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Spaackle

United States153 Posts

December 29 2011 18:11 GMT

#42

##Signup If there isn't any room, am I in the replacement list?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 07 2012 14:10 GMT

#615

Hi everyone.

I've got work today, and I'm posting in the short time before I leave, but in a few hours I will read over the thread again and post my thought on issues that come up. I'll try to be as active as I can, but I may have some IRL commitments that will keep me from my computer sometimes.

Also, Thanks to Zona for letting me sub in :D

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 01:43 GMT

#844

Ahhh! My work was way longer than It was supposed to be. D: I missed the vote!
Shame that Erandorr flipped town, but I guess knowing that is better than knowing nothing about him except that he doesn't post much.

I'll be here for another few hours, and I'll try to contribute as much as I can.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 01:44 GMT

#845

Starting with some reads on current suspects.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 02:07 GMT

#846

So, the experienced player obviously know how to play town (duh, they're experienced). They know how to be as helpful to the town as possible. Taking from Ver's guide(?) to town play:Link here (clicky)

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There are three main goals for the town on day 1 in a standard game:
1) Get useful information (often achieved via point 2)
2) Create an ideal atmosphere (will go over this in detail in town guide)
3) Figure out your plans/direction

The obvious way to analyze the situation would be to take the current players in suspicion and see if they are trying to achieve the above goals.:

risk.nuke: Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- I hate to make a meta argument, but I feel like it's necessary here. When I played with risk in Election, he spent much of Day 1 jabbing at other players and trying to squeeze info out of them. I feel like he isn't doing this so much now. Many of his posts have been reactions to the poking of others, and he's offered little analysis of his own. His play in this regard doesn't look very towney to me.

2) Create an atmosphere -- This goal is linked with the previous one. The best atmosphere for town is one where they can get as much information as possible. I feel like risk is falling short here too. He hasn't been offering many points for discussion, and his reactionary posting has most other townies snapping at him.

3) Figure out plans -- This is a tough one. There really haven't been any plans put forth by anyone, just some bandwagons and a lot of finger pointing. risk has been doing just about as much of this as everyone else.

Risk's play is looking a bit scummy to me. He hasn't been offering much solid analysis, and he fans the flames of the arguments in the thread. We definitely need to pressure him some more tomorrow.

More coming soon!

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 02:30 GMT

#847

Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 02:35 GMT

#848

Anyone else on?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 20:29 GMT

#914

@RofL While I agree that we need a plan for day 2, yours is not the one I would go with. Mass claiming like that will only paint a target on our blues for the scumteams. We'll lose our blue powers so fast that we'll get almost no use out of them, and where will we be then?

@risk

On January 09 2012 04:50 risk.nuke wrote:

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Imo a town Palmar would respond to that with a pretty huge post declaring why the plan is dumb alternativly if he approved of the plan he would write additional thoughts or/and reason further why it is a good plan.

I thought you hated meta arguments?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 20:51 GMT

#919

@Jackal Hypothetically, let's say I'm a complete noob and I don't know how to play this game. Explain to me: why is it obvious? Could you please give a little bit more reasoning, even if it is things that others have already pointed out?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 08 2012 23:41 GMT

#952

@risk Night ends in about an hour and 15 minutes. Not sure what time it is in Sweden right now though...

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 09 2012 02:22 GMT

#982

Well, now that we know that Palmar is scum, we should take a look at a post the he made earlier:

On January 09 2012 06:41 Palmar wrote:
And when those two flip, kill risk.nuke, tyrran too. Probably bluelightz, and then find the last one. HoD is a possibility, so is Refallen, maybe Grackaroni...

Blazinghand, Cwave, Dirkzor, layabout, RebirthOfLeGenD, Spaackle, Zephirdd and Mr. Wiggles are town.

I'll bet we find Palmar's scumbuddies in the list of the people that he declared as townies.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 09 2012 02:32 GMT

#985

@HofD Maybe not both of his teammates, but I don't think that he would bus his entire team when he's about to be lynched. I still do think that these people deserve a good look.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 09 2012 02:40 GMT

#990

Hey Cwave, where you at? It's been 24+ hours since you posted something. Care to discuss any recent events, or do you have some brilliant plan that's taking all of your time to come up with?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 10 2012 00:07 GMT

#1109

@Refallen. He didn't just derp in a post. He made a well thought out plan that would cause a lot of harm to the town if it were implemented. He then defended against the flaws pointed out in his plan and has not done much since. He also hasn't really posted any reads on anyone, just his silly plan. Why are you so eager to defend him?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 10 2012 00:08 GMT

#1113

EBWOP ninja'd by BH. My points still stand, though.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 10 2012 00:15 GMT

#1119

@ Refallen like I said, my post was a bit ninja'd by BH. Still, if you had been reading the thread, you would have known that BH was referring to RofL.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 10 2012 04:02 GMT

#1126

I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:

##vote RebirthOfLegend

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 10 2012 06:00 GMT

#1131

@Syllo. If not him, then who?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 05:31 GMT

#1263

So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.

