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1) You can have a greater voting power then 5 during the day period? If 3 people traded you 3 votes each during the night you could be at 10? Correct? 2) Whenever you vote do you use all your voting power or can you choose to use less then your maximum voting power? | ||
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Its funny how you can think of a plan to do this and you think you had it figured out. Then Sentinel post before me with a plan that is easier, smarter and better. I'm just not that smart i guess =/ {speculation} I think its quite safe to assume that both town and mafia have powerroles. I also believe that some of the roles are attached to the votepower mechanic. Maybe a powerrole that only activates with a certain amount of votes? Or you need to have less then a certain amount? {/speculation} | ||
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On January 26 2012 17:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Here's my attitude when it comes to speculation: 1. Does it help us find scum? If yes, then cool. If no, then on to #2. 2. Does it help us find/establish townies? If yes, then cool. If no, then #3: 3. Does it help us to not get fucked over by some broken scum mechanic? If yes, then cool. If not, then #4: 4. If you got here then you shouldn't be speculating Since your speculation falls under #4, why are you doing it? What purpose does this serve? I disagree. As long as you don't take the speculation and add it to real information gained later I see no reason not to speculate now. Speculating might open up ideas/possibilities for others that they have yet to realize themself - myself included. Also it provides discussion at the start of day 1. | ||
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On January 26 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote: So what goal does your speculation achieve? I'm really curious about this. Did you just not quote the post where i wrote it? | ||
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This also leads to a lot of WIFOM on the person who gets more votes after the night kill. WIFOM on whether or not they are possible mafia. Yes. Mafia will be able to control who gets extra votes depending on who they kill. Will they gives extra votes to themself or to a townie? I don't see this as a problem the first few days but later on Mafia might be able to just kill the right person to gain the majority of the voting power if we continue with this plan. What if we just decided our self who to gives votes and how many and also wrote in the thread who we gave votes to? That would give complete transparency over the night votetrading. It will be harder for mafia to shuffle votes around among themselves and I don't see how mafia can lie about the nighttrading even though they are the last to post their actions. They can of course lie among themselves who gave who, but if all town post the thruth (and they should) there are no way that town should not know where mafia votes went. How much info this gives us are relative. With no flips it can be hard to look back and with certainty determine anything out of votetrades but there would be less confusion about who gave who votes. People would also be able to see where votes goes before they trade their own votes. This might mean that we don't get a, potential scummy, person with a big part of the voting power. Could also make a big confusion where everyone keep changing who they gives votes to... | ||
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I don't know if you misunderstood the mechanic or I misunderstood your post. It IS possible to have more then 5 votes during the daytime. If everyone give their votes to palmar he could potentially have 31 votes day 2. Come night 2 he would have to give away atleast 24 votes to one person. I think that paperscraps have a point that we need to agree on a method to control the votes. 1) and 2) are only viable for a short amount of time (as lay pointed out) but can be good in the start to keep votes spread out. 3) is the best way to continuosly keep track of where people put their votes. | ||
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That one person have 4 votes instead of 3 during day2 and the potential to have 5 votes and everyone else still have 3 on day3 is not something that I find particularly scummy. Even if mafia want to hammer on day3 they can't since they will only have 14 of the 38 votes. If they during the night2 trade differently then we planned they can potentially got to 18 votes day3. It only gets scummy if someone suggest to continue with the plan - and no one have. (This assume that 1 townperson dies in possesion of 2 votes each day and night. 4 person and 8 votes total. Also assume that everyone trade 1 vote each night) Given that there might be power out there to influence votingpower I don't think we should be using the "Everyone trade 1 vote to player below" plan more then night 1. After that option 3) is a much better alternative. | ||
