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On January 18 2012 07:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:05 Zephirdd wrote:oh and I forgot People willing to vote for him: Dirkzor, Bluelightz listed him as a scummy target, Zephirdd, Layabout, Tyrran pushed him as potential scum. No fucking way this list is clean. No shit sherlock, we need demons to lynch angels this game. You know what is common on this list? Nobody here looks Angel to me. And how can you make an assertion about who is the DH, when the DH shot only obvious targets(maybe a bit less on Palmar, but was an excellent shot nevertheless) As far as we know, Jackal is the DH. Not everyone agreed they were obvious targets. I've been trying to avoid overlapping with the demon-hunter's shots, I haven't done it by not looking for the demon hunter. The odds of Jackal being the demon hunter and not having stabbed dirkzor over cwave or spaackle I would rate at near 0%.
Good point there. Still, Cwave/Spaackle were obvious targets. Not everyone agreed they were the best lynch targets, but if the DH is smart he killed them because he thought they were possibly scum given the cases on the thread. A good DH wouldn't even kill someone he mentioned in order to hind himself, but right here I'm just speculating.
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How are you still making meta game cases so far into the game ? But that is not the matter now.
I'm thinking of voting for refallen. I've explained before that his case against dirzkor no longer hold, and still he wanted him lynched. PLus he was pushing for demon lynch, which is the most angel tell IMHO. I also dont think the demon hunter would act this way. The DH should have known that we need to lynch angels and not demons as of now.
His filter has nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Your argument for not voting him is only based on the list of people pushing for him. That's not enough for me. Right now, I think he is a better lynch over dirzkor.
##vote Refallen
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Wiggles was seer and Syllo was what? demon? vt?
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On January 18 2012 07:12 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:08 Zephirdd wrote:On January 18 2012 07:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 18 2012 06:58 Zephirdd wrote:also Jackal.. Have you forgotten me? I was so used to your devoted attention!
Assuming Wiggles was town, and i assume that, it puts more pressure on RoL. That was the last person that Wiggles talked about (and attacking me about). Combine that with a wall-of-text case that is actually not very big in terms of content I see RoL as more scummy then before he started scumhunting. His case is just not good, its just long so it appears to be good/solid. Long is not always better. Is not WIFOM. For something to be WIFOM, you need to create a full circle. Here he makes the assumption that Wiggles is town, and rightfully so(killed by angels, was the first to attack the Demon Palmar). It also shows him changing his mind not immediately on RoL's case, and with a reason(connects MrWiggles' killed-by-angels with his case on RoL). Nah, your case sucks. They killed wiggles, he was suspicious of RoL, therefore RoL is more likely to be scum is the logic he used. This is most certainly WIFOM. From the mafiascum wiki: Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. So you mean that the Angels could've killed Mr wiggles so that it would mean we lynch RoL with that? So, by that logic, RoL was possibly town? Do you realize that if RoL was town, you are scum? He made the simplest possible assumption. The problem would be if he made a more complicated assumption("...but the Angels may have killed him with that in mind") RoL and I both being town is not impossible. It would just mean that Wiggles was neither the channeler nor the sage. He still could have been the seer or vanilla.
WHAT?!
Someone had to be the Channeler, and it Had to be RoL or MrWiggles. If it was syllogism(the last ??? flip), you'd have been jailed last night.
Honestly, the more you post the more I think we are about to lynch an Angel buddy of yours.
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Blazinghand
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On January 18 2012 07:09 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:05 Dirkzor wrote:
Your case on Jackal is likely to my own read on him. While I don't see anything that sticks out as scummy, what worry me is that I don't see anything sticking out at all.
I'm going to bed very soon so a conclusion to this qould be fantastic.
Also: Who benefits from a no lynch? Both demon and Angels? or mostly angels? Angels. Demons would benefit from Sage, DH or Angel lynch, but a no-lynch leave their voting power smaller while leaving Angels untouched, opening space for the (possible) Sage to find a Demon, the DH to snipe a Demon and the Angels to be Angels.
As it stands, what the demons want most is probably an angel lynch unless they know the acolyte is dead and they think the demon hunter won't get them. If we no-lynch, though, the demons are in deep crap since the lynch failed to mitigate the angel faction's kps in any way (and you can only kill angels via lynch) and the demonhunter is alive also.
The only people who benefit from a no-lynch are angels-- they can only b e killed via lynch.
