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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 15 2011 20:37 GMT
#9
/in

So the traitor guessing mafia and mafia guessing traitor are separate guesses correct? What I mean is, say the mafia guess who the traitor is and they get it wrong. The traitor can still guess the mafia team and they will be joined together yeah?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 20 2011 04:01 GMT
#162
/confirm
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 20 2011 23:34 GMT
#293
List of people who have made a post that's a giant wall of text:

wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
Ver
L
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 00:45 GMT
#300
On December 21 2011 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2011 08:34 Foolishness wrote:
List of people who have made a post that's a giant wall of text:

wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
Ver
L


what do you think of LSB, Foolishness?

Same question to everyone else, but particularly Palmar.

Not a good day 1 lynch (at this point at least)
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 01:18 GMT
#314
On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.

Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.

Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him.

Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 04:51 GMT
#348
I will support BC in everything at this point because he used the word asshattery.

Filter LSB's posts. Filter LSB's posts from any game he's town. Notice the similarity?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 19:32 GMT
#422
^^How does that make any sense Palmar
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 19:38 GMT
#424
No, I see his motivation (for voting you) based on his analysis on how town should proceed day 1 given the game setup. That VisceraEyes is most surely town because of his fearless posting, and that trigger roles are likely to soften up normally aggressive players.

Now I see you counter voting him based on day 1 lynch ratio's, and seemingly nothing else.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 19:54 GMT
#427
On December 22 2011 03:35 L wrote:
So, from the get go I'd eliminate most of the players who have been voting for others, those who are aggressively asking questions of others as potential targets for the day 1 lynch. Additionally, I'd put more suspicion on players who are overly apologetic at this stage in the game. That said, i wouldn't link suspicion to post count or length directly because there's an impetus from everyone to minimize their exposure to triggers. That said, voting is less of a town-tell than aggravating people; voting is important insofar as it establishes a rivalry.

...

I'm somewhat more conflicted with respect to Palmar because he fit this profile to a T prior to me going to sleep last night, then he started contributing. I'm not sure if that's because people started singling him out as a bullshit one-line poster and actually voting for him on that basis, but if the above is correct he'd probably not have been willing to engage VE for that long as mafia, and consequently VE is probably town because he pushed through an overt warning of Palmar's regarding him becoming annoying and kept on him to the point of voting for him.

VE is essentially the green/bluest person in the town in my eyes at the moment because of this.

He already thought you were suspicious since the start, you can read the rest of his post for the full story, I just took out the relevant parts.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 20:02 GMT
#430
On December 22 2011 05:00 Palmar wrote:
Are you trolling me Foolishness?

In your text L even concludes I'm probably not mafia.

Again, what has his read on VE to do with anything?

What the fuck?

Just forget it, we're wasting each others' time.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 20:11 GMT
#434
On December 22 2011 05:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 05:02 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 05:00 Palmar wrote:
Are you trolling me Foolishness?

In your text L even concludes I'm probably not mafia.

Again, what has his read on VE to do with anything?

What the fuck?

Just forget it, we're wasting each others' time.


No, now you explain why you don't want to vote for L based on this.

no

On December 22 2011 05:04 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 04:54 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 03:35 L wrote:
So, from the get go I'd eliminate most of the players who have been voting for others, those who are aggressively asking questions of others as potential targets for the day 1 lynch. Additionally, I'd put more suspicion on players who are overly apologetic at this stage in the game. That said, i wouldn't link suspicion to post count or length directly because there's an impetus from everyone to minimize their exposure to triggers. That said, voting is less of a town-tell than aggravating people; voting is important insofar as it establishes a rivalry.

...

I'm somewhat more conflicted with respect to Palmar because he fit this profile to a T prior to me going to sleep last night, then he started contributing. I'm not sure if that's because people started singling him out as a bullshit one-line poster and actually voting for him on that basis, but if the above is correct he'd probably not have been willing to engage VE for that long as mafia, and consequently VE is probably town because he pushed through an overt warning of Palmar's regarding him becoming annoying and kept on him to the point of voting for him.

