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On January 16 2012 19:07 Blazinghand wrote: ##Vote: Layabout
LAYABOUT WHERE ON GODS GREEN EARTH ARE YOU The night post happened at 1:30 am and i just got home, it is now 5:20 pm
On January 16 2012 22:36 Jackal58 wrote:Just got to work and getting caught up. Layabout - Wtf is up with your vote. BH is so freaking town it's not even funny. Your vote hits me as a PSA from scum screaming "here I am"
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 21:13 Blazinghand wrote: The other option we have is to openly ask an angel to claim-- we lynch the angel then the remaining angel splits fire with the demon hunter between me and layabout. This can be done if Syllogism was the Seer. The angels *MAY* agree to this because if they don't, there's a high chance the demons just win. they probably won't if the acolyte is somehow alive, and just try to kill both me and layabout themselves tonight. If RoL was an Angel they might. If RoL was Channeler and there are still 3 Angels remaining I wouldn't count on it. I'm gonna call it now. Dirkzor and Layabout are the Demons. Bluelightz is an Angel. I have no clue yet as to who the remaining one or two are.
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 4 Lynch.
With 10 alive, 6 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
layabout (1): Blazinghand
Refallen (0): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
The Day 4 deadline is at 2012-01-18 10:00:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 7:43:18 from now.)
What on earth are you talking about Jackal?
+so yesterday we nearly lynched HoD but decided to banish him and lynch RoL. During the night i post a big case about why HoD is scum. No banish happens and HoD claims that i have been twisted. (the sage and Angels are the only players that can tell if a player is twisted). How does that make me a demon?
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On January 16 2012 18:56 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:Current Vote Count: + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch.
With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
HarbingerOfDoom (3): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout
RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Zephirdd, Blazinghand, -Zephirdd
Spaackle (1): Zephirdd
Bluelightz (1): Jackal58
Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD
The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 1:48:45 from now.) Vote HarbingerOfDoom Votes first, apparently, then quotes in the thread, where in previous days he's always voting through his posts. Show nested quote +Conclusion: risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum.
Vote risk.nuke ^^ This is how he voted on previous days Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:52 layabout wrote: I will vote just before 8:00 KST. You will know why. ^ Then he says this. And misses the lynch. Gives the reason for this as "not wanting to ruin town atmosphere" sounds like a soft claim to me. So what I want to know is, if he really was the corrupted townie or if there is someone else out there. Do you not agree that if he wasn't the corrupted townie, and HoD claiming he was twisted, that demons would hardly have reason to be twisting layabout? Do you not agree, that wiggles was much more likely to be the fucking channeler than fucking RoL? And if that's the case, would HoD's sage claim not gain some credibility, seeing as there is no counterclaim?What the fuck is this? Yes, RoL was probably a fucking angel. Not the AoD obviously, and since there's a pretty damn good chance the acolyte is dead I rather the ctownie claim now so we have a clear target in the form of layabout. That's what I think. But before that, we can ask ourselves first if demons have any motivation to twist layabout if he wasn't a demon. I'll ask that to you, what do you think?
On January 15 2012 07:06 ZBot wrote:End of Day 3 Lynched: RebirthOfLeGenD (7): Grackaroni, Zephirdd, Blazinghand, - Zephirdd, - Grackaroni, Spaackle, Refallen, Grackaroni, HarbingerOfDoom, Zephirdd, syllogismCurrent votes: HarbingerOfDoom (2): Tyrran, syllogism, layabout, Grackaroni, Zephirdd, - Zephirdd, - Tyrran, - Grackaroni, RebirthOfLeGenD, - syllogismBluelightz (1): Jackal58Spaackle (0): Zephirdd, - Zephirdd, Zephirdd, - ZephirddBlazinghand (0): RebirthOfLeGenD, - RebirthOfLeGenD
The third day brought a new dimension of suffering. There was no wind, nor heat, but thick grey clouds covered the sky. The temperature dropped quickly, and soon everyone was shivering and huddling in whatever clothes they had left. A thin layer of frost covered the ground, every breath condensed immediately in the cold air. Still, those that remained persevered. Some thought of their loved ones, elsewhere in the universe. Others remembered good times in the past. Still others drew upon an inner reserve of pure will. Everyone continued to talk and accuse, in hopes of identifying the spirits that blended in among them. As the day continued, those that remained would eventually come to a mental consensus, and a figure was pulled towards the center of the town square, where the throne and spire stood ready. But a swirling ball of emptiness appeared and hid everything from sight. In no time, a scream of pain pierced the air, but nothing could be seen in the darkness. RebirthOfLeGenD, the ??? was lynched Day 3!It is now Night 3. The night will end 2012-01-16 10:00:57. (That's approximately 1 day, 2:54:00 from now.) When i said i would vote at 8:00 my vote was on HoD, I was waiting for RoL to make a defence which i could respond to. He didn't I said i would vote at 8:00. The lynch happened at 7:06. That was not a "soft claim" in any way. You call it a soft claim and then ask for a corrupted townie to claim so that i can be a target because you have decided that i was trying to soft claim corrupted town. You then try to support HoD's sage claim. And then say that this makes me a target because HoD says i was twisted, HoD is a player player who STILL stands a very high chance of being the AoD If he is an Angel he has either 1 or 2 team-mates who have night-actions that can fail if they are on a player who is twisted. Who was more likely to target me last night if HoD is an Angel. The sage or an angel? How does being twisted make me a better lynch target than HoD in any way?
