radfield a saint in my books because a) there was already a lot of suspicion on Sheth b) claiming in order to out someone that was already likely to get lynched is a weak move, especially since Rad did it so early in the day too. There was no need to claim then unless scum was bussing sheth, it'd probably have been better to stay hidden and push for Sheth's likely lynch without coming out as a DT. Those are the main reasons I'm voting for Rad. As an aside re-reading that post made me realize I accidentally a sentence, stupid typing on phone... EBWOP: That being said I'd rather vote for Radfield than Palmar because I've agreed with a lot of Palmar's reads when he's not being an idiot. | ||
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Not revealing any details of the game, hope thats allowed, lol | ||
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I'm kicking you for choosing Ico though... Lol | ||
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Whether you choose to trust me on that is up to y'all, lol... I just want town to win -_- | ||
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I hate you kita, lol | ||
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Thankfully I'm just vanilla town and no power role. Shoot Chaoser and Radfield with those bullets, Kita, for me <3 GG, I regret nothing!!! | ||
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Now, I don't know wtf to believe -_- | ||
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Good call on picking him if you're speaking the truth btw... | ||
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)... He's often taken as a joke because of how stupid and lame his crimes are though, lol... If you're interested in him, read The Long Halloween, good comic...<--- Is Huge Batman Nerd On-topic: I hate the riddler game... I might end up dying because of it regardless tonight >_< | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:46 kitaman27 wrote: <3 Would you like to become my minion as well? Don't forget to vote for yourself. I asked BC if that was allowed when I was trying to sacrifice myself to get you the 3 hits... He said its against the rules >_< | ||
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Catwoman is probably really nervous and on the verge of shooting anything that moves right now. If the Clayface-Joker protection is also mirrored for Solomon Grundy-Penguin (which I think it should be, from a fairness point of view, and it works with the game/lore/theme) she needs to get a LOT of things to go right for her to win... Wonder if we can strike a bargain to trade her one of her targets identities if she hits a scum or something... Just thinking out loud, feel free to tell me how stupid of an idea that is and how suggesting it makes me OBVIOUSLY scum... lol I'm not entirely sure VE is scum because of how surprised he was by the existence of the phone network... He could have been faking it though, definitely a consideration... I'd put him as maybe scum for now... My scum list is pretty short now.... Hiro, chaoser, maybe Jayjay, maybe VE... I might end up dying myself because i failed hard at the riddler game yesterday... taking a gamble with it, lol There's no more roleblock in the game so everyone go wild!! | ||
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And JayJay, i just put you there because I thought your vote for hiro yesterday was suspicious in that it was completely random and irrelevant to anything... There was no chance of hiro getting lynched whatsoever, nobody was going to get on him, and it seemed completely pointless to me, especially at the time when it came (only a few hours before the lynch). Its not a strong read at all, in fact its really REALLY weak, but its more than I have on a lot of people... You've done a lot of analysis posts and whatnot, lots of really good pro-town play, but your votes are consistently all over the place... Jaybrundage -> DocH -> Sheth -> Schworz -> Palmar -> Hiro... None of them have mattered at all, lol... | ||
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I think i'm too gullible and trusting of people when i know they have no sensible reason to be lying =_= | ||
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Hiro dies today... I'm a man of my word... | ||
