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Blazinghand
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In every case he made, it took a lot of pressure to get the man to commit. For most of this game, Grack is non-committal. Why does he hide in the shadows so? Why does he lurk? + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 04:26 Grackaroni wrote: fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise  On January 11 2012 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch. RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town. The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits. risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life. With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch. ##Vote: risk.nuke Even his attack on me (and his defense of RoL) is couched in unclear, uncertain terminology to take the edge off it: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 00:18 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think BH is nearly as pro-town as people think he is. There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts. He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty) You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like. Your play is legitimately worse than in Student. I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started. @BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch. He also tries to disrupt my communication with the demons, after I've clearly laid out a method of communication with them: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 07:49 Grackaroni wrote: Why don't the demons just reveal RoL's flip, it will help us make a better decision and help you're team overall. You guys want an angel lynch just as badly as we do, use BH to vote on Tyrran if he was channeler, Use BH to vote on dirkzor if he was scum That way we know for sure whether we need to lynch HoD or not. A mislynch is BAD for your team today, give us the information and we can avoid it. Communicating with the demons via corrupted townies is allowed right? Now I'm going to talk about his interactions with Jackal. Although he vaguely talks about Jackal once or twice, here are the only two posts in which he meaningfully interacts with Jackal: On January 14 2012 10:47 Grackaroni wrote: @Jackal: I thought you wanted to lynch dirkzor? Why BL and not dirkzor... @Refallen: my vote is the 4th one there. double check before posting. The idea itself is good though, I would be happy to lynch RoL or spaackle and to banish HoD to purgatory. On January 18 2012 08:39 Grackaroni wrote: Jackal has as good chances of being angel as Tyrran/Dirkzor/Bluelightz. As long as we get a majority we've got this. ##Vote:Jackal58 So, the first one is some really low-aggression pressure on Jackal. I don't consider that a point in Grack's favor. The fact that nothing else is actually a direct interaction with Jackal is somewhat disconcerting, but on the other hand, Jackal didn't post very much. The second one actually seems like it might be an instance of anti-angel action by Grack. But look at the context before it: How hesitant and slow he is! How clueless! Jackal has to tell him! He did end up becoming instrumental in lynching Jackal, but if you take a look, he slaps down his vote and leaves the thread at about the same time Jackal stops trying to defend himself. It's possible that at this moment, these two decided in their QT that it was time to bus and that there was no way Jackal was avoiding the noose. That's my case on Grack. It's what I got. I made this case rather than a case on, say, Zeph, because Grack seemed more suspicious to me before I started reading his filter. That being said, trust nobody. Discuss this a lot. Make cases on everyone who is scummy. Find the scum mistakes and scum behavior and drag them out into the sunlight. Have constant vigilance. | ||
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Blazinghand
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By the way, I fully anticipated a heated and interesting discussion tomorrow. Don't just be all like "we're gonna lynch grack" unless you think he's the best lynch out of the unconfirmed towns. *I* think he is the best lynch, but I'm probably not gonna be alive to make a vote tomorrow. In the event of Gracks' innocence: Grack, as a town player, I want you to try as hard as possible to get the scum lynched. That'll start with you trying to make a solid case on someone else and thereby exonerate yourself. It is your responsibility to do so. Like, anything we can do to generate evidence and put pressure on the final angel is good. The worst possible scenario is a silent day in which someone gets lynched. I want a heated discussion. I want fingers pointed. I want people making analysis and reading filters. Scumhunting Who was pro RoL or anti RoL? And more importantly, what were the reasons they gave, and were they on the fence? remember the angels didn't know the demons would mask that lynch. During the whole Jackal debacle, and my attempts to commune with the demons, what were people doing? There won't be that many people left alive. Filters won't be too long with me dead, either :D I guarantee you that right now, the last angel has already revealed himself. This game has been long enough that it's possible to find it out just based on analyzing and discussing tomorrow. I'm sure he's slipped up somewhere. Confirmed Townies Lastly, remember that it's not strictly true that there are tons of confirmed towns. Refallen is confirmed due to his called shots, and I'm basically confirmed via my senses, vote on Jackal, sense on Tyrran. HoD isn't actually confirmed unless he confirms Bluelightz-- in which case, it's very unlikely that the two of them are lying since there's probably only 1 angel. The people who have the most information (assuming that Bluelightz and HoD are both what they say they are) are actually the unconfirmed townies. See, you know your own alignment, which nobody else knows. For you, there is one less possible scum suspect than there is for Refallen. Use your information advantage. scumhunt as hard as possible. We are not currently in a "town wins for sure" scenario. Yes, we have 3 bites at the apple, but this is an apple that could take more than 3 bites to eat. Scumhunt. Read filters. Make cases. Keep the thread active. Good luck, town. Don't let your guard down. | ||
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Think about how angst-ridden she was, asking WHY her lover exists! The pain their forbidden passion brings her is so great! | ||
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EDIT: Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/gWLc45bnmdC65 | ||
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On January 22 2012 01:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I really don't understand what the point of a breadcrumb (in the way HoD did it) as town is. You breadcrumb your results as town, not your role, because anyone can breadcrumb any role they want. The whole point of breadcrumbing is so that, if you're shot by mafia, town can reread your posts and find your targets and the results. Of course with the current state of the TL meta townies don't really have to worry much about scum fakeclaims, because scum are fucking lazy, but honestly if scum play improves a tiny bit, townies will get shafted sooooo hard by that crumbing business. Jk jk jk | ||
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Blazinghand
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On January 22 2012 02:16 layabout wrote: The actual case on RoL was poor. It did not show how what he had done was scummy. I consider the case on RoL to be THE thing I did right this game. I looked at his actions and motivations and found they were incongruent with him being a town player. The only possible reasoning was that he was scum. The fact that it took so much effort from me to actually get him lynched is disheartening, but I'm glad we got it done. | ||
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Like, why do you think I pushed him so hard? I sat down and thought about what could motivate someone to suggest a plan like that, and the ONLY thing I could think of was "well, he must be scum." No other explanation made sense. There's NO way he would suggest that plan without being a mafia player. As soon as I realized this, I decided I would bury RoL at all costs regardless of what anyone said. | ||
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Blazinghand
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The logic there seems impeccable. EDIT: Like, given that everyone thought the plan hurt town, I'm amazed we didn't just dogpile him and lynch him right away after he suggested it. Srsly. | ||
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