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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 17 2012 02:28 GMT
#7
/in
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 17 2012 03:23 GMT
#11
WHAT WILL I DO WITHOUT ASSOCIATIVE TELLS
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
January 17 2012 23:20 GMT
#31
Shut up Navilus
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 25 2012 03:45 GMT
#101
On January 24 2012 23:10 GMarshal wrote:
Please don't use the term "newfag" -__-
Its perhaps one of my most hated 4chanisms.

DESU
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 25 2012 23:55 GMT
#111
On January 25 2012 16:15 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 12:45 redFF wrote:
On January 24 2012 23:10 GMarshal wrote:
Please don't use the term "newfag" -__-
Its perhaps one of my most hated 4chanisms.

DESU

Since when Japanese was invented by 4chan?

DESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESUDESU
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 03:23 GMT
#130
[image loading]
confirm
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:11 GMT
#140
radfield is town ololol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:14 GMT
#141
On January 26 2012 13:08 Blazinghand wrote:
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On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote:
I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info.


What are you kidding me? This game is somewhat similar to Resistance I insofar as that the mafia have limited/no way of communicating with each other, and as town we have to take great care when discussing what the mafia may do lest we accidentally inform them of some sort of strat they haven't though of. Obviously there's a possibility of inception agent seeing their messages. If some scum player is somehow so unimaginably bad that he didn't realize this, I'd be honestly shocked and appalled at his inordinately poor observation skills.

I will talk about what I want when I want.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:15 GMT
#142
I see no voting thread so I assume we vote in here

##Vote Radfield

I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:22 GMT
#145
On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.

Pointless post.

On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 12:57 Radfield wrote:
On January 26 2012 12:35 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
/confirm

On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.



First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now.

Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on.

We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.

Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves.

Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies.

Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around.

Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information

So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement?

Nice post. Wtf is that booger doing in the middle of it?


Not sure I follow. The idea is that you shouldn't be calling anyone town or probably town. You should either call them scummy(or some degree of scummy) or 'Not Scum'. ie: Don't reveal the degree to which you think someone is town, as that is a way for mafia to communicate, and a way for mafia to galvanize their hits onto townies.

Or were you asking something else?

Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid.

This is some serious town posting yo.

On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote:
I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info.

So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah"
In fact ##Vote Navillus


not scum is 7 letters and a space
town is 4 letters
therefore i will just be saying town.

jackal is town
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:26 GMT
#151
On January 26 2012 13:17 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 13:05 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 26 2012 12:57 Radfield wrote:
On January 26 2012 12:35 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
/confirm

On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.



First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now.

Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on.

We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.

Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves.

Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies.

Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around.

Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information

So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement?

Nice post. Wtf is that booger doing in the middle of it?


Not sure I follow. The idea is that you shouldn't be calling anyone town or probably town. You should either call them scummy(or some degree of scummy) or 'Not Scum'. ie: Don't reveal the degree to which you think someone is town, as that is a way for mafia to communicate, and a way for mafia to galvanize their hits onto townies.

Or were you asking something else?

Alright let's do it this way. I'm not going to say this is stupid. I'm going to say it's very smart, kinda smart, smart, or not smart at all. Dude this is fucking stupid.



Why is it dumb.

Mafia need to vote in order to make a night-kill. Each mafia member gets two votes. If there is no obvious town consensus on who is town, then that makes the mafia vote much more difficult. If we have a couple players who many of us are saying are obvious town, then mafia are obviously going to all vote for those players. If instead we just have a large list of players who are 'not currently scummy' then that means the mafia votes will be far more spread out. There will also likely be a number of mafia in our 'not scum' group, which means the odds of mafia shooting themselves are far greater.

It ups the odds of friendly fire, and lowers the odds of having players die who are obviously town. It's hard to spot obvious townies when you are mafia, though this game may be slightly different in that respect.

If it's dumb, tell me why it is dumb.

because saying someone is town or leaning town is the same thing as saying someone is not scummy. It's convoluted and pointless and an excellent way for you to distract town from scumhunting right out the gate.

On January 26 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 13:15 redFF wrote:
I see no voting thread so I assume we vote in here

##Vote Radfield

I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little.



That's funny you say that. I had several very clear points I was making, and they took a bit of text to make. Please point out the fluff to me.

More-so than many other large game-starting posts I have made, that one had very clear direction, focus, and specific tangible goals. It has become a fad in TL Mafia to make claims that large posts are devoid of content, so please point out where I am lacking content in that post. Show me that you are not just part of the fad.

Because the points you made had nothing to do with looking for the mafia, in fact nothing you've done so far has resembled scumhunting.

On January 26 2012 13:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I think redff is not being conducive to a pro-town atmosphere. At best he smell's like a cell agent

##Vote redFF

thanks
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:27 GMT
#153
On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 13:23 bumatlarge wrote:
I think redff is not being conducive to a pro-town atmosphere. At best he smell's like a cell agent

##Vote redFF


guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315

Nobody cares you made your point.

What do you think of radfield's "plan"?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:48 GMT
#157
Why are you so eager to give them their advantage back?
I'm not.

We should be transparent with our reads. Scum will just end up shooting into the "not scummy" pool and we might have wagons build up on people who others think are town but in thread listed as null reads.

You're right though, we shouldn't argue about this.

Bum unvote me and vote Navillus, everyone else do the same.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 04:51 GMT
#158
Example reads
A: scummy
B: not scum
C: very scummy
D: not scum
E: Definitely scum
F: scummy

Not scum: B and D

Example reads 2

A: scummy
B: town
C: very scummy
D: town
E: Definitely scum
F: scummy

not scum: B and D

its the same thing
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:02 GMT
#164
I reread and rad's plan is probably best.

I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed.

It's not great medics since this game has a lot of newer players (or at least players I don't recognize) and if nobody's posting there townreads it's going to be harder for any medics to know who to protect, but this isn't that big of a deal and it will still be fairly to easy to just protect a town read.

inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:06 GMT
#167
On January 26 2012 13:53 Navillus wrote:
RedFF I really would like to hear an actual reason that Rad's plan is bad, the best you've come up with seems to be "it's convoluted", which well, I honestly don't see a single confusing part of it, scummy = scummy not scum = the opposite, he's not using like new terminology, and that "not scum" is more letters than "town", which I'm going to assume was not a real argument. Insofar as neither of those are particularly convincing and I think that you're smart enough to realize that I'd really like to know why you actually don't want this to happen, it seems to have clear benefits to the town that have been outlined, do you have a problem with that?

I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy.
You're scum and you're time is running out baby.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:11 GMT
#172
On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote:
We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all.

Oh rad mentioned them in his post so I assumed they were in the op or something.
On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote:
About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are.

So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns.

I agree with the first part, associative tells will be pretty useless this game, at least not until later on after they've gotten a few messages through. It's going to be a lot like SK hunting, which isn't really very fun...

Other than that I think we'll just see normalish scumplay of pushing mislynches and attempting to look town. There might be some hesitance to vote on to wagons for fear of lynching a buddy. Yeah there's a certain element of not getting shot but I don't think it will radically alter any scum's play.

Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot.
Isn't this discussing scum strategy? OMG GGQ IS MAFIA.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:16 GMT
#176
On January 26 2012 14:09 Navillus wrote:
I am... confused, you say you reread it and changed your mind, but the part that you're saying is good is... the plan, as in the exact part you were arguing against 3 minutes ago.

And saying
Show nested quote +
inb4 I'm scum for realising I was wrong about something.

doesn't actually mean that it's not true, the way this reads to me is Rad came up with an objectively good plan for town, you went oh shit and tried to derail it, everyone said wait this is good for town wtf are you doing, and now you're backtracking because you know it's good and arguing against it will get you lynched. The thing is I don't see what you saw on reread that "changed your mind" you're just saying what you said was bad before is good now... ???

Vote: redFF

And now a decent wagon has built up you feel safe enough to vote me. Awesome, but wait, WHAT IF IM YOUR BUDDY?

I took a step back, calmed down and read Rad's plan without immediately thinking OMG HE'S TELLING US NOT TO BE TRANSPARENT. BADBADBAD

On January 26 2012 14:08 Blazinghand wrote:
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On January 26 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's the difference between calling someone town or not scum? Why call someone either, unless there's a compelling reason to do so? I don't get it. I can see you don't want scum to know that someone's considered town by everyone, but why bother even calling people town or not scum in the first place?

In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point.

Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others?

Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting.


yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad

oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that

I don't like you very much. You're not very funny.
On January 26 2012 14:11 Navillus wrote:
Just saw your post, I didn't want to vote right after you voted/accused me because I thought (and still think) that you would have just called it an OMGUS,
Why would town be afraid of this?
now it looks like you've decided to be mad at me for NOT voting for, and I'm sure somehow my voting at this exact moment specifically proves I'm scum too. In other words, you are redirecting.
What does that even mean? How am I redirecting? And yes, yes it does.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:16 GMT
#177
Caught scum on page 9
[image loading]
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:32 GMT
#179
[QUOTE]On January 26 2012 14:24 Navillus wrote:
The redirecting would be the insane tunneling on me, the reason I wouldn't want that OMGUS would be because I wouldn't want to give you an easy way to redirect which was admittedly stupid, you're obviously going to make some bs case against me no matter what so I'm just gonna focus on getting you lynched.[quote]I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you?

Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling.