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On February 16 2012 08:00 jaybrundage wrote: I dont like the Kurimi lynch. While it is the safest lynch ( We cant mislynch) We dont kill still scum. Also if we hit scum we have a 50% chance to take away one of there KP's away. But if we dont have a good lynch target at the end of the day I can vote for kurimi. Exactly this... I think the only way hiro's play makes sense is if he's an important role for mafia, either Deadshot or Hugo... We need to lynch the scummiest player left in the game to try and take away their KP, especially because Catwoman has a LONG way to go before she can get all her targets, so she'll be fine with keeping the game going for as long as possible while she gets her kills, and if mafia don't lose their KP today, I dont think there'll be enough time left for Catwoman to find a way to win... At this point we need to be trying to lynch either Deadshot or Hugo. ##vote: hiro protagonist | ||
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Went through a couple of filters... Why the fuck is Schworz still alive??? He defended Radfield when he was up for lynch, Radfield defended him on Day 1 while bussing Sheth, he's lied and fake claimed and pushed a fake DT check and done all sorts of stupid shit, and we still think he's town??? Can anyone point me to something, a post or a claim, that proves so? So far, I think at least 1-2 scum have already voted and are trying to swing the vote away from scum and onto someone else... From the list below of the people who've voted, it seems most likely to me that scum is behind the "lynch I'd be fine with a VE, Hiro, or Schworz lynch, but I'd still prefer Hiro and am keeping my vote on him for now... Current vote count: hiro = 2 - Kurumi - RayzorFlash VisceraEyes = 3 - Palmar - Adam4167 - JayBrundage Tunkeg = 1 - Katina Kurumi = 3 - risk.nuke - VisceraEyes - Forumite | ||
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On February 16 2012 15:58 Adam4167 wrote: The only reason scum would be pushing for catwoman to die is because one of their own is in the firing line. Schworz is town. Catwoman claimed a shot at him night 1, the only things in the game that could survive a catwoman shot are town roles. OOh, right, i knew i was forgetting something about that relationship, lol... nvm then i guess And your first statement makes even more sense because Kuru is going after Hiro pretty hard. Lynching Kuru might stop us from killing Hiro whom i'm pretty sure by now is Deadshot or Hugo >_< | ||
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On February 16 2012 22:07 Adam4167 wrote: Great. So: VisceraEyes Tyrran Risk.nuke Rayzor And I think I know why Penguins night kills haven't been showing up either. i feel like that is exactly our scumlist, except replacing me with Hiro... I think Penguin's KPs miht be flavortext related like Riddlers and thats why we havent seen them yet I'd be fine with lynching anyone on that list, minus me, plus hiro. I wanna kill hiro because i said i was a man of my word >_< | ||
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##unvote: hiro protagonist ##vote: kurumi God help us if Kurumi isn't catwoman... | ||
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I'm almost 99% sure that hiro and VE are scum. Kurumi, can you confirm whether or not you did or did you not ACTUALLY SHOOT Schworz... Something about that interaction still doesnt seem right to me, it just doesnt click... Also, someone mentioned earlier that they were suspicious of me for commenting on the Grundy/Penguin relationship... Thats because ive played (and loved) the game, not inside knowledge of anysort -_- | ||
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Jayjay: I didnt put you in my 99% scum because of that, because the case against you is comparatively a lot weaker than against Hiro and VE, but I have been, and still am, getting a scummy vibe off your posts... On my mafiameter, you rank about a 60% chance of being scum >_<... I can't deny you do have a better success rate than Toad, XD (mafiameter numbers are completely subjective and subject to change ) | ||
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VE: Day 1 - Mafiameter: 50% scum - gets defensive about people voting without a reason on him, so votes without a reason on them... - votes for layabout(green) with a very weak reason (not contributing anything) when theres lots of people like that... 60% - doesn't want to call Sheth scummy and only wants to vote for him if he doesn't do anything... 65% - Eventually does switch to Sheth day 1... 60% - Is surprised by the phone network... Could be feigned, but seems genuine... 50% - Goes hardcore after Sheth, however: - Funny chain of posts (pg 34-35) in a row... coincidence?: - Radfield votes Sheth - Hiro votes Sheth - Sheth posts analysis of CC - VE posts pushing Sheth lynch hardddd 65% Night 1 - 65% scum - continues to push Sheth hard, mentions Hiro as a possible lynch target... 