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On January 24 2012 23:10 GMarshal wrote: Please don't use the term "newfag" -__- Its perhaps one of my most hated 4chanisms. DESU | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:08 Blazinghand wrote: What are you kidding me? This game is somewhat similar to Resistance I insofar as that the mafia have limited/no way of communicating with each other, and as town we have to take great care when discussing what the mafia may do lest we accidentally inform them of some sort of strat they haven't though of. Obviously there's a possibility of inception agent seeing their messages. If some scum player is somehow so unimaginably bad that he didn't realize this, I'd be honestly shocked and appalled at his inordinately poor observation skills. I will talk about what I want when I want. | ||
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##Vote Radfield I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little. | ||
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On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. Pointless post. On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote: Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid. This is some serious town posting yo. On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info. So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah" In fact ##Vote Navillus not scum is 7 letters and a space town is 4 letters therefore i will just be saying town. jackal is town | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:17 Radfield wrote: Why is it dumb. Mafia need to vote in order to make a night-kill. Each mafia member gets two votes. If there is no obvious town consensus on who is town, then that makes the mafia vote much more difficult. If we have a couple players who many of us are saying are obvious town, then mafia are obviously going to all vote for those players. If instead we just have a large list of players who are 'not currently scummy' then that means the mafia votes will be far more spread out. There will also likely be a number of mafia in our 'not scum' group, which means the odds of mafia shooting themselves are far greater. It ups the odds of friendly fire, and lowers the odds of having players die who are obviously town. It's hard to spot obvious townies when you are mafia, though this game may be slightly different in that respect. If it's dumb, tell me why it is dumb. because saying someone is town or leaning town is the same thing as saying someone is not scummy. It's convoluted and pointless and an excellent way for you to distract town from scumhunting right out the gate. On January 26 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote: That's funny you say that. I had several very clear points I was making, and they took a bit of text to make. Please point out the fluff to me. More-so than many other large game-starting posts I have made, that one had very clear direction, focus, and specific tangible goals. It has become a fad in TL Mafia to make claims that large posts are devoid of content, so please point out where I am lacking content in that post. Show me that you are not just part of the fad. Because the points you made had nothing to do with looking for the mafia, in fact nothing you've done so far has resembled scumhunting. On January 26 2012 13:23 bumatlarge wrote: I think redff is not being conducive to a pro-town atmosphere. At best he smell's like a cell agent ![]() ##Vote redFF thanks | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 Nobody cares you made your point. What do you think of radfield's "plan"? | ||
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Why are you so eager to give them their advantage back? I'm not.We should be transparent with our reads. Scum will just end up shooting into the "not scummy" pool and we might have wagons build up on people who others think are town but in thread listed as null reads. You're right though, we shouldn't argue about this. Bum unvote me and vote Navillus, everyone else do the same. | ||
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A: scummy B: not scum C: very scummy D: not scum E: Definitely scum F: scummy Not scum: B and D Example reads 2 A: scummy B: town C: very scummy D: town E: Definitely scum F: scummy not scum: B and D its the same thing | ||
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I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed. It's not great medics since this game has a lot of newer players (or at least players I don't recognize) and if nobody's posting there townreads it's going to be harder for any medics to know who to protect, but this isn't that big of a deal and it will still be fairly to easy to just protect a town read. inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something. | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:53 Navillus wrote: RedFF I really would like to hear an actual reason that Rad's plan is bad, the best you've come up with seems to be "it's convoluted", which well, I honestly don't see a single confusing part of it, scummy = scummy not scum = the opposite, he's not using like new terminology, and that "not scum" is more letters than "town", which I'm going to assume was not a real argument. Insofar as neither of those are particularly convincing and I think that you're smart enough to realize that I'd really like to know why you actually don't want this to happen, it seems to have clear benefits to the town that have been outlined, do you have a problem with that? I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy. You're scum and you're time is running out baby. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote: We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all. Oh rad mentioned them in his post so I assumed they were in the op or something. On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote: About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are. So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns. I agree with the first part, associative tells will be pretty useless this game, at least not until later on after they've gotten a few messages through. It's going to be a lot like SK hunting, which isn't really very fun... Other than that I think we'll just see normalish scumplay of pushing mislynches and attempting to look town. There might be some hesitance to vote on to wagons for fear of lynching a buddy. Yeah there's a certain element of not getting shot but I don't think it will radically alter any scum's play. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Isn't this discussing scum strategy? OMG GGQ IS MAFIA. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:09 Navillus wrote: I am... confused, you say you reread it and changed your mind, but the part that you're saying is good is... the plan, as in the exact part you were arguing against 3 minutes ago. And saying doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ??? Vote: redFF And now a decent wagon has built up you feel safe enough to vote me. Awesome, but wait, WHAT IF IM YOUR BUDDY? I took a step back, calmed down and read Rad's plan without immediately thinking OMG HE'S TELLING US NOT TO BE TRANSPARENT. BADBADBAD On January 26 2012 14:08 Blazinghand wrote: yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that I don't like you very much. You're not very funny. On January 26 2012 14:11 Navillus wrote: Why would town be afraid of this? Just saw your post, I didn't want to vote right after you voted/accused me because I thought (and still think) that you would have just called it an OMGUS, now it looks like you've decided to be mad at me for NOT voting for, and I'm sure somehow my voting at this exact moment specifically proves I'm scum too. In other words, you are redirecting. What does that even mean? How am I redirecting? And yes, yes it does. | ||