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We should go with voting with 1 vote to the next person for night1. I don't think its a valid plan on Night2. If people don't follow that we lynch them. On January 27 2012 13:09 LSB wrote: Since I still have about 2 days to get things done I will temporarily abstain myself from doing analysis and focus sole on pushing forth my plan. What?! No you may not abstain from scumhunting when you propose a plan that is basicly the same as everyone else is saying + a selfcorrection mechanism that is wrong. Risk: Why can't you see that a votecircle (atleast night1) is the best way to make sure that mafia don't get a big amount of the votes? If everyone just give away 1 vote to whoever they want mafia will most likely give votes to themself and some town will give a vote to scum. This means scum will get an increase in votes. That increase could be anything from 0-11. If you can't see that you are either not very smart or scum deliberatly trying to make us not follow this plan. Palmar: You are disinterested and obstructive to the town. I don't like it! Get your head in the game! | ||
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Since we haven't agreed by now I think we should agree to disagree. Would be better to continue plans during nightphase. ##Vote Prplhz On January 26 2012 18:28 prplhz wrote: Everybody should give away as many votes as they can every day. This is a good idea because it will prevent scum from eliminating voting power through night kills, and voting power will only get eliminated through the lynch which is more likely to hit scum than night kills. Free trade or circle trading. Giving as few votes as possible seems to be best. That way least amount of town votes can potentielly end up at scum. Why would I, when I know my own allignment, give votes to a potential scum? I won't! This statement is weird and I find it scummy. If you read this post (clicky) it just seems to come from scum perspective. On January 27 2012 07:06 prplhz wrote: + Show Spoiler + lol i wrote the post again and then my computer crashed and i was like *RAAAAAAGE* but then my browser had actually saved the post! We have at least 3 mislynches until LYLO, with the low KP of mafia this will likely be a long game, which ultimately favors town. I think the game would be somewhat balanced with all vanilla, but that would be boring so there are likely roles out there. Medics and veterans seem a lot stronger in a game where scum only has 1 KP, they can render an entire night useless for scum. Vigilantes on the other hand seem less powerful since there are no flips. Investigation roles are going to be a lot more powerful, but also harder to breadcrumb the results of since you cannot rely on your flip as a trigger for people to go back and find them, and you cannot rely on town to pick them up while hiding them for scum. Themed roles are a distinct possibility, yes they are. Ultimately, the only thing we can rely on is analysis, so provide content and provide analysis, duh. If some dude died who is scum, but everybody thinks he's town this will be a lot better for scum, so lynching people off hunches is not going to work. No-lynching might also be an option at some point. Any plan that rests on a premise other than "You are town" can hardly ever be reliably implemented. Plans are often only good for examining the setup and for starting the game up. The only plan I can see right now which rests only on that single premise is "Give a single vote to the person you think is most likely to be town. If you have a reason to think you're going to die, consider giving all of your votes to that person." We should not tell people who we're going to give our votes to during the night but instead during the following day. The italic part is also written from a scum perspective. The whole process of saying how the roles affect scum seems to be from someone who is on the recieving end of the power roles. While everyone could think this, I don't think a town person would write it and certainly not in this way. The rest of the post is basicly fluff and nothing. After this he tell us to not lynch risk. Vote WBG and then go on the longest shoppingtrip ever. He is scum! | ||
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If I had to consolidate now the only valid target is Sentinel. I just don't really feel that Sentinel is more scummy then Prp at this moment so I'll leave my vote on Prp. | ||
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And we should lynch chaoser... | ||
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I gave him 1 vote because i think he is town. I was just playing with him Purgatory (he was scum) where he played differently then what he does now. | ||