60% Day 2 - 60% scum - Very very excited about the prospect of a Sheth lynch finally happening - Gets defensive very easily again... passive aggression is annoying - Wants to see Sheth dead, and is decently considering a Hiro lynch still... - Gets into a small bicker with Bugs and considers going after him... 55% Night 2 - 55% scum - Wants to go superhard after Palmar... Stupid line... - "I'm telling you guys, we should lynch Palmar tomorrow. I think he's scum. I think we should take the possibility that he's third-party as evidence that he's not town and just get rid of him. Don't waste bullets on him either in case he is the bats." - WTF? Town gains nothing by lynching Batman, he's our best hope of nailing Hugo... Scum meanwhile, should be very scared of him - 60% Day 3 - 60% scum - The Day of Reckoning - VEHEMENTLY defends Radfield and goes after Palmar, the WORST case of this amongst everyone out there - 80% scum - Is willing to get hiro lynched instead of Radfield - 75% - VERY quickly changes votes from Palmar who he's been super pushing for a full day to me and then Chaoser based on Kita's claim - 90$ scum Night 3 - 90% scum - Still pushing for a Palmar lynch even though he's confirmed Batman and Joker is more or less dead - killing a pro-town power role for no real reason?? - Gets super emotional again... ia annoying, but not necessarily scummy - Wants people to kill JayBrundage randomly, just because his vote didnt actually switch? wtf? Day 4 - - Still wants to go after Hiro... This is the only part of him that doesnt make sense to me - Only really makes sense if lynching Hiro would get VE shittons of towncred, maybe? - maybe Hiro's Hugo and VE is Deadshot?? - Agrees with Kurumi lynch though, and its the most sane thing to do today ---------------- Summary: Everything except for your Hiro push seems shady to me.A few things, namely all of Day 3, seem pretty scummy. While it might be explainable from you that you REALLY didnt think Radfield was a DT, that seems like a weak excuse simply because of the tons of holes in the whole Radfield situation that others saw and pointed out, yet you kept blindly believing Rad. Pushing to lynch Batman when its pointless, and the initial Sheth lynch voting order chain that seems almost like a scum meeting decided to bus him, makes me almost 90% (not 99% i guess, exaggeration ) certain that you are scum. However, I can't say 100% because of your push on Hiro, whom i definitely think 100% is scum | ||
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Someone PLEASE shoot hiro tonight, otherwise i'll be a very sad panda  | ||
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Would someone also shoot VE please?? | ||
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F*** you... Seriously... You and your stupid game... lol | ||
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Overall 10 people left, listing below... 3 Scum, 7 Town... Scum has 2 KP, we have one Vigi left... Riddlers shots will go into effect this night based on his game, the three people who fail at his game (one of whom seems to be me =_=) Evantrees - Scummy -_-quails - realized why people keep calling him qualis, BC misspelled his name on the filter list >_< forumite - Penguin rgtheschworz - Mr. Freeze Katina - No clue Adam4167 - Very pro-town Hiro Protagonist - Very scummy, but VE was pushing for his lynch :S Jayjay54 - His defensiveness reminds me of VE, lol... jaybrundage - VE was pushing to lynch him RayzorFlash - Vanilla town This is confusing because a lot of the people left alive have been super lurky, theres very few people with more than 2 pages in their filter... It might end up just being a crapshoot... | ||
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Evan: I had two scum reads on the day we lynched Radfield... Rad and Chaoser. I also made the mistake of taking Kita at his word and was willing to first get myself lynched, and second lynch chaoser, in order to unlock those 3 KPs which I felt would be incredibly valuable. Meanwhile, your reason to vote for Chaoser was pointless and weak. Jayjay: Lol, I don't hate you, your last defense post was very solid and I don't think you're scum... I was just pointing out the similarity between your behavior and VE's behavior... It's not scummy to the point of me thinking you're scum, but its still scummier than other people I agree with the stuff about Schworz... The ONE thing