+ Show Spoiler +I am going to quote wiggles now: About voting: On January 05 2012 07:05 Mr. Wiggles wrote: -cut- Don't Hammer. While we don't have to worry about corruption until day three, we should still be careful of keeping the lynch under our control. Always check the vote-count before voting, and always vote in the thread along with your PM to ZBot, so that we can see when you voted, as well as who you voted for, before Zbot the count. No one should be hammering a lynch until later in the day if we can help it, as this will give us the most time for discussion and information gathering.
Those are my thoughts so far after reading the set-up again, and through the thread once. I'm going away for a little bit, but I'll read through the thread again and be back later.
Anyway Refallen:
On January 09 2012 02:30 layabout wrote: Trying to figure out who was voting for who and when, is quite a pain. I think it would be helpful if players would vote, then announce that vote in the thread and attach the zbot vote count at that time to the post, (with their vote in it).
That way we can look back only events clearly and actually analyse it. However this might lead to or force corrupted town to reveals themselves, which they might not wish to do and which might not be in town's best interests.
I suggest that every every 3 votes somebody should attach the vote count at that time (possibly in a spoiler), so that we can look back and have a clear picture of what happened.
@at everyone Do you agree? Should we have a different interval?(for instance 5 votes or every 12 hours) Night 1 i said that players should vote and then attach the zbot count including their vote to the post in which they vote.
By "On previous days" i suppose you mean on day 1? BEFORE I SAID THAT I WOULD CHANGE HOW I VOTE? You are deliberately misleading people and you have been calling me a demon. Why would you do this as town?
On January 08 2012 01:43 layabout wrote:Conclusion:risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum. Vote risk.nukefilters in past games: Election mafia (town)Tl Mafia XLVII (town)Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town)Newbie mini mafia (town)+ nice hotbid post TL Mafia XLV (town) almost no posts day1 You removed the date stamp on my post, here is the quote with the time and date attached plus a link to it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13039009
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On January 16 2012 12:06 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Re: Layabout's case You're right layabout, I should have been cared about the lynch day 2 as much as you did and not place a vote at any point during the day. That shows you care a lot more than I do. I also liked that part where you didn't include this day 1 post of mine and then claim I never gave reasons for why Tyrran was scummy until the large day 2 post I made. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 15:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24. I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him. On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch. TyrranTyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now. His steamship filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176His filter so far this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176##Vote: Tyrran If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with. No, I accused you of being non-aggressive/passive, not of being inactive. Saying that you weren't very active at first in steamship doesn't have any bearing on the argument I am making. Comparing these posts, which were 2 of your first 4 posts in steamship: + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 04:01 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:00 Sabin010 wrote:On November 16 2011 02:37 Zephirdd wrote:On November 16 2011 02:25 Tyrran wrote:On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote: I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting. So you are basically saying : " hey mafia, go lurk and stop posting and you'll be safe from me". I hope you understand how this is suspicious. Gotta agree with Tyrran here. Lurkers are bad for townies. That said, I don't want to just go on "lynch ALL the lurkers!" mode, but at least lynching one or two a day should make them stay in high alert. You know I never thought about it like that. What kind of defense is that ? No, I dont know what is in your head. The only reason you gave for not lynching lurkers is it "I'm sure some of the lurkers are blues". And we are not speaking of lynching them rigth now, but more toward the end of day 1. Not being active is one of the easiest way for mafia player to stay under the radar. we should prevent taht as much as possible. And blues, stay active, dont get lynched. On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote: Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too
##Vote Kenpachi So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously). Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it. ##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: Nisani201And this Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:##Vote: Sabin010