[quote]On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 05:33 GMT
#180
goddamnit EBWOP

On January 26 2012 14:32 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 14:24 Navillus wrote:
The redirecting would be the insane tunneling on me, the reason I wouldn't want that OMGUS would be because I wouldn't want to give you an easy way to redirect which was admittedly stupid, you're obviously going to make some bs case against me no matter what so I'm just gonna focus on getting you lynched.
I'm not sure you know what redirecting means. So you're going to focus on getting me lynched not because you think I'm scummy, but because I'm voting you?

Also I don't think you can call something 3 pages into the game tunneling.

Show nested quote +
On another note, I am leaning very scummy on GGQ, he made one post on radfield's plan ostensibly defending it but ignored jackal and red going after it and then the second red backed down he tried to push the attention elsewhere.

Scum don't know who their buddies are. Otherwise I agree, GGQ what do you think of the game's interactions so far?

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 12:20 GMT
#190
People are so eager with voting so early on the day!
Is there something wrong with that?


Also unvote me bum
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 14:04 GMT
#194
On January 26 2012 22:47 Jackal58 wrote:
I agree with the assertion that we shouldn't label somebody as definite town. I disagree with Radfields ploy of calling town "not scum" That's what I called stupid. And I stand by that. It's stupid. It's a semantics game.

redFF- Why do you call Radfield town in your first post and then vote him in your second? Wtf is up with that? I have no problem with voting Rad - I got scum vibes from his first post - but what you did red looks like you're trying to talk to a scumbuddy.

It was a joke based on him telling us not to call people town.

Hence the "ololol"
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 14:05 GMT
#195
On January 26 2012 21:56 Cwave wrote:
Although Radfield's his posts screams scum
Why not vote him then?
i agree on the point that someone who get's a label town from us all is just very likely to get votes from the scumteam. We all have to prevent that, more so early on. Later on, we hopefully get some reads from our DT on scum.
olawd
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 16:04 GMT
#212
On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 23:37 Radfield wrote:

Almost Certainly Town
X
Y
Z

Likely Town
A
B
C

Leaning Town
1
2
3

Null
H-P

Scummy
Fee
Fie
Foe
Fum



Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?!

##VOTE: Radfield

I am ok with policy lynching this VI
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 16:36 GMT
#226
VI stands for village idiot and it means dumb/bad player who is detrimental to town regardless of alignment.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 16:37 GMT
#227
On January 27 2012 01:35 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 01:30 Zephirdd wrote:
I still want to know what the fuck a VI is...


I had to mafia wiki it...

Sometimes, successful lynching of the "Village Idiot" results in the mafia being able to kill two people that night.
what? Where did you get that from...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 26 2012 20:57 GMT
#258
On January 27 2012 02:39 GreYMisT wrote:
Just a reminder that although this town is full of cell agents who want to kill you, it is important to be nice to one another! who knows? a smile and a friendly hello might be what spare your life.

STFU
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 27 2012 04:00 GMT
#277
On January 27 2012 11:35 vaderseven wrote:
##vote Cwave

Forgot to do that.

@Radfield

I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up.

Navillus is a far better lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 27 2012 22:25 GMT
#349
On January 27 2012 22:58 Refallen wrote:
Zeph, don't you agree that Navi is defending Rad pretty hard? If you're voting for him, shouldnt you be suspicious of Rad too?

derp
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 27 2012 22:30 GMT
#350
naia does this every gane

show me a town game where she doesnt do this/.
redFF
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January 28 2012 06:26 GMT
#445
fuck you all.

scum kill me please.
redFF
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January 28 2012 20:39 GMT
#459
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....

you cunt
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 28 2012 22:16 GMT
#467
sigh this game

Since we have no associative tells this game, and scum have no ideas who their buddies are, we are forced to look at other methods of scumhunting.

First of all, Rad's lynch was objectively terrible, and the fact that jackal, bum, MZ, and Wiggles were all on it blows my mind.

There's scum in those 4, probably more than 1, going to filter them and see their shitty reasons for their shitty votes.

We are lynching one of them tomorrow, no questions asked.

Wiggles:

It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me.
then...why didn't you vote him? Oh right dat rad day 1 mislynch.

On January 27 2012 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Right now, the sudden support for offing Cwave looks like it's falling into that third category, so I'm going to pay particular attention to everyone who jumped on him, and for what their reasons were, because he makes a very valid point about what Radfield posted.

First of all, with Cwave there is no such thing as a valid point. Saying that automatically gives you scum points.

Now let's see this special attention you promised to give to anyone that jumped on him, because I have a feeling there won't be any.
reads filter
nope nothing :/

On January 28 2012 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Well, I'm going to vote radfield now. If someone can give me some kind of amazing reason to move my vote, I'll do so.
##Vote: Radfield

There were no amazing reasons to vote rad in the first place.
I don't really like how all the wagons look right now.
Votes radfield anyway.

probably buddies with bum.

--

SPEAKING OF BUM
On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.

Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.

Show nested quote +
Meapak also fits the lurker bill, buts here's the thing. If Meapak is scum, he was doing one of a few things with his posts. A) He picked out a quick pro-town read on me, and tried to sabotage my cred or get me lynched(ballsy and unlikely). B) Picked out a scum read on me and tried to bus me to gain town cred(unlikely). C) Ignored my potential alignment and just went all out in an effort to build scum-hunting effort credentials(likely).

Or alternatively he is town and saw what he thought was a player trying to communicate with his scum buddies(most likely)


And how is this not a direct contradiction of what you said not to do. You are essentially calling him town here. One strike too many.

##Vote: Radfield
not a contradiction, shitty vote

bum didn't do anything yesterday. i'm sad that he didn't get lynched and I apologize for keeping my vote on derpillus. I'll be voting bum tomorrow.

will get to jackal and mz later.
redFF
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January 28 2012 22:17 GMT
#468
On January 28 2012 08:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 08:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Number of people here will be enough to push anyone present, including Lanaia just saying. Also Blazinghand, I don't think I saw you specifically making a post why you think Radfield is scummy? In this game where mafia can team-kill each other scum will try hard not to look like town leader, which is exactly what he has been doing.


The case on Bum is nonexistent and meaningless. He handwaved a bit in a fashion consistent with his previous posting. The case on Radfield is based on some suspicious posting he made, and is also pretty shitty, but not nearly as shitty as the Bum case.

I'm alarmed that people aren't lynching MZ. Alarmed.


CALLS CASE ON RAD SHITTY
SAYS HE WANTS MEAPAK LYNCHED
VOTES RAD

DING
DING
DING
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 28 2012 22:18 GMT
#469
On January 29 2012 07:00 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:39 redFF wrote:
On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote:
Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo....

you cunt


Relax a bit, boy.

actually fuck this, cwave was on the rad wagon and he CANNOT be allowed to live to a point where his vote actually means something because if town, he cannot be trusted to make the right decision.

And he's probably scum anyway.

so yeah lets lynch cwave tomorrow.

scumteam of Blazing, cwave and bum called it.
redFF
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January 29 2012 00:15 GMT
#477
[vote]cwave[/vote]
redFF
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January 29 2012 00:15 GMT
#478
LOL
##vote cwave
redFF
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January 29 2012 07:01 GMT
#508
SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE

I just need one person to, but it is vital.
redFF
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January 29 2012 18:47 GMT
#523
alright awesome thanks refallen
On January 29 2012 19:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:01 redFF wrote:
SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE

I just need one person to, but it is vital.

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 16:32 Refallen wrote:
Well, ##Vote redFF


Found 2 scum

found 1 dumbass

you can move your vote now refallen.



anyways ##Vote Bum hopefully cwave will be modkilled
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 18:50 GMT
#524
On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?

Why'd you ask this question?


Jackal is probably scum btdubz
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 18:56 GMT
#525
Radfield(6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand

Navillus (1): RedFF

Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr

Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven


Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum.

The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing.

Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon.

MZ, Jackal, and Bum are all experienced players.

Bum has the most games played on tl mafia, he's too good to vote rad as town and must die.

MZ is weird because he replaced out and I'm giving scamp the benefit of the doubt for now.

Jackal is obvscum and we will lynch him tomorrow.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 19:20 GMT
#528
On January 30 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?

Why'd you ask this question?


Jackal is probably scum btdubz

For dat ez towncred.

FTFY
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 20:09 GMT
#531
stfu about ggq nobody cares
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 22:22 GMT
#535
Also I still think CWave is VI.
Yes he is a VI, what does this have to do with anything?
On January 30 2012 06:24 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:56 redFF wrote:
Radfield(6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand

Navillus (1): RedFF

Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr

Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven


Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum.

The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing.

Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon.


Is redFF always this level of angry?
I started the bloody wagon cause i thought the list Radfield provided was a scum move. So don't state that i joined in on it if you want to make an argument.
Now you want to kill(not lynch) the entire voting list of Radfield starting with the veteran players?

lol
On January 30 2012 06:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, given the previous debacle, his inability to be legitimately helpful, and his slippery scum communication with redFF, I see no reason not to ##Vote: Refallen.

He looks like scum to me.

lol
I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF.
Who say's i didn't ISO them?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 23:08 GMT
#537
On January 30 2012 07:59 Lanaia wrote:
Redff, what do you think of blazinghand?

Probably scum.

I think being on the rad lynch while simultaneously calling it bad and calling for a MZ lynch was scummy.

I think avoiding and barely saying anything about Bum is scummy.

I think voting Refallen is scummy.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 29 2012 23:33 GMT
#545
On January 30 2012 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh no wait hold on scratch that redFF is scum making stuff up to save his scumbuddy refallen since I caught them communicating in thread, and everything he said *IS* deceptive and does not accurately characterize my actions this game. How about that

look brah, you said you didn't vote MZ yesterday because it wouldn't have affected anything because it would have been a 1 person wagon.

