BC's Arkham City

On January 24 2012 16:54 flamewheel wrote:
AMERICA

On February 06 2012 14:30 Kenpachi wrote:
oh shit i forgot to say im townie
vanilla too. pretty lame

On February 08 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote:



WTF do you want to achieve by this? If you aren't scum you got a big crosshair on you, and if you aren't third party you will soon enough die at night. I can not see a scenario where this will benefit town.

More so we as a town don't get any smarter by this, you aren't confirmed in any way you just confuse us by doing so.

On February 06 2012 20:19 Toadesstern wrote:


well but shooting scummy people is way harder than shooting townies. I guess batman will try and go for scum first, probably just shoot into scummy players or DT into them. If he hits his target, fine, if he did not there's one less scummy target and that one might still end up being joker.
After he killed his mafia target he can still just blindly rampage town or DT because it should be way easier to figure out town and one of them is bound to be the joker.
Obviously he only has to make sure that no side wins before he wins and he has to make sure not to get lynched. He's pretty much immortal so time is running in his favor as long as he's not lynched because both town and mafia are helping him shooting each other.

Oh and obviously BM's massclaim (or anyone else saying we should do that) is bullshit. If we were to do that there'd be a shitload of lies and fakeclaims. VT's claiming blue to get shot instead of blues, blues trying not to get shot, reds trying to look townie and so on. I don't know about you guys but I'm pretty sure mafia is having an easier time figuring shit out than everyone else will have on their OWN. Not to mention that there's not even a need to figure this out unless you're batman catwoman or a medic. There's just no point in there. I'm totally fine with "knowing" someone is probably a townie, I don't need to know his role.
That's how I see it: 0 benefits, maybe a little wifom to screw with mafia but huge drawbacks.

On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:



And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.

On February 06 2012 22:14 Adam4167 wrote:


You sir, are already posting garbage, that's 2 for 2.

I clearly have no idea what team he is on, nor was my vote serious in any capacity.

We here to lynch scum, not 'stupid' townies.

On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You didn't mention the joker claim in "my way" you just said batman should shoot the first few days which is completely anti-town as it is. Your plan is anti-town but you're not willing to commit to it, that's why I'm voting for you. I don't even have a plan I'm just pointing out the flaws in Cyber_Cheese's grand scheme. If Batman has any sense and other people have already pointed out that it makes even less sense for him to use his KP earlier than later.




I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy.

On February 06 2012 22:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at

On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.

On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote:


I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing.

On February 06 2012 22:47 Adam4167 wrote:


Day 1 town claims should be considered null. They're complete fluff and should have zero impact on your decision to vote someone.

We are in the 'RVS' or Random Voting Stage. Its perfectly acceptable to randomly vote someone to generate discussion. Hey look, its working right now!

I am however interested in why you're taking such great offense to my (and Kenpachis) actions. You're making these actions out to be much worse then they actually are.

On February 06 2012 23:01 Palmar wrote:
lol mafiascum towns are terrible, the random voting stage is part of why they're terrible.

On February 06 2012 23:15 Kurumi wrote:

Sup Jackal, Kenpachi scum this game? Bets on Opz being 3rd party?

On February 07 2012 00:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

It's good for day 1. There has been a "town" plan to have the joker sacrifice himself day 1 when it's obvious Batman would just use his DT power unless he's an idiot. That's good enough for me. I'm done talking about that joke of a plan. If it is a scum proposal, they're gonna ditch it and move on to something else probably an easy lynch like rg or kenpachi

On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:

All Your posts are utter garbage.
Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town?
Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us?
Why are You defending Kenpachi?

On February 07 2012 06:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:


So, you're a fan of lynching lurkers?

Or is this purely based on his meta? I really dislike going off of purely meta. And just the statement here bothers me. If he remains afk for half our day then he wants to kill him. Waiting 24 more hours and if he doesn't post having him modkilled should be the best idea. Especially because if we pressure the lurker and he never posts well we've lost a lot of information we could have gained going on someone else. I learned this because of Intrigue. Thanks Intrigue. -.-

On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote:
glad you asked:
the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key.
that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games.
it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint.

You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read

I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png:
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On February 07 2012 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:
This town
is full of fail.

On February 07 2012 07:48 Kurumi wrote:

LET ME NOT HELP IT
OH WAIT I AM JUST FULFILLING MY WIN CONDITION

On February 07 2012 08:00 Kenpachi wrote:

What the hell is this

On February 07 2012 10:43 Radfield wrote:
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OK Sheth, that's all fine and dandy, but who do you want to lynch and why? Also, I enjoyed your streaming this afternoon

Palmar: Toad, VE, Kitaman, what are your thoughts on them.

I don't think VE is a great lynch today. His scum play is fairly transparent(no offense meant VE ), and his town play is pretty straight forward. Lynching him Day 1 is not optimal. In resistance he was fairly obviously town by Day 2, and in XLVIII he was mostly exposed scum by late Day 2. No rush.