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On January 30 2012 11:00 chaoser wrote: Dirkzor: It starts off with a post that I thought was pretty useless, basically repeating sentinel's idea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505¤tpage=11#208 and then he moves onto speculating about roles, another completely useless topic. WBG calls him out on it. His posts that follow afterwards call for others to scumhunt while he does nothing, only telling Palmar to get into the game. The play seemed very passive at this point so I wasn't that suspicious. It was when he called out prplhz that I started to wonder. The concept of giving away more or less votes doesn't establish and can't really be used to decide if someone is scummy or not. That's like using different people's preferences for the circle-jerk v the free trade idea as a measure of scumminess, with people who wanted a different plan from you being considered "scummy". Bad reasoning and this made it seem like he was grasping at something that wasn't there. This, once again, is bad logic. How can you tell if something is written from a scum perspective or not? Once again it seems like he's trying to suggest something that is not there at all. Welcome to the game. This post on Prp intended to do two thing: pressure Prp and start lynch discussion instead of trade plans. Prp did not respond to my post before I had to go out so I left my vote there. I agree that my case was not in any way solid. But his posting up until that point gave me the vibe so I went with it. Trying to describe a feeling is hard. But when I read his posts it felt like he was seeing the poweroles from the perspective of someone who was scum. I still read it that way. How can you tell if something is written from a scum perspective or not? Stupid question. It they way it percieved by the reader. This whole game is about how things are percieved by the audience you write to. You can write the same statement in several different ways and the percieved outcome will be different even though the statement is the same. But regarding Prp. His posting have been a lot better since I voted for him. His interest in the lynch suggest to me that he is not scum. | ||
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On January 30 2012 16:40 prplhz wrote: Can you tell me how he's playing differently and how this makes him more town? He is asking questions this game. He is writing statements. He have an opinion. While he is not the one with the most or longest posts his posts have had something to tell. In Puragtory he did not do any of those things. | ||
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On January 30 2012 16:49 Paperscraps wrote: So your read on him is based completely around meta? I don't think that is a good idea tbh. No? The things I wrote are all things I would like a townie to do. This and he is behaving differently from Purgatory makes me think he is town. | ||
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On January 30 2012 17:28 prplhz wrote: Your trade sticks out like a sore thumb. Look at everybody else who received VP: I spearheaded the wherebugsgo lynch. Palmar spearheaded the VisceraEyes lynch, was a vocal opponent of the plans and heavily supported the wherebugsgo lynch. LSB did huge work on all of the plans and spearheaded [UoN]Sentinel lynch. risk.nuke has also been very vocal with plans and lynch. layabout has been very vocal and has stuck out to plenty of people. Paperscraps doesn't really matter because Palmar traded him and Palmar is a crazy man (and he's town). Jackal58 has not been vocal at all. Skimming his Purgatory filter, your meta description of him is plain wrong. Jackal58's scum play and his town play is very hard to tell apart. He didn't care about the lynch at all, he voted with a one liner on pure meta and left. You say yourself that you think that caring about the lynch is a town trait, then why did you give VP to a guy who seemingly didn't care about the lynch? There's a reason you're thinking so differently from everybody else. So because my reads are different from yours I'm scum? If his town and scumplay are hard to tell apart I might be right? I'm not saying that he is 100% town. I don't know what his allignment is but i can have a read. The reasons all those people got votes are the same reason i did not vote on the obvious choice. Vocal != town... I would not be any bit surprised if Layabout is scum even though he is vocal. I did not want 1 bad read from the town as a whole ending up with a scum player with a high amount of votes. | ||
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On January 26 2012 18:28 prplhz wrote: Everybody should give away as many votes as they can every day. This is a good idea because it will prevent scum from eliminating voting power through night kills, and voting power will only get eliminated through the lynch which is more likely to hit scum than night kills. What changed your mind Prp? | ||
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About LSB, who Palmar wants dead, and 2 more sheeped (wtf?): He have been very vocal and active so he must be town - or what Prplhz? (joking) What bothers me about his filter is that he have constantly been pushing his plans. Plan 1 (click) was basicly the same idea that was already in the thread + the self correction mechanism. Rough layout of Plan 2 (click) Then he sees the light (click) as an explanition to why he changed from his plan 1 to plan 2. Is the same post he calls Sentinel scum for essentially supporting what was his Plan 1 (see spoiler below) + Show Spoiler + I don't like this post. In fact this plan is very bad. If I was mafia, I would love this plan and support it, because of an easy counterplan. First of all, look at the concept of stability. Sentinel proposes that stability is more important in the early game than in the late. This is very wrong. Stability is more important in the late game than in the early. In the early game, although it is bad if the mafia suddenly gets 5 extra vote power Day 2, we