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The redirecting would be the insane tunneling on me, the reason I wouldn't want that OMGUS would be because I wouldn't want to give you an easy way to redirect which was admittedly stupid, you're obviously going to make some bs case against me no matter what so I'm just gonna focus on getting you lynched.[quote]I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you? Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling. [quote]On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far? | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:32 redFF wrote: I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you? Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling. Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far? | ||
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People are so eager with voting so early on the day! Is there something wrong with that?Also unvote me bum | ||
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On January 26 2012 22:47 Jackal58 wrote: I agree with the assertion that we shouldn't label somebody as definite town. I disagree with Radfields ploy of calling town "not scum" That's what I called stupid. And I stand by that. It's stupid. It's a semantics game. redFF- Why do you call Radfield town in your first post and then vote him in your second? Wtf is up with that? I have no problem with voting Rad - I got scum vibes from his first post - but what you did red looks like you're trying to talk to a scumbuddy. It was a joke based on him telling us not to call people town. Hence the "ololol" | ||
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On January 26 2012 21:56 Cwave wrote: Why not vote him then? Although Radfield's his posts screams scum i agree on the point that someone who get's a label town from us all is just very likely to get votes from the scumteam. We all have to prevent that, more so early on. Later on, we hopefully get some reads from our DT on scum. olawd | ||
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On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote: Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield I am ok with policy lynching this VI | ||
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On January 27 2012 01:35 Cwave wrote: what? Where did you get that from...I had to mafia wiki it... Sometimes, successful lynching of the "Village Idiot" results in the mafia being able to kill two people that night. | ||
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On January 27 2012 02:39 GreYMisT wrote: Just a reminder that although this town is full of cell agents who want to kill you, it is important to be nice to one another! who knows? a smile and a friendly hello might be what spare your life. STFU | ||
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On January 27 2012 11:35 vaderseven wrote: ##vote Cwave Forgot to do that. @Radfield I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up. Navillus is a far better lynch. | ||
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On January 27 2012 22:58 Refallen wrote: Zeph, don't you agree that Navi is defending Rad pretty hard? If you're voting for him, shouldnt you be suspicious of Rad too? derp | ||
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On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote: Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo.... you cunt | ||
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Since we have no associative tells this game, and scum have no ideas who their buddies are, we are forced to look at other methods of scumhunting. First of all, Rad's lynch was objectively terrible, and the fact that jackal, bum, MZ, and Wiggles were all on it blows my mind. There's scum in those 4, probably more than 1, going to filter them and see their shitty reasons for their shitty votes. We are lynching one of them tomorrow, no questions asked. Wiggles: It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. then...why didn't you vote him? Oh right dat rad day 1 mislynch.On January 27 2012 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Right now, the sudden support for offing Cwave looks like it's falling into that third category, so I'm going to pay particular attention to everyone who jumped on him, and for what their reasons were, because he makes a very valid point about what Radfield posted. First of all, with Cwave there is no such thing as a valid point. Saying that automatically gives you scum points. Now let's see this special attention you promised to give to anyone that jumped on him, because I have a feeling there won't be any. reads filter nope nothing :/ On January 28 2012 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, I'm going to vote radfield now. If someone can give me some kind of amazing reason to move my vote, I'll do so. ##Vote: Radfield There were no amazing reasons to vote rad in the first place. I don't really like how all the wagons look right now. Votes radfield anyway. probably buddies with bum. -- SPEAKING OF BUM On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote: not a contradiction, shitty voteLanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment. Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. And how is this not a direct contradiction of what you said not to do. You are essentially calling him town here. One strike too many. ##Vote: Radfield bum didn't do anything yesterday. i'm sad that he didn't get lynched and I apologize for keeping my vote on derpillus. I'll be voting bum tomorrow. will get to jackal and mz later. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:56 Blazinghand wrote: The case on Bum is nonexistent and meaningless. He handwaved a bit in a fashion consistent with his previous posting. The case on Radfield is based on some suspicious posting he made, and is also pretty shitty, but not nearly as shitty as the Bum case. I'm alarmed that people aren't lynching MZ. Alarmed. CALLS CASE ON RAD SHITTY SAYS HE WANTS MEAPAK LYNCHED VOTES RAD DING DING DING | ||
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actually fuck this, cwave was on the rad wagon and he CANNOT be allowed to live to a point where his vote actually means something because if town, he cannot be trusted to make the right decision. And he's probably scum anyway. so yeah lets lynch cwave tomorrow. scumteam of Blazing, cwave and bum called it. | ||
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I just need one person to, but it is vital. | ||
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found 1 dumbass you can move your vote now refallen. anyways ##Vote Bum hopefully cwave will be modkilled | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote: Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post? Why'd you ask this question? Jackal is probably scum btdubz | ||
