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On January 02 2012 16:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I called the hit first. Wait, you both claimed the hit? Both of you claimed you targeted him AND used your hit? As in neither were refunded? | ||
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That being said, who do you guys think the last scum is? I am doing an analysis now and cleared one person, I believe the other is leaning town. | ||
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On December 31 2011 04:22 bumatlarge wrote: Why would I care who is town? The object of the game is to oust scum, not figure out who is town. If they aren't on my radar, then I really don't see a reason to worry about them. Hopefully isn't a guaranteed town win. If town had no viable shots or mafia has more then 1 roleblocker, we would have got off scott free. And that doesn't explain how kita and I generated the L lynch. The L lynch would not have happened and you guys would have stuck around on the RoL wagon for the rest of the lynch. I don't think there was much reason to go through all this trouble and then have this conversation if we could have been having a post-game conversation. This is stupid. It is much easier to get a town read on someone then it is to get a scum read. By knowing who is TOWN you can narrow town your possibilities of who is actually scum. Scum are trying to not look scummy, but generally only that. They don't tend to jump to the other spectrum because that would start harming their win condition. So there is a huge purpose in recording and acknowledging your town reads, that way you can narrow down the gray area of mafia scumminess. Anyway bum, its pretty much me and you, which of the other two do you find scummy? One of them has to be hiding behind the hit, but its a tough decision. What do you think? | ||
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On January 03 2012 15:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Bum I didn't vote because I had no idea wtf was going on. I hadn't read the thread at all so for all I knew L could have been town. I was subbed in like 4 hours before the lynch ended and up until that point I hadn't opened the thread since I asked to be taken out of them game. If you think that my lack of vote alone makes me scum then you need to broaden your sights a bit. Right now in your scenario, I'm scum and I claim to have shot syllo... to what end? If I'm scum then I already used my shot on prp, but I can't force syllo to die. My only option is to claim RB but wait, I already rb'd sheth. If I had called my shot after the day post and saw syllo had died it would have made a lot more sense because now I have syllo's death to back me up. But I claimed before the deadline. If I'm scum then how do I know that syllo will die, and furthermore, what is my backup if I already rb'd sheth. If syllo doesn't die then I'm forced to claim rb, but then sheth cc's me. Even if I get a mislynch on sheth, when he flips green I've still outed myself. Do you see where the problem is Bum? Much simpler, you could of been scum and killed prp and claimed the syllo hit knowing that even if you were CC'd it wouldn't mean anything since hits can overlap and you both lose it. | ||
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On January 03 2012 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: crap didn't mean to hit enter, did you talk to Chezinu at all before taking his role over? The reason I asked this is because if you read Chezinu's filter carefully enough you will see it. On December 21 2011 00:07 Chezinu wrote: Well, this game is all about people's ability to respond....response ability.. I'm totally dead for saying responsibility so many times. He hints at what his role is here, his role is trigger by saying a certain phrase too many times according to meapak. So either they are town and the role is legit, or Chezinu was setting up this fakeclaim, went inactive then had the mental capacity to PM Meapak and give him an out and a fakeclaim out of a really bad situation. At the same time the mafia could of told him of this fake claim they were working up, but by the time meapak subbed in they were all dead iirc, so no one could of told him what happened and that Chezinu worked up a fake claim, unless they talked about it all in a quick topic and meapak read it all. Notice which scenario is much simpler? It involves both of them being honest about their role, which means I doubt they are scum, and considering Chezinu's filter, that's the best I could come up with. Then I look at Kitaman, he started the lynch on L, but that's not really the important part. Look at the mafias position going into that, it was a 5v3 situation and they needed one last mislynch, L was reaming into me hard trying to force my mislynch it doesn't REMOTELY look like he was setting himself up to get bussed, he was pushing for the end game right there. Instead Kita pushes his lynch and it gets flipped on L. I read him yesterday, but it would require an impeccable scum game from Kita for this read to be wrong and all the things he did be setting up the illusion of being town. With those two reads I had the process of elimination and that leaves bumatlarge, I could only hope his filter didn't disagree with me, and it didn't. But I have work, so the rest of that comes later. | ||