still have time to account for it. However if the mafia suddenly gets 5 extra vote power Day 3, it could suddenly lose the game. Day 1/2 we have the freedom to try to achieve information at the risk of loosing vote power, day 3/4+ we do not simply because there is the high chance of loss My plan accounts for that because it focuses on stabilizing the late game, after a very tumultuous night 1. Secondly, look at information. Sentinel makes the fundamental assumption that circle-jerking will provide meaningful information. It won't, but it will provide a lot of WIFORM. However vote transfers will always have lots of information because every vote transfer is known. People will need to account for their votes. Sentinel's plan achieves neither of his goals of stability. In fact, there is a very dangerous counterplan that guarantees mafia an overwhelming advantage day 3 Counterplan: Between Day 1 and Day 2, give town 1 VP, and give mafia 1 VP 1: All mafia live. N3 Mafia has 13 VP, town has 17 VP. If town gives up 2 VP.If one townies mistransfers, mafia wins 2. 1 Mafia is lynched. N3 Mafia has 10 VP, town has 20 VP. If town gives up 5 VP, mafia wins. More likely, 1-2 townies will mistransfer leading to Mafia entering with 12-14 VP, and town having 15-16 VP. This sets up lylo as the town has to be unanimous in order to unseat mafia. I believe this flaw is intentional and therefore I have a Red read on Sentinel Conclusion: I should read the thread before posting. And ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Why is it that Sentinels logic is scummy when LSB himself had the same logic to begin with? In his 2nd case/post on sentinel he is even calling him scummy even though he changed his mind later on - the same way LSB saw the light and changed his mind when paperscraps called him out on it. Its a double standard at its finest. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2012 07:11 LSB wrote: We have about 3 hours to get a lynch in and I will spend this time to push forth what I think is the best lynch, [UoN]Sentinel. I can see similarities between my mafia play in previous games and his play here. One of effective plays a mafia can do is to blatantly play for the mafia side. Sometimes town doesn’t notice, and sometimes a few people do notice but they don’t do anything till it’s too late In addition, this play is very effective for this setup, even if you are exposed, you could simply transfer 2 of your votes away to your team, minimizing a loss of a sacrifice. As I have stated here, the plans that [UoN]Sentinel proposes all have effective mafia counterplans: -Circlejerk is obvious, but mafia friendly -His wait 2 nights and then free trade is disastrous, and results in either a D2 or D3 lylo. -His wait 1 night is almost as bad, and put on shaky reasoning To say that I am ‘giving him too much credit’ or ‘he can’t possibly scheme that for ahead’, would be an unfair underestimation. His posts demonstrate he is capable of thinking ahead and the ability to formulate intricate counterplans. Although he had a change of heart in the later stages, this only happened after I called him out on his plan, and it is standard play to drop any obvious mafia tactics as soon as possible. Because of his blatant attempts to mislead the town, to me he is the most obvious mafia I would not oppose a LSB lynch at this moment. | ||
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I would vote VE now, but I don't want to hammer (my vote won't be the hammer i know) until everyone have had a chance to claim the hit on either one. If no one claims it could still be a scum nightvig. How likely do you find that mafia have a nightvig? If no one claims the hit I think the jailer should claim. Because if no one claims the hit or the jail we would have lynch both to be sure. | ||
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Maybe you are right. I just don't like to guess about this with no flip involved. VE looks way more scummy then palmar. Why not claim directly after night post? Why wait? Palmar posted instantly and VE have had more then enough time to think it over. But I still hate being unsure. I'll mindfuck myself until the game ends =( | ||
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On January 31 2012 05:54 layabout wrote: Woah that's late. /kill discussion. Lynch now or tomorrow? lol! That changed your mind? What about the late claim to get hit? Which was equally late. Yet you have been vague up until this post of VE. Just minute before you had yet to make up your mind... | ||
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On January 31 2012 06:02 layabout wrote: Vicera i will hammer you in 90 minutes. You can't. 6 votes needed. You have 5. And i agree with Paper on this... Why the rush? | ||
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While it was a choice between Palmar and VE i think we should have waited and heard more opinions. Well scum is scum as they say.. Still doing our own thing with the votetrade i suppose. | ||
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anyone else got a PM from zbot with confirmation of last night votetrade? | ||
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What i find weird about LSB is that he have fairly active in the beginning. Then Palmar started to accuse him and he have posted less and less and the stuff he have been posting have made little sense. The typo thing is just weird in my opinion. | ||