Bad vibes also this - On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote: I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off. On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote: This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same. Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on. You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other. If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day. On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit. We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit ##Vote Nisani201 On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote: We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here. Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy. Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote: Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though. So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ? FoS bumatlarge. to your play so far just seems incredibly different. It reads to me like you are playing scared this game. Scared because you're scum. Don't comment on things you don't know about, it makes you look bad. Show nested quote +Underlined: In steamship, if town had lynched those 7 players you would have killed zephird, Greymist and cyber cheese, since Greymists role is what killed town after the roleclaim then that plan arguably would have won the game, so i don't get what your point is. If we lynched them all in one day the platform collapses and nobody gets lynched instead of all of them getting lynched, wasting an entire day. The OP hinted at this by saying there were dangers in store for a town that lynches too many people in one day, but RoL suggested lynching 7 at once. Show nested quote +his original question was "Hey look - a list! Care to explain anything about it? Lists without reasons are pretty useless filler." I wanted to make the point that given how vague this question was and given that i had raised suspicions about the players in the list i felt that it was redundant question. I then challenged him to make his first real contribution. But alas my inept typing/formatting let me down. And like every other person to lose an argument ever he corrects my grammar and ignores my point. You think a vague question that requires a contribution to answer it is useless, but a vague challenge to make a contribution is good, I see, I see. Show nested quote +Underlined:Clearly a lot of people didn't have null reads on risk nuke as he had reached 9 votes before AND was under a lot of pressure at this time AND was lynched quite a while before the lynch deadline. And not a lot of people here have played 4 out of 4 of their games with risk in them either. What's your point? Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:26 layabout wrote:Grackaroni: In this post his writes a pile of nothing to call HoD scum. my comments have been italicised On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) -a completely null tellAt the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. -asking to not reveal game winning strategies for the other team is weird for town?this strikes me as counter-intuitiveIn Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him -no scumhunting halfway into day 1, applies to a large number of players in this game and isn't necessarily a scummy thing to do.On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. -here he accepts HoD's early posting is null tell-he offers weak "meta analysis" based off of a single game-decides to wait for more information, likely because the case isn't strong enough to justify voting Show nested quote +Emphasises the "Unless you have a counter" part. As if that justifies the don't talk about scum strats in an open setup stance. (it doesn't) So earlier you thought it made sense from a town perspective, now you disagree with it? Show nested quote +bolded: "Don't use meta from my first (but recent) game against me. I have changed. Use meta from a game where i was account sharing day1 when you try to analyse my day1 play, or use meta from another game". The "I've obviously adjusted my play" really doesn't hold weight given how few games he has played. Earlier it was weak to use it, now it is fine, I see... Show nested quote +The sage on the other hand probably shouldn't claim unless he has 2 demons identified. If he claims with only one identified, 0% chance of reducing kp or reducing the corruption ability, demons have a roleblock ability, angels can kill the sage to make demons a larger threat to town thereby reducing focus on them. Still gain information obviously, but overall seems like a much weaker play than the seer claiming after finding an angel. The above was a statement I made day 1. Show nested quote +When he said just that the sage should not claim without two "demon" results? If he was the sage it would make sense to add, "if they are going to be lynched then the sage should claim" because that is what he claims he is doing now. According to day1 HoD the sage should not have claimed in day 3 HoD's position. Day3 HoD had zero demons identified. The demon role-blocker is dead, and I had about 45 minutes to defend myself from a lynch before I had to leave again, clearly I should have not claimed and died instead. Makes perfect sense. Show nested quote +top part just isn't valid. + you had no reason to mash your keyboard as if the other person is wrong and can't see it because you are wrong. I needed something that started with a g to continue my breadcrumb. Keyboard mashing was the easiest g beginning I could come up with that made sense in the context Show nested quote +He posts what i think are townreads? Which is odd because he has called Spack and BL scum RoL is getting lynched instead of him, he hasn't commented on jackal other than (he was right about Palmar) and he then starts to attack me.. It clearly states scum reads, but I guess I should know by now not to expect much reading comprehension from you. ...in fact in the same post you post the correct interpretation: Show nested quote +You then post very little to called Zephird, one of your bottom 6 un-town-like Why contradict yourself within the same post? I can respond to more points of it if needed, but I think that is sufficient for now. DOES ANYBODY BUY ANY OF THIS CRAP?
