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On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts.
All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me.
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous.
@jackal, erandorr, xsksc and RebirthOfLeGenD
Planning on doing...anything? Posting things would be appreciated.
@refallen
In election mafia I was only able to clear you on the basis of you figuring out exactly what scum had done in several situations when pointing it out was solely detrimental to scum. That is not the most reliable way of establishing your innocence if you are in fact town. Do you have a lynch target yet?
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On January 06 2012 05:39 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous. It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in.
Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-)
@Grackaroni
Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building.
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- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow.
And that's the bare minimum, not the recommended amount. Seriously people, this feels like a maybe 8 player game with some random cameo appearances thrown in.
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On January 06 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 06:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:- You most post in the thread at least once every 24 hours. Your role may also include other activity requirements which you must follow. And that's the bare minimum, not the recommended amount. Seriously people, this feels like a maybe 8 player game with some random cameo appearances thrown in. Who are you addressing? Call them out.
Well, most people in this game. I pointed out the 4 worst offenders here:
@jackal, erandorr, xsksc and RebirthOfLeGenD
Planning on doing...anything? Posting things would be appreciated.
But people like mr wiggles, tyrran, zephirdd, cwave, and I am sure there are some others as well, would also be nice to hear more from.
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@Grackaroni:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 09:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 06 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:HarbingerofDoom is my scum pick. He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me. That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 05:50 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 06 2012 05:39 risk.nuke wrote:On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@risk.nuke
Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? The "everyone looks town!" is surely incriminating, but I am not finding the carefree being incriminating. Why would town get nervous when accused? They know they are innocent. Explaining themselves, yes, but I know I get annoyed, not nervous. It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in. Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-) @Grackaroni Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building. the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. Yes, I give your opinion less weight than I give syllo's. If you want to change that, be correct as often as he is over the course of many games. I am often around, as I work from a computer all day, but my availability fluctuates. I found out about this game through a PM for early signups from Zona, so yes I found out about it pretty early, I don't see what that has to do with anything. If you check when I usually start posting during the day, you will find that it is often around the time you posted your accusations against me. I am not holding back in my posts, I just like to get at least something from everyone before I really start making judgements. If you actually cared, you could easily look up my more recent play and you'd find that I tend to ask a lot of questions during games and I don't usually do a ton of case-building day 1 and realize your meta-argument is useless. If you think inactivity is a scum tell for me, be sure to read day 1 of election mafia. I did roughly nothing, I was town. Basically what I am trying to say is, you are wasting time/effort tunneling me and I'd appreciate it if you put in the effort needed to realize that. Speaking of asking questions, you ignored my question regarding bluelightz.
Anyway, on to more useful topics. Re: Palmar
I agree that his lack of activity is suspicious and rather out of the ordinary for him, but I am wondering if it is worthwhile to risk lynching a potentially very strong scum-hunter on the grounds of not caring this early into the game. I know of at least one other game where he didn't take day 1 very seriously (XVIII I think it was?). If that is the only one, than obviously his play so far is more damning than if he does this every so often. If any of the vets could fill me in on whether or not he has messed around day 1 in other games as well it would be appreciated. I'd also like to hear syllo's opinion on the matter, since if I am not mistaken syllo is usually quite good at reading Palmar. (If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me)
@Refallen
You seem more aggressive/bold in your defense than the past two games of yours that I just took a quick look back at. Have any explanation in particular for that?
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On January 06 2012 12:34 Refallen wrote:
Hi Harbringer, yes actually, there is. I've been wanting to play more aggressive since I kinda got tired of being forced to passively defend in election mafia. I made several references to this in both election mafia and in this thread I think.
Ah, you are correct. My apologies, I tend to not pay attention to pre/post game posts for determining a player's meta, for obvious reasons.
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Hey Zephirdd, what is your opinion of Grackaroni and of Tyrran so far?
