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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:10 GMT
#1480
i'm just pissed that i put a shit ton of effort into this when we COULDN'T have won after day 4, barring scum idiocy to the max. lesson learned about not making idiotic wincons though i hope.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:16 GMT
#1487
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:17 GMT
#1491
On February 14 2012 12:12 vaderseven wrote:
All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible.

this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#1496
On February 14 2012 12:18 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:16 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this


And with jackal alive he could have said "nope" and changed all votes to a scum player.

Also you seem to have ignored what iGrok had said. the scum cannot communicate with each other during the day or night. therefore we cannot be sure they are capable of a mass vote switch.

...
START OF DAY
HESMYRR: SUP GUYZ LOL ##VOTE RED
REST OF SCUM: OK HES ##VOTE RED

did jackal's dayvig end the day? if yes then no change from
5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#1499
On February 14 2012 12:20 Zephirdd wrote:
btw he is right, the only way town could've won is if scum derped at night and killed another scum/no-killed/tried to hit red again.

THIS
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:22 GMT
#1505
yeah shut up greymist
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#1507
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:27:09
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#1511
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#1516
On February 14 2012 12:29 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:27 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it


but the game was winable, in fact you almost won. if vader shot you or held your shot you win. If vader shot cwave and you voted him first then you win. we decided to call the game a draw because that senario where whoever posts "Vote" first wins is bad. but the point is that we cannot predict what scum are going to do unless they actually do itl.

YES IT IS BAD

SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL IT A SCUM WIN 5 DAYS AGO

LOL IF SCUM DON'T SHOOT
LOL IF SCUM SHOT THE CLAIMED BULLETPROOF
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#1517
On February 14 2012 12:31 vaderseven wrote:
Red are you saying they should over turn the tie and mark town as the loser? You DID just get out of a lose you know. I had the vote timing down to im pretty sure the half second to line up to the day post so if they hadn't just ended the game like that I would have voted you before you could vote me. It was a pretty for sure scum win.

just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE.

i don't give a shit about the result i give a shit about bad mods wasting peoples time
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:07 GMT
#1520
posting in the thread
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#1522
On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote:
posting in the thread

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:55 GMT
#1523
I'll admit that i was angry and venting, but the fact that you warned me after the game was over and after how this panned out and even posted in the banlist about me has really pissed me off.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#1549
I'm sorry for blowing up like that.



I think if you just had a normal wincon for the scum ie The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening, then this would have been an excellent setup.

On February 14 2012 23:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 23:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.

It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future.


Of course, but this happens in mafia. It's perfectly fine to criticize the setup. I agree that the setup needs to be looked at to prevent a situation like this from happening again.

We're really discussing three different things.

1) Does the setup need to be looked at? My opinion is yes. It needs to be somehow tweaked to prevent this situation.
2) Given the circumstances did iGrok handle it correctly? My opinion is yes. I think that the calls he made were correct. The situation was kinda shitty, but he made the best of it.
But the issue should have never come about in the first place right?
3) Is it okay to be mad about it? My opinion is yes. But it's not okay to throw abuse around or ask to never allow iGrok to host again. If you don't agree with something, you criticize it, and perhaps even offer a solution. Don't just throw a tantrum.

I offered a solution.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1551
On February 14 2012 12:26 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:23 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though

I was basically a day vig. I almost lynched you day 3 just to make you stfu.

no you weren't
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1552
On February 14 2012 12:22 GreYMisT wrote:
You once again assume that all scum know each other and they are able to perfectly coordinate their kills without shooting you. its possible, but we can't just ask all the players if they know who all their scummates are.

Then that's an issue with the setup that should have been fixed before the game began.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:08 GMT
#1555
so then it's not a dayvig
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:41 GMT
#1558
On February 15 2012 06:37 vaderseven wrote:
Some groups play the day vig role where the day instantly ends without a lynch when the day vig shoots. The role is super similae if you are thinking of that kind of day vig.

A day vig is an extra town kp.

This thing just ends the day early, town still loses a lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:48 GMT
#1560
i know what it does lol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#1562
I know dayvig as a role that shoots during the day, the person dies, and the day continues. I think that's how it's done in most places.
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