Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia I - Page 20

On December 25 2011 22:20 Dirkzor wrote:
GiygaS:

I would like to kill him. It would atleast be very interesting to see what he flips. (Wow batman slow down... It's ALWAYS interesting what people flip... O_o)

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As i wrote earlier (see spoiler) he jumped on the Seph wagon prette early without much reasoning. He don't want to vote on a person with just 1 post but immediatly after sephs 2nd post he votes for him with not much more to go after then after the first post.

After this he have a few post with nothing in them. Then he is gone for almost 24hours and comes back posting this:


He admits that he just skimmed trough "the whole jaybrundage thing" but in the same post comes to the conclusion that Seph is more scummy than Jay. The reasoning for thinking Seph is scum is okay, but not very in-depth considering how much Seph had actually written to defend himself at this point.
The last post just screams scumbuddy to me. No reasoning. No logic. Just a statement to further enhance the image that Jay is a good guy.



This post is to me a null read. But i'll run over it anyway. The first part (bolded) makes perfectly sense to me. GiygaS argues that the case on Jay is mostly twisting words and then acknowledges that the case on Seph is similar but to him its more _how_ seph responded then what was the actual case. Again i would have liked to see more in-depth analysis. How did Seph react to make you think he was scum? How did Jay react better?
Last part of the post is again defending Jay on why he hasn't scumhunted (besides Seph). At this early stage of the game why would you defend someone? It just strikes me as weird since it is hard to get a read this early.

All in all not much was done from his side on day1. Would we have missed him if he had not posted at all? (yes he had a few post regarding lynch policy but those are useless) He pushed gently towards Seph in the beginning not overcommiting. Then later comes back and push Seph again without going all out crazy bananas mega case. Small nudges to get wagon on seph to continue while taking of spotlight from potential scumbuddy Jay.

On December 27 2011 03:06 Shraft wrote:
Anyway, I have a new candidate for today's lynch.
As the new lynch target I present to you, GiygaS! I first caught sight of him when Dirkzor pointed out his attitude toward jay.

His first five posts are (more or less) stuff of no value, arguing policy lynches and general advice. It's basically filler, and thusly I won't analyse it.

His first interesting post is this one:

Here, he makes it overly clear that he is not jumping on some bandwagon without thinking it through thoroughly first. This is not a bad habit (to think things through), but from experience, only mafia feel the necessity to announce their thoughtfulness explicitly in the thread. A townie will gladly jump on a bandwagon on loose advice based off of one post in order to pressure someone, whereas scum are scared of voting because it attracts unwanted attention.

Just before GiygaS posted the message above, Sephirotharg posts (GiygaS was ninja'd):

After this post, the oh so thoughtful GiygaS posts:

Notice how he went from being very hesitant to vote for Sephirotharg to voting for him without providing much thought or reasoning at all. (This happened over a span of two minutes - his first post was made 3:28 and his second 3:30.) This means that all it took was two minutes and a rather contentless post from Seph to turn the thoughful GiygaS into voting-aggressively-without-providing-much-thought-GiygaS. Seems rather odd and inconsistent to me. The only thing that might be interpreted as scummy in Seph's second post is that he tries to proclaim his actions as pro-town, but even taking this into consideration, it seems strange that this would be enough to warrant GiygaS's change in his attitude toward Seph.

After placing his vote, GiygaS is content to sit back and wait for the day to end without providing much thought on the cases presented on jay. Nor does he provide any additional thoughts on why he wants sephirotharg lynched. This is what Dirkzor discovered. He simply states:

This is just a contentless post attempting to make it appear as though he actually cares about how the lynch is going or making it appear as though he is contributing and actively thinking about choosing the best target for the lynch. Observe that he just uses blanket statements. He doesn't put any effort in pointing out what is wrong with the cases or just what he doesn't like (more specifically) about Seph's defense.

This is straight up buddying with jay. There is not a single reason for a townie to ever simply "believe" another player. The only healthy attitude to have as a townie toward other players is to never give them the benefit of the doubt. Always question them. Always demand of them to provide thoughts and reasons to back their statements. To buddy up with someone is foolish. This is pure anti-town play.

Only when he gets called out by Seph he provides more food for thought, and even then he provides only general fluff and makes no real effort to refer to anything specific. Here's the post:


To conclude: GiygaS is a scummily scummy scum! When day turns to night, I want his body to hang on the gallows of Liquidia!

##Vote GiygaS

On December 28 2011 18:34 EchelonTee wrote:
....................that bandwagon did not have to happen. Like seriously, wtf, that was some epic vote switching, even though jay hadn't done shit.