Now you're voting refallen, a 1 person wagon.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
January 29 2012 23:33 GMT
#546
sup ggq anything else?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 30 2012 00:07 GMT
#552
On January 30 2012 08:44 Lanaia wrote:
GGQ, please talk more. We need it. Seriously. Get over here now.

Red doesn't feel like how he normally feels when I think he's scum and when I think he's scum he's usually town so I think he's probably actually scum right now. But we'll see eventually.

That makes perfect Lanaia-sense™
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 30 2012 00:46 GMT
#554
nope
redFF
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January 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#559
FOS jackal for posting in the other game but not this one
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 31 2012 00:28 GMT
#617
Jackal tomorrow.
redFF
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January 31 2012 02:11 GMT
#623
Yeah I can agree on scamp being probable scum.
redFF
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January 31 2012 02:12 GMT
#624
Yeah Jackal on me is pure OMGUS read his filter.

Time to put this one down.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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January 31 2012 12:14 GMT
#635
On January 31 2012 14:06 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 10:30 Hesmyrr wrote:
On January 31 2012 09:11 Scamp wrote:
I was so sure about scumatlarge.

Could he have been framed?

I think I'll just sleep this one off first before I do anything else.

Lynch town, leave completely stupid post thereafter.
DING DING DING DING


Pot. Kettle. Black.

Also, throw light suspicion on half the people in the game. Do nothing otherwise. Yeah, you don't have to work with me here.


Anyway, I agree in that I don't think Jackal is scum. Also redFF I don't think he's actually made a case against you.

Yeah but he's called me scum.
redFF
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February 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#653
you really think we were talking in code?
redFF
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February 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#654
lets lynch Jackal
##Vote Jackal
redFF
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February 01 2012 01:48 GMT
#655
I'll make a case at some point but it shouldn't be needed
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 01:50 GMT
#657
Admits all the chaos from recent events, it is great to know that Liquidia is focused on moving forward, and bettering man kind. This is TLNN: Where the news comes to YOU

*Amidst

Destabilization Engine
Is this game relevant?

I refuse to believe that that Radfield wagon was all town. It was too terrible. I'm fine with either a Jackal or Scamp lynch today. Cwave and Blazinghad get a pass on derpiness, will look at them once both of the previous people I mentioned are dead.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 01:50 GMT
#658
On February 01 2012 10:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 10:48 redFF wrote:
you really think we were talking in code?


Best case scenario, Refallen's actions there are null read, but he's still a guy who's contributed nothing and basically been actively unhelpful all game.

As opposed to your spearheading of the excellent radfield day 1 lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 02:03 GMT
#662
On February 01 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 10:50 redFF wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 01 2012 10:48 redFF wrote:
you really think we were talking in code?


Best case scenario, Refallen's actions there are null read, but he's still a guy who's contributed nothing and basically been actively unhelpful all game.

As opposed to your spearheading of the excellent radfield day 1 lynch.


Ah yes you're right I basically made the case against radfield, and pushed him all day, and definitely wasn't trying to push someone else or something and had my hand forced to go for him instead of bum. Your characterization of my actions is accurate as usual.

Voting for radfield day 1 was terrible and inexcusable so i don't care what you have to say.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 02:04 GMT
#663
You are a derp, like Cwave, and will be ignored until such a time I see fit.
redFF
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February 01 2012 02:15 GMT
#665
If I was scum I wouldn't know you were the truth since I wouldn't know who my buddies were.
redFF
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February 01 2012 02:21 GMT
#667
I don't care about him.

He wasn't on the Rad wagon, therefore I am not touching him.
redFF
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February 01 2012 03:12 GMT
#672
On February 01 2012 11:26 Lanaia wrote:
Clearly we've gotten so far with lynching people on the rad wagon that we obviously need to do it again. x.x

yup
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 03:13 GMT
#674
I'm sorry but I refuse to believe there wasn't AT LEAST 2 scum on that rad wagon.

I also don't think the rad wagon was a major part of why a lot of people voted bum yesterday.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#675
On February 01 2012 12:13 Blazinghand wrote:
redFF no more dodging: do you think refallen is scummy?

I'm not dodging, I simply don't care.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#676
Jackal is taunting me because he knows I know he is scum but you idiots won't lynch him.
redFF
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February 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#678
i
dont
care
redFF
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February 01 2012 03:29 GMT
#681
null-town

mainly just new and inactive though.
redFF
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February 01 2012 03:29 GMT
#682
anyone wanna discuss the nokill?
redFF
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February 01 2012 03:40 GMT
#684
If i'm scum then vote me jackal.
redFF
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February 01 2012 12:28 GMT
#692
On February 01 2012 12:53 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:09 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote count at time of lynch.

Radfield (6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand

We know at least two of those people were town.
We saw two flip.
There are two more I'm unwilling to lynch.
And the other two seem town, so... (since the replacement, at least).

I'm no longer going to lynch people off that wagon until I have a reason where I really should.

The nokill baffles me.

THE REASON THAT YOU SHOULD IS BECAUSE IT WAS A FUCKING AWFUL WAGON AND I HAVE TOO MUCH FAITH IN THIS COMMUNITY TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ALL TOWN.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 12:29 GMT
#693
On February 01 2012 15:13 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 13:07 Hesmyrr wrote:
There's enough scummy lurkers in this game that one of them has to be scum.
##Vote Scamp
Navillus and Refallen also better contribute today, if you guys slack off because of this vote you'll be unpleasantly surprised.

And the other two seem town, so... (since the replacement, at least)

Seriously, Lanaia?


Rofl

##Vote Hesmyrr

This I don't understand, please explain.


I would be fine with a scamp lynch but I'd prefer a Jackal.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 15:13 GMT
#698
Am i really going to have to make a case?

fuck you all.
redFF
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February 01 2012 15:52 GMT
#701
Dealing with idiocy is hard. Thank you BH.
redFF
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February 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#708
On February 02 2012 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 02:04 Hesmyrr wrote:
Jackal. If you are so certain Refallen is scum, why aren't you voting him, or in fact excluded him on your scum-list?
Also still waiting for your response Refallen.

My scum list was 3 I hadn't voted for. And my vote is going to go on Refallen. redFF seemed to be begging for another vote. Fwiw I don't really see red as scum. I'm just calling him scum to piss him off. Cause that's like a hobby of mine.

Too late bro, when I get home tonight I'm bringing the fire.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 01 2012 23:12 GMT
#716
Spends all of day 1 pushing Radfield on his plan which wasn't scummy. It was an argument about gameplay. Radfield's position regarding his plan was not indicative of alignment but dumb people were sheeping on to the wagon and Jackal jumped at the opportunity to lynch town rad day 1.
On January 27 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 07:55 bumatlarge wrote:
And on that note, it's no where near certain that cwave slipped, he just might have done his homework.

(from last game)
CELL LEADER:
Your entire life has been devoted to running your tiny cell of agents. The time has come to put them into action. You know the names of all other Agents. You always returns "Insufficient Information for Analysis" to investigations. Each night, you will recieve a list of agents and their votes. In the event of a TIE in voting, or if ALL nominations are agents, you may cast tiebreaking vote. In the event of death, flips Cell Leader and a new Cell Leader is chosen by RNG between remaining Agents. You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player. The message is PM'd to both myself and chaoser. We will send it to the player you specify. Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost". Feel free to crumb, just don't put the name (or any form of the name) in there. If all agents are dead, you may choose each kill.


iGrok didn't put this in the OP so it is very possible this role isn't in the game, or at least it functions very differently.

It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did.

##VOTE: Radfield.

Really dude?
This pretty much sums it up. That post is vague as fuck and clearly proves my point.
There was no case.
On January 27 2012 23:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 23:04 Radfield wrote:
Yeah, I think Cwave is a bad lynch right now. I also think Navillus is a poor lynch, his posting doesn't strike me as scummy.

Wigles Wrote: Yes, because mafia can't use abbreviated language unless someone posts a public key, which you did. If you had just posted with the same letters or numbers, then it's no longer a key that can be used to shorten scum communications. Now they just went from only having a binary designation, to having gradations to communicate their reads to their team, which isn't exactly useful for the town.


You're right, and I kinda wish I hadn't posted that. However I doubt it will be particularly useful for mafia. The only reason I posted it in the first place was to try and illustrate my point, which several people thought(and still think!) was just about semantics.

On January 27 2012 09:51 Jackal58 wrote:
It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did.

##VOTE: Radfield.


Can you please point out what you're talking about? I'm worried that you're still talking about this paragraph:


We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.


Do you honestly not understand the point I was trying to make? And where is the so called breadcrumb in this post? And to what effect?

Are you for real? Do you not understand how this game works? Of course you understand how this game works. It is day 1. Scum are clueless until their first messages are sent. I understand exactly what you were saying. But the way you say it is like a fucking beacon. Why did you feel compelled to create new terminology for "town". It makes no fucking sense unless you want to put out a post that is absolutely incapable of being missed by the other agents. You're scum.


And just so there is no misunderstanding I understand exactly what your "plan" (It's not really a plan it's common sense) is doing. No I have no issue with the premise you put forth regarding calling out our town reads. It's the invented terminology you created to do it. It's bullshit. There was no reason for it except to give you an unambiguous means to message your fellow sleeper agents. And trust me. I will not be calling you "not scum" anytime soon. You need to die today.
You're saying Rad came up with his plan to send a message to the other scum? Your case was purely hypothetical with no proof.
Rad's plan could be a way to send a secret code to the other scum!
So could anything anyone ever posts in the game. The case that he created it in order to send other messages to the scum was fucking ridiculous. But hey, rad lynch day 1 is rad lynch day 1 yo.
On January 30 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:
On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?

