Election Mafia

On December 14 2011 23:48 Arctocod wrote:


For the love of god.

If we have a vigilante, just shoot this guy. Please, please, please don't allow him to play.

On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote:

That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him.

On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote:

That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him.

On December 15 2011 05:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
okay curu, let me think about that... I really need to reread the happening last night (day1).
I believe that Palmogism is town for sure. Some real incredible shit has to happen to turn me around there.
Radfield doesn't look to bad either.
If you (curu), Palmo and Radfield are all town, (+ me and annul) who is scum then?

prplhz, greymist and risk are like 60% town for me, too.
I'd be pretty confused if you actually were town...

On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote:

I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well.

/syllogism

On December 14 2011 09:22 Arctocod wrote:
So yeah, Syllo went to sleep like 2 hours ago, we came up with both the ideas of pressuring Sheth and DropBear during the day, but both players seemed to respond in a way that wasn't conclusively scum.

I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum.

We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game.

I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201

Here's a link to his filter: Clicky

There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value.

He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post:



Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum.

Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum.

I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment.


##Vote Nisani201

On December 15 2011 07:14 GiygaS wrote:

I'm not Arc, but I think he's suspicious for sure.

Here is the filter link for him. If you want to look for yourself.

Contradiction
+ Show Spoiler +

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Complete WIFOM here. You could still very easily be scum.

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He has also been going on Greymist extensively with nothing but "instinct" to guide him. His play is chaotic and tries to illicit fear in a lot of townies, especially in the beginning where he was just throwing FoSes with literally no proof.

On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:
No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum.
same for Zentor.

Why?

Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.

On December 14 2011 11:41 Radfield wrote:
I think risk looks pretty town right now. I think he legitimately suspects you curu. Bad lynch in my eyes.

On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.

On December 14 2011 23:53 Radfield wrote:
hahahahaha

so awesome.

So VE, what do you think of Arctocod?

On December 15 2011 08:07 risk.nuke wrote:

So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic.

On December 15 2011 08:37 GiygaS wrote:
Risk, you're kind of sidestepping my points...

On December 15 2011 09:39 GiygaS wrote:
I sent him a way to tell me who to kill, as I for some reason thought a basically confirmed townie meant that his judgement would be more correct than others. When he bolded Eiii after 2 line-breaks was my cue to kill him. Again guys, I'm so sorry

On December 15 2011 09:42 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Arcto when you received the package from GiygaS was it anonymous or did it tell you it was him?

On December 15 2011 09:46 Arctocod wrote:
Anonymous, but he made it quite clear in the thread that it was from him.

The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1.

Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now.

So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate.

On December 15 2011 09:46 Arctocod wrote:
Anonymous, but he made it quite clear in the thread that it was from him.

The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1.

Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now.

So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate.

On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote:


Hello Eiii

prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind.

you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal.

On December 15 2011 10:00 risk.nuke wrote:

You're an idiot. Anyone could had written "Hi this is Giygas"

On December 15 2011 09:59 Radfield wrote:
Why did you kill Eiii Arcotcod? Specifically. I actually thought he was playing leaps and bounds over the last time we played(PYPIns).




He's spotlighting himself like a madman. He's getting everyone worked up about him, and he's pulling no punches. I completely agreed with the WHY? post, Nisani and Zentor were weak lynches and easy for scum to pile on. He also seems to have absolutely no fear about looking scummy, which is generally a townie trait.

However, that latest post DID look like a scum slip, but I can see where he was coming from. If the argument is that he is scummy for stopping those lynches, then that means one of Zentor or Nisani must have been scum. Him stopping the lynch on two townies is not scummy.

On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:


You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection.

Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy.

On December 15 2011 10:30 ProfessorBadass wrote:


Why would I know that? Maybe they thought two good players > 1. Maybe they think Palmar/syllo are better players than Radfield. I would argue against your Mayor point too, I preferred to put Palmar/syllo as Pardoner over Mayor because I feared Radfield's scum play a lot more.

Where are you going with these questions?

On December 15 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:
What was the arcotod withdrawal about? And is the night not over? Eiii was just killed by a instant vig or something?

On December 16 2011 04:00 Arctocod wrote:
MrZentor send in your action to extend the day

On December 16 2011 08:07 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna look at Risk.Nukes history and see if his town play has even been like this before.

On December 16 2011 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although it occurs to me that whatever you find will likely be argued to be useless as he's claimed in-thread that he's "changing his playstyle up" this game, essentially rendering any meta research done pretty null.

But I'm totally interested in what you find mang, this was literally next on my to-do list.

On December 16 2011 08:44 nyczbrandon wrote:


He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time.

On December 16 2011 09:03 risk.nuke wrote:

No sorry, I think I just had jetlagg from XLVII where I'm still suffering from beeing angry. Some of my accusations have been to spark argumentation. Not greymist though, Greymist is instinct altough I'm sorry I didn't realise you had to call it meta in order for it to be acceptable. Some of you have been freaking out so hard over me not providing solid evidence but compare it to who anyone says they want dead most of them will tell you "I don't like the way he plays, I think his play is suspicious or meta from earlier game" (altough this is starting to change now as we start to leave day 1, I glimpsed at ViceraEyes writing something that looked nice but I also think ViceraEyes is very fickle due to him playing in two game). I've been singled out because I've been more agressive then others.

Me changing my style is not referring to this game which from what I read you seem to belive. I ment I'm gonna stop how I've been playing in this game up untill now.

On December 16 2011 09:07 Radfield wrote:



Not at all. When I am quite suspicious of someone I often try to sit back and watch what they do. I don't put them in the hot-seat at all, and let them do what they would if they thought they were under no suspicion. I particularly do this with players who I expect to contribute, but are not.

The thing is, I pretty much already know what's going to happen once I hard accuse them, so I'm trying to get the maximum amount of knowledge on their baseline play before that happens.

Also, I am often wrong at this stage of the game, and once you start publicly accusing someone it's harder to change your views. By allowing player X to show he is contributing or being townish, it lets me save my effort for when I need it.


Thats all pretty general though, and the reason in this case is simply that I do not want that player to know I am suspicious of him. Very suspicious....

On December 16 2011 09:30 risk.nuke wrote:

What I mean by fickle I mean inconsistant. I think you have the potential to analyze and think and post. I also know you think you can be lazy which I think you were went you went after me, some of the things you have said like, "I was going to do that, let me know what you find out sounds lazy."

I played very differently in Steamship. If you want a reason I would guess moodswings.

On December 16 2011 09:56 risk.nuke wrote:
Fuck excuses I'm trying to tell the truth
What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that.

I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you.

On December 17 2011 06:14 Arctocod wrote:
What I can immediately tell you VisceraEyes, is that both of those players are in the bottom 10 slots (bottom = scum) of our excel sheet, but I guess that's why syllogism told you to investigate them.

I'll read the cases later tonight, I'm semi-busy now (I intended to write a case on Curu later tonight, because despite him being an emotional bitch, there is plenty of other stuff we considered when we decided to accuse him).

But looks like I won't need that. For someone who is such a strong player as Curu, there is absolutely no motivation to shut himself up as town. I simply cannot see it.

On December 17 2011 07:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
@VE
I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch.
I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler +That being said, I certainly wouldn't be too upset to see him gone, but I don't think it is a particularly good use of a lynch.

@nycz
Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games?

Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz.

@evantrees
How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 17 2011 11:06 GreYMisT wrote:


Thats the thing though, at that time he only had like 4 votes on him, and a lot of us were talking about other things.

On December 17 2011 11:09 Refallen wrote:
Also the role of silencing someone is definitely more Mafiaish then townish

On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote:
Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None.