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On December 14 2011 23:48 Arctocod wrote: For the love of god. If we have a vigilante, just shoot this guy. Please, please, please don't allow him to play. Real nice. Like, it's a wonder new people play here at all with vets who actively attempt to prevent people from enjoying games they join. Fuck this, Fuck you. I don't care if it was Syllo or Palmar who posted this, it's unacceptable and you should get a ban for it. You're fucking vets, people fucking listen to you. If I die overnight because of your stupid bullshit, I'm seriously never fucking playing here again. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote: That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. Whoa calm down buddy! FoS: risk.nuke | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote: That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. You know, mafia have potential to be of great use to town. Should we never vig mafia? Who is YOUR number-one vig target risk? Clearly you have an idea, or you wouldn't have insinuated yourself into the discussion... | ||
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On December 15 2011 05:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay curu, let me think about that... I really need to reread the happening last night (day1). I believe that Palmogism is town for sure. Some real incredible shit has to happen to turn me around there. Radfield doesn't look to bad either. If you (curu), Palmo and Radfield are all town, (+ me and annul) who is scum then? prplhz, greymist and risk are like 60% town for me, too. I'd be pretty confused if you actually were town... Could you explain the bolded statement? | ||
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What was the "real incredible shit" you were referring to, and how has it "turned you around"? | ||
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Now maybe answer my question? | ||
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On December 14 2011 02:52 Arctocod wrote: I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism QFT - it reads like he's preempting any suspicion he might pick up for his lynch choice today. Still reading. | ||
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On December 14 2011 09:22 Arctocod wrote: So yeah, Syllo went to sleep like 2 hours ago, we came up with both the ideas of pressuring Sheth and DropBear during the day, but both players seemed to respond in a way that wasn't conclusively scum. I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum. We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game. I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201 Here's a link to his filter: Clicky There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value. He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post: Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum. Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum. I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment. ##Vote Nisani201 How disappointing for you that I was the one to replace Nisani. Am I going to be your day 2 target for a similar case? I mean, you've already aired in-thread virtually identical concerns about me as a player as you did Nisani, and he was your choice for lynch d1, yes? Has anyone proven more dangerous to town to you than my 'ineptitude'? | ||
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On December 15 2011 07:14 GiygaS wrote: I'm not Arc, but I think he's suspicious for sure. Here is the filter link for him. If you want to look for yourself. Contradiction + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote: Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch. Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable. I don't need to add that I also think hydras should sign their posts. None of my answers for anything or just some of them? Furthermore I never said I liked Rafields plan, I liked the fact that he said something and everyone else mutualy agrees on it which indicates it was a pro-town action ergo pro-town play. Do you belive Deus-ex and TnTp hydras will be easy to get a read of? On December 13 2011 05:34 risk.nuke wrote: any kind of "those present should mutualy decide if to use pardon" is idiocy and a setup like that would only favor the mafia over town. The pardoner will have to decide himself if he is going to use it or not, and if he pardons it's at his own risk. Forbidding it is idiocy but we should warn him that by using the abillity chances are high we'll kill him. He was the one that brought up exceptions in the first place, then immediately condemns it when the town is against my ideas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Complete WIFOM here. You could still very easily be scum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He has also been going on Greymist extensively with nothing but "instinct" to guide him. His play is chaotic and tries to illicit fear in a lot of townies, especially in the beginning where he was just throwing FoSes with literally no proof. Interesting. I agree with your points. Interesting to note that he was instantly defensive of the FoS I threw his way in one of my first posts this game. As an aside GiygaS, I'm impressed with your play this game. It does NOT feel the same as your play in SNMMII. I've got a town read on you so far. I'm only about halfway through, but I like what I've seen so far. Keep it up plx. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote: No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing. Okay, this post. What is going on with this post? He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why? Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing). My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder. Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously? | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:41 Radfield wrote: I think risk looks pretty town right now. I think he legitimately suspects you curu. Bad lynch in my eyes. Oh because Rad said so. Makes sense. Radfield, can you explain how risk looks town to you? Like, could you explain a townie motivation for the Why? post I just quoted a bit ago? | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote: No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them. No, I'm building a case based around your scummy bullshit bro. I never said they were red (and yes, I realize I'm Nisani). What I said was you were putting a stop to their lynch with your post, though I can see how you'd think that's what I meant. I was saying that the way you were going about stopping the lynch was scummy. | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:53 Radfield wrote: hahahahaha so awesome. So VE, what do you think of Arctocod? Null. I've found myself agreeing more than disagreeing with him so far and that's refreshing. What do you think of Arctocod? | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:07 risk.nuke wrote: So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic. LOL No. That's not my point...although I have to ask, what makes you so certain that Zentor and I are townies? Seriously, inquiring minds want to know. That's information that only we and scum have, so explain how you've come across it with such certainty that you try and use it as a defense of my argument? | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:37 GiygaS wrote: Risk, you're kind of sidestepping my points... Yes, could you respond to GiygaS points against you? I mean, you act like I've put you through the ringer, and I only JUST finished reading the thread - I haven't yet begun to tunnel you. Your repeated logical fallacies and appeals are only confirming my read on you. You're fucking caught bro, and I think town will agree with me by dusk tomorrow. Just sayin. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:39 GiygaS wrote: I sent him a way to tell me who to kill, as I for some reason thought a basically confirmed townie meant that his judgement would be more correct than others. When he bolded Eiii after 2 line-breaks was my cue to kill him. Again guys, I'm so sorry I get antsy when people talk about being "mod-confirmed" the way Palmogism has...Obviously the most logical assumption to make is that Mafia wanted Palmogism to be without protection, but why not Rad in that case? Why Palmogism instead of the LEADING candidate, the one who clearly has more town-cred and SHOULD be without protection? No one is mod-confirmed until a flip, and I want everyone to keep that in mind moving forward. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:42 ProfessorBadass wrote: Arcto when you received the package from GiygaS was it anonymous or did it tell you it was him? Arcto made it pretty clear that he didn't know who it was from - asking everyone to 'pretend to know what he's talking about' so he could determine who sent it. Okay, I see what's happening now. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:46 Arctocod wrote: Anonymous, but he made it quite clear in the thread that it was from him. The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1. Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now. So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate. Why can we not assume GiygaS is town mistakenly thinking that you're town, when you're in fact scum? | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:46 Arctocod wrote: Anonymous, but he made it quite clear in the thread that it was from him. The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1. Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now. So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate. Palmogism lies about the contents of the package. Why? On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote: Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. Clearly he read and understood the message, why say he didn't know who it was from? I understand wanting to CONFIRM who it was from, but he literally JUST said that the package was anonymous, yet 'Hi I'm GiygaS' was the first line in the message? WTF? | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:00 risk.nuke wrote: You're an idiot. Anyone could had written "Hi this is Giygas" In the future, please refrain from answering questions not directed at you please. I ask because he EXPLICITLY said that the package was anonymous, yet GiygaS CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY said who it was from. I already said I can understand that he would want to CONFIRM who the package was from, please read my posts before you call me an idiot again. What I'm trying to understand is why Palmogism EXPLICITLY said the package was anonymous when asked, yet that information is contradictory to what GiygaS claimed he sent. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:59 Radfield wrote: Why did you kill Eiii Arcotcod? Specifically. I actually thought he was playing leaps and bounds over the last time we played(PYPIns). He's spotlighting himself like a madman. He's getting everyone worked up about him, and he's pulling no punches. I completely agreed with the WHY? post, Nisani and Zentor were weak lynches and easy for scum to pile on. He also seems to have absolutely no fear about looking scummy, which is generally a townie trait. However, that latest post DID look like a scum slip, but I can see where he was coming from. If the argument is that he is scummy for stopping those lynches, then that means one of Zentor or Nisani must have been scum. Him stopping the lynch on two townies is not scummy. So you agreed with the part about "bandwagons are 99% of the time townie lynches / bussing scum"? You agreed with the "all bandwagons are scum-influenced"? Come on Radfield. Dig deep bro. | ||
