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On December 11 2011 07:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote: /in Still looking for how elections work, and I'm a mafia newbie. First game here ~ Time to go read the rules while I wait for this to start ! : ) Who's this scrub? | ||
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I will be voting for the person who stays active, transparent and makes the most sense to me today, and I recommend everybody else does this too. I will not vote for anybody based on what they've done in other games, if you want my vote you need to perform now, not yesterday. There are probably people who are more likely to do this than others, but my mind is open. On December 12 2011 12:37 Nisani201 wrote: Yes, Lord Sheth, that is called Meta Analysis and is used very commonly. However, it's important not to base your entire argument against someone on meta. This. If you take all meta out of a case and it doesn't look solid anymore, then it was probably bad to begin with. Meta should mainly be used as a tool for tuning in on potential scum, not as a basis for a lynch. @Liquid`Sheth Why are you running if you think you might not be the best choice for mayor? It sounds so far like you're just running on a generic campaign fueled by fear that you'll get killed off quick and this isn't appealing to me. Why exactly do you think that Radfield is town? I have never played with you before and I have a hard time understanding this "imaginary tone" that you speak of. Also as a gesture of goodwill: Hi, my name is Simon too, but this is my first name. I have a hard time coming up with two lies, so I'll just say four truths instead. | ||
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Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on. Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town? | ||
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What do you mean "somewhat control the game"? Just because they win the elected doesn't mean that everybody has to follow them unconditionally for the rest of the game. How are those roles extremely powerful? An extra vote can be powerful, but it is very rare that we see a lynch that comes down to a single vote anyway, and the Pardoner can't pardon anybody for no reason or the mob will have him. I'd think that it would suck to have Arctocod and Radfield/ProfessorBadass out of office because they will find scum if they are town, and scum can't do anything about it. If they are scum then they will put themselves very much in the spot light and they'll slip up and we'll lynch them, and scum can't do anything about it. Sucks that we didn't get townies the protection, but it's a lot worse to elect a townie who can't find scum over a townie who can find scum. | ||
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On December 12 2011 14:23 nyczbrandon wrote: Is it possible for the body guard to be a mafia? You'll have to ask the host about that but I doubt you'll get an answer. In PYP:Interesting scum could choose to have one of their members become a bodyguard that didn't protect the elected officials, but in the game the elected offices knew who the bodyguards were so that's a different scenario. The daypost alludes to the bodyguard being assigned using an unspecified algorithm, but I think we can assume that the bodyguard is effective in all cases, and that kinda means that he's very likely not scum. | ||
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If those we elect are scum, they will be put in the spotlight where they are more likely to slip up there than out of the spotlight. When they slip up, we lynch them. If they are not scum, they will find scum and there's nothing scum can do about it. If you think they're so good that they don't slip up as scum, then why would we lynch them at all no matter if they're elected or not? If town doesn't want to lynch scum just because they're elected officials, then town sucks. There's absolutely no reason not to lynch a scum just because he's elected. Why would you even elect someone "not as experienced", and by "not as experienced" I assume that you mean "not proven as good a scum hunter as other people"? What good will that even do us, if we put someone in office who can't find scum? Scum won't hit him anyway so the night protection loses its value, left are the double vote and the pardon but those are not very strong anyway. | ||
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Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office. @GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? | ||
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On December 12 2011 13:05 zeks wrote: [...] I probably won't be running but I hope other candidates do as I don't really want to see a Radfield/Arctocod office [...] On December 12 2011 23:51 zeks wrote: Voting Radfield + Arc [...] What changed your mind? You didn't want to vote Arctocod at first because you didn't think Palmar was that good a scum hunter, did he suddenly get better or something? | ||
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@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right? | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Heyo Prplhz! How do you feel about both Radfields and Arctocods campaigns ? Anything that's making you lean one way or the other? There's nothing that would make me keep either of those out of office as I kinda said in an earlier post. I'll place my vote to make sure as many of these two get into office, if I have the deciding vote I'll put it on Arctocod because I think they comprise the best townie in this game, but that is a highly hypothetical situation anyway. On December 13 2011 03:42 zeks wrote: Sure why not if theres a decent case on them wouldn't be a bad choice compared to a lurker Im talking about mayor candidates outside the elected ones obviously Why are you voting Radfield/Arc state your reasoning sir I stated my reasoning several times, if you have any concrete questions then go ahead and ask them. But you didn't say anything about "a decent case" in your original posts. You said that you had a "sixth sense" telling you that one of the hydras is scum, and then you suggested lynching into mayor candidates too. Why did you feel the need to point out these two groups of people if the criteria you want to lynch on is "a decent case" anyway? Saying you want to lynch on "a decent case" is an empty statement anyway, why would anybody not want to do that ever? @Comprissent I don't understand why you want to leave one of the elected offices for an inexperienced player, can you please explain this to me? @DEUS-ex-MAFIA What do you think of Liquid`Sheth so far? | ||