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Navillus (1): RedFF Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum. The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing. Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon. MZ, Jackal, and Bum are all experienced players. Bum has the most games played on tl mafia, he's too good to vote rad as town and must die. MZ is weird because he replaced out and I'm giving scamp the benefit of the doubt for now. Jackal is obvscum and we will lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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Also I still think CWave is VI. Yes he is a VI, what does this have to do with anything?On January 30 2012 06:24 Cwave wrote: lolIs redFF always this level of angry? I started the bloody wagon cause i thought the list Radfield provided was a scum move. So don't state that i joined in on it if you want to make an argument. Now you want to kill(not lynch) the entire voting list of Radfield starting with the veteran players? On January 30 2012 06:51 Blazinghand wrote: Well, given the previous debacle, his inability to be legitimately helpful, and his slippery scum communication with redFF, I see no reason not to ##Vote: Refallen. He looks like scum to me. lol I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. Who say's i didn't ISO them? | ||
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On January 30 2012 07:59 Lanaia wrote: Redff, what do you think of blazinghand? Probably scum. I think being on the rad lynch while simultaneously calling it bad and calling for a MZ lynch was scummy. I think avoiding and barely saying anything about Bum is scummy. I think voting Refallen is scummy. | ||
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On January 30 2012 08:24 Blazinghand wrote: Oh no wait hold on scratch that redFF is scum making stuff up to save his scumbuddy refallen since I caught them communicating in thread, and everything he said *IS* deceptive and does not accurately characterize my actions this game. How about that look brah, you said you didn't vote MZ yesterday because it wouldn't have affected anything because it would have been a 1 person wagon. Now you're voting refallen, a 1 person wagon. | ||
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On January 30 2012 08:44 Lanaia wrote: GGQ, please talk more. We need it. Seriously. Get over here now. Red doesn't feel like how he normally feels when I think he's scum and when I think he's scum he's usually town so I think he's probably actually scum right now. But we'll see eventually. That makes perfect Lanaia-sense™ | ||
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On January 31 2012 14:06 Scamp wrote: Pot. Kettle. Black. Also, throw light suspicion on half the people in the game. Do nothing otherwise. Yeah, you don't have to work with me here. Anyway, I agree in that I don't think Jackal is scum. Also redFF I don't think he's actually made a case against you. Yeah but he's called me scum. | ||
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Admits all the chaos from recent events, it is great to know that Liquidia is focused on moving forward, and bettering man kind. This is TLNN: Where the news comes to YOU *Amidst Destabilization Engine Is this game relevant?I refuse to believe that that Radfield wagon was all town. It was too terrible. I'm fine with either a Jackal or Scamp lynch today. Cwave and Blazinghad get a pass on derpiness, will look at them once both of the previous people I mentioned are dead. | ||
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On February 01 2012 10:50 Blazinghand wrote: Best case scenario, Refallen's actions there are null read, but he's still a guy who's contributed nothing and basically been actively unhelpful all game. As opposed to your spearheading of the excellent radfield day 1 lynch. | ||
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On February 01 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes you're right I basically made the case against radfield, and pushed him all day, and definitely wasn't trying to push someone else or something and had my hand forced to go for him instead of bum. Your characterization of my actions is accurate as usual. Voting for radfield day 1 was terrible and inexcusable so i don't care what you have to say. | ||
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He wasn't on the Rad wagon, therefore I am not touching him. | ||
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On February 01 2012 11:26 Lanaia wrote: Clearly we've gotten so far with lynching people on the rad wagon that we obviously need to do it again. x.x yup | ||
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I also don't think the rad wagon was a major part of why a lot of people voted bum yesterday. | ||
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On February 01 2012 12:13 Blazinghand wrote: redFF no more dodging: do you think refallen is scummy? I'm not dodging, I simply don't care. | ||
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On February 01 2012 12:53 Lanaia wrote: We know at least two of those people were town. We saw two flip. There are two more I'm unwilling to lynch. And the other two seem town, so... (since the replacement, at least). I'm no longer going to lynch people off that wagon until I have a reason where I really should. The nokill baffles me. THE REASON THAT YOU SHOULD IS BECAUSE IT WAS A FUCKING AWFUL WAGON AND I HAVE TOO MUCH FAITH IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ALL TOWN. | ||
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This I don't understand, please explain. I would be fine with a scamp lynch but I'd prefer a Jackal. | ||
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On February 02 2012 02:07 Jackal58 wrote: My scum list was 3 I hadn't voted for. And my vote is going to go on Refallen. redFF seemed to be begging for another vote. Fwiw I don't really see red as scum. I'm just calling him scum to piss him off. Cause that's like a hobby of mine. Too late bro, when I get home tonight I'm bringing the fire. | ||
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On January 27 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote: It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did. ##VOTE: Radfield. Really dude? This pretty much sums it up. That post is vague as fuck and clearly proves my point. There was no case. On January 27 2012 23:16 Jackal58 wrote: You're saying Rad came up with his plan to send a message to the other scum? Your case was purely hypothetical with no proof.Are you for real? Do you not understand how this game works? Of course you understand how this game works. It is day 1. Scum are clueless until their first messages are sent. I understand exactly what you were saying. But the way you say it is like a fucking beacon. Why did you feel compelled to create new terminology for "town". It makes no fucking sense unless you want to put out a post that is absolutely incapable of being missed by the other agents. You're scum. And just so there is no misunderstanding I understand exactly what your "plan" (It's not really a plan it's common sense) is doing. No I have no issue with the premise you put forth regarding calling out our town reads. It's the invented terminology you created to do it. It's bullshit. There was no reason for it except to give you an unambiguous means to message your fellow sleeper agents. And trust me. I will not be calling you "not scum" anytime soon. You need to die today. Rad's plan could be a way to send a secret code to the other scum! So could anything anyone ever posts in the game. The case that he created it in