Purgatory Mafia

On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers

First,

I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way.
Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example)

Also,

Here's the list of people I want posting

xsksc
Cwave
risk.nuke
Errandor

That is all.

On January 04 2012 17:46 Dirkzor wrote:
Game on!

This setup scares the living shit out of me. So many nuances to keep track of. Anyway...

I agree that Angels appear to be strongest in the beginning with 1/2 KP. But what haven't been mentioned is that Angels can kill the demon for us aswell. If we lynch Angel of Death and Angelic Acolyte we will have to lynch/Demon hunter the Demons. Since I don't know the Demon hunter or how good that person is, he could just aswell kill 3 town people the first 3 nights which of course would not be very favourable for us. It basicly means we would need to do more correct lynches while having a good demon hunter that don't fuck us over with continously town kills.
Demons also have the Twist ability which basicly makes one (1) of their members immune to night actions, rendering the demon hunter to be less useful.

What i wanted to point out that even if we get 3 correct Angel lynches (unlikely) the first 3 nights. The demons are equally capable to fuck us over. That is why I think that killing any angel or demon is good. Not one over the other. If we knew which angel or demon, it would be a different matter.

On January 04 2012 23:29 Dirkzor wrote:
Day 1 seems to be longer then it should be? Zbot claims it ends in 3 days and 10h (aprox. as of writing) when the OP states:

On January 05 2012 18:36 Palmar wrote:
I claimed kite, that's pretty pro-town?

On January 05 2012 23:47 Palmar wrote:
assuming that no-shooting is not an option. you have to shoot, and you have to hit scum.

On January 05 2012 22:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lol sorry, I actually just got home and forgot this game started. Initially I thought I'd just finish up Responsibility mafia then jump over here but that doesn't seem like its going to happen anytime soon. I just need some time to catch up.

On January 06 2012 13:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sorry, I had to finish up some business in the Responsibility game. Now that that is over this game gets my full attention.

On January 06 2012 17:55 Blazinghand wrote:


check out previous Zona games if you think that's how Zona works

On January 06 2012 18:32 Blazinghand wrote:


That's not what you said.

This is what you said:

On January 06 2012 19:55 syllogism wrote:
It's quite possible that wiggles is scum, but considering you don't particularly appear to care about the game, I'm hardly sold based on your "wiggles possibly can't be this bad!" case. Do you think I'm town? Why don't you care about who I think is scum?

On January 07 2012 03:03 layabout wrote:
Erandorr:
+ Show Spoiler +
I am completely fine with an Erandorr lynch.

@Syllogism, why do you no longer think we should lynch Grackaroni?

On January 08 2012 04:58 syllogism wrote:
Cwave: So who would you rather lynch out of erandorr/risk? There is very little reason to believe that you aren't scum as well; are you going to be too busy for the remainder of the game or do you actually intend to start scum hunting and posting content at some point? Your post count and content is barely above RoL's.

On January 08 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
I don't have all night risk.nuke

Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable?

On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.

On January 08 2012 04:15 risk.nuke wrote:
@Palmar you wanted to know about my ridiculous idea. Well prepare yourself for ridiculousness. At the time I was having a blast sitting up there anonymous reading every word people were saying. It was a great discussion to. Due to my habit of vetoing the first bandwagon on principle with few exeptions I wasn't going to lynch bluelightz, Refallan I was actually slightly suspicious of. Anyway the discussion had pretty much slowed down so I wrote a few thoughts that wouldn't get either of them lynched but rather to just fuel the discussion. I was also having an eye on blazinghand back then (yeah don't worry I've dropped him, butI though he was fishy at the time) I hate day 1 and I just wanted to get as much information as I could hoping I might find a good case against odds.

On January 06 2012 09:34 Jackal58 wrote:
No you can't. Get over your self important self. I have a job. And it's not asking if you'd like fries with that order. When I'm here I'll read the thread and post my opinions and vote accordingly. When I'm not here I'm working or paying bills or fixing shit my wife broke. Mafia is not my career it's how I choose to spend my leisure time. Some days I have more of it than others.
I will post every day. When time permits you'll be sick of seeing me. When work permits I'll post from there. Today was not one of those days. So get over it.
With that said Palmar is most likely scum. When he's town this far in on day 1 he's either becoming excessively belligerent towards people or screaming at people like me to post more.

##Vote: Palmar.

On January 06 2012 12:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Fucking null team is gonna kick our fucking asses all over the place.

On January 07 2012 23:18 Jackal58 wrote:

Vote for Palmar guys. He's scum.

On January 07 2012 23:26 Jackal58 wrote:
And of those who is going to become harder to hang after we start dying?

On January 08 2012 05:51 Jackal58 wrote:

Why not? He your scum buddy too? And I'll ask the same of you. Reading your filter is a lot like reading nothing.