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He could also point out why we shouldn't shoot him - if we have a bullet. Same goes for Lay but he have gone insane anyway. If you read page 14-15 with palmars scum team in mind it looks kinda agenda-pushing. VE, LSB and lay (and WBG) talk about circletrading. LSB put forth his plan and they all seem to agree its very good. Others also agreed it looks good (Jackal, Node, Meat, Sentinel) so I don't how usefull it is. | ||
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Chaoser, node and Prp (he gave a little, but bad, reasoning)... | ||
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I also can't see why I was non-committal. I said I found VE way mroe scummy then Palmar and would put my vote on him - but didnt due to hammer mechanic. | ||
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I traded 1 vote to jay. The reason was to not stack votes on other townies and I have a green read on him. I believe VE, lay and LSB was scum. WBG was not. So whos the last? I got crossfit training now and when i come back i got some filters to read. | ||
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Before night 2 Layabout, LSB and Chaoser had: chaoser (3) LSB (2) layabout (5) 8 votes in total. We know Layabout somehow got vote he shouldn't. We know it fits the amount of votes (8/9 doesnt matter who LSB sent his vote to it would end up at Layabout either way) sent to palmar. We can assume that scum syphoned the votes traded to Palmar in order to gain the majority of the votes. Trades night 2: Sent: chaoser (3) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 2 votes left LSB (2) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 1 vote left layabout (5) -> 4 votes to chaoser = 1 vote left Received: chaoser (3) + 4 votes from Layabout = 6 total LSB (2) + 0 votes = 1 total (0 as he died) layabout (5) + 9 votes (intercepted from palmar) = 10 votes Had layabout only given away 1 vote or given his votes to palmar (thus giving to himself) layabout would have been on 14 or 15. 1) Why did he not send his votes to palmar - which meant himself? 2) Why did he not send to LSB? 3) Why did layabout not keep as many votes for himself as possible? 1) If Layabout was shot during night the votes would have probably ended at Palmar. Not a good situation for scum. 2) The pressure was on LSB and Layabout. If layabout had send votes to LSB it would just further incriminate the 2 as scumbuddies. Would not have been a problem had mafia gained majority but if they didn't the votes would be better on the last remaining scum. 3) Same as 1 and 2. If layabout was shot the votes would have been lost. It was the best of 2 worlds for scum to send the votes to chaoser. If they had gained majority it didn't matter where the votes where. If they didn't the remaining votes would be on the last scum who we hadn't caught on to yet (chaoser). If scum were to use the most insanely overpowered powerrole in this game it would be insanely stupid of them to give AWAY votes. Which is why chaoser is the last scum. | ||
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Sent: chaoser (3) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 2 votes left LSB (2) -> 1 vote to palmar/layabout = 1 vote left layabout (5) -> 4 votes to chaoser = 1 vote left Received: chaoser (2) + 4 votes from Layabout = 6 total LSB (1) + 0 votes = 1 total (0 as he died) layabout (1) + 9 votes (intercepted from palmar) = 10 votes Now it should look right. | ||
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Things talking in favor of Chaoser: He did say he was okay with a lynch on VE after night1. He have distanced himself from Layabout throughout the game. Things talking againts chaoser: VE was already palmars target from day 1. He gradually distanced himself from layabout the more lay was painted red by town. He have several times called LSB town. Later changing to neutral. On February 01 2012 17:07 chaoser wrote: He looks like he was regular mafia too so it wasn't even like I was saving someone "important". Not to mention that at that point layabout had more votes so if I was mafia I would try to save layabout over LSB. Also if I was mafia But why would VE sacrifice himself for LSB if he wasn't important? I think it was LSB who had the powerrole but it worked even though he was shot. (at work can't really finish this...) | ||
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Your first post where you said you thought VE was scum was AFTER night 1. So you knew that palmar had survived when you bussed VE. In the same post you said small things about layabout (wall of texting). You never really called him scummy until way later when palmar had painted him bright red. Thats why i think you are gradually finding layabout more and more scum in the same pace as town finds him more and more scum. Also the fear that Palmar might live was a very real possibility as he was saved night 1, why not night 2? But at the same time scum had to kill him because they knew he was/is one fo the few who can't be talked around. Talked around like you are trying to do now Chaoser. About votes going to you being stupid from scum... Not really because as you say its all wifom. Did scum give it to you to paint you red or because you actually are red. You are trying to spin it one way where I believe the other. If layabout was giving votes to LSB it would in no way point him as town as we already found him scummy. He had to find a target that would make atleast a little town. Why not give 4 votes to palmar then? Or to someone else? I don't think you were the greenest one here... I think I'm right... you can only prove me wrong by dying. And you will =) | ||