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ProfessorBadass is even a hydra and he's posted like twice. Less HoN, more mafia. | ||
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@Liquid`Sheth Lynching a lurker is usually just a backup plan that we execute in case we can't get a good read on anybody. Since there's like 30 hours until deadline it's better to try to scum hunt before we just lynch the guy with the lowest post count (especially since he will not be mafia). So, do you have any reads on anybody based on anything substantial yet? You said that I was "weird" in an earlier post, what exactly did you mean by this? | ||
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Hey, how do you suggest that we get started for real with the lynch discussion? | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:47 nyczbrandon wrote: Whose everyone going to vote for lynch? times gonna be up in about an hour I'm just gonna vote whoever you vote. Who are you voting? | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:53 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I just caught up on the thread. 1. No Pardon should not be carried out until the very late game, where there's probably some weird scenario in which pardoning would be important. However I don't think we need to discuss that now because there are too many possibilities. 2. Radfield seems to be playing pro-town. Palmar is not taking his usual controversial stance that he normally seems to assume. This is not scummy (I even think he said somewhere that he was going to try out a new style) but at this point I trust Radfield a lot more. ##Vote: Radfield (for election) Hey, what do you think about zeks? Don't you think we can skip pardon policy discussion until like, maybe night time when there's not much else to discuss? We have already spent a day figuring out who to elect, now we kinda need to focus on the lynch, wouldn't you agree? | ||
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On December 13 2011 11:02 evantrees wrote: We do Time Cycle: Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local] This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle. Hey you seem to be following the thread but not participating too much. How do you feel about zeks? What do you think about GreYMisT's case on Jitsu? | ||
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On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote: Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person. I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan? | ||
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Can you elaborate on that "I think Arctocod is likely mafia"? I don't follow you, you speculate that it's unlikely that they're both town and then you pretty much conclude that Arctocod is likely the one who is mafia? This seems like slander to me. GiygaS actually posted his weird mayor/pardoner list at a time when there was some confusion about the roles from a lot of people. I think he's shown that he's absolutely willing to play this game and I don't think he's done anything overly scummy, posting lists is a scumtell only when it's instead of some actual content which he has also provided. The guy is active and transparent and the case against him is bad, I don't think there's any reason to lynch him today. I don't know about GreYMisT. On December 13 2011 15:59 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: no. thats not what he intended to say. he said: lynching lurkers keeps everyone active but doesnt kill scum, therefor no. What do you mean "thats not what he intended to say", how do you know what he intended to say? Why aren't you looking at what he's saying and then asking him questions so he can tell us what he intended to say, instead of just telling everybody what he intended to say when you do not know this? The guy literally said "We should lynch some lurkers [...] but I don't think that will get us any mafia." You are usually all over little things like this, using them to exert pressure but right now you're using your psychic abilities to exonerate him instead. | ||
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Hey When did I ever say that it's better if mafia gets one of those jobs? Can you quote the post please because I can't find it  | ||
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When you said it is "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia", it sounded to me like you would rather have two people who are confirmed townies in office than two proven scum hunters like Radfield and Arctocod, who would be null tells. This makes no sense to me, especially after you used your "imaginary tone" to confirm Radfield, on a post that Radfield himself said was a null tell. There is no "100%" on day1, and even if there was, I would never pick 100% townie who can't reliably read the game over a day1 null tell who has the potential to ravage entire scum teams. Problem? I have argued that the people in office should be most accomplished scum hunters and I will be voting for them unless I get major scum vibes, and by major I mean major. This is also what just about everybody in this town thinks, so it is very likely the correct approach to elections. Now you are straight up lying when you say that "[prplhz] thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs". Dude, this is just bad. Only mafia has a reason to lie to discredit somebody, wouldn't you agree? Town would clear matters and minds up, but you just jump to conclusion and then you discredit me and try to get me lynched. | ||