On January 09 2012 20:37 Dirkzor wrote:
Actually:

##Vote Cwave

Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me).

On January 09 2012 21:16 Refallen wrote:
Well I decided to take a look at Cwave since Dirk is voting for him.

Cwave



Ok, weird role to choose the most important power of. Unless you're a demon.




Buddying with Palmar, possible scumbuddies? The exchange about risk.nuke and his plan sounds especially contrived.



Not wanting to vote risk.nuke?

I'm going to say that if we lynch risk.nuke and he flips demon, Cwave is most probably the last one.

On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.

On January 06 2012 19:30 Palmar wrote:


No you are, because you cannot possibly be this bad.

##Vote: Mr. Wiggles

On January 08 2012 07:38 Palmar wrote:
Die scum
##Vote: risk.nuke

On January 10 2012 00:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm more interested in what you think of risk.nuke right now

On January 09 2012 10:00 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm a vt.

On January 09 2012 08:35 risk.nuke wrote:
I'll claim just before daypost.

On January 09 2012 21:11 risk.nuke wrote:
Here are the surfers riding last days bandwagonwave. There isn't a real case againt me. Just layabout's horrible tunneling pet theory. We just recived a ton of information due to palmars demonflip and with that I shouldn't even be a target. How can I possibly be the best lynch of the day with some 60 hours left. And everyone better state a reason I don't care what you quote aslong as you give atleast some reasoning.

I said I would claim vt, then I got insanely bussy with newbie mafia related stuff. At 59 I just tabbed and pressed vt because first I said I would and I had no idea if people were claiming as rol wanted or not. second I was hoping my promise to claim just before deadline might make me the angel think I was a scared blue. And If I were killed and you couldn't see my flip I wanted to have claimed vt.

On January 08 2012 20:57 syllogism wrote:
So I guess Palmar you are on the other scum team after all? Would explain why you weren't really that keen on Erandorr lynch; you knew he wasn't on your team and that one of the two was thus likely town. Could have at least warned me

On January 10 2012 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
It's also possible that the AoD targeted Syllo/HoD and I think they're way more likely to attack Syllo than HoD.

On January 09 2012 10:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ah man, who will I lynch today now?

Also, the AoD either didn't hit, or it's one of HoD or syllo.

Acolyte missed. All people sent to purgatory are now targets of the channeler.

On January 10 2012 03:17 layabout wrote:
i didn't feel it was worth pointing out specifically but it is probably worth noting.

@cwave what are your thoughts on the game so far?
who do you think we should be lynching?

On January 10 2012 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Syllo, you're pretty smart, so please tell me why on earth you think Palmar would banish me to purgatory if he thought I was an angel?

Let's look at the scenarios:
1) I am the Angelic Observer - sending me to purgatory does nothing for the demons.
2) I am the Acolyte - unless I for some reason decide to go after a demon instead of a blue, does nothing for the demons. If I do go after blues, doing this hurts the demons.
3) I am the Angel of Death - I would never hit Palmar when I could get town to use up a lynch on him as lynching is the only anti-angel kp. Also leading a scum lynch can get some town cred. So one demon (Palmar) is safe. Another demon can be twisted, so now 2 are safe. Note, so far this also applies to the acolyte even if the acolyte is targeting a demon. So now blocking the angel of death is only useful if the third demon is also a likely target for a scum night kill.

I don't see how any of those are a better choice than targeting someone you think is a blue, especially if you have no idea which I am and are taking the 1/3 chance of a remotely useful roleblock. As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel.

On January 10 2012 04:09 Cwave wrote:


Wowowowo, you oversee(on purpose?) one thing. This is a 3 faction game but when it comes to lyncing, its a 2 faction game looking from your own POV(town,angel,demon).

Lynching is our only way to kill angels and demons help just as much with their lynch vote as the town when it comes to killing an angel.
So your point 3 is wrong cause when you are the AoD you want demon and town dead as they can lynch vote you. And of all the demons, the demonic courier is the one that can actually hurt the angel team. So hell yeah you would hit Palmar if you knew he was the courier.
Point 1) can you out your angel of death and get him couriered for 3 straight nights.
Point 2) can get you the twister or courier killed, all in the benefit of both the town and angels.

Another weird point if that you choose to eloborate point 3) with way more effort and text. If this was "The mentalist" or "Lie to me" i would call dibs in the couch on who was the liar as people tend to put to much effort in the lie they want to tell.

Points up on my suspected angel-list HoB......

As I stated, I think it is much more likely he thought I was blue than an angel.

On January 10 2012 06:06 Dirkzor wrote:


In hindsight the vote on cwave might have been overkill on my pressuring of him, but nonetheless it forced the reaction i had hoped (from cwave and non-specific others)

I don't feel I have been under pressure yet (Jackal screaming scum does not count as pressure), but please point out where I made anti-town suggestions so i can stop doing that.