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Why is that unimportant? He's literally saying 'you can't trust anyone pushing for a lynch because they're probably scum'. It's fear-mongering, and it's anti-town. How is that not important? And why would scum not try and influence the lynch on days after day 1? Is it not in their best interest to have townies lynched all game long? | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote: You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from? | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:30 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why would I know that? Maybe they thought two good players > 1. Maybe they think Palmar/syllo are better players than Radfield. I would argue against your Mayor point too, I preferred to put Palmar/syllo as Pardoner over Mayor because I feared Radfield's scum play a lot more. Where are you going with these questions? I didn't say you would 'know' that, I was asking if you could think of any scum motivations for it. I haven't played ANY election games, so I'm struggling with the nuances of the setup. And I'm not going anywhere, I'm just trying to make sense of the recent events. | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote: What was the arcotod withdrawal about? And is the night not over? Eiii was just killed by a instant vig or something? He was apparently 'force withdrawn' or something...yes, night ends in like 2 or 3 hours (I can never figure out exactly when this shit happens XD) and yes, Eiii just died to a day-vig controlled by Palmogism supplied by GiygaS. | ||
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Not sure on the election mechanics...so whoever gets first place will get the Secretary of Defense and whoever gets 2nd gets the Surgeon General, is that right? Sheth: If I had to call down the thunder, it would be on risk.nuke 100%. | ||
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On December 16 2011 04:00 Arctocod wrote: MrZentor send in your action to extend the day Did you do this exclusively to confirm his claim guy? Like, was there any other reason to have him burn that power today? | ||
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Assuming syllo, what are YOUR thoughts on risk.nuke bro? Can we smoke that fool today plx? | ||
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On December 16 2011 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Not sure on the election mechanics...so whoever gets first place will get the Secretary of Defense and whoever gets 2nd gets the Surgeon General, is that right? Can someone answer this plz before I cast my election vote? | ||
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Ergo, my election vote will be going on GiygaS, with the intent of him getting Surgeon General. | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:07 GiygaS wrote: I'm gonna look at Risk.Nukes history and see if his town play has even been like this before. So town. You go on, bro. Tell us what you find, because I had intended to do this once I finish what I'm doing now. ROCK!!! | ||
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But I'm totally interested in what you find mang, this was literally next on my to-do list. | ||
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MarserBlood Opening post doesn't say much. Basically says "I don't know who to elect or lynch" Decides who to elect, not sure who to lynch. Zeks isolation analysis. Cites that he chose Zeks because he was "one of the suspicious persons," but finds his contributions satisfactory and chooses to vote MrZentor because of "a scummy post" he made, and lack of "obvious scum" to vote. Also states aversion to lynching lurkers for obvious reasons (no info, probably town, etc.) Here and here he states suspicion that Mafia was behind the removal of Palmogism from the electoral running. Also "congratulates the doc" in dismaying over the loss of a blue. But taken with wanting to talk about something at night, I still get a null read from these posts. Here I can't tell if he's trying to appear pro-town or trying to maintain a productive atmosphere in town, so again…null. Soft-defends Radfield from an attack by risk.nuke. Verdict: Null leaning Town. nyczbrandon Notes his inexperience. You only get one freebie guy. Short response to Spaackle saying he should think for himself. Uh oh… another appeal to his newbishness… He also comments on Zeks, saying he was suspicious before, but because he called out Sheth for a perceived contradiction….what? He's not suspicious anymore? He doesn't say. But he does say that he'll vote for MrZentor or Sheth. Sheth I assume for the 'contradiction', and Zentor because he "seems to change votes a lot." I don't know, it seems to me like a raw-newbie wouldn't consider indecision as a scum-tell. Possibly help from outside sources? His scum-buddies? I DON'T KNOW BRO! Here is something interesting. A raw-newbie asking about a modkill for not voting. I mean, okay, it's a valid question from anyone who read the OP…but this seems to indicate that he did NOT read the OP. Curiouser and curiouser. Verdict: Newb-Scum Lean | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Although it occurs to me that whatever you find will likely be argued to be useless as he's claimed in-thread that he's "changing his playstyle up" this game, essentially rendering any meta research done pretty null. But I'm totally interested in what you find mang, this was literally next on my to-do list. On December 16 2011 08:44 nyczbrandon wrote: He did say that he was going to try and change styles this time. Amazing. | ||