Why'd you ask this question?


Jackal is probably scum btdubz

Because that changes whether or not they have as yet been able to identify each other. In the first Sleeper cell it required a minimum of 3 days for scum to know who each other were. This set up is much different.

Why didn't you ask this question before voting radfield to help confirm whether your suspicions of him breadcrumbing a code were correct? Oh right because you already know the answer and you asked a dumb question for towncred lolololol.

This was a response to a question regarding whether scum have power roles
On February 02 2012 06:52 Jackal58 wrote:
No idea. Didn't have any in the first Sleeper Cell.

so then why did you vote refallen here?
On January 29 2012 23:17 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 22:15 Refallen wrote:
I voted him because he obviously had some sort of role related reason why he was asking people to vote. And since scum has no special powers, I figured he was a blue and thus I voted him...?

How is that scummy? The fuck?

You know this how????
And I never called nor implied you were scum. I simply asked why.
You have my vote.

##VOTE: Refallen
Given what you just said it's a reasonable assumption to make.
Once again, another shitty reason for a shitty vote.

Refallen is today's "easy lynch" that anyone can sheep onto without looking suspicious in the slightest, and when he flips town(which he probably will) it will be easy to wave away with an "he was scummy and lurking anyway so w/e". Nope.

He didn't vote Bum because he thought Bum was scum (I know I sure did)


Now for Jackal on red,

On January 31 2012 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 09:28 redFF wrote:
Jackal tomorrow.

You'd be better off shooting me tonight scum.

Here is Jackal's first post indicating suspicion of me

here's the first time I call jackal scum (I also mentioned him during night 1)

On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?

Why'd you ask this question?


Jackal is probably scum btdubz

Him on me is pure reasonless OMGUS because he knows I caught him.

His other 2 suspects are Refallen and Lanaia, one of them is a VI mislynch waiting to happen led by Blazingscum who wanted to lynch MZ so bad but has barely mentioned scamp. The other is Lanaia, another easy ml who hasn't done much. He's playing safe and pushing shitty wagons because he know's half of you idiots won't call him out on it.

--

Blazinghand
You never answered this post
On January 30 2012 08:33 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh no wait hold on scratch that redFF is scum making stuff up to save his scumbuddy refallen since I caught them communicating in thread, and everything he said *IS* deceptive and does not accurately characterize my actions this game. How about that

look brah, you said you didn't vote MZ yesterday because it wouldn't have affected anything because it would have been a 1 person wagon.

Now you're voting refallen, a 1 person wagon.



EVERYONE ON JACKAL NOW GOGOGO
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 23:19 GMT
#718
Jackal, BH, Scamp and some lurker
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 23:26 GMT
#720
Voting Radfield, pushing MZ all day 1 then barely mentioning scamp day 2 (probably because he's his scumbuddy) and instead deciding to push the tasty easy mislynch of Refallen day 2 and 3. mmmmmm
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 01 2012 23:27 GMT
#721
Sorry, that was a misrep. Should say "pushing MZ all day 1 then not mentioning scamp at all, ever."
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 00:53 GMT
#725
On February 02 2012 09:25 vaderseven wrote:
Jackal, be useful and respound to that post instead of posting stupidness.

no hes scum ololol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 01:22 GMT
#728
fuck off
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 01:44 GMT
#733
On February 02 2012 08:27 redFF wrote:
Sorry, that was a misrep. Should say "pushing MZ all day 1 then not mentioning scamp at all, ever."


do you deny this?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 02:14 GMT
#740
On February 02 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 10:44 redFF wrote:
On February 02 2012 08:27 redFF wrote:
Sorry, that was a misrep. Should say "pushing MZ all day 1 then not mentioning scamp at all, ever."


do you deny this?


Are you an idiot? I pushed MZ because he was lurking. But he wasn't lurking, he was banned from TL. Therefore, Scamp replaced him. I haven't seriously examined Scamp since then because Refallen is obvious scum and I'm trying to get him lynched.

That's a lie. MZ was around and not banned for the entirety of day 1. He only got banned after night started.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 02:14 GMT
#741
Considering voting BH.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 02:31 GMT
#745
fair enough, guess i missed that.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 02:42 GMT
#747
I thought he replaced out at night since GM posted in this thread at night.

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 02:53 GMT
#749
CLASS IS NOT IMPORTANT READ JACKAL NOW.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 04:13 GMT
#753
GODDAMNIT
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 12:31 GMT
#760
I hate catching scum in games with shitty apathetic townies.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 17:01 GMT
#772
On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation.
##Vote Refallen

What the fuck does this even mean? This is a plurality lynch, there is no way a nolynch can occur. What the fuck is dplitting the vote.

Welcome to my scumlist.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 17:02 GMT
#773
BH is looking a bit better though I still have refallen as null town and think he's a bad lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 17:41 GMT
#775
So vote Jackal!
redFF
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February 02 2012 21:04 GMT
#780
On February 03 2012 03:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 02:41 redFF wrote:
So vote Jackal!

Shhh, you might actually want to read before making further fool of yourself.

What does that mean.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 23:04 GMT
#791
Ggq switch to jackal scamp isn't happening
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#792
Ggq isn't happening. Anyone not on jackal or refallen is scummy.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 01:09 GMT
#801
Alright idiots.

Blazinghand- stop talking and sheep me, you have lost your right to make your own cases.

I gave you guys scum on a platter and you still mislynched :mad:

Considering making a palmar style hitler video
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 01:41 GMT
#804
On February 03 2012 10:18 Lanaia wrote:
Being an ass isn't going to get us to follow you.

Well being correct obviously doesn't work. I gotta try a new approach.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 01:48 GMT
#806
nope
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 01:50 GMT
#807
Jackal I'm obvtown as fuck you don't get to talk to me like that.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 02:19 GMT
#813
On February 03 2012 11:03 Zephirdd wrote:
I have to say, Jackal's rebutal is incredibly convincing and well-thought.

Who here is in favor of lynching one of them, which will make the other confirmed town(in case he flips scum) or scum(in case he flips town)?
Lynch redFF first IMO. Jackal has been giving me town vibes(completely different play than Purgatory).


Before anyone says it, yes I fucking "broke" Radfield's plan because it obviously didn't work out for him.

kills self
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 02:42 GMT
#815
Yeah I'm fine with Scamp but I would prefer Jackal.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 02:45 GMT
#816
scum reads at this stage
most scummy
Jackal58
Scamp
Hesmyrr
Blazinghand
Zephirdd
scummy
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 02:53 GMT
#820
I know Jackal's play.

I also know when he is scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 02:54 GMT
#821
On February 03 2012 11:53 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 11:45 redFF wrote:
scum reads at this stage
most scummy
Jackal58
Scamp
Hesmyrr
Blazinghand
Zephirdd
scummy


ROFL I make the minimalist accusation that you may possibly be scum and you insta-OMGUS me?

overreacting much?

More your shitty jump on the refallen wagon but w/e I don't really care what you think.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 03:30 GMT
#823
pushing bad lynches

Red, you have one person who is not scum on your list.
what does that mean
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 11:47 GMT
#826
On February 03 2012 14:45 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 12:30 redFF wrote:
pushing bad lynches

Red, you have one person who is not scum on your list.
what does that mean


IT MEANS I THINK YOU HAVE ONE NOTSCUM ON YOUR LIST.

What else would it mean, silly?

Ok
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 11:51 GMT
#827
Scamp

Therefore we should focus our efforts on Cwave, Jackal, and Bum. I am confident that at least two of them are scum.

I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information.

What changed to make you say this:
Anyway, I agree in that I don't think Jackal is scum.

and then you switched again
[quote]I used to have no idea what to think of Jackal.[quote]This is a lie because you called him town last time you mentioned him.[quote] However his last post is making me lean scum.[/quote]ok


And now you wanna lynch Cwave or GGQ?

Jackal and Scamp are both acceptable lynches since you guys seem to have a hard on for jackal...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 15:36 GMT
#831
Excellent observational skills
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 18:17 GMT
#836
you're entirely wrong
coming from you

I'm not as confident of a scamp flip as I am of a jackal flip.

jackal should be the lynch.
Scamp is fine tho
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 03 2012 23:25 GMT
#841
On February 04 2012 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:
i think redFF has a custom role with no special powers, but the restriction that he must disagree with me whenever he interacts with me in some way, even if it's trivial

I'm disagreeing with you because you're fucking awful at this game and wrong about everything.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:06 GMT
#865
On February 04 2012 09:49 Lanaia wrote:
Ugh, I really hope scum actually doesn't have any prs.

People I am willing to lynch today:
GGQ
Heymyrr
Zeph
Possibly redff.

There are some neutrals I'd feel better about not lynching today so I don't have them on here.
Vader, do you think he'd be hiding by doing what he's doing if he is scum?

I'm sorry naia but you are playing very badly if you are town.

Welcome to my scumlist.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:10 GMT
#867
Vader, your case on GGQ is that he is lurking? When i have laid out scum jackal on a fucking platter?

[vote]scamp[/vote] since jackal is clearly not happening.

I'm taking no responsibility for this town loss.

GGQ could be scum, but so could zephirdd or you or scamp or cwave or any of the other lurkers in this game.

Why GGQ? You've been tunneling on him day 1. This is the reason town lose games, because you get shitty reads off a day 1 post and don't let up.

Vaderseven has ignored everything in this game not to do with GGQ, and is most likely town.