VE is essentially the green/bluest person in the town in my eyes at the moment because of this.

He already thought you were suspicious since the start, you can read the rest of his post for the full story, I just took out the relevant parts.

What do you think of Palmar Foolishness? You seem to be quite willing to comment on others reasoning to this point while providing none of your own. If you had to vote this very moment who would you vote for and why? Actually you've said damn little this game so far.

With regards to Palmar, this is the most important post he's made thus far:

On December 21 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Are you around for a bit syllo? I really need someone to talk to.

Yes I do agree that GM would be a pretty good lynch today. I tried to get him to explain why all he had to offer was policy lynches but he hasn't posted since. I don't think we should be lynching prplhz though, he's marginally more useful than most people in this thread.

Did you notice that BloodyC0bbler came into the thread and the one thing he focused on was the RNG idea, something that had been out of the discussion for a long while by then. I still believe it's a good idea if a town would roll with it from the start, but at the point his post is completely irrelevant to the discussion, to the point that this post is basically a huge pile of nothing. We know absolutely nothing about BC from that one post.

In addition I've had a problem with L's posting since the very beginning, I don't know if this was how you posted back when he was playing but in today's environment that's almost enough to just lynch him by default.

And finally, what do you think about WBG's case on LSB? Do you agree with me that it felt a bit forced, especially the part where he basically flat out accused LSB of being a SK?

There's no way any mafia would make a post like that.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 21 2011 20:33 GMT
#438
On December 22 2011 05:30 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 05:11 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 05:03 Palmar wrote:
On December 22 2011 05:02 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 05:00 Palmar wrote:
Are you trolling me Foolishness?

In your text L even concludes I'm probably not mafia.

Again, what has his read on VE to do with anything?

What the fuck?

Just forget it, we're wasting each others' time.


No, now you explain why you don't want to vote for L based on this.

no
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 22 2011 05:04 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 04:54 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 03:35 L wrote:
So, from the get go I'd eliminate most of the players who have been voting for others, those who are aggressively asking questions of others as potential targets for the day 1 lynch. Additionally, I'd put more suspicion on players who are overly apologetic at this stage in the game. That said, i wouldn't link suspicion to post count or length directly because there's an impetus from everyone to minimize their exposure to triggers. That said, voting is less of a town-tell than aggravating people; voting is important insofar as it establishes a rivalry.

...

I'm somewhat more conflicted with respect to Palmar because he fit this profile to a T prior to me going to sleep last night, then he started contributing. I'm not sure if that's because people started singling him out as a bullshit one-line poster and actually voting for him on that basis, but if the above is correct he'd probably not have been willing to engage VE for that long as mafia, and consequently VE is probably town because he pushed through an overt warning of Palmar's regarding him becoming annoying and kept on him to the point of voting for him.

VE is essentially the green/bluest person in the town in my eyes at the moment because of this.

He already thought you were suspicious since the start, you can read the rest of his post for the full story, I just took out the relevant parts.

What do you think of Palmar Foolishness? You seem to be quite willing to comment on others reasoning to this point while providing none of your own. If you had to vote this very moment who would you vote for and why? Actually you've said damn little this game so far.

With regards to Palmar, this is the most important post he's made thus far:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 21 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Are you around for a bit syllo? I really need someone to talk to.

Yes I do agree that GM would be a pretty good lynch today. I tried to get him to explain why all he had to offer was policy lynches but he hasn't posted since. I don't think we should be lynching prplhz though, he's marginally more useful than most people in this thread.

Did you notice that BloodyC0bbler came into the thread and the one thing he focused on was the RNG idea, something that had been out of the discussion for a long while by then. I still believe it's a good idea if a town would roll with it from the start, but at the point his post is completely irrelevant to the discussion, to the point that this post is basically a huge pile of nothing. We know absolutely nothing about BC from that one post.