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On January 18 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote:How are you still making meta game cases so far into the game ? But that is not the matter now. I'm thinking of voting for refallen. I've explained before that his case against dirzkor no longer hold, and still he wanted him lynched. PLus he was pushing for demon lynch, which is the most angel tell IMHO. I also dont think the demon hunter would act this way. The DH should have known that we need to lynch angels and not demons as of now. His filter has nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Your argument for not voting him is only based on the list of people pushing for him. That's not enough for me. Right now, I think he is a better lynch over dirzkor. ##vote Refallen
Holy fuck, unvoting to avoid corrupted town insta-hammer. Goddammit, be careful man.
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On January 18 2012 07:16 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:12 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 18 2012 07:08 Zephirdd wrote:On January 18 2012 07:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 18 2012 06:58 Zephirdd wrote:also Jackal.. Have you forgotten me? I was so used to your devoted attention!
Assuming Wiggles was town, and i assume that, it puts more pressure on RoL. That was the last person that Wiggles talked about (and attacking me about). Combine that with a wall-of-text case that is actually not very big in terms of content I see RoL as more scummy then before he started scumhunting. His case is just not good, its just long so it appears to be good/solid. Long is not always better. Is not WIFOM. For something to be WIFOM, you need to create a full circle. Here he makes the assumption that Wiggles is town, and rightfully so(killed by angels, was the first to attack the Demon Palmar). It also shows him changing his mind not immediately on RoL's case, and with a reason(connects MrWiggles' killed-by-angels with his case on RoL). Nah, your case sucks. They killed wiggles, he was suspicious of RoL, therefore RoL is more likely to be scum is the logic he used. This is most certainly WIFOM. From the mafiascum wiki: Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. So you mean that the Angels could've killed Mr wiggles so that it would mean we lynch RoL with that? So, by that logic, RoL was possibly town? Do you realize that if RoL was town, you are scum? He made the simplest possible assumption. The problem would be if he made a more complicated assumption("...but the Angels may have killed him with that in mind") RoL and I both being town is not impossible. It would just mean that Wiggles was neither the channeler nor the sage. He still could have been the seer or vanilla. WHAT?!Someone had to be the Channeler, and it Had to be RoL or MrWiggles. If it was syllogism(the last ??? flip), you'd have been jailed last night. Honestly, the more you post the more I think we are about to lynch an Angel buddy of yours.
...yes, RoL could have been channeler, and that doesn't make me not town. That just means wiggles was neither channeler nor sage. Read dammit.
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Blazinghand
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On January 18 2012 07:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote:How are you still making meta game cases so far into the game ? But that is not the matter now. I'm thinking of voting for refallen. I've explained before that his case against dirzkor no longer hold, and still he wanted him lynched. PLus he was pushing for demon lynch, which is the most angel tell IMHO. I also dont think the demon hunter would act this way. The DH should have known that we need to lynch angels and not demons as of now. His filter has nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Your argument for not voting him is only based on the list of people pushing for him. That's not enough for me. Right now, I think he is a better lynch over dirzkor. ##vote Refallen Holy fuck, unvoting to avoid corrupted town insta-hammer. Goddammit, be careful man.
demons want to lynch an angel today right? unless you think refallen is the demon hunter, don't worry about ct quickhammer. in fact, think of the hammer as a seal of approval that we're not inadvertently lynching a demon and that their faction agrees with us :D
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On January 18 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote:How are you still making meta game cases so far into the game ? But that is not the matter now. I'm thinking of voting for refallen. I've explained before that his case against dirzkor no longer hold, and still he wanted him lynched. PLus he was pushing for demon lynch, which is the most angel tell IMHO. I also dont think the demon hunter would act this way. The DH should have known that we need to lynch angels and not demons as of now. His filter has nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Your argument for not voting him is only based on the list of people pushing for him. That's not enough for me. Right now, I think he is a better lynch over dirzkor. ##vote Refallen
Meta is part of it, but you have also been useless as all hell this game. Your original contributions sum to about 0. I was the only real case you made and I already showed it was all essentially copy-pasted points that others had made before you.
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On January 18 2012 07:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:14 Tyrran wrote:How are you still making meta game cases so far into the game ? But that is not the matter now. I'm thinking of voting for refallen. I've explained before that his case against dirzkor no longer hold, and still he wanted him lynched. PLus he was pushing for demon lynch, which is the most angel tell IMHO. I also dont think the demon hunter would act this way. The DH should have known that we need to lynch angels and not demons as of now. His filter has nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Your argument for not voting him is only based on the list of people pushing for him. That's not enough for me. Right now, I think he is a better lynch over dirzkor. ##vote Refallen Holy fuck, unvoting to avoid corrupted town insta-hammer. Goddammit, be careful man.
Demons insta hammering Refallen would mean they have a Angel read on him. It doesnt make sense for them to hammer someone hey think is VT. The only reason i should be afraid to vote for him is if i think he was DH, and I dont think it is possible.
