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My point is that he was just listing off a few of the more common roles in normal closed setups. The fact that the setup is closed ALONE makes it more likely that there's an SK, by virtue of it being closed. Is the fact that he said 'DT' or 'medic' not suspect as well? Why? It's a closed setup! How could he know?
Your bit about the Chezinu meta is intriguing though, I have to admit. I read it as "Because he was scum, he could have been actively subverting his meta, thereby rendering it useless", but your version of what he could have been saying makes sense too...I'd like to hear what LSB has to say on the matter.
My point about him being good was that the slips you're suggesting are like, noob slips. I'm well aware that vets are capable of slipping too, but they're far less likely to make the slips you're suggesting. That's all I'm saying.
Anyway, I've said my piece about LSB, and I'm waiting for him to respond to your case before I give it any further thought.
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Looks like people are really taking my posts out of context
On December 21 2011 04:56 L wrote:RE: LSB Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? You realize you *kinda* already did with your previous post, right? Show nested quote +Again.... what's up with you and triggers.... Just because someone has a trigger doesn't mean they are mafia. That section in particular makes a statement about triggers, and in particular says that town has triggers in an affirmative manner. You state this directly. The odd thing is that your post is structured to make it look like speculation, but you made an affirmative statement. This wasn't "Its possible that town has triggers too" it was "town has triggers too".
... Read the post again, it doesn't say that at all. It just says you guys should stop speculation, which is what you are doing right now
On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information.
... Read the OP, Ver phrased it in a way that makes it seem like there is an SK... This is new information that I guarantee you that no one else has said before. See? I don't rehash what people say
Notice how in most of these posts, LSB attempts to "clarify" something and claims misunderstanding. In some of the circumstances, this is actually comical because some of the inferences LSB makes are ludicrous.
LSB asks if syllogism suggests we should all roleclaim right now. The obvious answer is no, no one in their right mind would suggest a mass roleclaim day 1, and I don't think syllo is the type of crazy player to be suggesting that. So then why ask a question you already know the answer to?
Perhaps to undermine that person later with a false assertion that they wanted a mass roleclaim day 1? That sounds pretty scummy!
Later LSB does something similar with what Chezinu said. He makes a statement that clearly shows either intentional misunderstanding or probing for future mistakes, by suggesting Chezinu was saying that people should be roleclaiming.
Syllogism is understandable, I thought he was responding to me.
As for Chez's, I was asking for clarification on my interpretation of his post. I'll link the post here
+ Show Spoiler +Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die.
It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches.
one thing that people misunderstand about Chez is that they don't believe that he makes real statements. That is not the case. What Chez does is make things more obscure than normal. Naturally, I asked for clarification. In fact I was not the only one confused
I don't think that was what Chezinu was doing. I really don't see how that last paragraph LSB quoted from Chezinu could be
anything but a warning about the setup, not a call for people to be claiming, as Chezinu says "claiming is bound to come up," not that it is bound to come up now.
As he is a very good town player, I doubt LSB missed something I didn't, especially four consecutive times with two different players.
If you don't understand what Chez's saying, wouldn't you ask for clarification? That's what I did. Are you saying that asking for clarification is a bad thing?
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On December 21 2011 02:25 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read? I'm very confused. When you are saying On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect Is it in response to this statement? On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. If not, what statement is it in response to? If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point? It was a response to RebirthOfLeGenD, who seemed to be advocating not claiming, ever
Your only reason is that if mafia actually gets a KP blocked by a medic or something and the medic doesn't claim they can fake the protect later or something assuming the person they failed to kill was
1. 100% protected and not a veteran, they can't be sure of this.
2. Still alive and knew they were protected. Some hosts have used a non inform on medic protects which can't be overlooked as a possibility.
3. That we would somehow also overlook that we don't know the mafia KP and that they could have some way to manipulate it in order to claim a hit.
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yeah, you have a valid point that since he listed cop+medic that he possibly just felt listing SK was fine.