In addition I've had a problem with L's posting since the very beginning, I don't know if this was how you posted back when he was playing but in today's environment that's almost enough to just lynch him by default.

And finally, what do you think about WBG's case on LSB? Do you agree with me that it felt a bit forced, especially the part where he basically flat out accused LSB of being a SK?

There's no way any mafia would make a post like that.


So are you defending L or Palmar? You say Palmar can't be mafia yet you can justify L's vote on him. I'm confused.

I've never played with L before that I can recall but I did play as L in personality mafia. He apparently has issues with Bill Murray.

Yes, I think L justified his vote. He explained himself in his above post. As I implied I do not think Palmar is mafia nor will I be voting for him anytime in the near future. L even agrees with me that Palmar's post that I pointed out is not something a mafia would make.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#541
##Vote: LSB

I will be back before day ends to change if necessary. I'm still against but as always I'd rather lynch than no lynch.

+ Show Spoiler +
Estimated number of people who will quote this post and call me mafia cause of it: 4
Estimated people: Palmar, Jackal, Curu/sandroba, kitaman
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#651
##Unvote: LSB
##Vote: GMarshal


aaawwwwwww yeah!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 04:34 GMT
#652
I will be here for the lynch so I can switch back if desperate times fall upon us.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 04:37 GMT
#655
On December 22 2011 13:36 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to venture asking Foolishness a question.

Is LSB town?

I don't know. What I do know is that LSB is being responsible, and GMarshal is not.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 04:51 GMT
#667
On December 22 2011 13:41 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 13:37 Foolishness wrote:
On December 22 2011 13:36 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to venture asking Foolishness a question.
Is LSB town?

I don't know. What I do know is that LSB is being responsible, and GMarshal is not.

  1. You don't buy into the idea that GMarshal would never claim to be busy when he's actually just lurking because he doesn't want to say anything because he's scum?
  2. By "being responsible" I hope you're not talking about "responsibility points", but about how LSB is actually around to defend himself while GMarshal is not?

I numbered my question so it would be very easy for you to answer!

How kind of you!

1) I don't know and don't care. This is a game of logic, not emotion. I am not swayed by emotional arguments so his "I've been busy" means nothing to me. It doesn't mean I think he's mafia, I just don't take it into account and ignore it.

2) You are correct.

Order of events and time stamps are very important. GMarshal's breadcrumb should not be factored into anything because he's done it plenty of times before and it's not unreasonable to think he would do it as either alignment.

Now consider you are a suicidal vigi (basically what GM claims to be). You see LSB claim the exact role except with a different title. Are you going to blatantly counter claim without giving it a second thought? No of course not. Ver could have made two different names for the same role (someone already mentioned this). You would at least think about it before counter claiming. But most importantly, LSB was still going to get lynched. Nobody had said anything about being convinced by his claim. It is reasonable to assume that we would have still lynched LSB for lack of better target. If GM thought he might be replacement lynch, he would at least wait until people started voting for him. This is what I mean when I say he isn't being responsible.

I've gotten confirmation from Ver though. The mafia are given a list of roles AND role descriptions. This changes things a little.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 04:58 GMT
#672
Please remember, mafia are given a list of blues AND their role description
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 05:24 GMT
#683
On December 22 2011 14:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Well gee. LSB was telling the truth, so there is definitely some tricky host business with where GM got the iea to make that counter-claim. I don't think that alone shows his colors one way or another.

It's okay, he'll be shooting you tonight so we'll end up ahead anyways.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 22 2011 06:16 GMT
#688
On December 22 2011 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
well GM will shoot if he's town. Scum will die, or GM will die. It's that simple.

we should choose who GM should shoot.

Sandro what do you think? Who should be shot?

No.

Assume GM is town. Most likely he'll choose to shoot tonight. If we pick for him (even give him an approved list) and give him a town to shoot, mafia will just let him shoot the town and kill himself. If we give him a mafia to shoot, mafia will just roleblock/kill him.

If we let GM decide for himself, then mafia are left debating on how to handle the situation.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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