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On January 28 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:04 Navillus wrote:
WTF Plurality lynch means that you're basically choosing to not vote, that will just let each scum vote for someone they're sure isn't scum and easily keep us from actually having a chance of hitting scum, in what world could this possibly help town? I wasn't aware scum knew who each other were. Of the three wagons currently rolling the only one with any credence to it is the Radfield wagon because he has pointed some pretty BSey stuff that the scum could use (as well as a "public key" type thing, but again i'm unsure as to how that would help them compress information), and that one's in the lead already. That being said, I just don't get how a scum player's gonna know Radfield's scum then jump onto another wagon with large enough numbers to change things.
That bold portion shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend, and my problem is that I think Radfield is town and scum who agree with me are getting him lynched, if you are town I would hope you would see that Bum is likely scum and help lynch him, if not I would expect you to take the scum-safe option and vote for someone without a chance of getting lynched. Comprendé "broseph"?
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Okay, it was shorter than I expected. So I'm back.
Is plurality lynch the normal way of lynching on here? I'm unfamiliar with the term. I just know the lynch style.
I wasn't going to touch radfield's wagon with a 20 foot pole because I don't think he's scum which I'm pretty sure is fairly normal to do in regards to someone you think is not scum. I don't understand how my saying that makes me scummy.
I'm getting a littler nervous because a few people still haven't voted and, you know, it's like... ~35 to deadline. I just really don't like modkills.
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Blazinghand
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You really think Bum is scum? Let me show you his filter my fellow brotagonist and we can think on this together
On January 28 2012 06:17 Navillus wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaay happy make up time, but now on a more serious note, we need to lynch bumatlarge, on a scale from 1 to scum he is king bum lord of the scumpeople. And that is because of this post. Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment. Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. Meapak also fits the lurker bill, buts here's the thing. If Meapak is scum, he was doing one of a few things with his posts. A) He picked out a quick pro-town read on me, and tried to sabotage my cred or get me lynched(ballsy and unlikely). B) Picked out a scum read on me and tried to bus me to gain town cred(unlikely). C) Ignored my potential alignment and just went all out in an effort to build scum-hunting effort credentials(likely).
Or alternatively he is town and saw what he thought was a player trying to communicate with his scum buddies(most likely) And how is this not a direct contradiction of what you said not to do. You are essentially calling him town here. One strike too many. ##Vote: Radfield Now first remember that scum in this game are playing in the dark like us, so to identify scum they need to go on the same reads that we have. With that in mind, we had just decided that it lurking day1 is very scummy this game and pointed our lurker-lynch at Lanaia, no sooner had we done that than bum decided to jump to her aid. Now the fact is that he literally cannot know any more about her than we do at this point, he's also not stupid, this means that he should have the same conclusion that everyone else has come to, lurkers are scummy, Lanaia was lurking. He then chose to defend him/her, (lanaia = m/f?) this only makes sense if he himself is scum and realized that one of his own was likely about to get lynched, he even goes so far as to be ok with lynching ANY of the other people brought up for lynches and pushes for a rad lynch while rad is one of my town reads. Agreeing to anyone else just stinks of him trying to avoid the Lanaia lynch, which is just weird, Lanaia had been lurking there's no way he could've even had a strong town read for him/her. Bum is scum QED + Show Spoiler +and that rhymed - vote for him
Oh what this is your entire case on him huh
let's break it down
On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.
Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.
So that's the culprit sentence. But again is this a real culprit? I don't think so. He is trying to say Lanaia is town but he doesn't want to come out and say it. Why?
On January 27 2012 07:49 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:On January 27 2012 00:15 Hesmyrr wrote:Agree with no town read strategy, but looking over redFF's posts anyone could have validly brought up the "no scum" point so his behaviour is null-read for me. For example bumatlarge mentions it too and statement goes unchallenged... because it was less aggressive? I've seen too many times where people are lynched for arguing against town popular opinion. Also, ##Vote bumatlargehis first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- In fact, Radfield, why did you not vote him then (therefore encouraging more discussion)? lends more credence to your big-post-intended-to-coach-scum theory. Cwave. What bad wording specifically? I didn't vote him for several reasons, mostly because I think voting early and often hurts ones credibility. However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down: * He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning. On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?
Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.
I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie. If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum" He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them. He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless. These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case. Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba. And your suggestions would be cool if you didn't fuck them up with the "not scum" BS. Yes, we all get town reads, but the point here is to not post them in the thread. I am suspicious of you not immediately using that. I feel like you are doing what you said people were doing with cwave, except with me. I don't plan on being lynched 
Oh right look at that.
So why is he making a soft defense of Lanaia? Becuase Bum doesn't want to do hard defenses of anyone. He's clearly a moron, but that doesn't make him scum. The fact that he's interested in lynching cwave or navillus without a proper read is troubleing...
but not nearly as troubling as Radfield's various shit that he's done, including providing a cipher to the scumteam. Even if he's town that cipher could be used in theory, which is a serious issue. I'd consider Radfield to be scummy and I don't understand why people are wagoning Bum.
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Blazinghand
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But all that is peanuts compared to the epic legendary lurkstorm that MZ is pulling on us as obvious lurking scum. I really have no idea why anyone is voting for anybody but MZ
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Well, I'm going to vote radfield now. If someone can give me some kind of amazing reason to move my vote, I'll do so.
##Vote: Radfield
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I'm back. Lanaia is still good lynch nuff said, but I'll move my vote to either of these two if there isn't going to be sufficient support.
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Blazinghand
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Ok wait if Wiggles and Lanaia are here, we just need one more person and we can do an enormous voteswitch over to MZ and lynch him instead. Wiggles why don't you want to vote MZ?
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Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?
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Okay that makes sense...
So here's the new problem, why the heck aren't you voting? Well you have 4 logical courses of action.
If you're town and you actually do believe that Radfield is scummy (here's a hint, you just said you do) then you might want to, you know, vote for him.
If you're town and you don't believe he's scummy you would want to vote for someone else and push for them over Radfield.
You do neither. That makes no sense, if you're town.
Now if you're scum and you believe he's scum you should also be pushing for someone else.
But if you're scum and you believe he's town, then you should quietly vote for someone else and let him get lynched so you can't take any blame for the townie lynch... Oh look DINGDINGDING we have a winner!
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Blazinghand
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oh yes that's a totally useful question to ask right now maybe igrok will answer it in the next 25 seconds and you can look town before the lynch deadline
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Above ^ directed at blazinghand's long post
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##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however.
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Oh guys, I have a question...
If someone is under threat of lynch, should they claim in this setup, do you think? For example, if I were about to be lynched, would I be claiming?
Is that something we want to be doing?
We still have people who haven't voted, don't we. :/
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Blazinghand
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Navillus I've totes voted and I am nothing but quiet. Guys, we should all switch over to MZ. Look at his filter. Look at it. This is not the filter of someone who's trying to be useful. Navillus use your brain for a moment here and just look at MZ's filter. He dropped a vote and a post or two so he doesn't get modkilled and BAM HE'S OUTTA SIGHT. How do you think you're gonna form a read on this guy other than "day 1 lurker"?? well you're not because that's his goal? Or are you gonna park your vote on some obvious townie cause you are obvius scum
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Blazinghand
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On January 28 2012 08:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however.
What the dicks is this? That doesn't counteract shit, whoever hits 5 votes first is still the guy who's lynched
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Uhhh, with my vote it only requires one more person?
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On January 28 2012 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Navillus I've totes voted and I am nothing but quiet. Guys, we should all switch over to MZ. Look at his filter. Look at it. This is not the filter of someone who's trying to be useful. Navillus use your brain for a moment here and just look at MZ's filter. He dropped a vote and a post or two so he doesn't get modkilled and BAM HE'S OUTTA SIGHT. How do you think you're gonna form a read on this guy other than "day 1 lurker"?? well you're not because that's his goal? Or are you gonna park your vote on some obvious townie cause you are obvius scum
We don't know he's intentionally lurking though. I wasn't.
How is he parking his vote on an obvious townie? I don't really understand your logic here. I've seen plenty of not scum people in previous games avoid modkill.
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1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today.
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Blazinghand
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Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand
OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here.
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Blazinghand
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On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote:
1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today.
wtf dude get over here and vote him.
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