Bill, where did you go? Still think Kenpachi is our best Day 1 lynch? You have to admit it's a bit ironic that you called him out for claiming green.... when it's something you've most certainly done before on Day 1.

CyberCheese, now that you've successfully deduced the best plan forward for the third party situation, who would you like to lynch?

On February 08 2012 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:


wtf is this shit?

On February 08 2012 03:10 Palmar wrote:


you're insane.

On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote:


wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town?

On February 08 2012 03:12 Toadesstern wrote:


the point I am 'wating' about is the bolded part.

5 "KP" or whatever you want to call townvig-shots PER CYCLE? As far as I know TL only plays with 1-shot vigs but you make it look like we got vigs with more than 1 shot. Why do you think so?

On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote:


woah slow down.

a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on.

b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds.

Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned.

On February 08 2012 03:21 Katina wrote:

If there was a like button, I would like this post....

On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.

and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.

I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like

On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:


a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information.

b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed.

On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?

From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP?

On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:


1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit?

2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help?

yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?

On February 08 2012 03:36 Jayjay54 wrote:


a. you could be a scum mouth? Or is that not possible?

b. Hmm. Ok. I don't get it completely, how can someone be confirmed in a role if he masons...And if there's an initiator who is confirmed town why doesn't he speak up and be the mouth?

On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote:


Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC).
Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information.

Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason.

I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ?

On February 08 2012 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:
sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead.

On February 08 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:


1) if it's so good for town to get the fact of a network out there, why are you the only one claiming? And why just now?
2) I know, that you know it, so why on earth is it pro town to keep information from town which scum already probably has. It creates a information deficit.
3) yea, Palmar said so already, but no one really can say why. He's spammy, has zero content, vote switches (even without posting in the thread) and enforces third party discussions. How the hell is that a bad case? Please enlighten me.

On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?

"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".

That doesn't look smart to me.

On February 08 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote:
BM is insane.

That's the only logical explanation to this mess. For what it's worth he's probably not scum, or at least not a super obvious one.

On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote:
@BM

You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.

You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.

I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).

You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.

Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.



I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.

##Vote: Ico

On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote:


difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb.

and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously.
I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.

On February 08 2012 04:20 Palmar wrote:
okay, I'll rephrase.

You're not insane.

However, what you're doing doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely useless and bad. It's one of the more stupid things I've seen in a mafia game. This is nothing personal, I have the right to criticize your actions because they affect the game. I'm not saying you're dumb, just that everything you're doing is dumb.

On February 08 2012 04:25 Tobberoth wrote:

Isn't it a bit weak to attack timing from a person who hasn't been all that active?

On February 08 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and BM sry for calling it stupid as well. I'm getting carried away with all those insults. So if you really got it as an insult I'm sorry about that and will stop it.
I just don't know if I'm believing a word you say so rephrase "stupid" with "weird" or "bullshit" (bullshit in like you're making it up).

Will try to keep the insults on wbg only from now on.

On February 08 2012 04:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
Everyone should ignore Bill until he starts making sense. Anyone doing otherwise at this time is very bad for town atmosphere.

On February 08 2012 05:28 Palmar wrote:


Don't ever do anything like that again.

We should probably hang you to punish bad play

YOU HAVE LIKE 6 VOTES OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FUCKING NOTHING.

I'm done with this, can't deal with more stupidity.

On February 07 2012 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel pretty good about Liquid'Sheth, Cyber_Cheese, VisceraEyes, and possibly Tunkeg as a team at this point. CC is accusing me of being catwoman out of nowhere. This is absurd, the VE defense force is out now as I expected. This only increases my confidence in my vote. Kitaman reasoned pretty well, let me explain further why I don't like VE.

This is a player who made it understood, before the game, that he would be active.

1. His first post is defending Sheth by attacking a player who is suspicious of him, with no substance. He asks a question to the mod, this is a great thing to do as scum by the way it gives you something to fall back on that scum "totally wouldn't do". Sheth's only posts are early starting the easy FOS on kenpachi that happens in literally every single game kenpachi plays in. He is the easiest person to get lynched Day 1 usually, mafia want EASY bandwagons that look kinda scummy, they only risk huge lynches when they are threatened.
2. Is totally inactive, shows up again when he is called out and then OMGUS votes. You're voting to lynch someone on Day 1 because you don't like their "reasons" for voting? But the reasons for voting on KPach who green claims every single game meaninglessly are solid right?
3. Other players defending him chainsaw.

Liquid'Sheth also comes back with more fluffy comments about the already finished Batman discussion. I really wish we would stop beating this horse and CC's claims are even more ridiculous. I'll address those soon in this post but let me reiterate it makes no strategical advantage for Batman OR Catwoman to shoot before using DT.




All 3 players contributed more than he did. All VE has done is defend himself. All you're really doing is pointing out 2 players who haven't contributed much yet but making it look like you're doing some serious scumhunting. I don't know if you are usually this dramatic about absolutely nothing as town though. Someone can inform me of that.