Why are you protecting him so much ? Why do you think he's not an angel ?
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Okay... I'm going to bed now. I'll set my alarm to 30 min before lynch to come back and vote switch or what not.
+ Show Spoiler +If a plane crash over denmark tomorrow night because I'm tired as shit TL Mafia is to blame 
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@Tyrran
I already explained why I am protecting him. Demons hammering him could also mean they have the same read I have on him - that he may be the demon hunter.
@Blazinghand
What is your read on Refallen? Also, do you think it is worth waiting to see if either Refallen or Jackal return to the thread?
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Ok guys, I haven't read through the thread yet but I'm here to vote. If anyone wants to fill me in that would be great.
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Explain again(as you haven't) why is he one of the only two that can possibly be the DH.
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On January 18 2012 07:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok guys, I haven't read through the thread yet but I'm here to vote. If anyone wants to fill me in that would be great.
Read the thread then come back.
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Blazinghand
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On January 18 2012 07:37 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 07:37 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok guys, I haven't read through the thread yet but I'm here to vote. If anyone wants to fill me in that would be great. Read the thread then come back.
I'm constantly here from now to vote deadline. I wish I had a vote I could use to help out ;_;
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Blazinghand
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BTW, I see like very little chance of Refallen being Demon since he is the one who asked me to claim. Dunno if that helps much, but the ct claiming isn't great for Demons so he's probably not Demon.
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On January 18 2012 07:37 Zephirdd wrote:
Explain again(as you haven't) why is he one of the only two that can possibly be the DH.
He had scum reads on Palmar, cwave, and spaackle and publicly stated those reads in the thread. Of those living, and the demon hunter is still living, only refallen and one other person has publicly stated reads aligning with those kills.
On January 07 2012 10:11 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 10:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future. My bad. I've only played 2 games so far which involved a voting thread so it didn't hit me to announce my votes before voting. Show nested quote +Four town votes is exactly the number necessary for scum hammering. They have 20+ hours to do so.
Unless you know that there are scum on Palmar's votes, you shouldn't leave it there unless you want him lynched IMO. Mmm, you're probably right, but I think the fact that there are two scum teams would have made it harder for that to happen. And yes, right now I don't mind lynching Palmar, but I do rather lynch risknuke. With that said
##UNVOTE PALMAR
##VOTE RISK.NUKE On January 09 2012 21:16 Refallen wrote:Well I decided to take a look at Cwave since Dirk is voting for him. CwaveShow nested quote +We also have a seer who in my opinion has the most important power of the game, namely the identification of angels! As of such, please don't roleclaim for now as mentioned in the pre-game discussion for with 3 factions in this game, 2 factions will instantly try to kill you. Ok, weird role to choose the most important power of. Unless you're a demon. Show nested quote +
I think this is a good hypothetical question to answer.
One everyone should answer!
Dikrzor for me at the moment.
For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to?
Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
I don't have all night risk.nuke
Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable? What plan do you mean?
On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.
Not too bad of a plan since you do tend to create good ripples in the water. And with ripples comes information. Or this one? Buddying with Palmar, possible scumbuddies? The exchange about risk.nuke and his plan sounds especially contrived. Show nested quote +@ Risknuke. 6 voted on you at the moment and it seems 5 people haven't voted yet, including myself.
Other then your defense that you "got annoyed with meta in the face", any reason i shouldn't vote you?
Seems such a waste to hang someone like you for information as suggested by other people in here.
While i await your asnwer im parking my vote on Erandorr. Main reason is this post which puts Erandorr along side RoL for me in terms of bad/useless.
##VOTE: Erandorr Not wanting to vote risk.nuke? I'm going to say that if we lynch risk.nuke and he flips demon, Cwave is most probably the last one. On January 14 2012 11:03 Refallen wrote:Spaackle's definitely another target one should look at, maybe for the DT. A quick glance through his filter reveals the following things - thought risk.nuke was scummy from day 1 - thought Palmar looked townie - thought Cwave looked scummy Ok, so three wrong reads off the bat. - Tried to buddy up with BH on day 2, voted RoL. Posts this Show nested quote +
So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.
and unvotes RoL, and BH rightly calls him out for it. Did not vote on day 2, spends the time instead trying to make a case for tyrran, who was never getting lynched that day. And then a whole lot of nothing. Well, I certainly don't mind him being the target of a vig kill at night, to say the least.
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Grackaroni, what are your thoughts on lynching Refallen?
Jackal, if you show up I would like to hear your thoughts as well.
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Blazinghand, you can still help me out, are you for or against lynching refallen? I can trust your opinion to be non-angel.
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