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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote:
1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today. wtf dude get over here and vote him.
Navillus: Yeah man I don't vote him because he wasn't being voted for
dude if everyone thought like you nobody would ever get lynched
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote:
1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today.
On January 28 2012 08:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however.
WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE SO FAR. We need two more
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As you said, it will end up a tie with radfield getting the votes first, though if we can get 5 people who will agree to vote MZ BEFORE anyone votes with more than 5 minutes left I say we all switch, otherwise you should switch to bum.
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On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here.
Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum?
Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1?
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
If we can't scrounge up the votes in the next 10 minutes I'm gonna move my vote off of MZ but I'd really rather lynch MZ today and apparently so would at least two of you but for some reason nobody wants to vote him. What the dicks is this shit
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:44 Navillus wrote:
As you said, it will end up a tie with radfield getting the votes first, though if we can get 5 people who will agree to vote MZ BEFORE anyone votes with more than 5 minutes left I say we all switch, otherwise you should switch to bum.
I'm not switching to bum, bum is town and you're a knave or a fool for voting him. If by 3:55 we can't get 4 people to jump off various wagons for MZ, then I'll vote Radfield, since he at least has a chance of being scum.
On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1?
MZ is clearly hustling us. I think Radfield may flip scum, but I'm substantially surer of MZ. In 9 minutes i'm voting for Radfield if I can't get 4 people to join this wagon.
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All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?
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On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1?
What other options? I think Lanaia's a decent choice but she 1 at least gave an excuse and more importantly 2 has now been active and 3 seemed less scummy with what she did do/say than MZ
Refallen's gonna get modkilled.
IDK who else has lurked, I'll check later, not enough time now.
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I also REALLY don't like your last minute vote switch plan. It feels scummy to me.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, I posted a semi-case on Bum earlier in the game. Nothing major but a couple of small things added together.
You do realize the only reason I posted that list(ABC123 etc) is because people were repeatedly missing my point and making semantically arguments. You can't pretend that post existed in a vacuum and that I did not have reason to post it. Just read through that section of the thread.
Where have I contradicted myself multiple times?
What are my really weird mistakes?
What excuse did I make for my early reads being bad or resulting in a mislynch?
I also think you're dramatically overstating the potential detriment my ABC123 list has for town(though in hindsight I agree I should have just posted all X's), as well as overstating it as a scum motivated action. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:33 Radfield wrote:
I don't scumhunt extremely early on in the game, as my reads (and yours I imagine) are terrible during that timeframe. This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Show nested quote +Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 07:02 Radfield wrote:This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me.
Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night.
Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense.
Just don't lynch me.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling?
Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter.
OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled
what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible
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On January 28 2012 08:47 Navillus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1? What other options? I think Lanaia's a decent choice but she 1 at least gave an excuse and more importantly 2 has now been active and 3 seemed less scummy with what she did do/say than MZ Refallen's gonna get modkilled. IDK who else has lurked, I'll check later, not enough time now.
Cwave for example, completely disappeared after the Radfield incident. I'm sure there's others. I'm wondering what the difference is between MZ and them.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:48 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, I posted a semi-case on Bum earlier in the game. Nothing major but a couple of small things added together.
You do realize the only reason I posted that list(ABC123 etc) is because people were repeatedly missing my point and making semantically arguments. You can't pretend that post existed in a vacuum and that I did not have reason to post it. Just read through that section of the thread.
Where have I contradicted myself multiple times?
What are my really weird mistakes?
What excuse did I make for my early reads being bad or resulting in a mislynch?
I also think you're dramatically overstating the potential detriment my ABC123 list has for town(though in hindsight I agree I should have just posted all X's), as well as overstating it as a scum motivated action. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:33 Radfield wrote:
I don't scumhunt extremely early on in the game, as my reads (and yours I imagine) are terrible during that timeframe. This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Show nested quote +Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 07:02 Radfield wrote:This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night. Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense. Just don't lynch me.
Radfield's brilliant 10-minute-before-deadline defense: "Just don't lynch me"
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if I vote you it will not be for your meta, it will be for your public key and your weird play. I don't know you well enough to know your meta but i know weirdness when I see it. I'm not sure it makes you scum but I'd rather lynch you than bum (that rhymes!)
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On January 28 2012 08:48 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, I posted a semi-case on Bum earlier in the game. Nothing major but a couple of small things added together.
You do realize the only reason I posted that list(ABC123 etc) is because people were repeatedly missing my point and making semantically arguments. You can't pretend that post existed in a vacuum and that I did not have reason to post it. Just read through that section of the thread.
Where have I contradicted myself multiple times?
What are my really weird mistakes?
What excuse did I make for my early reads being bad or resulting in a mislynch?
I also think you're dramatically overstating the potential detriment my ABC123 list has for town(though in hindsight I agree I should have just posted all X's), as well as overstating it as a scum motivated action. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:33 Radfield wrote:
I don't scumhunt extremely early on in the game, as my reads (and yours I imagine) are terrible during that timeframe. This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Show nested quote +Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 07:02 Radfield wrote:This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night. Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense. Just don't lynch me.
What would you suggest instead, if I don't like the Bum lynch too much? I actually don't like that a majority of people have all disappeared before the lynch.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:47 Navillus wrote:On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 28 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1? What other options? I think Lanaia's a decent choice but she 1 at least gave an excuse and more importantly 2 has now been active and 3 seemed less scummy with what she did do/say than MZ Refallen's gonna get modkilled. IDK who else has lurked, I'll check later, not enough time now. Cwave for example, completely disappeared after the Radfield incident. I'm sure there's others. I'm wondering what the difference is between MZ and them.
Cwave's got like 8-9x as many posts as MZ. He's a lurker but at least there's something there to look at. MZ is like a lurker drop burrowed in your mineral line before you've built an academy because you're still D--
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 28 2012 08:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:48 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 07:39 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, I posted a semi-case on Bum earlier in the game. Nothing major but a couple of small things added together.
You do realize the only reason I posted that list(ABC123 etc) is because people were repeatedly missing my point and making semantically arguments. You can't pretend that post existed in a vacuum and that I did not have reason to post it. Just read through that section of the thread.
Where have I contradicted myself multiple times?
What are my really weird mistakes?
What excuse did I make for my early reads being bad or resulting in a mislynch?
I also think you're dramatically overstating the potential detriment my ABC123 list has for town(though in hindsight I agree I should have just posted all X's), as well as overstating it as a scum motivated action. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:33 Radfield wrote:
I don't scumhunt extremely early on in the game, as my reads (and yours I imagine) are terrible during that timeframe. This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Show nested quote +Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 07:02 Radfield wrote:This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night. Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense. Just don't lynch me. What would you suggest instead, if I don't like the Bum lynch too much? I actually don't like that a majority of people have all disappeared before the lynch.
How about MZ? With Radfield and yourself together we can hit 5 votes, one of which is coming off of the Radfield wagon. we don't have much time left for this switch.
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On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling? Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter. OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible
1. You don't need to be rude.
2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone.
3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you.
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Radfield, are you still around? You don't seem like you care that much what happens...
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Number of people here will be enough to push anyone present, including Lanaia just saying. Also Blazinghand, I don't think I saw you specifically making a post why you think Radfield is scummy? In this game where mafia can team-kill each other scum will try hard not to look like town leader, which is exactly what he has been doing.
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Blazinghand
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On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote:
All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time.
You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me.
Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck....
How is MZ hustling? Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter. OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible 1. You don't need to be rude. 2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone. 3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you.
1) ??
2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example
3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze.
Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy
Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils.
##Vote: Radfield
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