DID ANYBODY READ MY CASE?
WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR HOD?
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On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 4 Lynch.
With 10 alive, 6 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
layabout (1): Blazinghand
HarbingerOfDoom (1): layabout
Refallen (0): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
The Day 4 deadline is at 2012-01-18 10:00:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 6:42:30 from now.) ##Vote HoD
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Re: Layabout's case
You're right layabout, I should have been cared about the lynch day 2 as much as you did and not place a vote at any point during the day. That shows you care a lot more than I do.
I also liked that part where you didn't include this day 1 post of mine and then claim I never gave reasons for why Tyrran was scummy until the large day 2 post I made. statements like this only make sense if the reader does not posses the ability to think critically.
He insinuates that because he voted for Tyrran (who was NOT getting lynched in a month of sundays) and that i didn't vote that that mean that he cared about the lynch more than i did.
On January 11 2012 01:12 layabout wrote: I will be voting for risk nuke. I am going to wait until closer to the deadline before i vote. I dislike the reasons given for lynching RoL.
Now I need to go do some work.
On January 11 2012 01:41 layabout wrote: careful adding more votes, it would be stupid to end the day so soon
I then spent time criticising the case against RoL at the time. RoL had 5 votes and the case was just bad, i tried to explain this.
On January 11 2012 04:52 layabout wrote: EBWOP that was meant to be a spoiler not a quote-tag my last post before the lynch. On January 12 2012 01:19 layabout wrote: Hey guys! mind explaining to me why you hammered the lynch 10+ hours early? the time i get back to the thread
I had expressed my opinions very clearly. I had no control over the lynch, it happened while i did not get computer access.
you placed a throw-away vote on tyrran and avoided mentioning risk nuke or RoL like the plague.
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On January 16 2012 12:06 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Re: Layabout's case
You're right layabout, I should have been cared about the lynch day 2 as much as you did and not place a vote at any point during the day. That shows you care a lot more than I do.
I also liked that part where you didn't include this day 1 post of mine and then claim I never gave reasons for why Tyrran was scummy until the large day 2 post I made. statements like this only make sense if the reader does not posses the ability to think critically. EBWOP ^ + HoD's defence is misleading and i have posted in great detail why i think he is scum.
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ARE ANY OF YOU FUCKERS THERE?
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On January 10 2012 23:52 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 23:11 Tyrran wrote:On January 10 2012 21:56 Cwave wrote: Why i ask is because i find it a given you post protown stuff as ... town. To articulate it and stress it that you are gonna be pro-town leads me to believe you are forcing yourself to do pro-town stuff. You should read Steamship Mafia Day 1. If townies only posted pro-town stuff, this game would be so much easier. On January 10 2012 22:10 syllogism wrote:Tyrran: is this the reason you find jackal scummy? Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Now that Palmar flipped demon, you still think he is a good lynch today? Sorry, there is no way you can honestly believe that. What I did not like on Jackal filter is that he hardly gave any reasoning for his hyper agression. He tunnelled on palmar, and did not even had the sligthtest reaction when MrWiggle made a solid case on Palmar. This is wy he looks scummy to me. It was better towards the end of day 2, and Palmar flipped scum, so i was about to let go on him, but then he does exactly the same thing on dirkzor day 2. Should you ask me if we should lynch him now, I'd answer no. Both Cwave and risk are more scummy. Yet I want to keep an eye on him. You'll get used to me. Palmar was obv scum. Nothing Wiggles said either expanded nor contradicted my belief that Palmar was scum. Dirkzor is also scum. It's also obvious to me why. I explained part of it day 1. His lack of interest or caring if he lynches town or scum that is evident from one of his only posts during this day cycle merely reinforces my beliefs. I assume you guys read the same drivel from the same people I do. I lack the ability and desire to write a thesis on everybody I see as scummy. I point it out and assume you guys are smart enough to see it too with out me interjecting 300 lines of rhetoric and hyperbola. Jackal, given what you have read so far, do you think that assuming people in this thread can be relied upon to figure out what is scummy benefits town at all? could you please make an effort to help people make the correct lynch today?