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@Wiggles
I am not saying keep him alive until late game. As stated, I know of at least one game he was in recently where he did basically nothing day 1. Past day 1 is quite a different story. A day 2 useless Palmar is definitely a scum Palmar. Also, I thought we had only 72 hours, but apparently we have 91 hours day 1. That makes me feel a bit better about establishing whether or not Palmar will be useful this game before the lynch occurs, less chance of being able to account for his lack of interest solely due to some RL issue coming up.
But, as I stated: I know of at least one other game where he didn't take day 1 very seriously (XVIII I think it was?). If that is the only one, than obviously his play so far is more damning than if he does this every so often. If any of the vets could fill me in on whether or not he has messed around day 1 in other games as well it would be appreciated. So a decent way to solidify my stance on him would be by answering that question if you could.
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On January 06 2012 15:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 14:20 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@Wiggles I am not saying keep him alive until late game. As stated, I know of at least one game he was in recently where he did basically nothing day 1. Past day 1 is quite a different story. A day 2 useless Palmar is definitely a scum Palmar. Also, I thought we had only 72 hours, but apparently we have 91 hours day 1. That makes me feel a bit better about establishing whether or not Palmar will be useful this game before the lynch occurs, less chance of being able to account for his lack of interest solely due to some RL issue coming up. But, as I stated: I know of at least one other game where he didn't take day 1 very seriously (XVIII I think it was?). If that is the only one, than obviously his play so far is more damning than if he does this every so often. If any of the vets could fill me in on whether or not he has messed around day 1 in other games as well it would be appreciated. So a decent way to solidify my stance on him would be by answering that question if you could. As far as I remember, I have not seen him play a game as town where he has not played aggressively and forcefully, starting day 1. Every game I've played with him, he's either called someone out quickly, been quick to shoot down bad play, or tunneled someone into the ground if he's been town. This is not the Palmar I'm used to playing with as town. Also keep in mind, that most games only have 48 hour days, and he has already spent more than that time continuing to act the way he has.
Thanks for the info.
@Syllo
Could you please answer this as well? Spoilered in case it is not clear what question I am referring to.
+ Show Spoiler + I know of at least one other game where he didn't take day 1 very seriously (XVIII I think it was?). If that is the only one, than obviously his play so far is more damning than if he does this every so often. If any of the vets could fill me in on whether or not he has messed around day 1 in other games as well it would be appreciated.
I read your earlier exchange with him, and he mentioned steamship as an example of his lazy early game town play, but in that game he became very active before the 48 hour mark, which has already passed here. Do you think Palmar is likely to flip scum?
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Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24.
I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him.
On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch.
Tyrran
Tyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now.
His steamship filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176
His filter so far this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176
##Vote: Tyrran
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@Palmar
Do you really think a post like this makes it sound like you care very much about this game?
On January 07 2012 07:03 Palmar wrote:
whatever. im moving my vote to eran. someone pointed out pushing me like that day 1 is risky. if i get lynched itll at least be a lesson in why listening to meta that has nothing to do with alignment is dumb as fuck. It sounds rather apathetic to me.
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On January 07 2012 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24. I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him. On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch. TyrranTyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now. His steamship filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176His filter so far this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176##Vote: Tyrran So you are voting Tyrran based on Meta instead of Erandorr who you think is likely to be scum due to being a lurker?
Yes, because I think Tyrran is more likely to be scum than Erandorr at this time.
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On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24. I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him. On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch. TyrranTyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now. His steamship filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176His filter so far this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176##Vote: Tyrran If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with.
No, I accused you of being non-aggressive/passive, not of being inactive. Saying that you weren't very active at first in steamship doesn't have any bearing on the argument I am making.
