• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:26
CET 11:26
KST 19:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1438 users

Sleeper Cell Mafia II - Page 14

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 Next All
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:10 GMT
#1480
i'm just pissed that i put a shit ton of effort into this when we COULDN'T have won after day 4, barring scum idiocy to the max. lesson learned about not making idiotic wincons though i hope.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:16 GMT
#1487
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:17 GMT
#1491
On February 14 2012 12:12 vaderseven wrote:
All things being equal I had several advantages over Red going into the final day post. I knew I needed to vote him and he couldn't 100% be sure that I would be the one he needed to vote. That might have given me say 3 seconds after the day post went up before he was making his vote post. I was f5'ing and post already written for my vote for many minutes. I think it was going to be pretty hard... but possible.

this is the perfect summarization of how fucking stupid this game was
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:19 GMT
#1496
On February 14 2012 12:18 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:16 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:12 GreYMisT wrote:
Jackal's role is what kept you guys in the game, He was the senetor, meaning he could voterig once per game, meaning he essentially was a dayvig. Rest assured at all points in the game it was indeed possible for the town to win.

5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????


and AT ANY POINT SCUM COULD HAVE MASS VOTED ON SOMEONE AND WON

nope, fuck this


And with jackal alive he could have said "nope" and changed all votes to a scum player.

Also you seem to have ignored what iGrok had said. the scum cannot communicate with each other during the day or night. therefore we cannot be sure they are capable of a mass vote switch.

...
START OF DAY
HESMYRR: SUP GUYZ LOL ##VOTE RED
REST OF SCUM: OK HES ##VOTE RED

did jackal's dayvig end the day? if yes then no change from
5 scum 5 town
scum lynch town dead at night
4 scum 4 town
scum lynch town dead at night
3 scum 3 town
scum lynch town dead at night
2 scum 2 town
scum lynch town dead at night
1 scum 1 town
????
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:20 GMT
#1499
On February 14 2012 12:20 Zephirdd wrote:
btw he is right, the only way town could've won is if scum derped at night and killed another scum/no-killed/tried to hit red again.

THIS
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:22 GMT
#1505
yeah shut up greymist
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#1507
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:27:09
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#1511
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#1516
On February 14 2012 12:29 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:27 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah... but I was dead T_T
Also it's over, so I see no reason to make this thread no more toxic. Set up had it's faults, and hopefully future games will be able to learn from this.

that's what im trying to ensure


hey man you wasted hours of your time on an unwinnable game over the last week, but there's no point in complaining lol deal with it


but the game was winable, in fact you almost won. if vader shot you or held your shot you win. If vader shot cwave and you voted him first then you win. we decided to call the game a draw because that senario where whoever posts "Vote" first wins is bad. but the point is that we cannot predict what scum are going to do unless they actually do itl.

YES IT IS BAD

SO WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL IT A SCUM WIN 5 DAYS AGO

LOL IF SCUM DON'T SHOOT
LOL IF SCUM SHOT THE CLAIMED BULLETPROOF
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 03:34 GMT
#1517
On February 14 2012 12:31 vaderseven wrote:
Red are you saying they should over turn the tie and mark town as the loser? You DID just get out of a lose you know. I had the vote timing down to im pretty sure the half second to line up to the day post so if they hadn't just ended the game like that I would have voted you before you could vote me. It was a pretty for sure scum win.

just say gg, make your opinion known (I think it is >_>) and BREATHE.

i don't give a shit about the result i give a shit about bad mods wasting peoples time
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:07 GMT
#1520
posting in the thread
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#1522
On February 14 2012 13:07 redFF wrote:
posting in the thread

redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 04:55 GMT
#1523
I'll admit that i was angry and venting, but the fact that you warned me after the game was over and after how this panned out and even posted in the banlist about me has really pissed me off.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 19:28 GMT
#1549
I'm sorry for blowing up like that.