Give me a bit more time to finish catching up on the thread and reading some filter, and I'll have an analysis for both Tyrran and risk.nuke

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 05:47 GMT

#1266

On January 11 2012 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:

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What? Are you listening to yourself?

If he were scum he'd cling to it since it's the only thing he's done all game besides lurk and fail to vote Erandorr properly. If he were town, he'd believe in his plan so he'd defend it anyways.

RoL of any alignment will defend his plan. RoL isn't null, he's anti-useful and I have no idea why you'd unvote him at this time.

Give me some time to read the thread. I'm inviting because I think RoL may not be the best lynch right now, and I'm going through the filters of the other main suspects. If I think that they are better lynches, I'll vote them, and if they're not, my vote comes back to RoL. Even if I don't vote him, I still think he'd be a good target for our Demon Hunter.

Now back to reading.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 05:48 GMT

#1267

EBWOP: I'm not inviting, I'm unvoting. Silly iPhone autocorrect....

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 06:51 GMT

#1272

So, after reading through Tyrran's thread, he's starring to look pretty scummy to me. He's posted much less than most others in this game, and his posts are long and full of fluff. He seems to spend a lot of time trying to tell other players how to play when he could be giving analysis or answering questions. He also contradicts himself a few times.

Posts that really stand out to me:

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What makes you think that angels will want to target the blues ? They are pretty much immune to blues, appart from the seer which will be desintegrated by the Angel of Death if he ever claim ( or i guess you could banish him, but then he would be pretty useless). So angel will just randomly shoot into townies, who knows, they migth even get a lucky shot on a demon, they migth also kill townies with dark power if they are not banished.

Secondly you suppose that Demons are going to want to use their banish defensively. If they want to do this, then Demons will just banish the Demon Hunter ( which will NEVER EVER be targeted by angels, because he basically works for them). If they have corrupted someone, they can also banish the sage, and just enjoy they extra vote ! They are not going to banish someone in order to 'protect' him.

Your plan gives HUGE information to both scum faction, and town actually gains very little from it. I dont like it. I think it favors Demons way too much ( because they can protect themself way more easely using their power knowing who the blues are), it also helps angels a bit ( they can kill the seer, they do not risk killing the demon hunter by mistake). But town is definitively the big loser in your plan.

And

Okay, i misread and missed the color only claim part. My bad, gotta go back some new googles.

Your plan is therefore much better than i initially thougth. I still have an issue with how you are going to deal with corruption. Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too. On one hand you say that corrupted town should claim, but on the other hand you also advise multiple claim. What does town gain form multiple corruption claim ? While i agree that this migth confuse scum, If the angels are in doubt on how to get rid of corrupted townies, how are we going to know how to deal with it ?

These posts are a glaring contradictions to each other. Tyrran points out several large flaws in RoL's plan. However, when RoL clears up the color claim issue, suddenly these flaws aren't so bad anymore. To me this represents a bit of wishy-washiness on Tyrran's part. He's very opposed to RoL's plan one minute, then thinks it's not too bad the next. There's Also this bit:

Angels are not the only one that need to prevent a voting block from forming, we need to prevent it too.

By we, does Tyrran mean town? Or is there some special we only him and RoL know about?

This post caught my eye too:

Well I dont see how this could have gone better :D. One demon dead ( GJ DemonHunter or Angel Acolyte, whoever got him) and no unrevealed death. Perfect N1 for town. Here are some initial thought about what happened N1 :

On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.

Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you.

The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:

AoD targeted Syllo. This is unlikely. It was clear in the thread that the banish was going to be used defensively, and Syllogism was one of the most obvious target. I' not sure why angels would target him other than them being bad.

AoD targeted HarbingerOfDoom. This is a possibility. I'm not sure why they would choose him over BH, Wiggles, layabout tho

Syllo is the AoD. This is unlikely, he has been very active for town during day 1. Yet, we cannot ignore this possibility. I dont want him lynched today, but if he is banished again N2, and once again the AoD do not kill, then we will have to consider him as a lynch.