Comparing these posts, which were 2 of your first 4 posts in steamship:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 04:01 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 03:00 Sabin010 wrote:On November 16 2011 02:37 Zephirdd wrote:On November 16 2011 02:25 Tyrran wrote:On November 16 2011 01:59 Sabin010 wrote:
I agree about lynching liars, but if we're lynching lurkers because they're not active just doesn't seem to be a good way to go about this. If some one proposes we lynch a lurker, I'm not voting. So you are basically saying : " hey mafia, go lurk and stop posting and you'll be safe from me". I hope you understand how this is suspicious. Gotta agree with Tyrran here. Lurkers are bad for townies. That said, I don't want to just go on "lynch ALL the lurkers!" mode, but at least lynching one or two a day should make them stay in high alert. You know I never thought about it like that. What kind of defense is that ? No, I dont know what is in your head. The only reason you gave for not lynching lurkers is it "I'm sure some of the lurkers are blues". And we are not speaking of lynching them rigth now, but more toward the end of day 1. Not being active is one of the easiest way for mafia player to stay under the radar. we should prevent taht as much as possible. And blues, stay active, dont get lynched. On November 16 2011 20:07 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too
##Vote Kenpachi So you were a fervent defender of only lynching 'scummy' lurkers. And now you suddenly decide to vote for kenpachi without giving any reason Could you please detail a bit more on why you like kenpachi as a vote, other than the fact that he did not post much ? His townie claim basically does not mean anything Keeping an eyes on lurkers is good, but i would wait to the end on day 1(the last 24 hours) before voting for one of them. It seems to me that blanket voting this early on day one can only lead us divide our attention. Voting for someone whenever he says something strange without trying to pressure him more/confirm him as scum is a great way to lynch a lot of townies and seems to be a good strategy for the mafia side, but not that great for town ( obviously). Bumatlarge espescially has been trying to push the town into lynching as many people as possible. Almost each one of his post include a quote on how we should lynch every single player. Spoiler below shows some example from this filter : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=31777+ Show Spoiler +On November 16 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote:Why would you FoS when you can just vote them. Don't be pansies. Realized I didn't properly vote. I doubt I will ever take my vote off of kenpachi, it's not that I don't like him, but he is not an asset to the town at the moment, or the forseeable future. Nisani has proceeded to call me dumb or scum, but that doesn't change the fact that his fluffy posts stick out, so it will stay there until he remedies it. ##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Nisani201And this Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 05:13 Drazerk wrote:##Vote: Sabin010
Bad vibes also this - On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off. On November 16 2011 01:06 Sabin010 wrote:
This is my first game and im not sure of all the terms. I thought scum, mob, and mafia are the same. Is why LAL is bad. What possible reason would cause mafia to post this instead of town. By all means keep up the detective work and checking out all the inconsistencies, but use a little sense. This definetely contradicts itself, and it could very well be an intentional lie, but even that doesn't make him scum. The bad strategy reason tht DCL brought up is actually something to go on. You are pushing your luck by trying to find lies a day into the game. Use that energy to filter a suspicious person instead and get a general vibe, and see if their future posts push you one way or the other. If there wasn't a majority lynch in play, I'd put my vote on everyone, and start taking off people who don't register as scum. That's about how many people I think should be lynched each day. On November 16 2011 02:32 bumatlarge wrote:Next person that mentions LAL is getting a vote placed on them. Seriously enough with the useless shit. We will be lynching however many scummy people we can find on the particular day. We are restricting ourselves when we don't have a clue as to what our boundaries are.Nisani has posted complete fluff and none of it shows any effort in actually heling town. I don't think the new people are brain-dead, so unless the specifically ask about something, don't use them as an excuse to post asinine shit. Oh, hi kibbibit  ##Vote Nisani201 On November 16 2011 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:
We got 48 hours from now, right? This time tomorrow we need to look at the votes and see where people stand. I'm honestly surprised how few votes there are, you get as many as you want, a decent townie can take advantage of this. There is no comparing how scummy certain players are to others, you just lynch them or you don't. I guess it's still early, and I'm still fishing for reads here. Oh and surprise, the only post not advocating to lynch the entire town is to defend chaoser, the ONLY person that agreed with the 'vote for everyone' strategy, after he got pressured by WBG. And by defending him, he explains than chaoser should stop doing just what he was advocating the town to do i.e: vote for everyone that seems scummy. Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 12:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Welcome to WBG logic. But that doesn't make what he says untrue, I think chaoser should focus his attention more and prove singleton cases rather then babble on about everything. Doubt he's scum though. So you spend all your post explaining we should vote for anyone who seems scummy, and you defend chaoser that was doing exactly that by saying "he should focus his attention more". How is that not a huge contradiction ? FoS bumatlarge.
to your play so far just seems incredibly different. It reads to me like you are playing scared this game. Scared because you're scum.