The problem is the other things give me pause. Cop+medic are far more common than SK, since they're in practically every game, so it's weird to see, at least for me, SK to be listed with them. Alone, that part is useless. However, mafia isn't about picking single things, it's about fitting lots of things together. That was just one thing that I saw that was weird.
Also, the bigger concern with LSB being good is that he made inferences that make no sense in the context of the posts he quoted. If anyone were to actually read syllo's or Chezinu's posts you would see that there is nothing in there about mass roleclaiming, or the suggestion that people do it.
In fact, let's see if I'm right by asking Chez.
Chezinu, can you clarify this:
On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:
It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches.
I made the assumption that you were just warning people about roleclaims.
LSB took this as calling for roleclaims.
Do we see the problem here? What were you saying, Chezinu?
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If this game is about punishing bad play someone ought to put a bullet in bum's face.
I'm not sure how to interpret WBG's case against LSB. It just feels a bit... forced. Especially the SK part. I mean, it cannot possibly be fishy that he's posting about SKs unless you're making the assumption that LSB must be a SK. Otherwise it bears no indication of his alignment.
While I do agree on the repeated misunderstandings (I've not had a problem understanding anything I consider worth reading in this thread, and english is my 2nd language) and clarifications, I'm not sure it actually makes LSB scum.
I'd be much more inclined to just fucking lynch bumatlarge for day 1 blueclaiming.
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On December 21 2011 06:47 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I support wbg's case on LSB. Fucking best post of this thread and maybe the only one worth reading.
##Vote LSB
@Bum The whole talk about mechanics and triggers and w/e the fuck is giving me a headache. And like you said scum knows all roles so don't you agree that's the easiest topic ever for them to discuss without having to commit? I'm ok with it as an opening but now it's time to move on. If you have a role or not that doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares. If you are town use it wisely.
@Chezinu I want to make you a deal. You split your posts in 1/2 content, 1/2 mental issues and I'll try to convince my other half to stop tunneling you for now. As much as I love your posts, curu has a point that you are currently being a hindrance, and if you are town you are setting up to be lynch bait later. Just mix up some clear content that everyone can discern and we can all be happy.
This is a pretty shady vote... You don't actually say why you support his case on me, and you claim it is the best post in the thread.
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Okay so you respond here
On December 21 2011 07:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Just to clarify, the part about wbg's case I find relevant is the bottom part and I'd like people to comment on it and LSB to respond to it.
LSB's posts so far seem very meek to me, always answering something or clarifying something. It really feels like he is actively avoiding pissing off people and he is making bullshit conclusions out of other players' posts. Doesn't feel like the confident townie LSB, it looks exactly the opposite. The points about his response regarding chezinu and the sk thing don't really tell me much though.
Interesting meta call, can you back it up compared to my previous play? I don't remember what games I played with you. In addition, you didn't bother to back up this statement. I haven't commented on SKs, and the only comment I made about chezinu was in response to a policy lynch statement.
It really feels like he is actively avoiding pissing off people
Lol. Oh Reaaaallllyyyyy.
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Actually, upon re-reading... are you claiming mason with Chez bum?
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oops that was aimed at VE, I started writing before everyone else posted.
On December 21 2011 09:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 09:52 LSB wrote:Again.... what's up with you and triggers.... Just because someone has a trigger doesn't mean they are mafia. That section in particular makes a statement about triggers, and in particular says that town has triggers in an affirmative manner. You state this directly. The odd thing is that your post is structured to make it look like speculation, but you made an affirmative statement. This wasn't "Its possible that town has triggers too" it was "town has triggers too". ... Read the post again, it doesn't say that at all. It just says you guys should stop speculation, which is what you are doing right now Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. ... Read the OP, Ver phrased it in a way that makes it seem like there is an SK... This is new information that I guarantee you that no one else has said before. See? I don't rehash what people say Show nested quote +
Notice how in most of these posts, LSB attempts to "clarify" something and claims misunderstanding. In some of the circumstances, this is actually comical because some of the inferences LSB makes are ludicrous.
LSB asks if syllogism suggests we should all roleclaim right now. The obvious answer is no, no one in their right mind would suggest a mass roleclaim day 1, and I don't think syllo is the type of crazy player to be suggesting that. So then why ask a question you already know the answer to?