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On February 02 2012 05:54 Paperscraps wrote: Chaoser needs to die. I don't see any downside to it. 'Nuff said. | ||
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That said I'ven't (I've not, I haven't, I'ven't) read his filter as of late so I'm not calling him scum or town. | ||
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Of the top of my head is MeatlessTaco... For your information I just read Prplhz and Risk.nuke filters and they seem town to me. | ||
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On February 01 2012 13:57 MeatlessTaco wrote: prplhz said we should give away as many votes as wecan every day. He was a supporter of LSB, the only confirmed red, he cautions restraint in the layabout lynch, when he wanted to hammer bugs. Why are we stalling again, prp? On February 01 2012 13:59 MeatlessTaco wrote: apologies, I missed one prp accusation, he vote-loaded Palmar when he knew he would die in order to look town | ||
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On February 01 2012 15:01 jaybrundage wrote: I want to lynch chaoser tommorow then. Notice this he CLAIMED that he got votes from layabout. Before everyone had even claimed only 7 people had declared where there votes went. That means 4 people had not declared who they were voting for. However instead of thinking other people voted for him he assumed that layabout gave him those votes. Looks like he had prior knowledge that he was going to get those votes. Also he defended LSB for a bit till he figured that he too was a lost cause. Chaoser also didnt know about the VE lynch till it already happened he could not really have a say in it. (although maybe he would of tried to defend his mafia buddy) It seems pretty obvious that hes mafia. Unless layabout was using WIFOM to try to make chaoser look bad. What do you guys think. If Chaoser doesn't work out i have another candidate in mind. I would like to know who you meant? | ||
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I think the last 1/2 scum are in this list of 4: Chaoser MeatlessTaco Jaybrundage Jackal58 In that order. The reason I say 1/2 scum instead of only 1 is because I only see VE and LSB as confirmed scum. We got flip on LSB and VE basicly sacrified himself to save LSB. WBG is probably town and layabout is probably scum. layabout vote magnet could also be a major powerplay from scum to throw town totally off. Also where the fuck is everyone? This game isn't over yet... | ||
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Half the game he have been posting thought similar to those of the scum we have confirmed (LSB and VE – I assume VE is confirmed due to palmar being shot). The other half he have been questioning and attacking the exact same people. He starts by wanted to do circletrade like LSB. He then wants to kill either Palmar or risk.nuke because they are against the circletrade. He claims this was an attempt to bully them to follow what he thought was a good plan. Even though he in this this post seemed to have changed his mind he later posts as if circletrading is still a good choice: here. He supports VE case on Paperscraps by saying he doesn’t find anything wrong with it and later supports LSB case on Sentinel with a vote day 1. He also say that he don’t find anything bad in VE’s filter here Then he does a 180 and starts attacking the known scum. He questions LSB’s first post night 1 calling it a bad idea. Day 2 he votes LSB pretty early. Palmar and Paperscraps had voted (with no reasoning) and his own reasoning was rather lacking: see here He later helps to lynch VE, continues to push LSB a little and later pushes layabout. Layabout also had him pretty high on his scum list – but that can mean anything. The 2 posts I asked him to elaborate on are pretty bad. Because the only thing I find true in them are that prphlz wanted us to give away as many votes as possible day 1 and that prphlz have given all his votes to palmar. This in itself is not scummy. All in all he isn't a bad lynch target. | ||