order to send other messages to the scum was fucking ridiculous. But hey, rad lynch day 1 is rad lynch day 1 yo. On January 30 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote: Because that changes whether or not they have as yet been able to identify each other. In the first Sleeper cell it required a minimum of 3 days for scum to know who each other were. This set up is much different. Why didn't you ask this question before voting radfield to help confirm whether your suspicions of him breadcrumbing a code were correct? Oh right because you already know the answer and you asked a dumb question for towncred lolololol. This was a response to a question regarding whether scum have power roles On February 02 2012 06:52 Jackal58 wrote: No idea. Didn't have any in the first Sleeper Cell. so then why did you vote refallen here? On January 29 2012 23:17 Jackal58 wrote: Given what you just said it's a reasonable assumption to make. You know this how???? And I never called nor implied you were scum. I simply asked why. You have my vote. ##VOTE: Refallen Once again, another shitty reason for a shitty vote. Refallen is today's "easy lynch" that anyone can sheep onto without looking suspicious in the slightest, and when he flips town(which he probably will) it will be easy to wave away with an "he was scummy and lurking anyway so w/e". Nope. He didn't vote Bum because he thought Bum was scum (I know I sure did) Now for Jackal on red, On January 31 2012 09:52 Jackal58 wrote: You'd be better off shooting me tonight scum. Here is Jackal's first post indicating suspicion of me here's the first time I call jackal scum (I also mentioned him during night 1) On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote: Why'd you ask this question? Jackal is probably scum btdubz Him on me is pure reasonless OMGUS because he knows I caught him. His other 2 suspects are Refallen and Lanaia, one of them is a VI mislynch waiting to happen led by Blazingscum who wanted to lynch MZ so bad but has barely mentioned scamp. The other is Lanaia, another easy ml who hasn't done much. He's playing safe and pushing shitty wagons because he know's half of you idiots won't call him out on it. -- Blazinghand You never answered this post On January 30 2012 08:33 redFF wrote: look brah, you said you didn't vote MZ yesterday because it wouldn't have affected anything because it would have been a 1 person wagon. Now you're voting refallen, a 1 person wagon. EVERYONE ON JACKAL NOW GOGOGO | ||
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On February 02 2012 09:25 vaderseven wrote: Jackal, be useful and respound to that post instead of posting stupidness. no hes scum ololol | ||
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On February 02 2012 08:27 redFF wrote: Sorry, that was a misrep. Should say "pushing MZ all day 1 then not mentioning scamp at all, ever." do you deny this? | ||
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On February 02 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote: Are you an idiot? I pushed MZ because he was lurking. But he wasn't lurking, he was banned from TL. Therefore, Scamp replaced him. I haven't seriously examined Scamp since then because Refallen is obvious scum and I'm trying to get him lynched. That's a lie. MZ was around and not banned for the entirety of day 1. He only got banned after night started. | ||
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On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation. ##Vote Refallen What the fuck does this even mean? This is a plurality lynch, there is no way a nolynch can occur. What the fuck is dplitting the vote. Welcome to my scumlist. | ||
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On February 03 2012 03:20 Hesmyrr wrote: Shhh, you might actually want to read before making further fool of yourself. What does that mean. | ||
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Blazinghand- stop talking and sheep me, you have lost your right to make your own cases. I gave you guys scum on a platter and you still mislynched :mad: Considering making a palmar style hitler video | ||
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On February 03 2012 10:18 Lanaia wrote: Being an ass isn't going to get us to follow you. Well being correct obviously doesn't work. I gotta try a new approach. | ||
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On February 03 2012 11:03 Zephirdd wrote: I have to say, Jackal's rebutal is incredibly convincing and well-thought. Who here is in favor of lynching one of them, which will make the other confirmed town(in case he flips scum) or scum(in case he flips town)? Lynch redFF first IMO. Jackal has been giving me town vibes(completely different play than Purgatory). Before anyone says it, yes I fucking "broke" Radfield's plan because it obviously didn't work out for him. kills self | ||
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most scummy Jackal58 Scamp Hesmyrr Blazinghand Zephirdd scummy | ||
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I also know when he is scum. | ||
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On February 03 2012 11:53 Zephirdd wrote: ROFL I make the minimalist accusation that you may possibly be scum and you insta-OMGUS me? overreacting much? More your shitty jump on the refallen wagon but w/e I don't really care what you think. | ||
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Red, you have one person who is not scum on your list. what does that mean | ||
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On February 03 2012 14:45 Lanaia wrote: IT MEANS I THINK YOU HAVE ONE NOTSCUM ON YOUR LIST. What else would it mean, silly? Ok | ||
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Therefore we should focus our efforts on Cwave, Jackal, and Bum. I am confident that at least two of them are scum. I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information. What changed to make you say this: Anyway, I agree in that I don't think Jackal is scum. and then you switched again [quote]I used to have no idea what to think of Jackal.[quote]This is a lie because you called him town last time you mentioned him.[quote] However his last post is making me lean scum.[/quote]ok And now you wanna lynch Cwave or GGQ? Jackal and Scamp are both acceptable lynches since you guys seem to have a hard on for jackal... | ||
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you're entirely wrong coming from youI'm not as confident of a scamp flip as I am of a jackal flip. jackal should be the lynch. Scamp is fine tho | ||
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On February 04 2012 03:32 Blazinghand wrote: i think redFF has a custom role with no special powers, but the restriction that he must disagree with me whenever he interacts with me in some way, even if it's trivial I'm disagreeing with you because you're fucking awful at this game and wrong about everything. | ||
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On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote: Ugh, I really hope scum actually doesn't have any prs. People I am willing to lynch today: GGQ Heymyrr Zeph Possibly redff. There are some neutrals I'd feel better about not lynching today so I don't have them on here. Vader, do you think he'd be hiding by doing what he's doing if he is scum? I'm sorry naia but you are playing very badly if you are town. Welcome to my scumlist. | ||
