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We're all three of us good players We're all good at scum hunting We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2. We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum. The main benefit of the mayor and pardoner roles is the protection of the hidden bodyguard. With him alive, the elected roles can't be touched. As such it makes sense to use that protection to keep strong players alive, players who are likely to be targeted by mafia. In PYPInsane myself and Mig were elected, two strong town players and we cruised to victory. In this game I recommend we do the same. Palmar, Syllogism and Myself all have the ability to be completely game changing if left alive long enough, elected roles does that. Palmar and Syllo, maybe you guys weren't planning on running, but that would be foolish, and you guys aren't foolish. Obviously I have no idea of Palmar/Syllos alignment, and everyone only has one vote, so please vote for me. However, Palmar/Syllo should most likely be in second place. A vote for me is a vote for town victory. | ||
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On December 12 2011 13:08 GiygaS wrote: On Jitsu's lynch policy question, I believe in LaL heavily[.....] I think LAL is pretty terrible. It does two things wrong: One, it gives mafia a legitamate topic to discuss early game, when in fact we want them discussing elections and lynches. Two, it gives mafia a reason to push townies who may lie, even when the circumstances are not particularly damning to the townie. Every lie needs to be treated on a case by case basis. Townies lie ALL THE TIME, whether LAL exists or not, so it does not make sense to implement the policy. Not to mention, voting based on policy after Day 1(or even day 1) is terrible for town. We vote on content, not policy. On December 12 2011 13:29 Eiii wrote: Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion. Could we start discussing in advance how the pardoner should be used? Hydras are only as good as the time they have to invest in the game. I agree that a Palmar/Syllo hydra is a potent force, but I don't think that a hydra by definition is better than a single player. If I was hydra'd onto an inexperienced player, I fail to see how that would be stronger than me by myself. Note on the Pardoner: Every game the pardoner exists people talk about how scary the pardoner is if in mafia hands, but this is NOT TRUE. This is where policy is actually helpful. The pardoner MAY NOT use their pardon, ever, end of story. Even if you are a townie pardoner, and think whomever is getting pardoned is town, you STILL do not use a pardon. The reason for this is that if town reaches a majority, pardoning that player throws town into chaos, regardless of the alignment of the player pardoned. Palmar has stated several times that he will not vote for a player just to get a lynch(in majority lynch scenarios) if he thinks they are town, and this is a good gameplan. But that does NOT transfer over to pardoning players who you think is town(not that palmar thinks this). It is never worth it to break town atmosphere and toss it into chaos in order to save one townie. The Pardoner NEVER uses the pardons. Period. If a pardoner ever uses a pardon, we lynch him the next day(or vig him that night if we are able to). For this reason the pardoner is not dangerous until lylo(or close to it). Only once we get to lylo does the pardoner become dangerous. This is why it is essential that if we have a pardoner of questionable alignment, we get rid of them before the endgame. However before that, on day 1/2 and probably 3, they are not worth worrying about. LALurkers - Lurking is also anti-town. In the games I have played (limited experience) mafia who lurk, and are forced to the surface because of a Lurker Policy, can slip up very, very easily. Forcing discussion is never a bad thing. The more that is discussed, the more that can be analyzed by the townie populace, and the better decisions can be made. Lynching lurkers is a somewhat viable strat for Day 1, particularly in a game with many players who are unknowns. However I am strongly against it in this situation. With a mafia KP of 5/2 rounded up, it is hugely beneficial for us to pick off a mafia day 1, and I have never seen a lurker flip mafia on day 1. So I think we should hone our lynch onto active players, even at risk of killing an active townie. The risk vs reward is really high in this setup. On December 12 2011 14:48 Comprissent wrote: I do think it is better to put a more active person into office anyways, it is up to town to catch a slipup This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. It's just like what was just said, these positions don't really control the game so what's the biggie with leaving one office for someone not as experienced? This quote doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but maybe I am reading it wrong. The purpose of putting active experienced players into the elected roles is to keep them safe. That's it. There is no reason to keep someone safe who is either highly inexperienced, or only moderately active. On December 12 2011 15:40 Jitsu wrote: I agree with this. Radfield tied himself quickly to another player. I have no scumread on him right now (nothing he has done really screams "mafia" to me) but I think we should hold on voting and bandwagoning this early, regardless. How would it look if Arcotocod flipped mafia after Radfield tied himself too him? Arctocod flipping mafia would say nothing about my alignment in strict terms. One, I tied them to myself on policy, before even seeing them post. Two, the likelyhood of us both being scum is quite low. If anything Arctocod flipping scum makes it more likely for