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On January 30 2012 10:36 LSB wrote:
I sent 2 votes to layabout
I did this for a variety of reasons
1) I wanted to send my vote to someone I did not consider a vet/prominent in this game, I expected that they were more likely to receive votes, and by sending it to a new person might help with keeping things more balanced (Turns out I was wrong)
2) layabout's critique of my plans and his concerns about it in the rudimentary stages show genuine concern about the fate of the town. He has taken more controversial stances on positions so I have a green read on him.
I sent 1 vote to layabout. I had a read of LSB and layabout on different teams/sides so all of this shows that pretty much all my reads were way off.
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On January 27 2012 09:32 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm actually going to be busy for about 3.5 hours, so I'll be back to answer major concerns then.
On January 29 2012 09:52 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Tonight is free trade! Please give your votes to anyone who you think is town. DO NOT announce your votes in thread. Wait until daybreak after all of the votes have been transferred. Once day two come, everyone must post how many votes they gave away and to whom they gave votes away to.
Please give away two of your votes. + Show Spoiler + This is for two reasons
1) Giving away two of your votes eliminates looses if you get nightkilled. Even if you don't think you are a high target, mafia could always bluesnipe.
2) People with 1 vote only are extreamly crucial during re-balancing. During Night 1, people with 1 vote are the ones who would receive votes from people with 3+ votes in order to ensure that the vote distribution stays roughly equal. So if you are left with only 1 vote Day 2, there is a high likelyhood that you would have 3+ votes Day 2.
Why the change of heart?
##Vote LSB
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On January 30 2012 19:48 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 19:45 MeatlessTaco wrote:On January 27 2012 09:32 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm actually going to be busy for about 3.5 hours, so I'll be back to answer major concerns then. On January 29 2012 09:52 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Tonight is free trade! Please give your votes to anyone who you think is town. DO NOT announce your votes in thread. Wait until daybreak after all of the votes have been transferred. Once day two come, everyone must post how many votes they gave away and to whom they gave votes away to.
Please give away two of your votes. + Show Spoiler + This is for two reasons
1) Giving away two of your votes eliminates looses if you get nightkilled. Even if you don't think you are a high target, mafia could always bluesnipe.
2) People with 1 vote only are extreamly crucial during re-balancing. During Night 1, people with 1 vote are the ones who would receive votes from people with 3+ votes in order to ensure that the vote distribution stays roughly equal. So if you are left with only 1 vote Day 2, there is a high likelyhood that you would have 3+ votes Day 2. Why the change of heart? ##Vote LSB It was quiet obviously a typo. The post before I put forth the pass two votes plan http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303505¤tpage=15#287
In the post you quoted you say "Passing 2 votes is very pro-mafia. There is no reason to pass two votes if you only have 3. Remember, you can only pass votes to one person, so just passing one vote neutralizes any other vote passing actions you have. The only reason why you would want to pass two votes would be to make a two vote swing for the mafia. (in-addition passing two votes eliminates a self-correcting mechanism)"
and then your official looking post at the beginning of Night 1 you say
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Please give away two of your votes
This is for two reasons
1) Giving away two of your votes eliminates looses if you get nightkilled. Even if you don't think you are a high target, mafia could always bluesnipe.
2) People with 1 vote only are extreamly crucial during re-balancing. During Night 1, people with 1 vote are the ones who would receive votes from people with 3+ votes in order to ensure that the vote distribution stays roughly equal. So if you are left with only 1 vote Day 2, there is a high likelyhood that you would have 3+ votes Day 2."
which is the typo?
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##Vote VisceraEyes
VE's defense of LSB's "logic" made me throw up a little bit.
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On January 30 2012 23:55 layabout wrote:
LSB:
I think that lynching LSB would be very stupid. He has made more sense than most of the rest of you combined. If you read his posts it's clear that he felt that transfering 2 votes would help with re-balancing, so him supporting and then doing that is not scummy at all, unless of course you believe the entire plan was just to get town to give votes to scum but if you thought that you had many opportunities to say it, since we we so late starting lynch discussion.
Do you stand by this read of LSB?
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On January 31 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:
Scumteam:
1) Palmar or ViceraEyes
2) jaybrundage
3) Meatless taco
4) sentinel
5) jackal58
4 from that, in any order.
Either Palmar or Vicera is scum due to claims. (them both being town and claiming hits with no NK and 1 scum KP is extremely unlikely)
None of these players has looked very town to me.
You called me out on Day 1. I still gave you a vote because I was worred Palmar might be playing us. You still think I'm mafia. Even ignoring myself being on it, this list doesn't make as much sense as Palmar's
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On February 01 2012 06:24 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
if you don't give away the votes layabout we'll be forced to lynch you tomorrow, this is because you're quite suspicious and have a lot of votes. Even if we assume both VE and Bugs were town (very unlikely) it's only 4 mafia in 13 people, so that means you have 8 people to look for as town if you somehow happen to be town.
You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you. If you agree with this please say so. Soon.
I had a town read on you until you buddied up with LSB. If you are town, give your votes away to the towniest player you can. Then you can help us scumhunt tomorrow.
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On February 01 2012 07:16 layabout wrote:
wouldn't you prefer to see my flip?
We can have the coroner dig you up.
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On February 01 2012 08:27 layabout wrote:
Every player is potential scum.
Not providing reasoning, not establishing your innocence, deliberately misleading or misinterpreting to kill other players is not pro-town and it's what you have all been doing.
We need another, better target. Was VE right and Palmar is scum/playing us? Who should hang besides LSB or you? Answering those questions will help us as town. Simply saying, "all your analyses suck" isn't helpful. We need a better option on who to hang.
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On February 01 2012 09:37 Paperscraps wrote:I have a feeling I am going to die tonight. Popcorn time! 
Why's that?
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I gave one to jaybrundage because he wants to kill me.
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On February 01 2012 10:30 prplhz wrote:
I gave 5 votes to Palmar because he was town.
Then your votes should be refunded. You only have 2.
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##Vote layabout
So a vote cypher mechanic? Any other possibilities?
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siphon, damn you all, I can't edit it
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On February 01 2012 10:46 Paperscraps wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 10:44 Paperscraps wrote:
Yeah, it looks like the votes given to Palmar were siphoned to layabout.
Now I see why layabout was so adamant that we wasn't going to give votes away, to justify having soo many today. Anyways layabout needs to die.
##Vote layabout My only reservation is that the mafia knows we will see right through this power play. WIFOM Is mafia setting up layabout or is layabout in on it?
Then he has to say who he would lynch and why.
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On February 01 2012 10:57 Paperscraps wrote:
Palmar was killed last night proving his innocence. Mafia knew people would be trading a lot of votes to him.
If mafia hadn't tried to ikill Palmar two nights in a row I would still have reservations. We have to kill layabout.
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At most 3 scum remain, layabout is dead with 17 max votes (nuke + jackal/jay) barring an afker.
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What information is a mafia member going to give to help us out, exactly?
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Someone hammer and let's get on with the game.
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On February 01 2012 13:26 prplhz wrote:
MeatlessTaco are you being deliberately obtuse? Don't you see what me and Paperscraps are saying? There is something up and there's a lot of data here, layabout never claimed scum like VisceraEyes did. You haven't been very impressive so calm down and let us do some numbers, surely you can wait a little?
I was under the assumption that we could continue to discuss the numbers after layabout was killed. My apologies.
##unvote layabout
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