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[vote]scamp[/vote] since jackal is clearly not happening. I'm taking no responsibility for this town loss. GGQ could be scum, but so could zephirdd or you or scamp or cwave or any of the other lurkers in this game. Why GGQ? You've been tunneling on him day 1. This is the reason town lose games, because you get shitty reads off a day 1 post and don't let up. Vaderseven has ignored everything in this game not to do with GGQ, and is most likely town. Naia give me one fucking reason I'm scummy. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:08 Lanaia wrote: People spell my name wrong in real life all the time, even my family. ![]() Oh, and the pronounciations! That's cool you think that, red. Can you explain what exactly about that post makes me seem scummy to you? Your reads are fucking terrible and given without reason. | ||
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With 11 alive, if we assume 4 scum then that's only 7 town. mislynch today and scum kill 5 town-4 scum- LYLO If we assume 5 scum (as bum i think pointed out) 6 town- 5 scum LYLO today. So today it is vital we lynch scum. Not a lurker who is null at best. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:22 Lanaia wrote: Red, because roleinfo. Alright I'm not letting you get away with this in a possible LYLO situation. Claim. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote: Red, it's 5-5 today. OH SHIT 10 people alive!? K, we're either MYLO or LYLO here, and since we can't nolynch, just LYLO. What makes you automatically think 5 scum Hesmyrr? | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote: Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy. Night one, Blazinghand. Night two, CWave. Night three, Jackal. They were all either green or blue. I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue. What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it. I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities... | ||
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On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote: Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. he said 4-5, not a definite number. Hesmyrr please point me to where lanaia or cwave commented on amount of scum. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote: What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it. I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities... I'm actually thinking you botched a fakeclaim here up :/ Explain why you checked who you checked. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:34 Lanaia wrote: Received the results when I got the result of my night one action. The psychological test is referred to in the OP in the intelligence agent sample role PM. I crumbed throughout the game if you'd like me to go back and quote it all for you. Why do you thin igrok chose to tell cops their sanities? | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:38 GGQ wrote: He's not twisting anything, bro. You said it was 5-5 with complete certainty. this thinking 2 caught scum 1 page | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:41 Hesmyrr wrote: LOL. If you seriously prioritize "scum-tell" over scuminess I'll be sad. Note how GGQ immediately jumped in here with accusation against me the moment he got something to throw against me? I think you've been scummy too. This is an overreaction. | ||
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What does the previous game have to do with anything. This is a new game with a new setup. | ||
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I saw the scummy post, so did GGQ... | ||
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Meh this is annoying. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:50 Lanaia wrote: Seriously? The one time I don't check my preview this game. And yeah, that was an overreaction on hesmyrr's part. I have no idea. Would I really hit three people who have been framed/are gfs on three consecutive nights, though? I never suggested you hit frames or gfs. Honestly telling cops their sanity seems to defeat the purpose of cop sanities no? Explain why you checked who you checked. also this-- Hessmyrr sorry if you pointed this out already but Hesmyrr please point me to where lanaia or cwave commented on amount of scum. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote: Whatever, I think we can still agree Scamp and GGQ needs to be lynched today. doesn't fly. | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote: lanaia actually already claimed detective earlier in this thread, and also claimed that I was not town. where | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:00 Hesmyrr wrote: Once again, weigh my scum-tell against ISO of these guys and see which one is the better lynch. I think you're scummier than GGQ, you're about level with scamp though. What do you think of the lanaia claim? | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:06 Hesmyrr wrote: Quickly looked over her posts, her behaviour seems consistent and nobody counter-claimed her so I don't know why you are being skeptical. At least, I am sure if Scamp comes up with a counter-claim it will be obvious who is lying. why does there have to be only 1 cop? | ||
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This looks like rolefishing bro. | ||
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I believe lanaia's claim, doesn't mean we can't count out gfs. THey are common on tl. Zephirdd what makes you think anyone was sceptical. Zephirdd why are you ok with a GGQ lynch? Updated scumlist scum hesmyrr/scamp (still deciding must read) zephirdd Jackal GGQ vader BH cwave lanaia town only willing to lynch hesmyrr or scamp at this stage tbh Naia If you could I wouldn't mind a check on vader/ggq tonight. | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:28 Blazinghand wrote: redFF's scumlist: everyone who's not redFF what | ||
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On February 04 2012 13:16 vaderseven wrote: I think its legit. Why do you think otherwise? i do? | ||
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They are Scamp/hesmyrr | ||
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I think we should lynch scamp as I'm almost positive he'll flip scum. | ||
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On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote: You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation. ##Vote Refallen This was scummy as fuck. On February 03 2012 02:08 Hesmyrr wrote: 7-5 situation when there is less than nine hours left = splitting the vote between several candidates = begging for scum to quick vote third candidate into lead. This was his justification for switching from Scamp to refallen, but it makes no sense. Scamp would be the third candidate in this situation, but if he was scum why would scum quickvote him into the lead? Why would that be bad if they did that? | ||