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In seriousness though, why aren't you willing to share YOUR reads? Are you afraid of vet-bias or something? "Hey guys, Rad said he's suspicious! GET HIM!!!!" | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:03 risk.nuke wrote: No sorry, I think I just had jetlagg from XLVII where I'm still suffering from beeing angry. Some of my accusations have been to spark argumentation. Not greymist though, Greymist is instinct altough I'm sorry I didn't realise you had to call it meta in order for it to be acceptable. Some of you have been freaking out so hard over me not providing solid evidence but compare it to who anyone says they want dead most of them will tell you "I don't like the way he plays, I think his play is suspicious or meta from earlier game" (altough this is starting to change now as we start to leave day 1, I glimpsed at ViceraEyes writing something that looked nice but I also think ViceraEyes is very fickle due to him playing in two game). I've been singled out because I've been more agressive then others. Me changing my style is not referring to this game which from what I read you seem to belive. I ment I'm gonna stop how I've been playing in this game up untill now. "fickle due to him playing in two games"....what does this mean? And could you comment on the inconsistencies that GiygaS pointed out between how you played in Steamship Liquidia where you were town-aligned and your play this game? Your cooperation would be appreciated. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:07 Radfield wrote: Not at all. When I am quite suspicious of someone I often try to sit back and watch what they do. I don't put them in the hot-seat at all, and let them do what they would if they thought they were under no suspicion. I particularly do this with players who I expect to contribute, but are not. The thing is, I pretty much already know what's going to happen once I hard accuse them, so I'm trying to get the maximum amount of knowledge on their baseline play before that happens. Also, I am often wrong at this stage of the game, and once you start publicly accusing someone it's harder to change your views. By allowing player X to show he is contributing or being townish, it lets me save my effort for when I need it. Thats all pretty general though, and the reason in this case is simply that I do not want that player to know I am suspicious of him. Very suspicious.... Fair enough. As you were. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:30 risk.nuke wrote: What I mean by fickle I mean inconsistant. I think you have the potential to analyze and think and post. I also know you think you can be lazy which I think you were went you went after me, some of the things you have said like, "I was going to do that, let me know what you find out sounds lazy." I played very differently in Steamship. If you want a reason I would guess moodswings. Why is going after you 'being lazy' exactly? I pointed out exactly what I thought was scummy, said why I thought it was scummy. And I guess you're selectively reading, because I asked Palmogism who they wanted me to look into and I was balls-deep in that when GiygaS cited interest in looking into your meta, which was on my to-do list so I approved his action - again, in what way is this lazy? If anything, it shows how lazy YOU are for not reading the thread. So 'moodswings' is the reason that in SL you played a decent town game (and were aligned with town) and you're playing like scummy balls this game? Mmmmmkay. As I said before, I'm not coming after you today because the vets think you're probably town and I won't get support for your lynch while that's the general consensus among the vets. But watch your ass man, if you start slippin' and the vets change their opinions, I'm comin' for ya. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:56 risk.nuke wrote: What do you want from me, I played spammy and agressive in my last game and I was town then but nobody mentions that. I know I'm town so if you're getting the conclusion that I am mafia you're clearly getting it wrong. ViceraEyes I'm just telling you what your case on me sounded like from my perspective, and in my opinion it wasn't very deep. I think you thought I looked scummy and wrote a bunch of 2 minute posts on me in combination with tunneling. If you were serious and put in alot of effort in reading me well then the more fault to you. Cool bro! Maybe you could do some scumhunting instead of continually defending yourself after I've stated very clearly that I'm not even looking at you anymore! Yeah? No? Here's a start - tell me what you think about....oh I don't know, let's start with zeks. Read through his posts and tell the class what you think about him. | ||
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Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that. Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing. Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing. Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings. If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead. | ||
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us = them in the last statement - I included myself in the original post, but decided to instead do players he's either voiced suspicion of or defended, just forgot to change the us to them. | ||
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I had to read through his posts twice before I found anything worth even mentioning. Also, I'm having a hard time discerning what he's voting people for - as his reasoning is almost universally nil…so I had to go back and look at the posts in context to find out what he's talking about a lot of the time. Also, there's a distinct lack of trying to find scum, so don't even try to look for it. Here though he claims he'll look at zeks and GreYMisT. Doesn't. Does, however, claim to vote for my slot. For funsies. RNG's his election vote…that's not only bad for town, but simultaneously makes him absolutely free of accountability for his choice! WUT? Honestly, I'm not sure what this post is supposed to be saying. At the time, there was a vote-switch in the works. My slot was being voted by a lot of people and Rad (I think) came in and said that someone else should be lynched instead. Not sure why, but my guess is the whole 'don't lynch lurkers'…also my slot didn't vote, so