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On January 07 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
@Bluelightz: You had suspicion on you early in the game, but after that it's felt like you've disappeared. What are your thoughts right now? Who do you want to lynch?
Right now, I am suspicious of Grackaroni due to his Wishy-washyness with his reads.I think that since there's no real candidate for lynching I am fine with lynching a lurker, but if a solid case does pop up i'm fine with switching over I don't have suspicions on Palmar/you after Palmar's defense though.
What do you think of Tyrran, have you looked at his play so far here, compared to his game as town in steamship (at least the first page of his filter)? Do you think the case has any merit?
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Unfortunately I will not be around for the lynch deadline. As stated previously, I am also fine with an Erandorr lynch, so I will be switching my vote to him now as I don't want a no-lynch to occur. Sorry, no birthday sympathy from me. He has shown no commitment to this game, and it is my understanding that this makes him very likely to be scum.
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Hmm, should have stayed on Tyrran I guess. Ah well, based on his effort so far in this game/in election mafia, nothing of value was lost (at least not beyond the worth of another warm body).
I'm still interested in Tyrran as a lynch target, and I would like to hear more people's opinions of him.
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On January 08 2012 13:54 Zephirdd wrote:
Alright. Even drunken than before. fuck backspace
So, hjrere is what i thnik. Erandorr case 3was weak, risknuke seemed like a better lynch, but even him I think wasmt good enough. Demon Hunter could try to shoot Palmar tonight IMO. MrWiggles doesnt look too scum eithner. I dont think Tyrran is a good kill, in fact he is playinmg just like his meta.
TYhese are my thoughts. Also, beer is a fucking good drink, you should try it if yopu havent. It's soooooooooo gooooooooood
Then who do you think is a good lynch target?
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Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead? Now, I can't speak for the people throwing suspicion on me, but I sure as hell don't know risk's alignment, and unless they somehow do, I don't see how it can be implicate me as being scum. Anyone trying to implicate me on this before risk flips is using shitty logic. If risk flips scum and then you want to come after me, then you have some logic on your side. I did not vote for risk nor comment on it much as I had (and still have) a null read on risk. Risk has been in every game I've played on here, and his play-style has varied too much from game to game for me to be comfortable with a day 1 read on him.
On January 08 2012 20:31 syllogism wrote:
Harbingerofdoom's refusal to vote for Risk seems quite bad as well. He is still ignoring risk and not really explaining why.
On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch.
@RebirthOfLegend
Demons ignore the blues, angels target two, they have a 50% chance of killing the channeler night 1, second night they get him for sure. Best case scenario is we have one blue alive after night 2, worst case they are all dead night 2. In the meantime we roleblock one of our own blues. Alternately, they ignore blues with the angel of death, use that kill on our best scum hunters and use the acolyte on our blues. Also, this plan ignores the possibility of a blue deciding not to go along with it and claim. Basically, I think the plan is quite bad.
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On January 09 2012 04:30 syllogism wrote:
You are still pretending that the case against risk was purely meta and it most certainly was not. You are repeating the same misrepresentations that risk used, making you look worse. Moreover the case against Erandorr was pure meta and you were fine with voting for him based on just that. A lot of things were even said about risk.nuke since you made that post. What do you think about him now?
Anyway, we will certainly want to see risk flip first and you have a chance to step up regardless, but I do believe your stance regarding risk nuke has been suspicious
I am not pretending it is pure meta. I am saying his meta confuses the shit out of me so I am not confident in my read on him. And my post said what I think of him now.
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On January 09 2012 04:45 Dirkzor wrote:
See, all i have is your word for it.
But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...
That's dumb.Lynching Palmar is fine, but if he flips town that doesn't mean you lynch syllo.
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