Ridiculous. Even if I was Catwoman, I'd have no incentive to use my hits until late in the game. DO NOT WASTE LYNCHES ON THIRD PARTY. IT IS A WASTED LYNCH.

Town does NOT win by lynching SKs. Town must LYNCH scum. Catwoman is a threat to town, mafia is a bigger threat, and the only threat that involves our win condition.

Not only is his interpretation of my posts which are focused on making sure the town doesn't give up the joker terrible, but he misunderstands my whole point. My whole point is that Batman/Catwoman shouldn't shoot. We can't cut a bargain with them because they have no incentive to "help" us and can't even claim. HE was the one who made the plan centered around killing a townie to help Batman, I said we don't need to do it and realized pretty quickly that BM/CW won't even shoot early game. That makes me catwoman? That's the most desperate call I've ever heard.

JayJay says "a scum win is a catwoman win", which is not true. CW wins if Two-Face and Penguin are dead. She does not want scum to win the game before that happens. If that happens, she does not care who wins. It's as simple as that. Yes it is a role that hurts town. It is also a lower priority than lynching mafia.

Insinuating that I might be third party or scum for saying we should just use our lynches to kill scum really is a mindfuck and I'm gonna be really disappointed if both of you guys flip green or blue at the end of this game, take some time off to learn how to play town please.

There are a lot of FOSs flying around which is good for later analysis. I don't like Kurumi or Palmar right now but it'll take a bit of time to see how that develops. For the time being my strongest reads are on :

Liquid'Sheth - Long posts with no substance/easy FOS
VE - Posts only to defend himself/others for most of the game
CC - FOS me for talking about neutrals when he invented the bad plan focusing on them, advocates lynching third party instead of scum

Kurumi - I don't like these "scum list" things, especially on Day 1. It makes it look like you did some work but there's basically no thought in it. No one cares what your little hunches are. It is alright to have some FOSs flying around if you flip it gives us something to go off of, but put some more thought into it, that's all.

On February 08 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Ugh still been catching up, just finished now.

I feel like RG might be Hugo.
Ico seems like a decent choice for lynch, if for some reason he comes up as a viable option, I could agree to swap.

@BM, you are insane, but in an awesome makes the game more interesting way. Please never change!

On February 08 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:
So many scummy lurkers.

On February 08 2012 12:08 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm still not a huge fan of either of the major lynches. I'll switch to ico for now. My case was posted earlier in the thread. Sixty minutes is a lot of time and the votes counts are relatively low so we aren't stuck with the current two candidates if we agree there is someone better out there.

chaoser/bugs/radfield trio gives me the creeps, but that's for another time.

On February 09 2012 03:33 Toadesstern wrote:
I do not need protection. If I find out someone protected me tonight I'm going to bitchslap them postgame

On February 09 2012 04:07 Jackal58 wrote:

Forgive me if I don't feel all warm and fuzzy Bill.

On February 09 2012 05:30 Palmar wrote:


Dude, let's talk about it in our mason quicktopic. Don't be an idiot.

On February 07 2012 09:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Do you really think Kat's claim that I wasn't saying much was soo scary that I needed my scumbuddies to take the threat off me?

On February 07 2012 09:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
my scumbuddies

On February 11 2012 01:58 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Lynch me if you think it s useful.
I dont mind it at all, since I am not third-party and still have a chance to win.
Maybe the info gained after my lynch will sort things out.

On February 12 2012 21:08 Jayjay54 wrote:


wow it's really easy to become confirmed town these days.

1. Every scum accuse strongly each other.
2. One scum dies.
3. ????
4. Profit.

On February 09 2012 15:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I got roleblocked

On February 09 2012 15:19 Bill Murray wrote:
i was hoping they would buy the "i cant be roleblocked" lie :p

On February 10 2012 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


how the fuck is that a reason to vote someone?

On February 12 2012 22:44 Kurumi wrote:

LOL THAT'S BULLSHIT
Why, from all people You would protect HIM?
There was a vig who claimed
Then,. there was a vet who claimed.
Scum.

On February 12 2012 11:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


why would he do that as town? are you thick?

as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense.

In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town.

It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives.

On February 09 2012 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got something I need to say, but it's going to have to wait about thirty minutes to an hour

On February 09 2012 15:06 Bill Murray wrote:
I got roleblocked

On February 09 2012 15:28 Bill Murray wrote:
im going to make them regret the next 70 hours
cheers!
off to bed!

On February 13 2012 07:03 Bill Murray wrote:
Curu just messaged me and said i protected my target from a hit (layabout)

On February 13 2012 17:04 -_-Quails wrote:


As Toad asked, why did you protect layabout the "not clear town" over a town PR who was confirmed to you?

Also, why are you sheeping a player whose alignment you are unsure of? Shouldn't you at least sheep your strongest townread if you aren't going to pay attention? Or are you claiming that at this point in the thread layabout is your strongest townread?

##vote BillMurray

On February 08 2012 01:16 layabout wrote:
We now have a few candidates that might actually be scum:
Toad
Cyber+Cheese
Sheth
maybe someone else