maybe he was hoping for a better replacement. AT any rate, I don't know what evan is commenting on in this post, but resolves to look at Spaackles. This post…this post is something. He defends his RNG for Pardoner by saying 'I didn't start that'…I think. Also, defends his choice of Nisani as a lynch by saying 'Palmogism told me to'…which isn't the worst reason in the world (for fun, arguably, is). And defends his decision to not defend himself because "we had a bigger problem". PAUSE I'm assuming the "bigger problem" was Arctocod being removed from the electoral race. Why would that be a problem for him? 1) he wasn't voting for Arctocod, 2) he didn't care who won (lolRNGlol), and 3) he wasn't talking about it at all. So why would that be a valid excuse to not defend the accusations against him? RESUME He then goes on to say 'for goodness sakes, don't waste a check on me' qualifying it with 'at least use it on someone who might cause town a problem if they were scum'. Really? REALLY? 1) No one was even talking about checks that I can see, 2) You're not contributing, so how are we supposed to gauge your alignment? 3) 'for goodness sakes'…like it would be some kind of huge mistake. 4) any scum are a problem, you included. If you're scum, we need to know because you're going to cause a problem. Saying DTs should check someone else because you're a 'weak player' is…weak bro. Verdict: leaning Scum | ||
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Look evantrees, I don't want to lynch you if you're not scum. But simply saying you're not scum isn't enough. We're here to play a game together, and you're not playing. If you're a part of town, you need to be thinking like a townie. That means doing things that are in the best interest of town. Let's take the d1 elections for example. WHY would you RNG your vote? I mean, okay, you say "Because I didn't know who to vote for!" So your best answer to combat this problem is...randomly choosing between 3 people that you are COMPLETELY in the dark about their alignment? In what way is that good for town? Any or all of those 3 people could be scum! "But VE, the same can be said of any of you!" It's true! You're right! But fate and luck are NOT weapons in the town arsenal. In Town, we look at the candidates, decide who WE find the least suspicious, and vote for them. You said you didn't want to vote the good Professor. That's noble and a great start. Why not? Suspicious? GREAT! Did the other candidates have anything in COMMON with the good Professor? STRIKE THEM OFF THE LIST! This isn't hard bro, you just have to be willing to take a stand for what you believe in. The idea is to find suspicious behavior. My idea of suspicious is clearly very different from yours (I mean, surely you think that the way you're playing is the way town plays, regardless of your alignment.) So what's the deal? Is no one doing what you would consider to be 'suspicious'? I mean, let's be real here. Are you reading the thread? Are you REALLY looking through filters? Are you REALLY reading peoples' posts? | ||
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Palmogism, assuming that Prof.Badass is absolutely unlynchable today, who would you want to lynch and why? | ||
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Palmogism, go look at my analysis of evantrees and nyc immediately and tell me what you think of those players. I feel like there's a really good chance of hitting scum between them. Am I wrong? If so, why am I wrong? | ||
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On December 17 2011 06:14 Arctocod wrote: What I can immediately tell you VisceraEyes, is that both of those players are in the bottom 10 slots (bottom = scum) of our excel sheet, but I guess that's why syllogism told you to investigate them. I'll read the cases later tonight, I'm semi-busy now (I intended to write a case on Curu later tonight, because despite him being an emotional bitch, there is plenty of other stuff we considered when we decided to accuse him). But looks like I won't need that. For someone who is such a strong player as Curu, there is absolutely no motivation to shut himself up as town. I simply cannot see it. Don't be coy Palmar, you know damn well why he did it. He's accepting his fate because you've decided to lynch him. I can see that from Curu regardless of his alignment. Now please stfu and answer my question or something god-awful is going to happen to you. | ||
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Interesting how you've got plenty of time to argue with Curu and explain why ProfessorBadass can't POSSIBLY be town, but suddenly when someone wants to talk about something else, you're 'kinda busy now'. That's cool. No, I get it. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @VE I agree in wanting discussion going on besides just the Curu/ProfessorBadass lynch. I believe I mentioned it before, but I am leaning toward newbie town over newbie scum on nycz. As I mentioned before, I think if he was on a scum team they would have offered him at least some pointers on his play to make it less useless. If I am correct about him being town, I'd really appreciate it if he could step it up and be more active and post some well thought-out analysis on someone. At the very least he could do what he said he would do here:+ Show Spoiler + @nycz Have you looked at any of the guides/records of previous games? Regarding evantrees, I see a lot of the stuff that scum loves to do to be 'useful', like answering things that can be answered by looking in the op, looking at the voting thread, etc. I would be much more comfortable lynching him than I would be lynching nycz. @evantrees How about you give your top 2 scum reads and some analysis on them? You said you were trying to be helpful, and your scum reads will be infinitely more helpful than things like:+ Show Spoiler + We do Time Cycle: Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local] This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle. last one took him a few minutes(at 12:19) as well, hopefully not 19 minutes this time. He's making it appropriately themed I suppose. too try keep it at 3 as long as possible as in not go down to 4 members Total Mafia = 5 Mafia kp=#mafia/2 (rounded up) Elected peopel can't be lynched that day. lynchproof for the day only + some sort of ability most likely, expecting Police Chief to show up sometime given the dead list from day 1 but what that would do not sure. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. I could list more, but I think you get the point.the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. *cheer* I'm starting to agree with you regarding nyc, but I'd like for him to be more active before I say that a lynch would be wasted on him. | ||