we're relying on for a town-read from him is that Kurumi shot him night 1... If that's untrue, my entire town-read of him crumbles apart... At this point, I'm likely to believe that he's scum moreso than town, just because we know that Kurumi was going for his win condition and doing everything in his power to draw out his targets, and he hinted at leaving a poison pill behind... My vote goes on Evantrees. Why exactly do you think I'm scum again?? I read through your filter and you have no real reason in there whatsoever... You're voting for me only because I wasn't voting for Radfield? By that logic, you should be scum too, because thats exactly what you did :S Would also be fine with voting Hiro and Schworz... Hiro is like a WIFOM machine over and over and over... | ||
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##unvote evantrees ##vote hiro protagonist | ||
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Best case scenario for us tonight would be to lynch a scum, and shoot a scum. That would bring Mafia down to 1KP, and even losing 2 people to scum hits tonight, plus at least one town dying to the riddler game, we'd still be able to win(I'm totally stumped by Kita's game... Pretty sure I die tonight) with a 4-1 distribution tomorrow Using both a lynch and a shot to get just 1 scum, we'd be down to 4-2, with scum STILL HAVING 2 KP putting us in LYLO Worst case, we get no scum with lynch or shot, and we go down 4-3, more or less unrecoverable from... Hence, after doing some math, we should aim to both lynch and shoot scum instead of using both the lynch and the shot to catch just the one scum from Evan/Jay. I would suggest lynching the one person who seems scummiest, and then shooting the scummier of jay/evan/hiro from who's left to confirm. | ||
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Meh, I'll be around to change my vote to whatever we decide... Leaving it on Hiro for now because theres no consensus as of yet | ||
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Jaybrundage, are you still in the riddler game, or did you get out?? If anyone else is still in the riddler game please post here. Kita's role PM said 8 people were in it, but he only listed 5... Is it possible that one of the 3 other people who was in it is still alive? I'm asking because i want to figure out the worst case scenario after tonight | ||
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Riddle 1: Riddle Me This: 1 cup sugar 1/4 cup milk 1 teaspoon baking powder 1 cup flour 1 tablespoons butter (A full stick for my good friend Oswald) 3 severed corpses Bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes. What am I? ANSWER + Show Spoiler + A Bloody Cobbler ----- Riddle 2: Riddle me this: I am all around you, yet you cannot see me. When I drop by, I can be the Bane of your existence. What am I? ANSWER + Show Spoiler + I dunno, didn't get this one -_- ----- Riddle 3: Riddle Me This: I'm the beginning of everything, yet the end of everyone. I'm part of life and of death, but you won't find me in both. What am I? ANSWER + Show Spoiler + I guessed the Letter "E"... Pretty sure I'm right, but Curu never told me if I was right or not ----- Final Riddle: Riddle Me This: The Riddler has told his final riddle. Five men came to pay tribute his grave. The first spoke of his greatest triumphs. The second told of his most foolish mistakes. The third praised his extraordinary intellect, While the fourth referenced his questionable sanity The fifth remained silent, pondering the Enigma that was lost to all. Now tell me, why was The Riddler buried in the exact center of Gotham City? ANSWER + Show Spoiler + Asked Kita for answer after I died... "Because he was dead"... /facepalm... | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:01 Radfield wrote: I thought riddle #2 was 'Death'. Not sure if you ever submitted that though. Lol, Spoilered is the list of submissions and attempts i made on that god-forsaken riddle: + Show Spoiler + Darkness? Dreams?? Fear??? Carbon Dioxide???? Carbon Monoxide????? Air? Air Pressure?? Cold Weather??? Hot Weather???? Wind????? Sounds/noise? Suspicion?? Time? Death? Sickness? Grrr... Scum? Stars? Black Holes? Mosquitoes? --- At this point, BC tells me to think more related to Mafia --- Suspicion/FoS? Doubt? Detectives? Vigilantes? lol... Mafia? Batman? Hugo Strange? WIFOM? Umm... Mods? lol... Ghosts? Palmar? Grrr, I hate riddles!!! Yeah... That riddle itself was the "Bane of my existence" for a solid 2 days =_= | ||
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