HoD is the AoD. This is a possibility too, but i'm not sure about it. I'll try to find some time to read his filter today.

Questions to discuss day 2 :

What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD?

With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it?

this is one of theposts that I really think paints Tyrran as a scum. He starts by congratulating the DH for the kill, then starts listing possibilities. His possibilities state what could have happened, but Tyrran doesnt really ever state what he thinks happened. Just "well maybe this or that." This noncommittal post also really highlights just how wishy-washy Tyrran has been this whole game.

Tyrran, wha do you have to say for yourself?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 17:55 GMT

#1356

@Zeph I unvoted RoL because I thought there might be a better lynch than him. I posted my reads on Tyrran last night, and was going to do the same for risk today, but you guys hammered the lunch during my morning classes. I Would have voted risk, but I wanted to do a thorough analysis of his posts before I put the last nail in his coffin. You guys beat me to the punch.

The fact that risk flipped town is problematic. It brings us no closer to finding the rest of the scum. However, risk is still the best option for yesterday, IMO.

Tonight, DH should hit either Tyrran or RoL.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 11 2012 17:58 GMT

#1357

EBWOP: risk was the best option. He's gone now, so he can't still be the best option.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 12 2012 23:23 GMT

#1468

I've been asked to do some reads, so here goes:

Tyrran: I've already made an analysis on him see that for my main reasoning. I think he looks pretty scummy, even though he's started posting a bit more as of late.

RoL: he's basically invisible for the first day, then during night one he comes up with a plan to mass claim. His plan is torn to shreds by everyone else while he quietly slips back into the shadows, reemerging only to defend his plan but not to do much of anything else. His lurkiness combined with his lack of contribution makes me think that he is a scum. Between him and Tyrran, I'd probably lynch RoL first.

Grack and cwave look a little scummy to me, seeing as they've both lurked a bit and not posted too much of actual value. However, there's much bigger fish to fry than them.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 12 2012 23:24 GMT

#1469

I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 12 2012 23:50 GMT

#1473

When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 00:01 GMT

#1485

@BH I partially used my RoL vote to get him to come out in the open. I think he is a good lynch, and I did when I voted him, but risk was still better to me.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 00:02 GMT

#1486

@RoL, now that you're back, care to do some posting?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 00:10 GMT

#1492

I'm pretty sure I did answer your question, BH. I said that yes, when I moved off RoL I thought risk was the better lynch.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 00:15 GMT

#1497

@ BH: yes.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 00:20 GMT

#1503

Except that since then I've been pushing for his lynch. He looked a bit null to me at the moment, but I still suspected him as a scum. I just wanted to concentrate more on getting rid of risk at the moment.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 13 2012 01:18 GMT

#1518

@BH no, palmar is dead. Only one purgatory from now on.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 06:39 GMT

#1675

So I'm gone doing stuff for a while, and when I come back, I'm suddenly one of the "primary targets" for lynch?

What?

I'll admit I have been gone for most of the day: I had a few things that came up, and I ended up staying a few hours longer than I had ex

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 06:45 GMT

#1676

EBWOP: expected because we ran into a few problems. All of this was completely outside of my control.

Lynching me will be just as good for the town as was lynching Erandorr and risk. While I may not be as active as I could be, lynching me is still a mislynch.

HoDs claim is interesting. Everyone should back their votes off him and focus on a much safer lynch, like RoL. However, leaving breadcrumbs like that is still something that a scum could do, and fall back on if it looks like he'd be lynched. But this is too much WIFOM for right now. Let's just play it safe and back off.

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 06:46 GMT

#1677

That was weird. I've never had TL post while I was writing before...

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 07:16 GMT

#1679

Yes. Let's bury him

Vote: ##RebirthofLeGenD

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 07:37 GMT

#1681

Most of it has already been pointed out. RoL spent too long with his plan, hasn't been posting much, and as of late, has not really been contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way. Most of his recent posts have been really shaky attacks on BlazingHand. All of his other posts as of late contradict himself and generally ignore the hard hitting questions levied at him. Instead he chose to keep the poo-flinging fight between himself and BH going. I want to hear his reponse before you hammer him into the dust, but I don't think it will be much better than what we've already seen.

@BH, enough of a "y" for you?

Spaackle

United States153 Posts

January 14 2012 21:58 GMT

#1766

I'm back as well. I'll be around for a while before the lynch.

That being said, RoL's claim seems like a halfhearted last ditch defense. He says he'll explain why later, but later had better come soon.