(I'm sorry about the monty Python thingy...)

On January 10 2012 08:58 Tyrran wrote:
After Dirzkor mindless attack on Cwave ( Which was a fake ? What was going through your mind ?) I've started reading his filter more closely, and i dont quite like what I see there.

Cwave, while not particulary active, has been pushing cases left and rigth. Within his two page filter, you can find up to 8 scum accusation on 6 different people( Dirkzor , RoL, Erandorr, risk.nuke, Jackal58, MrWiggle). Now, i dont have anything against trying to find scum, but the issue is that while seeming to actively look for scum, Cwave has never actually tried to get someone lynched !

Apart for risk.nuke ( that you accused once in day one, then again in day 2), Cwave never put pressure on anyone, never asked other to investigate further on his town read. Instead, we find post like this :







Notice how he never ask : "what do you think about XXX, but instead remains as vague as possible ?" He his never saying "We should lynch XXX today". Notice the difference between this and MrWiggle pushing for Palmar, Syllo pushing for Erandorr, or even HoD pushing against me.

More recently, when he is asked who he thinks we should lynch.



Dirkzor is not set in stone. Maybe we should not lynch him despite him being scummy, because he migth flip town.
Risk.nuke is on his list, but not for the two reason he attacked him prior to that. Strange for someone who claims to hold an excel file with his thougths
Syllo is suspicious, but still is not a lynch target.
Notice how he did not answer the question.

Also some of his cases have very few content in them. I'm specifically thinking about his case

+ Show Spoiler [ Case against MrWiggle] +

Here we have a typical example of someone trying to look helpful by creating a case with no content at all. he makes it look like very serious using precise quotes and stuff, but the content behind it is basically none. MrWiggle switched target because it was obvious palmar wasnt be lynched and he wanted to avoid a no-lynch. That is a pro-town move, why would you call him out on it ?

Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched.

On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote:
Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable.

On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:


If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with.

On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:

Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor

On January 10 2012 18:55 Tyrran wrote:
@Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do.

On January 10 2012 18:24 syllogism wrote:
Cwave I read that post several times and I've no idea what you are saying. If you are town you need to seriously re-evaluate your play. Specifically I would like to see you rephrase or explain what you said here


Are you saying that you want to lynch risk? Why are you voting for RoL then? We've almost 40 hours of the day left, so if you truly consider risk the better lynch, you aren't making any sense.

On January 10 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:


Yes there is. And this is what you should be looking for when scumhunting. It includes discusssing topics that doesnt really matter , it includes randomly calling people ou without putting pressure on them, it includes Bandwagoning wihtout any good justifications. It includes calling people stupid for not blindly beleiving you. It includes basically every single post that doesnt make us one step closer of lynching a scum.

I guess that what i call 'pro-town contribution' you call simply ' contribution ' but I beleive scum also contributes to the thread, only not in a way that helps town.

You also did not answer Syllo's question : What do you mean by 'lynching risk.nuke but hammering Rol is the best option ' ? Do you want to lynch RoL or Risk ?

On January 11 2012 21:27 syllogism wrote:
Cwave you still haven't voted for your #1 scum read. Are you going to?

We need 2 to hammer risk, the wait is killing me

On January 11 2012 21:56 syllogism wrote:
But you also had no problem with voting RoL, weren't you afraid of hammer then? If you were so afraid of someone being hammered, wouldn't just voting for your #1 read in the first place make sense?

On January 11 2012 22:06 syllogism wrote:
That didn't answer my question, but that's fine because there is no explanation for your actions. The question is whether you didn't want to vote for him because he is your scum buddy or because you are a townie who makes no sense at all.

On January 10 2012 21:54 Cwave wrote:


I want to lynch both.
Unlike RoL(aka the guy who doesn't post) risk.nuke is still producing reactions and information in the progress, so RoL is a good option in my book. Hence i vote for him at this point as lynchtarget.

On January 13 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school

On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
I think he is likely mafia by this point, though probably not the absolutely best lynch. I do not think he is mafia due to the awful plan, but rather for being otherwise completely worthless and disinterested. I imagine Grackaroni, cwave, spaackle, tyrran, Jackal is scum infested too. Jackal's tone is okay, and that is usually the easiest way to spot his scum play, but he is still just lurking and tunnelling a different person every day.

Pretty much impossible to tell what bluelightz is; I even tried to look at his non-mafia posts to see if he could really act like this as town but there were none. I suppose the fact he is always making himself available to questions is something. I haven't put any effort into the game today and thus haven't reread the filters to see what would make sense in terms of connections.

While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game.

On January 13 2012 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that we all implicitly softclaim VT by not claiming Blue, this is a reasonable statement for any person in this thread to make. As a VT, if you get the mafia to burn their shots/roleblocks (or both!) on you because you're being too helpful, then you've done some good work, and bought your blues another night.

On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night