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On January 04 2012 13:06 bumatlarge wrote: Oh meapak, that's heart warming. Shame I'm the only one with a shot left, and mafia has a roleblocker. KITAMAN, YOU SHALL BE PURGED. NO MERE ROLEBLOCK CAN STOP MY WRATH. And guys, no lynch right? I mean, this might just a test in order to see if scum can increase his chances, but it might be that he cannot kill anyone? Then we get two lynches? I mean it's really stretching, but there is no reason not to wait. Ver is a cruel dude sometimes, but he isn't bill murray (Cue 2nd no-lynch gives mafia 2 KP). We still have a lot of cycles to go through. Meh, maybe to give scum time to figure out what he isn't doing Can we opt to end the day early? I want to point out just how convenient this is. You are the only one with a shot left, which means you are going to keep getting "RBed" even if we no lynch today. So we can never disprove your claim. | ||
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To that end, sorry about my inactivity, I thought I would be able to play at my internship yesterday but I was busy, then I went straight to GF's and I just got home -_-; | ||
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On January 05 2012 14:01 Ver wrote: Night something No lynch. Day ends blah blah. Send your actions. Can we speed up cycles plz. Let me help you out. Day ? No one died! BumAtLarge was roleblocked. | ||
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On January 06 2012 04:39 bumatlarge wrote: No, you are not my top candidate for scum, and if RoL would just set off my role condition I would feel a lot better about him. I am town, no you fucking fuck. | ||
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On January 06 2012 02:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I obviously knew that kita was going to disagree with my analysis of him, but I'd like to hear what Bum and RoL think. Bum do you still think I'm most likely to be scum? If so, what problems do you have with me that you don't have with kita. Same with RoL, what is wrong with my kita analysis that makes bum a better lynch? I've been reading the thread again and I'm feeling very confident that kita is scum at this point. I am going to read, collect my thoughts post my final decision and stick with that. I liked your analysis but I want to see how it fits in context of L/Syllogism/WBG Posting. | ||
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On December 24 2011 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote: also, I should note, that because of this, I now very strongly believe either Chezinu is lying about that RB, or that there exist at least two roleblocking roles in the game. From what Foolishness has said, I am certain scum roleblocked GM. Chezinu might have been roleblocked by a town roleblocker yesterday, if this is true. He could also be scum. As of now I don't believe Chezinu is scum. To the players who believe Chezinu is scum: (i.e. prplhz) please provide a detailed case as to why you believe he is scum and not town. I will do my own rereading of Chezinu's posts, to see if I have missed anything. I don't think I have, though, seeing as I've read the thread at least 3 times now (not hard, seeing as no one is doing anything) On December 28 2011 11:54 wherebugsgo wrote: feel better about him than I do about Foolishness or Chezinu! Upon rereading I think RoL has been acting rather town-like. The GM business doesn't make sense unless GM was RBed. We don't know that for sure unless Chezinu is lying or trolling. This is the problem atm. So, we lynch one of Foolishness/Chezinu tomorrow IMO. I guess if there's a convincing argument for RoL being scum I'd be willing to lynch him too. Chezinu very well could be lying/trolling. He did nothing today, though he did more day 1. His activity dropped off like a scum's would. At first I didn't believe he was lying. Now I'm more willing to entertain that idea. also my bad, I'm playing LoL :p I got back from jury duty and I feel lazy. On December 28 2011 18:50 syllogism wrote: Well at least one out of RoL and Chezinu is definitely mafia. I would like to hear from Chezinu first but the situation has been covered quite adequately above. This confirms Meapak pretty much. You can all read for yourself and interpret, after reading all this I am lazy. On December 28 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: Chezinu claimed RB on n1, so either he is lying and thus scum or he was RBed and then there is no good explanation for you to be alive unless there is a scum medic. I guess it's possible that GM didn't actually hit you or his shot doesn't go through if the target is town, but both scenarios require poor play on GMs part; he specifically said that his role is the same as LSB's, who heavily implied that his shot goes through regardless of the alignment of the target. On December 29 2011 07:01 syllogism wrote: Bum how does the scum team consisting of role blockers make sense considering that only one person has claimed RB so far and last night there were 6 deaths, of which only one was claimed. None of the living players claimed RB, so even assuming foolishness was RBed, that's three missing role blocks. Given the weird n1 kills I think it's more likely that scum also has some sort of KP roles that punish "bad" play or something similar. A scum medic also makes more sense than more than 1 RBer due to the missing RB claims. Two role blockers is possible but lynching people or clearing people based on that assumption in LYLO is very weak/scummy. I would also infer this to mean there is only 1 RB, he is assuming there has to be a scum medic and ignoring the 2RB scenario which isn't that unlikely, then just dismissing it. But I have made a decision. I agree with you meapak, Kitaman is our last scum so I will be voting him tomorrow. My next post will detail a bit more, but upon reading all the dead mafia, they seem to implicate Kitaman way more. | ||
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