Naia give me one fucking reason I'm scummy.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:10 GMT
#868
##Vote scamp
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:11 GMT
#869
On February 04 2012 10:08 Lanaia wrote:
People spell my name wrong in real life all the time, even my family. My FAMILY, I tell you!

Oh, and the pronounciations!

That's cool you think that, red.

Can you explain what exactly about that post makes me seem scummy to you?

Your reads are fucking terrible and given without reason.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:17 GMT
#871
can you please respond to what I said.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:20 GMT
#875
WHY IS JACKAL NOT SCUM?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:23 GMT
#878
btw, now speculating on the amount of scum is relevant.

With 11 alive, if we assume 4 scum then that's only 7 town.

mislynch today and scum kill

5 town-4 scum- LYLO

If we assume 5 scum (as bum i think pointed out)
6 town- 5 scum
LYLO today.

So today it is vital we lynch scum. Not a lurker who is null at best.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:23 GMT
#879
On February 04 2012 10:22 Lanaia wrote:
Red, because roleinfo.

Alright I'm not letting you get away with this in a possible LYLO situation.

Claim.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:26 GMT
#881
On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Red, it's 5-5 today.

OH SHIT 10 people alive!?
K, we're either MYLO or LYLO here, and since we can't nolynch, just LYLO.

What makes you automatically think 5 scum Hesmyrr?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:29 GMT
#888
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#889
Bum said this
On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.

he said 4-5, not a definite number.

Hesmyrr please point me to where lanaia or cwave commented on amount of scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#890
On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...

I'm actually thinking you botched a fakeclaim here up :/

Explain why you checked who you checked.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:37 GMT
#894
On February 04 2012 10:34 Lanaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...


Received the results when I got the result of my night one action.
The psychological test is referred to in the OP in the intelligence agent sample role PM.

I crumbed throughout the game if you'd like me to go back and quote it all for you.

Why do you thin igrok chose to tell cops their sanities?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:38 GMT
#896
On February 04 2012 10:38 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:34 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said the original meta, which is the previous game. When everyone said the information from previous game was acceptable, I think most thought of 5 instead of 4. Also, the main focus of bumatlarge scum-tell was that he said "Leaning 5". Do not twist words here.


He's not twisting anything, bro. You said it was 5-5 with complete certainty.

this

thinking 2 caught scum 1 page
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#898
hurry up up
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:42 GMT
#901
On February 04 2012 10:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
LOL. If you seriously prioritize "scum-tell" over scuminess I'll be sad. Note how GGQ immediately jumped in here with accusation against me the moment he got something to throw against me?

I think you've been scummy too.

This is an overreaction.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:44 GMT
#904
You said it like you knew there were 5 scum though.

What does the previous game have to do with anything. This is a new game with a new setup.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:45 GMT
#907
Stop redirecting to GGQ this is your mess.

I saw the scummy post, so did GGQ...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:48 GMT
#909
answer the rest of my questions please up.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:49 GMT
#910
I think it's weird you only managed to hit town with your inspects.

Meh this is annoying.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:50 GMT
#912
was talking to naia sorry.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:55 GMT
#916
On February 04 2012 10:50 Lanaia wrote:
Seriously? The one time I don't check my preview this game.

And yeah, that was an overreaction on hesmyrr's part.
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:37 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:34 Lanaia wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...


Received the results when I got the result of my night one action.
The psychological test is referred to in the OP in the intelligence agent sample role PM.

I crumbed throughout the game if you'd like me to go back and quote it all for you.

Why do you thin igrok chose to tell cops their sanities?

I have no idea. Would I really hit three people who have been framed/are gfs on three consecutive nights, though?

I never suggested you hit frames or gfs.

Honestly telling cops their sanity seems to defeat the purpose of cop sanities no?

Explain why you checked who you checked.
also this

--
Hessmyrr sorry if you pointed this out already but
Hesmyrr please point me to where lanaia or cwave commented on amount of scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 01:55 GMT
#917
On February 04 2012 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Whatever, I think we can still agree Scamp and GGQ needs to be lynched today.

doesn't fly.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:01 GMT
#921
On February 04 2012 11:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:34 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:29 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:26 Lanaia wrote:
Intelligence agent, my sanity test came back sane. Each night I inspected the person who either I thought was most scummy or town seemed to think was most scummy.
Night one, Blazinghand.
Night two, CWave.
Night three, Jackal.

They were all either green or blue.
I won't attribute who was what to protect a fellow blue.

What does sanity test mean, when did you receive the results of it.

I wouldn't naturally assume that cop's were told their sanity, as it defeats the point of cop sanities...

I'm actually thinking you botched a fakeclaim here up :/

Explain why you checked who you checked.


lanaia actually already claimed detective earlier in this thread, and also claimed that I was not town.

where
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:01 GMT
#924
On February 04 2012 11:00 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:55 redFF wrote:
On February 04 2012 10:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
Whatever, I think we can still agree Scamp and GGQ needs to be lynched today.

doesn't fly.

Once again, weigh my scum-tell against ISO of these guys and see which one is the better lynch.

I think you're scummier than GGQ, you're about level with scamp though.

What do you think of the lanaia claim?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:09 GMT
#934
On February 04 2012 11:06 Hesmyrr wrote:
Quickly looked over her posts, her behaviour seems consistent and nobody counter-claimed her so I don't know why you are being skeptical. At least, I am sure if Scamp comes up with a counter-claim it will be obvious who is lying.

why does there have to be only 1 cop?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#935
On February 04 2012 11:09 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 11:06 Hesmyrr wrote:
Quickly looked over her posts, her behaviour seems consistent and nobody counter-claimed her so I don't know why you are being skeptical. At least, I am sure if Scamp comes up with a counter-claim it will be obvious who is lying.

why does there have to be only 1 cop?

This looks like rolefishing bro.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#942
Meh
I believe lanaia's claim, doesn't mean we can't count out gfs. THey are common on tl.
Zephirdd what makes you think anyone was sceptical.
Zephirdd why are you ok with a GGQ lynch?

Updated scumlist
scum
hesmyrr/scamp (still deciding must read)
zephirdd
Jackal
GGQ
vader
BH
cwave
lanaia
town

only willing to lynch hesmyrr or scamp at this stage tbh

Naia If you could I wouldn't mind a check on vader/ggq tonight.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:29 GMT
#945
On February 04 2012 11:28 Blazinghand wrote:
redFF's scumlist: everyone who's not redFF

what
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:34 GMT
#949
-_______________________-
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:37 GMT
#951
Lanaia do you think a doc protecting you is the reason for a nokill?
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:37 GMT
#952
I also need someone to vote me today, if you have a townread on me it's important just vote and unvote.
redFF
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February 04 2012 02:38 GMT
#954
nope
redFF
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February 04 2012 02:41 GMT
#956
isn't it the norm on tl to be messaged if a doc saves you?
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:43 GMT
#958
MEUH
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:46 GMT
#960
what does that have to do with a nokill and a possible medic protect?
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 02:47 GMT
#962
what the fuck is the point in sanities if you are told them.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 03:31 GMT
#966
somebody please vote and unvote me
redFF
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February 04 2012 03:32 GMT
#967
what do you think of naia's claim vader?
redFF
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February 04 2012 04:02 GMT
#969
thanks
redFF
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February 04 2012 04:29 GMT
#974
On February 04 2012 13:16 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 12:32 redFF wrote:
what do you think of naia's claim vader?


I think its legit. Why do you think otherwise?

i do?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 04:47 GMT
#976
YOU REALLY STILL WANNA LYNCH GGQ? IN LYLO? WITH ALL THE OTHER SCUMMY PEOPLE?
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 05:16 GMT
#978
what's that supposed to mean.

They are

Scamp/hesmyrr
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 05:25 GMT
#980
have you erm...read the last 5 pages of the thread.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 05:33 GMT
#982
You can yank my chain anytime you like.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 05:39 GMT
#984
ewww
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#999
people checked by a cop are not confirmed. I thin the chance of a gf in this game is reasonably high.

I think we should lynch scamp as I'm almost positive he'll flip scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 20:22 GMT
#1001
GGQ is not happening today.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 04 2012 21:07 GMT
#1003
sup ggq?
redFF
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February 05 2012 17:36 GMT
#1023
I think a GGQ or vader check would be good.
redFF
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February 05 2012 17:43 GMT
#1024
On February 03 2012 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
You know what, I'll move my vote to Refallen right now. We cannot afford splitting the vote in this situation.
##Vote Refallen

This was scummy as fuck.

On February 03 2012 02:08 Hesmyrr wrote:
7-5 situation when there is less than nine hours left = splitting the vote between several candidates = begging for scum to quick vote third candidate into lead.

This was his justification for switching from Scamp to refallen, but it makes no sense. Scamp would be the third candidate in this situation, but if he was scum why would scum quickvote him into the lead? Why would that be bad if they did that?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 08 2012 00:38 GMT
#1093
Whatsup yo.

Vader, if you think I'm scum, why did you vote and unvote me? lol

On February 08 2012 03:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
Why don't you kill me and find out
Jesus Christ this town.

Dat obvscum
If you actually are town I will be kicking myself for not policy lynching you.

On February 08 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote:
So, we go the same way as scamp and all-vote hesmyrr?

##Vote Hesmyrr

what's your read on hesmyrr?

Zephirdd is tomorrow's lynch in case anyone is wondering.
On February 08 2012 04:24 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:58 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote: Hesmyrr


Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
Why don't you kill me and find out
Jesus Christ this town.


Da Fuck?