Perhaps to undermine that person later with a false assertion that they wanted a mass roleclaim day 1? That sounds pretty scummy!
Later LSB does something similar with what Chezinu said. He makes a statement that clearly shows either intentional misunderstanding or probing for future mistakes, by suggesting Chezinu was saying that people should be roleclaiming.
Syllogism is understandable, I thought he was responding to me. As for Chez's, I was asking for clarification on my interpretation of his post. I'll link the post here + Show Spoiler +Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die.
It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. one thing that people misunderstand about Chez is that they don't believe that he makes real statements. That is not the case. What Chez does is make things more obscure than normal. Naturally, I asked for clarification. In fact I was not the only one confused Show nested quote +I don't think that was what Chezinu was doing. I really don't see how that last paragraph LSB quoted from Chezinu could be
anything but a warning about the setup, not a call for people to be claiming, as Chezinu says "claiming is bound to come up," not that it is bound to come up now.
As he is a very good town player, I doubt LSB missed something I didn't, especially four consecutive times with two different players. If you don't understand what Chez's saying, wouldn't you ask for clarification? That's what I did. Are you saying that asking for clarification is a bad thing?
Okay, this post raises some more problems for me with LSB.
First of all, you warn people not to speculate, but in the next line you speculate that there is probably an SK based on something Ver said in the OP.
-_-
also, it wasn't really new information since it was listed in the OP to begin with. That's like being the first to say "There are definitely four scum" and claiming you added new information to the game just because you were the first to do it.
Lastly, my problem wasn't with you asking for clarifications. It was this unbased assumption about what Chezinu was saying:
On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:
If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
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On December 21 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah, you have a valid point that since he listed cop+medic that he possibly just felt listing SK was fine.
The problem is the other things give me pause. Cop+medic are far more common than SK, since they're in practically every game, so it's weird to see, at least for me, SK to be listed with them. Alone, that part is useless. However, mafia isn't about picking single things, it's about fitting lots of things together. That was just one thing that I saw that was weird.
Also, the bigger concern with LSB being good is that he made inferences that make no sense in the context of the posts he quoted. If anyone were to actually read syllo's or Chezinu's posts you would see that there is nothing in there about mass roleclaiming, or the suggestion that people do it.
Comeon... read the setup before playing... at least show some effort
On December 20 2011 05:58 Ver wrote:-Sadly no Pms.
-Flips will only show alignment (so Town or Mafia or Something else, not role.
-Extended Majority Lynch
-Closed Setup
-No Elections
-Mafia win condition is to equal or outnumber the town at any point. If they are in communication with the traitor, he is added to their total.
-Mafia will be given a list or some or all of the blue roles in the game but not told how many of each exist in the game.
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On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Really? This is what I said?
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I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him.
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On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said?
On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information.
I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles.
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On December 21 2011 10:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles.
Okay, that's a good point.
However, let's clarify to make sure!
Would the mafia team be notified if there is a serial killer or other third party present in the game?
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Foolishness
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On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him.
Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L
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On December 21 2011 10:18 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him. Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L
Best post in the thread yet.
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On December 21 2011 10:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:18 Foolishness wrote:On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him. Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L Best post in the thread yet.
Why all the L hate? I read L's first post and it was like BAM, metal intro music, bitches going crazy, etc. His second post gave me the same feeling. What has got you guys all worked up about L? I mean, aside from the THREE in-game posts he's made? They all appear to be fairly good contributions...am I missing something?
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Well that concludes that debacle
wherebugsgo: Greenish read. He sounds far to much like a tunneling townie than a calculated bus. Especially since he grasp at any straws to try to get his push through, rather than abandoning a hopeless case.
SamuelLJackson: Redish read. Doesn't offer anything substantial in his 'case' against me. I mean, he's the guy who believes that Chez claimed traitor
On December 20 2011 23:53 SamuelLJackson wrote:
GMarshal that's such stupid reasoning. If anything having two people post on the account just gives you twice as many chances to slipup and twice the scum tendencies. It's much more beneficial for Town since we can bounce ideas off each other and feed each other - as Mafia you already have that channel of communication with the rest of your teammates.
bum if I have to point out to you where Chezinu tried to claim Traitor then you're worse at reading than I can reasonably comprehend.