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What do you think about Sheth? Can he be trusted? Palmogism seems to think that there's a good chance he's red if Curu flips red, do you think that's accurate? | ||
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But be that as it may, you've spent an awful lot of time discussing the whole nonsense...for someone who claims to now be interested in discussing "post-curu-stuff". So how about it? | ||
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So, AbsolutelySingularEntity, if Curu were somehow unlynchable today, who would you want to lynch and why? | ||
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Bum, what do you mean by "questionable"? Do you think he's scum or not? | ||
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On December 17 2011 11:06 GreYMisT wrote: Thats the thing though, at that time he only had like 4 votes on him, and a lot of us were talking about other things. Yeah, that's why I'm down with lynching him...the early-freakout is too much for me. Like, if he'd done this nonsense when he had like, a few more votes then I'd probably think twice...but with 4 votes, I'm failing to see a townie reacting like that. | ||
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On December 17 2011 11:09 Refallen wrote: Also the role of silencing someone is definitely more Mafiaish then townish Given the nature of the game, I probably disagree with this statement. In a normal game, sure. Haven't we already flipped one townie who has a "mafia-flavored" power? Just sayin. | ||
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I quit trying now. KTHX | ||
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This game. | ||
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I like where this is going. I'll be back with thoughts later. | ||
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Pt. 1 - Pre-Madness. (Being the account of Sheth's behavior before Arctocod was removed from office and ProfessorBadass became the flavor of the day.) Responses which kinda set Sheth's tone in the game. He's relatively active, and tries to respond to any questions asked of him in a timely fashion. Not much in this particular post to comment on, just thought it was a good indicator of what I've seen in general in Sheth's posts. Here is another good indicator of Sheth's mindset this game. He's not really afraid to give his opinion on things. Like, when I was after risk.nuke, the responses I got from the vets was "Oh, he's acting too scummy to actually be scum" I haven't found Sheth's play to be particularly scummy, but he's certainly not afraid to draw attention to himself...he was initially running against Rad and Arctocod for Mayor/Pardoner, he typed up a (ridiculous ) conspiracy theory earlier in the game, etc. Something I don't like about Sheth, however, can be found here. Sheth is very liberal with insisting that "I'm town." Like, yes, sure sir...we're all town, right? Simply stating as much doesn't add to your credibility, and the amount that he does it actually detracts from it. Just a minor point against him imo. There's something in this post that I did like from sheth. It's at the end, the bit about "I don't want to end it without hearing from other people who have campaigns started". If I had been in the game, I would have given him props then. It's very town to generate discussion, and demanding activity from people trying to be in a town-leadership postion gives Sheth +Town from me. Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it? Two things here. One, prodding inactives to post and aversion to easy (lurker) bandwagons. Uh oh...I don't like soft-defending someone without letting them speak for themselves. Yeah...here we see Sheth being wishywashy regarding risk.nuke. I understand the need for 'clarity' or 'transparancy', but statements like "I'm NOT saying hes mafia" make me wonder why. If his posts show very little logic and appear to be randomly accusatory, why aren't you saying he's mafia? Those are mafia traits, as I understand them. He acts the same way regarding prplhz in the post previous. Just don't like it. Feel free to comment on any of this, and stay tuned for Pt 2, where we explore Sheth's behavior in the face of confusing twists and our first flip! | ||
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Patience sir, I'm just trying to be thorough. This isn't a "case" against Sheth, I've been going through his posts and making notes. And also, I'm not finished (hence the Pt. 1). | ||
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On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote: Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None. QFT I mean, Bum isn't the most active of dudes in my experience, but his posting this game has been...unimpressive. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth Verdict: Leaning town. Everyone look long and hard at evantrees. I've thrice asked someone other than Bum to comment. Arctocod can't be bothered, that bothers me. Rad also is way too busy. | ||
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