Started by Misder:

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Your gut read was wrong brah. Interestingly enough your first line reminds me of seph's "surprised that no one called me out for lurking" thing from earlier. You make a bunch of gut assumptions. But you're not the one who's been twisting words to advance these bandwagons. That guy that your gut tells you is town is the one doing fishy shit. Let's examine, shall we?

Giygas' post on jay, footnoted with red numbers:
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1.Jay is not being hypocritical; he is saying that soft-claiming that lurking is bad, and the he is SORRY for not posting much. He is actually discrediting himself by saying this; yes this makes no damn sense, but all game jay has been saying "im a bad player guys, honest, i havent been able to post much". You take his statement, "i havent been active much" and imply that jay is saying "its ok that i havent been active much right? Word twisting.

2.You are using strong language to try and convey that jay did egregious things; you state that he is being "friggen bipolar" yet if anyone examines jay's three posts, they are not inconsistent. Wishywashy as shit sure, but he is on seph in every one of those posts. The middle post says "if you're town, contribute". Not "i think you might be town... here's a vote anyways". You're twisting that shit up man.

3.what the hell are you even saying here? You are taking jay's quote out of context; he is defending himself by saying that Misder meta'ing him from 1/2 posts is illogical, and that Misder needs a case before accusing. You use this quote as evidence of jay not having a case on seph; read through jay's filter. He doesn't constantly go on and on about seph's self vote, other people continually brought it up. Jay's case was weak, but it had more than once facet. Why are you trying to make jay look one dimensional?

4.twisting words twisting words. where did jay "specifically" say that lynchallurkers was a bad idea. He called suspicion on seph, like everyone else did.

That's why his case is weird and weak. Now why is he suspicious?

Giygas' defense posts from pressure:

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1.You hesitating to vote is indicative that you don't want to start a bandwagon, despite claiming that you "thought that he was scum after the first post". This is weird as hell. Maybe it's your playstyle, but when you feel that someone is scummy you press them, you analyze them you check things out. Not wait until the bandwagon is started then comfortably jump in. There's a term for that, I forgot it, but sitting in the middle of the bandwagon is where it's at for scum. Ive said this more than once. Also, you are not the only one to analyze that second post of seph's, I did too.

2.It's contradictory because you express reticence to jump onto something, then fn leap onto it when the goings good. Being contradictory makes you hard to believe.

3. You might not be jay's scumbuddy, but you were sure happy tunneling him, despite saying that you weren't going to do any of that nonsense anymore. First you "believe" jay in his defense, then you nail jay using a bunch of ill-conceived tells to get him lynched, while ignoring the defenses that you had previously acknolwedged. Contradictory, while tunneling.

4. ohai scum slip. The case against jay is "twisting words to say he's mafia", eh? Funny that you do exactly that to put jay under. You acknowledge here that the case on jay so far has little substance. When you turn around to tunnel jay, all you CAN do is exactly what you stated: twist words.

From Shraft:


1.Stating that it is a "policy" of yours to avoid starting voting is a convenient out; just like policy lynches are a convenient way to avoid discussion, having a policy to your play means that you can say "yeah it looks scummy, but I always play like this so i'm townie". Or, you're scum. Also, contradiction: you say that seph's post "isn't" super scummy, but earlier you said that you thought seph was scum based off his first post.

2.you are justifying your mistake by saying you were "tunneling"; yet you do the same thing with jay? You even acknoweldge that your actions are strange, but by saying that your "conclusion" differs, you acknolwedge your suspicious behavior but cleverly subvert what should be concluded. That you are tunneling townies.

3.you are making excuses for ignoring defenses from people. everyone's busy, town doesn't need to hear about your activities. putting on airs to justify inactivity.

4.Going to be more indepth with your analysis? Sure, you're writing more. But what about? Your next few posts are about random people who are townies. Why did you do this? You got some pressure from people, saying that it's needless to post this stuff, but you haven't gotten enough pressure imo.

ugh reading over it again, 2 of the 4 town analyses posts you do are about DEAD people already confirmed. You are trying to show your support for their ideas, as they are confirmed green and thus will give you some cred. The other two are hyshes and adam; hyshes = easy lynch target at this point in time, while adam you act all buddy buddy with, agreeing with him to show respect to him.

all of these posts are fluffy and full of words, but lack both consistency and actual substance; why didn't you analyze dirk or shraft, the people ACCUSING you? are they least worthy of analysis, despite the fact that they suspect you?

I'm coming after you in the day, GiygaS.