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Vader, if you think I'm scum, why did you vote and unvote me? lol On February 08 2012 03:02 Hesmyrr wrote: Why don't you kill me and find out Jesus Christ this town. Dat obvscum If you actually are town I will be kicking myself for not policy lynching you. On February 08 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote: So, we go the same way as scamp and all-vote hesmyrr? ##Vote Hesmyrr what's your read on hesmyrr? Zephirdd is tomorrow's lynch in case anyone is wondering. On February 08 2012 04:24 vaderseven wrote: Tunnels GGQ for 4 straight days, hops off to scummyr for dat ez towncred. If I was as sure of a read as you seem to be and it was LYLO I wouldn't be hopping off my no1 scumread so easily. How come you felt the need to post such a drawn out justification of your vote on obvscum hesmyrr? Da Fuck? I was at a lose as to how to approach today as it is lylo or lylo -1 at best (4 or 5 scum... I can't see 3 scum in this setup especially after looking at the sleeper cell 1 setip) and noone has really listened to me even though I made it VERY CLEAR that voting GGQ is the ez choice for nailing scum. You just made it easier I think. You litterally aren't allowed to 'ruin the game' which I think self voting as town would do. There is no hammer in this game so there is no reason for me to hold my vote while you come to your senses. You are either claiming scum or trying to set the town up to lose on purpose. ##vote Hesmyrr If you grow up and decide to try to play the game out do let us know because I would love to see how this all plays out without someone emo quiting at this point. Lol @ this attempt to set up a redff mislynch in a couple days. Sorry bro I can 100% guarantee that that will not happen, >=/ I mean really, we have all invested time (some of us got sick enough that we thought death was possible during the game and still played it out... just sayin) and its just not fair no matter the team you are on to pull this stunt. I also tend to find it is scum players that pull this kind of stunt. Especially this late in the game. If Hesmyrr is scum like he pretty much just confirmed he is, that means RedFF has some explaining to do. I am fairly sure that means you are scum. Explain this vote / unvote thing please. At this point, it isn't a matter timing it is a matter of you are pretty much confirmed scum and you have been shady about something in the thread. Now I have to call you on that and find out whats up. How does Hesmyrr's scum flip make me scum? Any associative tells or is it simply because I'm the only one you think you have a chance at mislynching(you don't) Tomorrow zeph, the day after V7. | ||
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On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote: What does this mean, did our dead dt have a scumread on me?Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum. If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck. Maybe that's a hint that your case is bad.I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama. Maybe that's a hint that he's not obvious scum.Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever. Notice how no one cares? Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around? Blatant misrep that's not what I said.But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break. You've essentially set up a 1v1 between GGQ and yourself, something which we will have to deal with in a couple of days that I'm not looking forward to. -_- I had you as a decently town read before today too. | ||
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On February 09 2012 06:22 GGQ wrote: and that leaves you out of it. How convenient. now scummier than v7, still thinking though | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:10 Zephirdd wrote: Expected shit is expected. btw red don't worry, by tomorrow I'll be raping your scummy ass. haha yeah ok bro | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:11 Jackal58 wrote: Doing vote analysis. Be back shortly. looking forward to it. | ||
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Vote count at time of lynch. Radfield (6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand Navillus (1): RedFF Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven this is the first votecount without taking reads into account and only using flips Very disappointed that the rad wagon looks like it was mainly town driven. both zeph and v7 are on naia, while GGQ is on Bum with hes. this is hard. | ||
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regardless, I'll let jackal do the rest, do them in this formate plz. | ||
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DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT | ||
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On February 09 2012 10:37 Zephirdd wrote: btw before anything, red, who is the scum team again? I mean of course from your fake town POV, like, who do you think are the scum players? Don't give me a tier list, give me the whole team. you, one of ggq/v7(possibly both) I've been incredibly clear about this. | ||
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On February 03 2012 06:57 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count! Refallen (6): Blazinghand, Lanaia, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Scamp, GGQ Jackal58 (1): RedFF Hesmyrr (1): Refallen RedFF (1): Jackal58 GGQ (2): vaderseven, Cwave Jackal58 (1): Navillus The Day ends in about 2 hours! look at dem scum hopping on refallen's wagon after lanaia mmm Refallen, The Honest Citizen, was wrongly imprisoned! It is worth noting that GGQ was not on refallen's wagon when the lynch occured, that looks like trying to get off the town lynch for town cred though.Final Vote Count! Refallen (5): Blazinghand, Lanaia, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Scamp Scamp (1): GGQ Jackal58 (3): RedFF, Navillus, Refallen RedFF (1): Jackal58 GGQ (2): vaderseven, Cwave It is now Night 4! please submit all your crap to me and iGrok. the Night ends in 24 hours, on Saturday, Feb 04 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Thinking about it the only reason that I think v7 could be scummier than ggq is because he kinda came out all guns blazing at me at the start of today, so yeah. Probably wanna lynch GGQ but zeph first regardless. Those quoted votecounts reaffirm my zeph read. I'm not colouring the cop checks because i really don't think they've acted that town and i'm terrified that one of them is scum :S not much i can do about that now though zzz EUGH | ||
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On February 09 2012 12:24 Zephirdd wrote: So, you are saying that, right now, there are two scum alive, is that correct? If is that so, why did you opt to lynch Hesmyrr, if his "scumslip" was not a scumslip, as in, he was wrong when he said we have five scum alive? On February 09 2012 11:47 redFF wrote: you, one of ggq/v7(possibly both) I've been incredibly clear about this. What is the difference of that Hesmyrr "post slip" and a "pre slip" Hesmyrr? Does it matter? He's lynched and he was scum. That's actually a fair point though, so yeah its prob most of them.How come you have miraculously been away from every mislynch but the bum lynch, yet you have always been parking your votes on town all this time, red(assuming Lanaia's checks are accurate, ofc)? I don't know, bad reads? Meh i explained all my reads this game. How come your vote was on the cop day 1? How come you were on the bum and refallen mislynches? See those questions are stupid and pointless. You are twisting null at best things to be scummy. Misrepmisrepmisrepmisrep blahblahblahAnd finally, why have all of your votes parked on town under retarded reasoning(besides bum who was scum as fuck)? I'm talking about this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792¤tpage=8#145 That was literally the third page of day 1 you idiot. Still it's more than you've done this whole game. Or your multiple "JACKAL IS SCUM JUST LYNCH HIM" posts where you even complained about playing the game(making a case about him). is that scummy?AND when you finally give him a case, it's basically 'LOL HE OMGUS ME' false misrep again, but that seems par for the course for you.And finally, red, how the fuck are you still alive when you have basically claimed blue with your VOTEMEGUYS? Only you and your homeboys know the answer to that one. | ||
