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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 26 2011 06:21 Forumite wrote: Slight change to OP. You can vote for a leader before he has proposed a Team, but the team needs 5 yay-votes AFTER being proposed to be accepted. If 5 people vote yay for a Team, then one of them changing his vote, then the team will not be immediately accepted once proposed. This passage is currently still in the op: 8. You can vote for a leaders Team before he has become leader. If a leader has 5 yay-votes when proposing his team, the game goes to night immediately. So this means in the following situation: Players Alex, Bart, Charles, Dick, and Eric all vote Yay on Fred. Fred then proposes a team: we immediately hit night phase. And... Players Alex, Bart, Charles, Dick, and Eric all vote Yay on Fred. THEN, Dick changes his vote to Nay. Fred then proposes a team: we do not hit night phase, since at the time of proposal he had 4 votes, and the only time he had 5 votes he hadn't proposed a team yet. Is this correct? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On December 26 2011 06:43 Blazinghand wrote: This passage is currently still in the op: So this means in the following situation: Players Alex, Bart, Charles, Dick, and Eric all vote Yay on Fred. Fred then proposes a team: we immediately hit night phase. And... Players Alex, Bart, Charles, Dick, and Eric all vote Yay on Fred. THEN, Dick changes his vote to Nay. Fred then proposes a team: we do not hit night phase, since at the time of proposal he had 4 votes, and the only time he had 5 votes he hadn't proposed a team yet. Is this correct? Yup. The voting and team proposal rules/commands might be a bit convoluted at first but they should become very intuitive after you've gone through the first few teams. This is a very real-timey game/setup so we did this to make it easier for you to play even when you're in different times zones and have different activity patterns. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
- Day 1 - ![[image loading]](http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9585/pqfuampizhojbig.jpg) -I suspect that we have been infiltrated by a German Spy! -You don´t say? Sample Role-PMs and the order of leaders is in the 3rd and 4th posts of the thread. Post /confirm in the thread if you have received your Role-PM. Current Deadline is in 72 hours, 23:00 GMT (+00:00), or 08:00 KST the 29th of December. If you have not decided on a team to send by then, the first mission automatically fail! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Sweet radfield's leader day1 o/ I guess I'm going to be in the first mission-team because he knows I'm town \o/ | ||
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm not sure that makes sense Truth. If I pick something with all town, I want to see who votes for it and who does not. As such I would much rather people see my team before approving me. I WILL be assigning myself on my team. I will also not be assigning either Zona or Palmar on my Day 1 team, since given that I am town, the likelyhood of one of them being mafia increases drastically(unless forumite randomized the set-up). Obviously this is all meanless to you guys, since you have no idea my alignment. However the logic should be sound. I think I will take one player from VE, Jackal, Greymist and one player from Blazinghand, Truth and Toad. It's pretty arbitrary, but obviously there are no other metrics for me to go by right now. Thoughts? | ||
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
I don't think the hosts will "balance" the team according to people's notoriety in mafia as this is a different game. Here are my assumptions: 1. I don't think the host did any balancing of players. (This is supposed to be a pure logic game, imo.) and 2. Therefore nobody can justify a veto. (We don't have any information yet.) I'm viewing people as A, B, C, not as Radfield, Zona, Palmar. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
I'm still not sure what I'm into in this so I'm just gonna watch for a couple of hours. And Merry Christmas all. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Still getting used to typing on my first mechanical keyboard, well see how it goes... I definitely agree that rad needs to go on the mission tonight. Also, this might be common sense, but if we succeed in a mission we should keep the team the same the next day, if there are no scum on the team then yay, and if there are they have to choose to sabotage the mission eventually. Basically we should be looking to keep the team as similar as possible, while swapping the leader into the team in the case of a failure. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 26 2011 09:30 Radfield wrote: /confirm I'm not sure that makes sense Truth. If I pick something with all town, I want to see who votes for it and who does not. As such I would much rather people see my team before approving me. I WILL be assigning myself on my team. I will also not be assigning either Zona or Palmar on my Day 1 team, since given that I am town, the likelyhood of one of them being mafia increases drastically(unless forumite randomized the set-up). Obviously this is all meanless to you guys, since you have no idea my alignment. However the logic should be sound. I think I will take one player from VE, Jackal, Greymist and one player from Blazinghand, Truth and Toad. It's pretty arbitrary, but obviously there are no other metrics for me to go by right now. Thoughts? I do agree with the fact that Truth should not be voting so early. Let's put it this way: If we really go by a true-rnd process saying the chances of getting 3/3 town are slim probably is a nice way to say it. Also I'm claiming your groups are not arbitrary at all. At least group1 (Zona, Palmar, yourself) and group2 (Jackal, Greymist and VE) don't look arbitrary at all :p I'm pretty sure both truth and I have less games than those 6 people out of groups 1 and 2 which could make the 3rd group a newby-group but than again I never played with Blazinghand so maybe I'm wrong with that one. But yeah, I'd like to hear a lot more from those 6 people you mentioned plus yourself and what they think about each other. Yes sending yourself makes sense but after all I'd like to be able to judge you d2 as well. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 26 2011 14:43 Toadesstern wrote: I do agree with the fact that Truth should not be voting so early. Let's put it this way: If we really go by a true-rnd process saying the chances of getting 3/3 town are slim probably is a nice way to say it. Also I'm claiming your groups are not arbitrary at all. At least group1 (Zona, Palmar, yourself) and group2 (Jackal, Greymist and VE) don't look arbitrary at all :p I'm pretty sure both truth and I have less games than those 6 people out of groups 1 and 2 which could make the 3rd group a newby-group but than again I never played with Blazinghand so maybe I'm wrong with that one. But yeah, I'd like to hear a lot more from those 6 people you mentioned plus yourself and what they think about each other. Yes sending yourself makes sense but after all I'd like to be able to judge you d2 as well. Assuming truly random picks, there's a (2/3) chance of picking a townsperson each time, meaning that there's a (2/3)^3 chance of getting 3 townies, or 8/27-- pretty bad. I think it's reasonable to select yourself as part of your group. If you are town, it would be very unreasonable for you not to select yourself at this phase in the game when there have been neither successful nor unsuccessful missions yet. To yourself, you are a confirmed townie. Then you face somewhat decent odds of picking out two townspeople to come with you. I think it's unreasonable to assume that there is 1 mafia among Zona/Palmar/Radfield. there could easily be 2 or 0. But EVEN ASSUMMING the layout is "1 mafia in Zona/Palm/Rad, 1 mafia in Jack/Grey/VE, 1 mafia in Blaze/Truth/Toad", the correct answer isn't to pick one guy from each group... Because you, Radfield, know your own alignment. If you really think that there is 1 mafia in Zona/Palm/Rad, you should actually take one of Zona/Palm along with you! This is because you personally have the information that you're town, and can therefore say (assuming, again, that there's some distribution like that) that one of Zona/Palm is town. Therefore, you pick one of Zona/Palm, and you only have one pick left, and so you just need one solid-read town pick to create the following situation: Team: Radfield (yourself, who is confirmed town to you), plus Zona (for example), plus someone who gives off a solid town read like, say, Blazinghand. If the mission fails, you can reasonably say "well I think this was Zona" (though others will not be able to do so). The beauty of this though is, assuming you're right about the "1 mafia among Zona/Palm/Rad", If your mission succeeds, you've pinned down a mafia member! (WIFOM alert: Mafia, knowing this, might intentionally not sabotage, etc). Contrast taking a team like Radfield/VE/Toad, and a mission success-- Assuming your "1 mafia among Zona/Palm/Rad" idea is correct, this doesn't give us any info on who that was. Same with a mission failure. So, if you really think one of Zona/Rad/Palm is mafia, and you are very sure of this due to the high relative skills of these specific players you, being Rad and knowing your own alignment, are in a unique position to form a team that grants you information-- so your current metric for forming a team is flawed. I will not grant you a pre-emptive vote based on your ideas for acting on your reasoned assumptions. THAT BEING SAID, I do NOT think it it safe to say that there is one and only one mafia among zona/rad/palm. It's certainly possible, but it's also possible that Forumite was like "well I think this is a newbie game so I'm gonna stack the deck in favor of town and make a bunch of crap players mafia like that Blazinghand punk", or maybe he was like "lol man these guys gonna get rolled so hard, Zona, Rad and Palm all gonna be my mafia lololololol" So, I also do not grant you a pre-emptive vote based on the assumptions underlying your ideas. I will wait to see the team itself. That being said, I would not be unwilling to vote for your team once you have constructed it, should I determine it to be solid. I'm only pointing out that anyone who's thinking of pre-emptively yessing you (Truthbringer...) may want to put a wee bit more thought into it. Just saying. | ||
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TruthBringer
United States578 Posts
Based on my assumptions, which I clearly stated in my previous post. Everybody is just A, B, . . . H, I right now. I am not sure that putting any more thought into it is going to cause me to rationally approve of A, B, C, but not A, B, D. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 27 2011 02:03 TruthBringer wrote: Blazinghand, how exactly do you get a townread from someone at this point in this game? Based on my assumptions, which I clearly stated in my previous post. Everybody is just A, B, . . . H, I right now. I am not sure that putting any more thought into it is going to cause me to rationally approve of A, B, C, but not A, B, D. the same way you get a town read on anyone day1, look at the motives behind their posting. Granted i agree that it is not a rock solid read like on later days, but its all we have to go on at this point. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On December 27 2011 02:03 TruthBringer wrote: Blazinghand, how exactly do you get a townread from someone at this point in this game? Based on my assumptions, which I clearly stated in my previous post. Everybody is just A, B, . . . H, I right now. I am not sure that putting any more thought into it is going to cause me to rationally approve of A, B, C, but not A, B, D. It's the kind of read that is more solid if more people post analysis of what they think the optimal move is. I think it's reasonable for any team leader to chose himself as part of his team on this first day, since to him he is a confirmed town, in order to maximize our odds. In any case, I don't view people as A, B, C-- you know why? Currently people have already diverged somewhat in posting patterns, if only because it's christmastime and some people haven't had time to post yet. For example, I haven't seen a post from Zona, whereas I HAVE seen a post from you. This means to me, Zona is indeed just "player A who hasn't posted yet"... but you are not. You are a person with a history. You blindly yay-voted the first town leader on the basis of "Well forming reads on the first day is harddddddddddd (or impossible)". brb 3 hours | ||
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