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Do you still want to lynch me? | ||
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Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind. | ||
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@Radfield Why isn't Liquid`Sheth scum? You said in the beginning of this game that you wouldn't mind lynching an active player if he was scum, because of KP reasons. Now you are saying that you don't want to lynch him because he's active. I think he came inhere and he really wanted to play this game and he has + Show Spoiler + and I have totally enjoyed it I think ProfessorBadass would be a bad lynch. If they're still playing DotA2 tomorrow then lets look at them but unless you have a really good case then I think he would be a bad lynch. He hasn't done anything scummy and his single post besides his campaign had some good points I think. @DEUS-ex-MAFIA Where the hell are you? Why aren't you participating in the discussion, you're usually pretty active but right now you're lurking hardcore. It's almost 23PM in Germany, you can't possibly still be at a meeting, and you wanted lynch discussion, well here it is! | ||
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I think it's weird that you can go from thinking "he doesn't mind if elected officials are mafia" to writing "he thinks it's better if they are mafia", I have a hard time following this. Blaming it on your vibe is a bit cheap. You are again attributing something to me that I didn't say, I never asked "Why is it important that Mayor / Pardoner not be 100% mafia?", I asked "why is important that elected officials are 100% not mafia?" (url). Do you see the very important difference here? Why are you again misquoting me to make it seem like I said something that I didn't say? I think in spite of your high level of activity, your vibe/tone and your misquoting makes it extremely hard to a lot of sensible content out of you, wouldn't you agree? | ||
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"not 100% mafia" means that they are not confirmed scum "100% not mafia" means that they are confirmed town I was asking why it was important that elected officials are "confirmed" town, I wasn't asking why it was important that elected officials are not confirmed scum. I am not pushing anything yet, I am just trying to understand why you wanted to lynch a townie on a bad reasonable achieved using a questionable approach. | ||
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I think it's weird that supersoft has disappeared, he wanted people to talk about lynches and he's usually pretty active around these hours and a bit earlier, but today he's just totally disappeared, and we've heard nothing from annul either. Actually, everybody's disappeared and it's god damn 3 hours before deadline and we don't really have anybody we agree on. Where is everybody? | ||
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@ProfessorBadass What do you think about Refallen? | ||
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This also means that nyczbrandon is currently looking to become pardoner. So we need to decide a lynch and I think Nisani201 looks alright, I'd also be willing to vote for Refallen. @ProfessorBadass What do you think about Refallen? | ||
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For lynch, I like Nisani201, he should know better and he's not going to be missed. I also like Refallen for obvious reasons if you read his filter. Basically he said he'd be active but he isn't, and he's answering silly questions instead of providing original content. | ||
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@Radfield How would you like ProfessorBadass as your pardoner? | ||
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Even though Radfield wanted to lynch him, he never provided a case for why he was scummy so I'm going to vote ProfessorBadass for pardoner. | ||
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Both Radfield and Arctocod says that the lynch is bad and you should listen to those because they're likely the best townies here and they're agreeing. Look at the people on MrZentor right now: Eiii, GreYMisT, Cwave, MarserBlood, TotallyNotTwoPeople, Spaackle, Comprissent. This list isn't very impressive, Eiii got onto the lynch ages ago and GreYMisT, well I have no idea why he's on there really. This guy is very likely to flip town and you should all switch away from him right now. | ||
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On December 12 2011 14:39 Comprissent wrote: I believe Sheth means very influential One of the reasons Radfield/Arcotod are running is because of the game experience they have; Having a highly active mayor/pardoner with good game experience from what i've read in earlier games can lead to some folk automatically trusting whoever is in office. Mayor role gives you advantage of showing up town during DT checks (am i right?), and it is a very powerful position, if held by mafia. What earlier games are you talking about that can lead some folk automatically trusting whoever is in office? | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:00 Spaackle wrote: @ProfBA I've already voted and explained why. I'm also trying to stay active, but really don't have anything too constructive to add at the moment. You move your vote to ProfessorBadass, he's the best pardoner right now and a vote for Radfield by an active person is a vote thrown away. We don't want some random to suddenly race up and get elected because a lot of newbies thought it would be funny. Also switch your vote off MrZentor, I already explained why he's very likely not scum. You don't get to vote for people just because they're useless, this isn't a scum tell and there are people who are way more useless anyway. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:07 MrZentor wrote: [...] Yeah, killing me would be a bad idea. Well, I just wanted to clear up the confusion, not that I'm actually good at that. Let me just reiterate: killing me would be a bad idea. | ||