Think about how the reaction to Chezinu's claim so far has been - "oh that's just Chezinu being Chezinu." So if he's the Traitor then great, Mafia has found him already and Town will completely ignore him. sandroba tells me he's "too much fun" and we should keep him around unless he keeps trolling but consider that the OP states Traitor gets added to Mafia's numbers when they are found; if the KP formula is #/2 that means adding the Traitor day 1 gives you an extra KP. It's a play that makes complete sense for him as the actual Traitor and none as Town.
/Curu
So why doesn't he vote for Chez if that is the case?
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On December 21 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:19 Palmar wrote:On December 21 2011 10:18 Foolishness wrote:On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him. Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L Best post in the thread yet. Why all the L hate? I read L's first post and it was like BAM, metal intro music, bitches going crazy, etc. His second post gave me the same feeling. What has got you guys all worked up about L? I mean, aside from the THREE in-game posts he's made? They all appear to be fairly good contributions...am I missing something?
Now that you've proven you can scumhunt, you should be able to recognize textwalls that don't contribute jack, which is basically what L has produced so far.
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On December 21 2011 10:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 21 2011 10:19 Palmar wrote:On December 21 2011 10:18 Foolishness wrote:On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him. Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L Best post in the thread yet. Why all the L hate? I read L's first post and it was like BAM, metal intro music, bitches going crazy, etc. His second post gave me the same feeling. What has got you guys all worked up about L? I mean, aside from the THREE in-game posts he's made? They all appear to be fairly good contributions...am I missing something? Now that you've proven you can scumhunt, you should be able to recognize textwalls that don't contribute jack, which is basically what L has produced so far.
I hate myself for saying this but I actually agree with Palmar this time around
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On December 21 2011 10:18 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I wanted to wait for LSB to respond, but I agree that the OP including something else does seem to imply the possibility of third parties or other, similar roles. We know the traitor is one of these, but there's the possibility of a role like SK or Survivor, as well. I've never seen Survivors in any games here, though, but SKs are (were?) fairly common.
Also, Foolishness, do you have any other thoughts you'd like to share? From my experience playing with you, you avoid posting a lot as scum, and also try to avoid having to contribute. This makes you look like an apathetic or busy townie, but in my games with you, you turned out to be scum. So, I'd rather you remain more active than that, so I can get a better read on you.
Gonna re-read LSB's posts and WBG's case on him. Ignore Chezinu, silence bugs, kill L
I can guess the reason for the first one, any particular reasons for the latter two statements?
About LSB:
Right now, I'm getting a null-vibe off him. He hasn't contributed too much to the game so far, besides talking about mechanics/general things. His posts on these seem decently reasoned, and I can follow the logic behind them. He's also questioning people a lot, which I see as pretty normal for such an early stage in the game. He hasn't made any definite posts in regards to his thoughts on other players, though. So, he's null to me, until he starts talking about other players and pushing his opinion in the thread.
Edit Before Posting: LSB posted some of his reads, so that makes me feel a little better about him.
So, I don't particularly agree with WBG's analysis of LSB.
On December 21 2011 07:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Just to clarify, the part about wbg's case I find relevant is the bottom part and I'd like people to comment on it and LSB to respond to it.
LSB's posts so far seem very meek to me, always answering something or clarifying something. It really feels like he is actively avoiding pissing off people and he is making bullshit conclusions out of other players' posts. Doesn't feel like the confident townie LSB, it looks exactly the opposite. The points about his response regarding chezinu and the sk thing don't really tell me much though. Aren't these phrases contradictory? How can he be avoiding pissing people off when he's "making bullshit conclusions" out of their posts? That doesn't make much sense.
I'd also like to hear from Sheth, He hasn't really done anything but come in, quote me, and say: "I agree". What are your thoughts?
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