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On February 03 2012 11:03 Zephirdd wrote: I have to say, Jackal's rebutal is incredibly convincing and well-thought. Who here is in favor of lynching one of them, which will make the other confirmed town(in case he flips scum) or scum(in case he flips town)? Lynch redFF first IMO. Jackal has been giving me town vibes(completely different play than Purgatory). Before anyone says it, yes I fucking "broke" Radfield's plan because it obviously didn't work out for him. LOLOLOL THIS POST | ||
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On February 09 2012 12:54 vaderseven wrote: When EXACTLY will the day start? what an odd thing to ask | ||
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On February 09 2012 15:31 vaderseven wrote: God what possible purpose does your question serve man? I feel like you read every post of mine lately with the preconceived notion that I am scum and justify your conclusions from that point on. Assume im town and posted that. Why would a town player post that and then answer the question you posted? Get my point? You're confirmed scum if Hesmyrr's slip was genuine :/ | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:24 Cwave wrote: As stated before, we deal with you 3(Zeph,V7,RED) in the end. GGQ has to die a horrible death @ the lynch tomorrow. Redff, don't be so cocky when you get yourself temp-banned midgame. what does me getting banned have to do with anything? | ||
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1. im not being lynched today 2. you just voted me when i've specifically asked people to vote me all game, and you have a scumread on me. | ||
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I don't really have a strong read on you one way or the other. I think you are tunneling and aggressive and might be suffering from confirmation bias on and off this whole game but I don't really have anything in my notes that says anything more than that. When I applied light pressure to you yesterday you just went into a tunnel-ish (though much shorter lived than say your tunnel on jackal) confirmation bias-ish omgus. You're saying I'm tunneling when you've been on GGQ since day 2. Do you know what tunneling is? Suspecting someone is not tunneling. Now v7's shitty stupid claim means i have to fucking claim doesn't it. I'm a ctu agent my flavor says some shit about how i'm jack bauer stone cold badass etc anyway I'm action and kill immune at night On January 26 2012 14:06 redFF wrote: I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy. You're scum and you're time is running out baby. dat crumb Tick, tick, tick, tick on the watch the above are lyrics from the song bulletproof by la roux :pAnd life's too short for me to stop Oh baby, your time is running out Also i'm like 90% sure i'm responsible for the nokill on n2. If zeph/ggq have half a braincell between them one of them will probably claim medic as it's the only way to unconfirm me and try to push me as a scum ascetic. but it won't work. As for the voting thing if any town players actually doubt my townieness id be more than happy to explain but otherwise i'd like to save it until post game discussion. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:24 Zephirdd wrote: Assume that scum PRs exist. It's not impossible to think that red is a nightaction-proof scum, considering the inception agent(Radfield) could be a KP role. redFF himself said that godfather was a possibility in a way to discredit Lanaia's checks. It's not impossible either that, with limited communication, scum shot red when he first said "HEY GUYS VOTEMEPLZ" even if he was scum. See GGQ on Sleeper Cell 1(who actually died). Explains V7 null check. Explains night 2 no-kill. Explains balanced setup(so many blues, scum gotta have a PR). herpderp lynch red I'm in for the 24/24 cycle lol | ||
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On February 11 2012 06:05 GGQ wrote: worst blue claim ever i agree | ||
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On February 11 2012 09:21 Zephirdd wrote: lol ninja post I hadn't thought about cwave. I was basically focused on redFF mainly from his insta-OMGUS on me and Lanaia. i didn't omgus you and lanaia never accused me | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:34 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm what are the chances that a town is a miller in this setup? it's not common for millers to know that they are millers LOL | ||
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We had 2 "confirmed townies" who needed to be killed, only confirmed through cop checks. Your claim has given a reason to leave them both alive to scum and let the WIFOM brew. | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:34 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm what are the chances that a town is a miller in this setup? it's not common for millers to know that they are millers im not sure if this is town preparing for the possibility of being red checked and paranoid or just scum | ||
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bg rest of town fuck you all i lead 4 straight scum lynches but you fucked us up too much early on | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:22 iGrok wrote: Why the game went so long: As the endgame approached, a rather unique situation developed. After talking with several notable mafia veterans, we decided that ending in a draw was the only fair result if it got down to a Red vs Vadar scenario. Below is why: [2/12/2012 5:31:57 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first, vadar gets lynched [2/12/2012 5:32:06 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if vadar votes first, red gets lynched [2/12/2012 5:32:18 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first and vadar doesn't vote, red dies (becuase thats his role) [2/12/2012 5:32:21 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: it'll be 2 alive [2/12/2012 5:32:42 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: so its possible for town win, mafia win, or draw But, if the vadar did not kill at night, it would be 3 players, and if red was lynched, scum would win. Therefore, the only good solution was to wait for tonight's kill, and then declare the draw if it was vadar and red. this is insanely retarded | ||
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so that's why i had to ask for votes | ||
