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Node (2), Jackal58 (3), chaoser (3), prplhz (6), LSB (2), Palmar (4), jaybrundage (2), risk.nuke (3), [UoN]Sentinel (2), MeatlessTaco (2), Paperscraps (4), VisceraEyes (2), Dirkzor (2), layabout (5),

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 01:58 GMT

#518

Right now I am the most interested in who sent chaoser a vote.
Also layabout and prplhz massive vote surges. I want to hear additional reasoning behind these.

To be honest I expected me and palmar to recive alot of votes. We recived 3 combined.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 11:16 GMT

#557

LSB, would you mind providing some quotes and highlight/explain where palmar is playing pro-town.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 18:05 GMT

#577

Vicera gone insane. I'm not going to determine your alignment from your desire to kill palmar but I will ignore you untill you start making sense.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 18:41 GMT

#583

If a vig shot Viceraeyes you need to claim that NOW. No vig would shoot palmar, altough yes. If someone were dumb enough you need to claim that aswell.

I find it very unlikely that a vig took a shot tonight. Because I don't think there are a high chance of beeing vigs in this game and secondly if there were using it this early wouldn't be very smart.

I'll need to take another look at how the atmosphere was day1/night 1 to determine if mafia might have shot viceraeyes.

Right now my gut is telling me VE is scum improvising.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 18:45 GMT

#587

prplhz quit beeing a moron.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 18:46 GMT

#588

We also have another option. Medic-claim. Altough I'm not sure how I feel about that. So medic if you read this hold your horses.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 18:59 GMT

#594

Palmar I felt you were green day 1. You could had completely fucked me over by agreeing with wbg I'm sure I would had gotten lynched and the cirkle-trade plan would had been set into action. Right now a false claim from scum is such a dumb idea. Especially since we have discussed the potential of having some sort of necro-cop. It can only be a move out of desperation. You were looking very pro-town and and don't have the slightest need to pull this risk on you. Meanwhile ViceraEyes is a bit... crazy. This doesn't mean I'm going to jump to conclusions.

I'm considering this. Lynch neither of you today. Order a potential dt check one of you two. If nobody announces anything tomorrow. We kill one of you two(viceraeyes) and let a potential necro-cop examine him. This should give us a pretty high chance of getting accurate information about what is likely the most important flip of the game.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 19:01 GMT

#596

Why is that?

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 19:11 GMT

#600

On January 31 2012 04:04 prplhz wrote:

Show nested quote +

Can you give me one reason a townie would want to be an asshole like this?

This is purely out of curiosity and has nothing to do with this game.

Because ViceraEyes is about to get hammered with 30 hours of awesome discussion time remaining.
I apologise for beeing rude but I think you all need to slow down a bit and also not make assumptions.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 19:18 GMT

#604

Do you really belive I am scum or are you still trying to extort me.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 19:46 GMT

#616

Okey palmar I'm fine with your logic. So next point.

You people make me so sad. Ofcourse I don't actually belive VE's claim. It's insane. Bill Murray all over again. That doesn't mean I want to hammer him now or worse make it absolutely clear that I think he is scum scaring away every scum from doing anything exept sheeping you palmar. I could have done that with just as little ease tomorrow and after having people state their views we would have alot more information. Which was why I tried to start discussion topics. I'm counterproductivly posting this now because Palmar is going all out hardass on people trying to be smart so I think it could cause more harm then good not too.

We can still expect potential roleclaim but if you protected palmar there is no need to reveal yourself since only a role-claim that would make Vicera green is usefull. Anything else wouldn't change todays outcome. (TLDR: If you saved palmar you don't need to reveal yourself)

If VE gets hammered before deadline can we subtract 24 hours from the night which would in other cases be >48 hours?

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 20:44 GMT

#631

Okey layabout, So all your reads are completely unrelated to viceraeyes or palmar?

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 22:38 GMT

#669

My view of lsb is pretty much 2 things.

*Spending a bunch of time to come up with a plan that first of all was actually obvious. I thought about it ten seconds after I saw vote-trading and I'm sure everyone who gave this game any attention thought about this fairly instantly (yes I'm talking about circle-trading) He made a few minor tweaks with it. Nevertheless the plan ultimatly favored scum bigtime.

*Yabbing long chucnks of texts repeating what other people have said in attempts to look pro-town

What he got going for him is he sent me a vote and despite his efforts to appear pro-town nobody gave him any votes. I would think if a scum tried to look pro-town it would give his buddies an excuse to give him a vote but this didn't happen.

Opinion: Orange

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 22:51 GMT

#673

I agree, potential lynch targets should give away as many votes as they can. That's the pro-town thing to do. They only reason to refuse this is if you would want to use your votes as leverage against lynching you.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 30 2012 23:20 GMT

#678

layabout: Lets assume you're town. Why would you not want to do what's best for town?
You're stance is if town makes a mistake and mislynches you then town should be further punished. Do you think you're Bill Murray or something? Do you understand the problem with your stance? Do you understand why It's bad for town in itself?

Now let's expand the thoughtbubble.

Lets assume Palmar isn't just bluffing to get you to trade away your votes before we kill you. What if he actually wont push you because you're now a minimal threat. This will let you to stay in the game, do you understand what that means? You can continue to offer your thoughts and try to be an asset to town and you'll be alive and you can help town avoid a mislynch 100%. Isn't that alot better then stubbornly taking a pro-scum stance and getting mislynched.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 31 2012 19:24 GMT

#725

Layabout: reminder to give away all your votes tonight. If you don't. There will be an additional reason to kill you tomorrow. Because you would knowingly and deliberatly play against town.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

January 31 2012 20:09 GMT

#736

LSB was palmars target when VE played his crazy move which to me seems to have been made out of desperation. That makes LSB look really bad.
On other accounts I view both LSB and Layabout as just about the same.
*Alot of act, little under the hood.
*Questionable behavior.