I was at a lose as to how to approach today as it is lylo or lylo -1 at best (4 or 5 scum... I can't see 3 scum in this setup especially after looking at the sleeper cell 1 setip) and noone has really listened to me even though I made it VERY CLEAR that voting GGQ is the ez choice for nailing scum.

You just made it easier I think.

You litterally aren't allowed to 'ruin the game' which I think self voting as town would do.

Show nested quote +
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
...
2. Ruining the game
...


There is no hammer in this game so there is no reason for me to hold my vote while you come to your senses. You are either claiming scum or trying to set the town up to lose on purpose.

##vote Hesmyrr
Tunnels GGQ for 4 straight days, hops off to scummyr for dat ez towncred. If I was as sure of a read as you seem to be and it was LYLO I wouldn't be hopping off my no1 scumread so easily. How come you felt the need to post such a drawn out justification of your vote on obvscum hesmyrr?
If you grow up and decide to try to play the game out do let us know because I would love to see how this all plays out without someone emo quiting at this point.

>=/

I mean really, we have all invested time (some of us got sick enough that we thought death was possible during the game and still played it out... just sayin) and its just not fair no matter the team you are on to pull this stunt.

I also tend to find it is scum players that pull this kind of stunt. Especially this late in the game.

If Hesmyrr is scum like he pretty much just confirmed he is, that means RedFF has some explaining to do. I am fairly sure that means you are scum. Explain this vote / unvote thing please. At this point, it isn't a matter timing it is a matter of you are pretty much confirmed scum and you have been shady about something in the thread. Now I have to call you on that and find out whats up.
Lol @ this attempt to set up a redff mislynch in a couple days. Sorry bro I can 100% guarantee that that will not happen,
How does Hesmyrr's scum flip make me scum? Any associative tells or is it simply because I'm the only one you think you have a chance at mislynching(you don't)

Tomorrow zeph, the day after V7.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 08 2012 03:11 GMT
#1095
after vader, but I doubt it will get to that point
redFF
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February 08 2012 04:40 GMT
#1097
I dunno
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 08 2012 12:21 GMT
#1102
On February 08 2012 14:07 vaderseven wrote:
Red, Im reacting to the reads given by our dead DT and idea of 4 scum.
What does this mean, did our dead dt have a scumread on me?

If I have to scream till Im blue in the face that GGQ is scum I will but at this point no one seems to give a flying fuck.
Maybe that's a hint that your case is bad.

I am very willing to move on to self voters in situations where apathetic town would just go afk instead of putting on the drama.

Notice how I have mentioned that GGQ is obv scum like every other post for fucking ever.

Notice how no one cares?
Maybe that's a hint that he's not obvious scum.

Would you keep that pressure on for that long when there is other scummy as fucks around?

But lol at you posting that me talking about anything else makes me scummy ;D
Blatant misrep that's not what I said.

I mean, jeez, its not like the guy didn't ask for it. He self voted and emo quit the game during my lunch break.

You've essentially set up a 1v1 between GGQ and yourself, something which we will have to deal with in a couple of days that I'm not looking forward to. -_-

I had you as a decently town read before today too.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 08 2012 13:33 GMT
#1103
Jackal I'd love for you to do some scumhunting for the first time this entire game now that you're at least semi-confirmed.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 08 2012 14:18 GMT
#1105
both of them were town lol..
redFF
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February 08 2012 14:19 GMT
#1106
oh you're using that as an argument to not contribute, fair enough.
redFF
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February 08 2012 21:05 GMT
#1111
Zeph tomorrow, then well decide between ggq and v7
redFF
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February 09 2012 01:00 GMT
#1123
On February 09 2012 06:22 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 06:05 redFF wrote:
Zeph tomorrow, then well decide between ggq and v7


and that leaves you out of it. How convenient.

now scummier than v7, still thinking though
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 01:00 GMT
#1124
On February 09 2012 09:10 Zephirdd wrote:
Expected shit is expected. btw red don't worry, by tomorrow I'll be raping your scummy ass.

haha yeah ok bro
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 01:00 GMT
#1125
On February 09 2012 09:11 Jackal58 wrote:
Doing vote analysis. Be back shortly.

looking forward to it.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 01:05 GMT
#1126
Radfield, The Inception Agent, Was Lynched!

Vote count at time of lynch.

Radfield (6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand

Navillus (1): RedFF

Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr

Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven


this is the first votecount without taking reads into account and only using flips

Very disappointed that the rad wagon looks like it was mainly town driven. both zeph and v7 are on naia, while GGQ is on Bum with hes.

this is hard.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 01:06 GMT
#1127
that isn't realy useful considering scum didn't know shit day 1.

regardless, I'll let jackal do the rest, do them in this formate plz.
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 01:08 GMT
#1128
I'd much prefer to lynch zeph over ggq because I think v7 could be screwing us around and it just isn't worth the risk when we have obvscum in zeph to lynch/
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 01:14 GMT
#1129
MAKE A CASE ON ME ZEPH

DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
DO IT
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 02:47 GMT
#1134
On February 09 2012 10:37 Zephirdd wrote:
btw before anything, red, who is the scum team again?

I mean of course from your fake town POV, like, who do you think are the scum players? Don't give me a tier list, give me the whole team.

you, one of ggq/v7(possibly both)

I've been incredibly clear about this.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 02:50 GMT
#1135
I keep leaning v7 then leaning ggq then leaning v7 -_-
redFF
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February 09 2012 02:59 GMT
#1136
On February 03 2012 06:57 GreYMisT wrote:
Vote Count!

Refallen (6): Blazinghand, Lanaia, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Scamp, GGQ

Jackal58 (1): RedFF

Hesmyrr (1): Refallen

RedFF (1): Jackal58

GGQ (2): vaderseven, Cwave

Jackal58 (1): Navillus


The Day ends in about 2 hours!

look at dem scum hopping on refallen's wagon after lanaia mmm

Refallen, The Honest Citizen, was wrongly imprisoned!

Final Vote Count!

Refallen (5): Blazinghand, Lanaia, Zephirdd, Hesmyrr, Scamp

Scamp (1): GGQ

Jackal58 (3): RedFF, Navillus, Refallen

RedFF (1): Jackal58

GGQ (2): vaderseven, Cwave





It is now Night 4! please submit all your crap to me and iGrok. the Night ends in 24 hours, on Saturday, Feb 04 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
It is worth noting that GGQ was not on refallen's wagon when the lynch occured, that looks like trying to get off the town lynch for town cred though.

Thinking about it the only reason that I think v7 could be scummier than ggq is because he kinda came out all guns blazing at me at the start of today, so yeah.

Probably wanna lynch GGQ but zeph first regardless.

Those quoted votecounts reaffirm my zeph read.

I'm not colouring the cop checks because i really don't think they've acted that town and i'm terrified that one of them is scum :S

not much i can do about that now though zzz


EUGH
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 03:35 GMT
#1139
On February 09 2012 12:24 Zephirdd wrote:
So, you are saying that, right now, there are two scum alive, is that correct?

If is that so, why did you opt to lynch Hesmyrr, if his "scumslip" was not a scumslip, as in, he was wrong when he said we have five scum alive?
On February 09 2012 11:47 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 10:37 Zephirdd wrote:
btw before anything, red, who is the scum team again?

I mean of course from your fake town POV, like, who do you think are the scum players? Don't give me a tier list, give me the whole team.

you, one of ggq/v7(possibly both)

I've been incredibly clear about this.


What is the difference of that Hesmyrr "post slip" and a "pre slip" Hesmyrr?
Does it matter? He's lynched and he was scum. That's actually a fair point though, so yeah its prob most of them.

How come you have miraculously been away from every mislynch but the bum lynch, yet you have always been parking your votes on town all this time, red(assuming Lanaia's checks are accurate, ofc)?
I don't know, bad reads? Meh i explained all my reads this game. How come your vote was on the cop day 1? How come you were on the bum and refallen mislynches? See those questions are stupid and pointless. You are twisting null at best things to be scummy. Misrepmisrepmisrepmisrep blahblahblah


And finally, why have all of your votes parked on town under retarded reasoning(besides bum who was scum as fuck)?
I'm talking about this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&currentpage=8#145

That was literally the third page of day 1 you idiot. Still it's more than you've done this whole game.
Or your multiple "JACKAL IS SCUM JUST LYNCH HIM" posts where you even complained about playing the game(making a case about him).
is that scummy?
AND when you finally give him a case, it's basically 'LOL HE OMGUS ME'
false misrep again, but that seems par for the course for you.

And finally, red, how the fuck are you still alive when you have basically claimed blue with your VOTEMEGUYS?
Only you and your homeboys know the answer to that one.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 03:36 GMT
#1140
EBWOP: Prob both of them
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 03:42 GMT
#1141
On February 03 2012 11:03 Zephirdd wrote:
I have to say, Jackal's rebutal is incredibly convincing and well-thought.

Who here is in favor of lynching one of them, which will make the other confirmed town(in case he flips scum) or scum(in case he flips town)?
Lynch redFF first IMO. Jackal has been giving me town vibes(completely different play than Purgatory).


Before anyone says it, yes I fucking "broke" Radfield's plan because it obviously didn't work out for him.

LOLOLOL THIS POST
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 03:47 GMT
#1142
jackal you gonna start your ug game any time soon?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 04:08 GMT
#1145
On February 09 2012 12:54 vaderseven wrote:
When EXACTLY will the day start?

what an odd thing to ask
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 09 2012 05:13 GMT
#1148
why in christ's name would you die
redFF
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February 09 2012 05:24 GMT
#1150
BH since you are quite likely to die who is scum.
redFF
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February 09 2012 05:24 GMT
#1151
I am not looking forward to being in a game with just cwave/zeph/ggq/v7
redFF
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February 09 2012 14:29 GMT
#1157
On February 09 2012 15:31 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 14:13 redFF wrote:
why in christ's name would you die


God what possible purpose does your question serve man? I feel like you read every post of mine lately with the preconceived notion that I am scum and justify your conclusions from that point on.