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On January 17 2012 05:07 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 20:30 Blazinghand wrote: The other thing this means is that town has 5 votes, angels have 2 votes, and the demons have 3 votes, including mine.
This means that the town cannot win a vote today unless we have the help of one of the scum teams. I have some nominal control over my vote until the demons mess with it, meaning that assuming they're afraid of WIFOM or something, they probably won't actually manipulate my vote since they're afraid of giving something away. Their goal is to kill an angel or the DH today and get up to 4 votes out of 8 or 7 tomorrow, controlling the town vote.
;_; i'm unclear on where to go here guys By lynching any scum, we are helping the other team. Rigth now, as it has been stated before, our best chance to win is to lynch an angel and hope that the DT manage to kill a demon.
I'm afraid Syllo was seer, and with no angel check, we are in trouble. You said you had a non-dark sense last nigth. Now that you have claimed, I think you should tell us who it is. It cant be the DT, and HoD is likely the sage ( either that or the angeglic observer). There are at least two ( possibly 3) angels left, and 2 VT left. A non dark read is an at least 50% chance of being an angel. While not enough for lynching, I think we should have a close look at your non dark sense.
Concerning the layabout case. Even if HoD is the observer and not the sage, layabout being twisted is a very strong Demon tell. But we can deal with him at night ( Demons have no protection against DH). For the lynch, let's focus on a angel. Hey guys why don't we ignore the fact that i am an excellent target for the DH because i have yet to make a real contribution to the thread and instead have the DH KILL THE MOST PROTOWN PLAYER IN THE THREAD INSTEAD OF ME (psst i am town and a dh hit would kill me)
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How about one of you lazy expletive removed makes an actual case against me rather than saying that scum suspect number 1 and probable Angel of Death HoD said layabout was twisted and i think that layabout giving a time that he would re-cast his vote by was him soft - claiming corrupted town so he must be a demon.?
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HoD has not been cleared of (what was a very strong chance) being the AoD. Lame speculation based argument that you seem to prefer to analysis: + Show Spoiler +Syllogism believed that Mr. Wiggles was the sage.Syllogism believed that HoD was an Angel.
If syllogism was a demon then the demons could have twisted him and 100% protected him from an angel hit. If syllogism was an angel then the angels had no reason to kill him.
The plus channeller would have know that by protecting syllogism 2 days in a row (if Palmar transported day1 then channeller could still save syllogism) when everyone knows that the courier was dead syllogism would have no protection on the next night. Given the no-AoD kill and likelihoods of HoD or Syllo being banished and the fact that syllo wanted to lynch risk nuke (who isn't an angel) AoD-ing syllogism night 2 would have been very risky move for angels.
If Wiggles was the channeller then he condemned a town syllogism to death last night. Do you really think he would do that?
We can fairly safely assume that syllogism was town. We can therefore look at his posts knowing they were from a town syllogism that was disappointed in how town was playing, but that his posts were made from the point of somebody who was-town aligned. Syllogism believed that HoD's sage claim was not only a lie but a valid claim for angels to make. Syllogism puts actual thought into his reads, do you? I have said why i find the sage claim rubbish http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13154469
We do not know if the sage is alive. If the sage is alive they might not wish to claim, particularly if they don't have any "demon" results.
I criticised what i felt was a case that i think town could not have legitimately got behind. I did not know that Palmar would flip scum, and criticising wiggles case and pushing my own case is not something that you can say makes me scummy, because it makes complete sense when look at from the perspective of me being town, and similarly makes sense if looked at from teh perspective of my being a demon, (it is however a risky thing to do as scum)
Without the banish we are still left in a situation in which HoD has a very high chance of being the AoD.
Tunnel my left bum-cheek. On day 2 the reason we lynched RoL over HoD was that banishing HoD would let us confirm that he wasn't the AoD and we would be able to use that to-re-asses the case on HoD.