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I also think we should lynch jackal. Reason is that I strongly believe that paperscraps is/was the medic. The roleblocker is a scum role who targeted paperscraps and killed palmar. On February 03 2012 06:47 Paperscraps wrote: Well I am leaving for school in a bit and won't be back until 11:30-12:00 kst. (about 1 1/2 - 2 hours after night ends) My top scum reads: MeatlessTaco Chaoser Sentinel Dirkzor I believe much will be revealed after tonight. Incase I die, I leave you all with this. steganography Tro googling steganography. I don't have time to look thorugh paperscraps posts right now for breadcrumbs but it must be there. Scum can have picked that up and hence been 100% sure that they could kill palmar 2nd time around. Was anyone roleblocked? The roleblocker might be dead (layabout - i find it unlikely) or they targeted paper so he couldn't selftarget. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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On February 03 2012 07:05 jaybrundage wrote: Ok first off Dirkzor why would you trade me a vote because you think you have a town read on me. And then say Im possible scum. For that don't even trade a vote. You should give your votes to people you are confident are town. My question for you then is what am i good town read, or suspected scum? Second off I don't suspect Dirkzor and Meatless taco in part because they both sent me votes. Is that quite simple could they still be mafia. Of course, however Occams Razor, They are probably town because their sending a town there vote. In response to Dirkzor I so far i would push a risk.nuke lynch. If chaoser does work out. Lets hear about risk.nuke now then? About giving votes. I've tried the entire game to give votes to people I don't think anyone else whould give to. That means giving to people in the "middle" so to speak. You making this list with jackal is because i have a lesser townread on you then the rest. Either way my votes have been spread - but poorly. | ||
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If Chaoser doesn't work out i have another candidate in mind. or I so far i would push a risk.nuke lynch. If chaoser does work out Does or doesn't? O_o | ||
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I might have been fast to vote Jackel, but his medic claim still confuses me... I actaully shot LSB night 2 but got my shot refunded because Node was faster. *pats self on the back* On February 03 2012 05:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: prp harped on me for pushing for a lynch, he wanted to "run the numbers", I though we could run the numbers later anyway so just get a lynch in. In that post prp called me "less than impressive" and "deliberately obtuse", which, since I was drunk, I spent 2 minutes unearthing his less than impressive play, which included the last defense anyone gave of LSB, vote loading Palmar to give mafia a chance and advocating giving away as many votes as possible which is the reason we can't be 100% sure of a victory because we had to lynch 10 votes yesterday. I also found it odd that he was asking for restraint when he was pushing for the bug's hammer quickly. When I sobered up, I realized prp is unlikely scum since the proper play for him would have been to give 1 vote to Palmar, not 5, in case they didn't get a majority right there. MeatlessTaco: Mind finding the post where prphlz defends LSB? I couldn't find it yesterday and I don't want to spend time right now looking for it. Hmm.. crazy thoughts: LSB and chaoser is scum. I suspect VE to be more likely to be scum then layabout. So VE is the third and bugs and layabout was town. Would prphlz give votes to palmar if he knew they would end up at layabout so layabout would look bad? Also do you tihnk scum had a roleblocker + a bus driver? Since palmar and paper both claimed to have been roleblocked? If yes - which one are alive? Or was the busdriving ability one time use? Or am I misunderstanding the way bus driver works? | ||
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If jackal isn't scum prphlz is and we lymch him next but i'm pretty sure jackal is the scum... | ||
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can we shorten the night to when all have done nightactions? | ||
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Just to cover all bases. LSB was scum chaoser was scum wherebugsgo/VE/layabout is dead - do we believe one of them was scum? Jackal is 99% scum. Do anyone see the chance that there are still 2 scum left? Jackal and someone else? I'm pretty sure VE was scum but I can never be 100%. Best action is for Node to just give 1 vote away. If he tries to give away 5 votes and scum can still bus they might gain majority. However if they kill node the votes are lost but town still have majority. I believe the steel power is 1 time use. | ||
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I really did think that you acted differently day1 then you did in purgatory... Oh well... VE was the 4rd scum? | ||
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On February 04 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote: gg guys, well played by most of town, especially impressed with paperscraps and dirkzor. Node MVP  aaaaw.. I get all giddy =) I guess no one was bussed night 1? The setup was really fun. The best game I've played so far (of my wast number of mafia games (3)). Looking back at it the scum was maybe a bit favored. I mean if at any point they are just close to getting majority they can shot the guy with most votes and win. Night 2 i was really close to shooting layabout. But the whole mess with VE got me to shoot LSB, but being the slowpoke i am was beat to it by node. However I don't think shooting layabout had been so bad? Considering he was a main suspect anyway and it might have cleared some stuff up... | ||
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