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##Vote Refallen | ||
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Shut up about MrZentor's role, we can talk about this during the night if we have to, right now we are finding a lynch. Spaaackle, your neck is on the line too, stop trying to distract people with nonsense questions. | ||
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How did you go from "Nisani201 is a lurker" to "Nisani201 is town"? | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:01 Radfield wrote: Do you really think it likely nisani is scum? Other than being completely inactive, I don't see a lot of red to his posts. What in particular sets you off? No, but I think that Spaaackle is town. Nisani201 is difficult to work with and he is lurking while Spaaackle has shown transparency and activity and willingness to learn. I don't think there's a bigger chance of having one flip scum over the other, maybe slightly bigger on Nisani201 but in the end it's the activity that does it. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:15 Comprissent wrote: It's bandwagoning in the sense that i just picked one of the candidates who were about to be lynched, but it was mostly so I could get my vote off of MrZentor Why did you want to get your vote off MrZentor? | ||
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Liquid`Sheth, what do you think about Eiii? | ||
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ALL MEDICS ON ARCTOCOD, NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES | ||
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Did you guys have anything to do with the withdrawal? | ||
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On December 13 2011 21:45 Eiii wrote: I'm going to bed now and will gladly discuss this more in the morning, but giygas feels a lot more to me like inexperienced townie than actual scum. I mean, his immediate latching on to LAL, his idea on how pardoner should work that almost seems sane at first glance... I agree that he's not significantly contributing, but given that he's only played one game other than this one and has clearly demonstrated that he's willing to post and speak his mind, I think he would be a poor lynch for today. You mention 201 though-- I *do* expect more out of him than what he's put out, since he's been around for a while. On December 14 2011 11:32 Eiii wrote: oh man I address sheth just as he addresses me I think removing Eiii is an awful idea! And I don't think 201 is scummy because he straight-up hasn't done anything scummy. He hasn't contributed, sure, and he's lurked a lot-- but if he hasn't developed significantly as a player since I last played with him, that is exactly what I would expect him to do as town. We have better targets to lynch today than a lurking townie. Why the blatant contradiction? Nisani201 didn't do ANYTHING in between these two posts. | ||
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I think it's unlikely we have more than one medic, but no matter what, if people have a way to protect Arctocod then they are going to do it. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES. If Arctocod dies tonight and later some medic claims to have protected the friendly neighborhood Balrog day1 because he "had a good feeling about him", then that medic dies. I think medics are pretty bad on this forum, so they need to have this explained to them with a sledge hammer. Arctocod is a good scum hunter, and he's active, and we have no reason to believe that he's scum yet. Protect him. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:21 Comprissent wrote: Back from another final, going to sleep again lest i throw up again :S Only comment I have for now is for Radfield, if you keep assuring us your first few days are never good, why should we listen to your opinions on lynching targets? You don't listen to a guy, you listen to an opinion. Your vote, your fault, there's no blaming Radfield here. Every townie should want to be listened to, is this weird to you or do you want people to just ignore you? You have been sketchy ever since your "I don't see the biggie in leaving Pardoner for an inexperienced player" idea. | ||
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So, Arctocod told you to send Eiii a bomb? You guys have the ability to send a "package" that will contain either a private message or a bomb, and Arctocod told you in a private message to send a bomb to Eiii? | ||
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On December 15 2011 11:16 bumatlarge wrote: Ok... so assumng this is a shot shot deal, they used it to prevent a mayor pick (who didn't seem to have the lead) as opposed to a lynchproof pick? That seems like an easy end game for mafia, seems rather stupid unless it was done by town. I could understand a town person doing that rather then making someone lynch proof. I'd claim that if I were you. Unless I read the rules wrong :X I don't understand this post. | ||
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On December 05 2011 09:40 kitaman27 wrote: [...] Total Mafia = 5 Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up) [...] | ||
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Props to jaj22, Cascades and Liquid`Sheth for fighting an uphill battle there after your two more experienced players had been killed off very early. | ||
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