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i knew who every scum was day 4 and i was town if scum knew numbers which i assume they did, they coulda just sheeped one obvscum on to a town wagon | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:01 Blazinghand wrote: I think it should have been reasonably clear with some analysis that V7's claim had holes in it (navillius and n2 no-check, as well as the fact that he had to respost it, just off hand), and he was scum, not you. but it was zeph, v7 myself and cwave how can town win from that | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:07 Jackal58 wrote: You probably shouldn't have spent half the game calling me scum. Plus I don't care. Mod win ftmfw!!!!!! meh i thought you were scummy, you had an inno check though and it's not like i could have pushed another lynch through the retardedness of the refallen and rad lynches. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:08 Blazinghand wrote: ;_; hey man a lot of things went wrong for town but overall I think you and I managed to pull things together a bit as we pushed towards the end. I think Lanaia soft-claimed too early, and when she did claim Jackal shouldn't have tried to confirm her claim by throwing away an extra town vote, etc, but this was an exciting and exhilarating game. Would play again. Also, I'm sorry for the poopey mouth remark. we had all 5 scum practically confirmed, we didn't pull anything together | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:09 Blazinghand wrote: ;_; we got a draw... and we almost got a win! no we didn't almost get a win | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote: Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win. 5 scum 5 town scum lynch town dead at night 4 scum 4 town scum lynch town dead at night 3 scum 3 town scum lynch town dead at night 2 scum 2 town scum lynch town dead at night 1 scum 1 town ???? and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON nope, fuck this | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:12 vaderseven wrote: All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible. this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:18 GreYMisT wrote: And with jackal alive he could have said "nope" and changed all votes to a scum player. Also you seem to have ignored what iGrok had said. the scum cannot communicate with each other during the day or night. therefore we cannot be sure they are capable of a mass vote switch. ... START OF DAY HESMYRR: SUP GUYZ LOL ##VOTE RED REST OF SCUM: OK HES ##VOTE RED did jackal's dayvig end the day? if yes then no change from 5 scum 5 town scum lynch town dead at night 4 scum 4 town scum lynch town dead at night 3 scum 3 town scum lynch town dead at night 2 scum 2 town scum lynch town dead at night 1 scum 1 town ???? | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:20 Zephirdd wrote: btw he is right, the only way town could've won is if scum derped at night and killed another scum/no-killed/tried to hit red again. THIS | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote: I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over. If Jackal was vig: 5 SCUM 5 TOWN Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot. 3 SCUM 4 TOWN he wasn't a vig though | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote: Yeah... but I was dead T_T Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this. that's what im trying to ensure hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:29 GreYMisT wrote: but the game was winable, in fact you almost won. if vader shot you or held your shot you win. If vader shot cwave and you voted him first then you win. we decided to call the game a draw because that senario where whoever posts "Vote" first wins is bad. but the point is that we cannot predict what scum are going to do unless they actually do itl. YES IT IS BAD SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL IT A SCUM WIN 5 DAYS AGO LOL IF SCUM DON'T SHOOT LOL IF SCUM SHOT THE CLAIMED BULLETPROOF | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:31 vaderseven wrote: Red are you saying they should over turn the tie and mark town as the loser? You DID just get out of a lose you know. I had the vote timing down to im pretty sure the half second to line up to the day post so if they hadn't just ended the game like that I would have voted you before you could vote me. It was a pretty for sure scum win. just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE. i don't give a shit about the result i give a shit about bad mods wasting peoples time | ||
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On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote: posting in the thread | ||
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I think if you just had a normal wincon for the scum ie The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening, then this would have been an excellent setup. On February 14 2012 23:52 Palmar wrote: But the issue should have never come about in the first place right? Of course, but this happens in mafia. It's perfectly fine to criticize the setup. I agree that the setup needs to be looked at to prevent a situation like this from happening again. We're really discussing three different things. 1) Does the setup need to be looked at? My opinion is yes. It needs to be somehow tweaked to prevent this situation. 2) Given the circumstances did iGrok handle it correctly? My opinion is yes. I think that the calls he made were correct. The situation was kinda shitty, but he made the best of it. 3) Is it okay to be mad about it? My opinion is yes. But it's not okay to throw abuse around or ask to never allow iGrok to host again. If you don't agree with something, you criticize it, and perhaps even offer a solution. Don't just throw a tantrum. I offered a solution. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:26 Jackal58 wrote: I was basically a day vig. I almost lynched you day 3 just to make you stfu. no you weren't | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:22 GreYMisT wrote: You once again assume that all scum know each other and they are able to perfectly coordinate their kills without shooting you. its possible, but we can't just ask all the players if they know who all their scummates are. Then that's an issue with the setup that should have been fixed before the game began. | ||
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On February 15 2012 06:37 vaderseven wrote: Some groups play the day vig role where the day instantly ends without a lynch when the day vig shoots. The role is super similae if you are thinking of that kind of day vig. A day vig is an extra town kp. This thing just ends the day early, town still loses a lynch. | ||
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The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening problem solved | ||
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On February 15 2012 08:01 iGrok wrote: I hate that solution though, because it takes away from the special mechanics. In Sleeper Cell 1, there was a Cell leader who knew all the names of every agent. Ace was too boss for this to happen, but there was a mechanic that said if the cell leader dies, a new random member is chosen cell leader. I might have to go back to this form, which allows scum to claim in an endgame scenario. why do you need a cell leader | ||
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On February 15 2012 08:03 iGrok wrote: So, mafia wins if they outnumber town and town has no killing roles remaining, or not enough kp to overcome the deficit. That work? Cell leader lets scum claim because there is a list of all scum remaining in the game. no that's too complicated. just go with what i said i don't see an issue with it and it doesn't lead to silly endgame situations like we had. | ||
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On February 15 2012 08:09 iGrok wrote: If there are 2 scum and 2 vigis, you want to end it mafia victory? ... | ||
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