Assume im town and posted that. Why would a town player post that and then answer the question you posted? Get my point?

You're confirmed scum if Hesmyrr's slip was genuine :/
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 14:29 GMT
#1158
On February 09 2012 17:24 Cwave wrote:
As stated before, we deal with you 3(Zeph,V7,RED) in the end.
GGQ has to die a horrible death @ the lynch tomorrow.

Redff, don't be so cocky when you get yourself temp-banned midgame.

what does me getting banned have to do with anything?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 09 2012 16:09 GMT
#1160
I never said ggq was town. I'm just more sure of zeph.
redFF
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February 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#1164
im fine with a ggq lynch but i'd prefer zeph
redFF
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February 10 2012 00:35 GMT
#1210
dying of laughter at zeph
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 00:38 GMT
#1213
It's called AtE or Appeal to Emotion.
redFF
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February 10 2012 01:44 GMT
#1224
well screw jackal for not claiming.
redFF
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February 10 2012 01:45 GMT
#1226
what is a senator.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#1228
how do you know this.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 02:01 GMT
#1231
tl mafia has been known to use different names for different roles then ms.net.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 02:03 GMT
#1233
i have no idea
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 02:13 GMT
#1235
zeph
1. im not being lynched today
2. you just voted me when i've specifically asked people to vote me all game, and you have a scumread on me.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 16:01 GMT
#1257
I don't really have a strong read on you one way or the other. I think you are tunneling and aggressive and might be suffering from confirmation bias on and off this whole game but I don't really have anything in my notes that says anything more than that. When I applied light pressure to you yesterday you just went into a tunnel-ish (though much shorter lived than say your tunnel on jackal) confirmation bias-ish omgus.

You're saying I'm tunneling when you've been on GGQ since day 2. Do you know what tunneling is? Suspecting someone is not tunneling.

Now v7's shitty stupid claim means i have to fucking claim doesn't it.

I'm a ctu agent
my flavor says some shit about how i'm jack bauer stone cold badass etc
anyway I'm action and kill immune at night

On January 26 2012 14:06 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 13:53 Navillus wrote:
RedFF I really would like to hear an actual reason that Rad's plan is bad, the best you've come up with seems to be "it's convoluted", which well, I honestly don't see a single confusing part of it, scummy = scummy not scum = the opposite, he's not using like new terminology, and that "not scum" is more letters than "town", which I'm going to assume was not a real argument. Insofar as neither of those are particularly convincing and I think that you're smart enough to realize that I'd really like to know why you actually don't want this to happen, it seems to have clear benefits to the town that have been outlined, do you have a problem with that?

I don't like this last line. You're suggesting I'm scummy without voting me or explicitly saying I'm scummy.
You're scum and you're time is running out baby.

dat crumb
Tick, tick, tick, tick on the watch
And life's too short for me to stop
Oh baby, your time is running out
the above are lyrics from the song bulletproof by la roux :p

Also i'm like 90% sure i'm responsible for the nokill on n2. If zeph/ggq have half a braincell between them one of them will probably claim medic as it's the only way to unconfirm me and try to push me as a scum ascetic.

but it won't work.

As for the voting thing if any town players actually doubt my townieness id be more than happy to explain but otherwise i'd like to save it until post game discussion.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 16:01 GMT
#1258
you shouldn't have claimed v7
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 16:02 GMT
#1259
you also shouldn't have checked hesmyrr that was dumb.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 16:33 GMT
#1266
meh im probably not going to tell you, so its up to you to decide if im bsing everything and zeph is town or im town and hes scum.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 17:16 GMT
#1277
v7 could be a scum rolecop of some sort doing some bussing of sexyness but i doubt that. If we lynch ggq and zeph and the game isn't over then we will have to look over stuff more carefully.

If 2 cops is true then it's highly likely there's a gf in this game.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 17:16 GMT
#1278
like bh or cwave
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 17:17 GMT
#1280
and im not semi confirmed im confirmed unless you can find another way to explain the nokill n2.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 18:02 GMT
#1290
of course they thought i was blue i requested a vote on me day 2.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 18:03 GMT
#1291
On February 11 2012 02:24 Zephirdd wrote:
Assume that scum PRs exist. It's not impossible to think that red is a nightaction-proof scum, considering the inception agent(Radfield) could be a KP role.

redFF himself said that godfather was a possibility in a way to discredit Lanaia's checks. It's not impossible either that, with limited communication, scum shot red when he first said "HEY GUYS VOTEMEPLZ" even if he was scum. See GGQ on Sleeper Cell 1(who actually died).

Explains V7 null check.
Explains night 2 no-kill.
Explains balanced setup(so many blues, scum gotta have a PR).

herpderp lynch red

I'm in for the 24/24 cycle

lol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 18:13 GMT
#1293
because i've specifically requested votes before.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 10 2012 19:45 GMT
#1304
why did you scan hes...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 10 2012 22:35 GMT
#1320
On February 11 2012 06:05 GGQ wrote:
worst blue claim ever

i agree
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 12 2012 00:38 GMT
#1333
On February 11 2012 09:21 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
I guess my basic question is "do you think redFF is a blueproof scum and/or he is somehow colluding with V7" and "if so, why is that simpler than redFF being a bulletproof townie and cwave being a godfather, assuming you're innocent?"


lol ninja post

I hadn't thought about cwave. I was basically focused on redFF mainly from his insta-OMGUS on me and Lanaia.

i didn't omgus you and lanaia never accused me
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 12 2012 00:44 GMT
#1336
alright vader check zeph

you will die tonight because zeph can't have a scum check on him and if im scum i cant be having you get a town check on zeph.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 12 2012 00:45 GMT
#1338
still mad you checked hes
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 12 2012 00:47 GMT
#1339
vader when were you informed of your sanity and why didn't you check anyone n2?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 12 2012 16:54 GMT
#1345
On February 12 2012 22:34 Zephirdd wrote:
hmmm what are the chances that a town is a miller in this setup?

it's not common for millers to know that they are millers

LOL
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 12 2012 16:56 GMT
#1346
goddamnit v7 this claim was one of the worst pieces of mafia play i've ever seen on this site.

We had 2 "confirmed townies" who needed to be killed, only confirmed through cop checks. Your claim has given a reason to leave them both alive to scum and let the WIFOM brew.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 12 2012 19:17 GMT
#1351
but hes bad sooo
redFF
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February 12 2012 20:21 GMT
#1358
we'll dead with that if it happens.
redFF
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February 12 2012 20:21 GMT
#1359
*deal
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 12 2012 21:57 GMT
#1364
im scared about bh/cwave and one of you could be scum but the most likely thing is that we will lynch zeph and win.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:02 GMT
#1366
IGROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:09 GMT
#1368
so erm lets hear v7s check
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:13 GMT
#1369
sigh its probably 2 scum alive and its vader/zeph

[vote]vader[/vote]

cwave you have to be here and vote vader fast so we can hit majority before they do on you or me.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:15 GMT
#1370
I just can't fathom zeph lone scum that wouldn't kill vader
cwave gf wouldn't but i don't think this game has gfs
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:16 GMT
#1371
it would make sense to have a gf if vader is telling the truth about his claim
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:16 GMT
#1372
FUUUUUUUUUUCK
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:18 GMT
#1373
##vote zeph
do this instead cwave its the better option

unless vader has a red check on zeph and zeph is just retarded.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 00:19 GMT
#1374
On February 12 2012 22:34 Zephirdd wrote:
hmmm what are the chances that a town is a miller in this setup?

it's not common for millers to know that they are millers

im not sure if this is town preparing for the possibility of being red checked and paranoid or just scum
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 01:33 GMT
#1382
LOL WHY DID YOU NOT KILL HIM
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#1383
inb4 both zeph and vader are scum
redFF
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February 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#1385
inb4 vader could just vote me and win
redFF
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February 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#1386
it can't be 5 scum or the game would have been over like 4 days ago
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 01:35 GMT
#1387
so i guess erm gg?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 13 2012 02:28 GMT
#1391
you just threw the game away for your team and will be a policy lynch in any game i ever play with you again
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 03:17 GMT
#1392
just a note
everyone in this game except rad and myself played terribly
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 13 2012 03:32 GMT
#1394
what was that hesmyrr? I COULDN'T HEAR OVER THE SOUND OF YOUR TEARS.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 14 2012 00:21 GMT
#1404
cock, gg whichever one of you it is

bg rest of town fuck you all i lead 4 straight scum lynches but you fucked us up too much early on
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 00:32 GMT
#1405
igrok you have actually left us playing in a nigh unwinnable situation for 4 days
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 14 2012 01:14 GMT
#1408
if its just scum shooting themselves trololol then i will be so mad
redFF
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February 14 2012 02:00 GMT
#1411
just end the night please igrok if all actions have been submitted.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#1443
On February 14 2012 11:22 iGrok wrote:
Why the game went so long:

As the endgame approached, a rather unique situation developed. After talking with several notable mafia veterans, we decided that ending in a draw was the only fair result if it got down to a Red vs Vadar scenario. Below is why:

[2/12/2012 5:31:57 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first, vadar gets lynched
[2/12/2012 5:32:06 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if vadar votes first, red gets lynched
[2/12/2012 5:32:18 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: if red votes first and vadar doesn't vote, red dies (becuase thats his role)
[2/12/2012 5:32:21 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: it'll be 2 alive
[2/12/2012 5:32:42 PM] Jack "iGrok" Dickerson: so its possible for town win, mafia win, or draw


But, if the vadar did not kill at night, it would be 3 players, and if red was lynched, scum would win. Therefore, the only good solution was to wait for tonight's kill, and then declare the draw if it was vadar and red.

this is insanely retarded
redFF
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United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:44 GMT
#1445
if scum killed every night there was no way of town winning after day like 5
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:45 GMT
#1446
fuck you for wasting my time with this shit, win-con should always be scum outnumber or equal town
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:47 GMT
#1447
btw my role was this dumb thing where i had to be voted once every day or i would be modkilled

so that's why i had to ask for votes
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:52 GMT
#1449
biggest fucking waste of time
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:54 GMT
#1455
bullshit
i knew who every scum was day 4 and i was town
if scum knew numbers which i assume they did, they coulda just sheeped one obvscum on to a town wagon
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:57 GMT
#1457
LITERALLY 30 PAGES OF POINTLESSNESS
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:58 GMT
#1458
if you actually thought i was scum zeph i dont know what to say
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 02:58 GMT
#1459
can we get some people who aren't pants on head retarded to come agree with me
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:04 GMT
#1465
On February 14 2012 12:01 Blazinghand wrote:
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On February 14 2012 11:58 redFF wrote:
can we get some people who aren't pants on head retarded to come agree with me


I think it should have been reasonably clear with some analysis that V7's claim had holes in it (navillius and n2 no-check, as well as the fact that he had to respost it, just off hand), and he was scum, not you.

but it was zeph, v7 myself and cwave how can town win from that
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:06 GMT
#1468
idiots, all of you
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:07 GMT
#1470
IT WAS 5-5 ON DAY 4 AND THE GAME LASTED FOR 5 MORE DAYS
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:07 GMT
#1471
JESUS CHRIST
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:08 GMT
#1475
On February 14 2012 12:07 Jackal58 wrote:
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On February 14 2012 09:21 redFF wrote:
cock, gg whichever one of you it is

bg rest of town fuck you all i lead 4 straight scum lynches but you fucked us up too much early on

You probably shouldn't have spent half the game calling me scum.

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On February 13 2012 09:51 GreYMisT wrote:
On February 13 2012 09:50 Jackal58 wrote:
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Regardless of which side wins or loses in the coming days, you now win the game jackal.

Congratulations

Plus I don't care. Mod win ftmfw!!!!!!

meh i thought you were scummy, you had an inno check though and it's not like i could have pushed another lynch through the retardedness of the refallen and rad lynches.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:09 GMT
#1476
On February 14 2012 12:08 Blazinghand wrote:
;_; hey man a lot of things went wrong for town but overall I think you and I managed to pull things together a bit as we pushed towards the end. I think Lanaia soft-claimed too early, and when she did claim Jackal shouldn't have tried to confirm her claim by throwing away an extra town vote, etc, but this was an exciting and exhilarating game. Would play again.

Also, I'm sorry for the poopey mouth remark.

we had all 5 scum practically confirmed, we didn't pull anything together
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:09 GMT
#1478
refallen voting me as soon as i asked was also a massive town tell, couldn't point it out then though because i was trying to look blue
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:10 GMT
#1479
On February 14 2012 12:09 Blazinghand wrote:
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On February 14 2012 12:09 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:08 Blazinghand wrote:
;_; hey man a lot of things went wrong for town but overall I think you and I managed to pull things together a bit as we pushed towards the end. I think Lanaia soft-claimed too early, and when she did claim Jackal shouldn't have tried to confirm her claim by throwing away an extra town vote, etc, but this was an exciting and exhilarating game. Would play again.

Also, I'm sorry for the poopey mouth remark.

we had all 5 scum practically confirmed, we didn't pull anything together


;_; we got a draw... and we almost got a win!

no we didn't almost get a win
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:10 GMT
#1480
i'm just pissed that i put a shit ton of effort into this when we COULDN'T have won after day 4, barring scum idiocy to the max. lesson learned about not making idiotic wincons though i hope.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:16 GMT
#1487
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:17 GMT
#1491
On February 14 2012 12:12 vaderseven wrote:
All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible.

this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#1496
On February 14 2012 12:18 GreYMisT wrote:
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On February 14 2012 12:16 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this


And with jackal alive he could have said "nope" and changed all votes to a scum player.

Also you seem to have ignored what iGrok had said. the scum cannot communicate with each other during the day or night. therefore we cannot be sure they are capable of a mass vote switch.

...
START OF DAY
HESMYRR: SUP GUYZ LOL ##VOTE RED
REST OF SCUM: OK HES ##VOTE RED

did jackal's dayvig end the day? if yes then no change from
5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#1499
On February 14 2012 12:20 Zephirdd wrote:
btw he is right, the only way town could've won is if scum derped at night and killed another scum/no-killed/tried to hit red again.

THIS
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:22 GMT
#1505
yeah shut up greymist
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#1507
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:27:09
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#1511
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#1516
On February 14 2012 12:29 GreYMisT wrote:
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On February 14 2012 12:27 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it


but the game was winable, in fact you almost won. if vader shot you or held your shot you win. If vader shot cwave and you voted him first then you win. we decided to call the game a draw because that senario where whoever posts "Vote" first wins is bad. but the point is that we cannot predict what scum are going to do unless they actually do itl.

YES IT IS BAD

SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL IT A SCUM WIN 5 DAYS AGO

LOL IF SCUM DON'T SHOOT
LOL IF SCUM SHOT THE CLAIMED BULLETPROOF
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#1517
On February 14 2012 12:31 vaderseven wrote:
Red are you saying they should over turn the tie and mark town as the loser? You DID just get out of a lose you know. I had the vote timing down to im pretty sure the half second to line up to the day post so if they hadn't just ended the game like that I would have voted you before you could vote me. It was a pretty for sure scum win.

just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE.

i don't give a shit about the result i give a shit about bad mods wasting peoples time
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:07 GMT
#1520
posting in the thread
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#1522
On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote:
posting in the thread

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:55 GMT
#1523
I'll admit that i was angry and venting, but the fact that you warned me after the game was over and after how this panned out and even posted in the banlist about me has really pissed me off.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#1549
I'm sorry for blowing up like that.



I think if you just had a normal wincon for the scum ie The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening, then this would have been an excellent setup.

On February 14 2012 23:52 Palmar wrote:
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On February 14 2012 23:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.

It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future.


Of course, but this happens in mafia. It's perfectly fine to criticize the setup. I agree that the setup needs to be looked at to prevent a situation like this from happening again.

We're really discussing three different things.

1) Does the setup need to be looked at? My opinion is yes. It needs to be somehow tweaked to prevent this situation.
2) Given the circumstances did iGrok handle it correctly? My opinion is yes. I think that the calls he made were correct. The situation was kinda shitty, but he made the best of it.
But the issue should have never come about in the first place right?
3) Is it okay to be mad about it? My opinion is yes. But it's not okay to throw abuse around or ask to never allow iGrok to host again. If you don't agree with something, you criticize it, and perhaps even offer a solution. Don't just throw a tantrum.

I offered a solution.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1551
On February 14 2012 12:26 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:23 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though

I was basically a day vig. I almost lynched you day 3 just to make you stfu.

no you weren't
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1552
On February 14 2012 12:22 GreYMisT wrote:
You once again assume that all scum know each other and they are able to perfectly coordinate their kills without shooting you. its possible, but we can't just ask all the players if they know who all their scummates are.

Then that's an issue with the setup that should have been fixed before the game began.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:08 GMT
#1555
so then it's not a dayvig
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:41 GMT
#1558
On February 15 2012 06:37 vaderseven wrote:
Some groups play the day vig role where the day instantly ends without a lynch when the day vig shoots. The role is super similae if you are thinking of that kind of day vig.

A day vig is an extra town kp.

This thing just ends the day early, town still loses a lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:48 GMT
#1560
i know what it does lol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#1562
I know dayvig as a role that shoots during the day, the person dies, and the day continues. I think that's how it's done in most places.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 22:56 GMT
#1564
The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening
problem solved
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 23:01 GMT
#1567
that would not work because if town kill role shoots mafia and mafia shoot town
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 23:02 GMT
#1568
On February 15 2012 08:01 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 07:56 redFF wrote:
The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening
problem solved

I hate that solution though, because it takes away from the special mechanics.

In Sleeper Cell 1, there was a Cell leader who knew all the names of every agent. Ace was too boss for this to happen, but there was a mechanic that said if the cell leader dies, a new random member is chosen cell leader. I might have to go back to this form, which allows scum to claim in an endgame scenario.

why do you need a cell leader
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 23:05 GMT
#1570
On February 15 2012 08:03 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 08:01 redFF wrote:
that would not work because if town kill role shoots mafia and mafia shoot town

So, mafia wins if they outnumber town and town has no killing roles remaining, or not enough kp to overcome the deficit.

That work?

Cell leader lets scum claim because there is a list of all scum remaining in the game.

no that's too complicated.

just go with what i said i don't see an issue with it and it doesn't lead to silly endgame situations like we had.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 23:22 GMT
#1576
On February 15 2012 08:09 iGrok wrote:
If there are 2 scum and 2 vigis, you want to end it mafia victory?

...
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 15 2012 16:50 GMT
#1581
Yeah you should never base a setup around one role because that role will always end up dead night 1.
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