Look at my case on HoD look at how HoD is behaving. It makes complete sense for him to act this way if he is an angel, especially the AoD. His "layabout was twisted" claim has been the basis for thinking i might be scum.
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I have caught the angel of death and you are letting him get away from the lynch. Since i am town i know i am not an angel. If you think i am a demon + Show Spoiler +because you cannot think critically then you think i am not an angel. If you think i am town then you think i am not an angel. Unless anybody actually thinks i am an angel i think it is fair to say that no-matter what lynching me will not kill an angel.
If you were to lynch me this means that town absolutely must lynch an angel tomorrow or face very probable doom.
We have 0 angel flips so far and if we do not kill an angel today or tomorrow then they will almost certainly win: (assuming the angels do not hit twisted players) today: 10 players alive 2 or 3 are angels: In 2 days: 2 lynches on non-angels 8 players alive - 2 or 3 angels, 2 AoD kills 6 players alive 2 or 3 angels 2 no-flips up 2 to demon hunter kills 4-6 players alive 2 or 3 angels up to two (unlikely) Acolyte kills 2-6 players alive 2 or 3 angels + Show Spoiler +of course if the DH were to not shoot then the demons would stand a very good chance of winning, and the angels would have less of a chance
You:"layabout that is fearmongering" Me: "It's the truth"
Even if you think i am a demon, the optimal play is to kill an angel either today or tomorrow. By lynching me you essentially ensure lylo tomorrow. And it is the angels who who win. You cannot allow HoD to get away with this. (plus there is not a substantial/considerable/valid/strong/reasonable/sensible/logical/coherent/anyoftheabove case on me)
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How about (since the only thing against me is the claim made by the AoD) the DH doesn't kill me?
How about the real sage if they are alive takes care of BH?
How about we lynch HoD the scummiest player in the thread and make decisions after he flips Like the Angel of death he is?
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what happened to analysis? TT
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BH if you were a demon would you accept that offer? + if you are faking then this is hilarious If you are town would you care to analyse some players? (and then vote HoD because my points are still spot-on)
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Why would the demon hunter kill a player based on the belief that they are a corrupted town? If you are a corrupted town: You might have a blue role You count against the Angels win condition The demons will only have 2-4 votes tomorrow (its slightly possible they are all dead but very unlikely) You can investigate players and get dark or not dark. You are a town aligned force in the thread +killing you would not kill a demon + it would not hit and fail against an angel
Why would the demons give up their information advantage and hand town the win?
Your play has had major flaws that i am sure will be highlighted post-game, you could be doing anything as town for a whole host of barely-reasons.
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in a 3 faction game each faction plays to their own win condition or faces the banlist.
if you are asking the demons to help town win instead of letting the angels win, the demons will not acheive their win condition either way.
so why would they help you? it isn't in their interest.
GUYS IT ISN'T TO LATE TO USE BEHAVIOURAL ANALYSIS.
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If we take a look at what we know: 10 players live Demons have at most a concealer with no power and a twister. Wiggles, Syllogism, and RoL have flipped ???? The demons know what RoL was. The AoD is still alive HoD claims the twister targeted me last night. HoD claims sage. You claim that you are the corrupted town and you know a player is "not dark" The DH was alive last night. The demons have no protection against the DH. There are only two lynch candidates: HoD: who was essentially dead and VERY likely the AoD, was spared who claimed sage, and then claimed his accusor was protected by demons. Me: his (remaining) accusor,
It would require phenomenal demon play phenomenally bad town play, and phenomenally worse town play for demons to win.
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Why are you even playing Grack?
Syllo was also arguing that I was scum-buddies with RoL, a scenario that is now known by all to be 100% impossible, so don't go using his assumptions as the basis for your argument. I don't care whether you are demon or town right now, all I know is you are not an angel, and I am not an angel, and we really must kill an angel today. So let's do that, shall we? Hell, if you think I am an angel so much, please point out one of my angel scum buddies and let's lynch the shit out of him, ok? how is it 100% possible I think lynching the AoD is optimal, when you consider that no-one else has made an effort to find scum and that my effort has been defeated by "layabout was twisted last night" i see no point in trying to do more(yet i continue to ), as all it takes to stay alive in this thread is to sheep, barely post, not try, prove repeatedly that you have not read the OP, avoid taking stances and believe anything and everything that other players who also do this say.
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