I think if you just had a normal wincon for the scum ie The mafia wins when they equal or outnumber the remaining townies or nothing can keep that from happening, then this would have been an excellent setup.

On February 14 2012 23:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 23:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
I mean, I understand it being frustrating to play in a game where you don't think you have a chance at winning, or very little chance, but just try to make the best of it. Or, if you need to, just ask the host to replace you. Then criticize the setup in a constructive manner.

It's more of "I gave my best for this game, investing hours into it, because I assumed this game was winnable. However, at the end of the game I learned it was impossible for the town faction to win unless mafia turned out to be massively incompetent at understanding the rules (which happened)". RedFF is definitely behaving poorly, but failure to understand the problem is also quite problematic for the future.


Of course, but this happens in mafia. It's perfectly fine to criticize the setup. I agree that the setup needs to be looked at to prevent a situation like this from happening again.

We're really discussing three different things.

1) Does the setup need to be looked at? My opinion is yes. It needs to be somehow tweaked to prevent this situation.
2) Given the circumstances did iGrok handle it correctly? My opinion is yes. I think that the calls he made were correct. The situation was kinda shitty, but he made the best of it.
But the issue should have never come about in the first place right?
3) Is it okay to be mad about it? My opinion is yes. But it's not okay to throw abuse around or ask to never allow iGrok to host again. If you don't agree with something, you criticize it, and perhaps even offer a solution. Don't just throw a tantrum.

I offered a solution.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1551
On February 14 2012 12:26 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 12:23 redFF wrote:
On February 14 2012 12:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
I was actually afraid of day-vig / vigilante, but yeah after Jackal flipped they definitely should have pushed. It was kind of bad to pull that gambit when you have no idea Jackal is the role that could screw you over.

If Jackal was vig:
5 SCUM 5 TOWN
Scum fail and is lynch, town is killed and scum is shot.
3 SCUM 4 TOWN

he wasn't a vig though

I was basically a day vig. I almost lynched you day 3 just to make you stfu.

no you weren't
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#1552
On February 14 2012 12:22 GreYMisT wrote:
You once again assume that all scum know each other and they are able to perfectly coordinate their kills without shooting you. its possible, but we can't just ask all the players if they know who all their scummates are.

Then that's an issue with the setup that should have been fixed before the game began.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:08 GMT
#1555
so then it's not a dayvig
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:41 GMT
#1558
On February 15 2012 06:37 vaderseven wrote:
Some groups play the day vig role where the day instantly ends without a lynch when the day vig shoots. The role is super similae if you are thinking of that kind of day vig.

A day vig is an extra town kp.

This thing just ends the day early, town still loses a lynch.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 21:48 GMT
#1560
i know what it does lol
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 14 2012 22:16 GMT
#1562
I know dayvig as a role that shoots during the day, the person dies, and the day continues. I think that's how it's done in most places.
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
2025 December Finals
Krystianer vs ClassicLIVE!
TriGGeR vs SKillousLIVE!
Percival vs Ryung
ByuN vs Nicoract
CranKy Ducklings195
IndyStarCraft 102
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 102
SortOf 95
trigger 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40964
Sea 1705
GuemChi 1514
Jaedong 1092
Hyuk 649
Stork 406
Mong 351
Rush 209
hero 197
Light 149
[ Show more ]
sorry 139
Last 135
Soma 115
ggaemo 96
Shuttle 96
Sharp 94
Pusan 81
soO 79
ToSsGirL 53
EffOrt 46
yabsab 30
NaDa 25
NotJumperer 21
Hyun 20
Terrorterran 16
JulyZerg 16
zelot 14
Mind 11
SilentControl 7
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe601
League of Legends
JimRising 489
C9.Mang0455
Other Games
mouzStarbuck322
Pyrionflax205
Mew2King10
MindelVK4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick693
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1976
• Lourlo1500
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 34m
BSL 21
9h 34m
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
22h 34m
Wardi Open
1d 1h
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
OSC
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.