me to be town. Furthermore, if we are both mafia, there is very little incentive to tie ourselves together. Honestly though, at this point the only thing that ties us together is that we are both vets. On December 12 2011 16:31 cascades wrote: I must be missing something. A lot of people like Sheth are saying Radfield is protown, but he only has one post as of now, and I don't see it. His post just states information any non first time players should know. In fact, he straightforwardly suggests Arc without caring about his alignment. Anyhow, my analysis of his post indicates that it is a post both townie Radfield AND mafia Radfield would make. I would like to warn people not to jump to conclusions like that. They may be strong players, but that indicates nothing about their alignment. Correct. I could have easily made my first post as either town or mafia. Basing a read off of the first post in the game is most definitely jumping to conclusions. Arcto, Drpobear I dont know, Gigas so far so good. A little too early for me to be making reads though. | ||
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On December 12 2011 22:55 Arctocod wrote: For the record, that was syllogism. I suppose we could start tagging our posts. I do not find your answer satisfactory as speaking up first says very little about his alignment. Tagging your posts would actually be quite helpful. That goes for all the hydras. | ||
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On December 13 2011 00:20 Cwave wrote: I don't see how it's a good plan to put you two(three) in those positions based on your statements and catchy phrases like "A vote for me is a vote for town victory". I rather put on of you in office and have the other "pro" fight for his spot round 2. That would give me more info then selecting our apparent two "pro players" to get the first two elected spots we have been given. These are the two positions that make the most sense to give to veteran players. I don't know what the other elections will bring, but I doubt they will make anyone unkillable at night. We basically have the ability to make two players invulnerable to mafia for a given amount of time(until the BG dies). It makes the most sense to put your best players there, the ones most likely to do damage to mafia, and the ones most likely to get killed by mafia. Future elections might have things like dt checks or vig shots available, but those can go to any player, and don't necessarily need to go to vets. As long as we can all pitch in and discuss the action, it's only important that those go to town-aligned players(any town aligned player, vet or brand new). | ||
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On December 13 2011 00:52 Jitsu wrote: I don't understand your reasoning on this. Seeing as how you are a veteran, I will bow to your decision however and drop the issue. I'd much rather you understand what I'm saying. Which part doesn't make sense? And just because I'm a veteran doesn't mean I'm right. I bet there are plenty of vets who disagree with my statement on LAL (and they might be right!). I'll be gone for about the next 9 hours. Might be able to pop on around dinner time though. | ||
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On December 13 2011 02:52 cascades wrote: Similarly, I believe we should impose a policy restriction on mayor that Radfield omitted in his mayor election post. If two people are within 2 or even 1 vote count of each other, I think mayor should not interfere and make the 2nd place suspect the lynch instead. Letting the mayor have essentially 3 votes that he can abuse from day 1 seems like a bad idea. No, If I am mayor and think someone is scum, I'm going to try to lynch them using any means at my disposal. I put in more than three times as much time as many players, I have no problem with using 3 times the voting power  On December 13 2011 03:49 Comprissent wrote: Ok, so assuming we stick to this play on No pardoning, no exceptions, the only advantage either of the offices gives is immunity on night 1 from getting hit. This just helps us keep the vets alive, am i right? I'm pretty sure it gives them immunity for as long as the bodyguard is alive. So in theory mafia could shoot the bodyguard, Mayor and Pardoner all on night 1. Conversely they could have immunity all game if the bodyguard never dies. On December 13 2011 03:51 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Compreissent, they have immunity on day2 from getting lynched, and they have immunity on every night until the BG is dead. I believe. No, anyone elected gets pardoned for the day they are elected. Not the day after they are elected. From the OP: Election winners/runner ups will be pardoned during the corresponding day lynch. On December 13 2011 04:24 Arctocod wrote: Hey radfield don't you find it a bit strange how no one is arguing against you being elected yet, even subtly? It's always either vote for us both or vote for rad+someone else. I even opened the door for that when I stated early on that I found your first post a bit off Same thing happened during the election in PYPInsane. The only players questioning me were townies, and almost everyone voting me for mayor was scum. I don't know why it happens, but I'm glad it does. I'm just an easy player for mafia to vote for, as there are legit reasons I suppose. More importantly, you're too smart to make judgments about my alignment based on the people voting for me, so why bother bringing it up? I suppose the point is this: if we are both town, it is extremely disadvantageous for mafia to allow us both into the elected spots. Therefore, unless one of us is mafia, there should be a counter push to the Radfield/Arctocod wagon. However, in my experience mafia tend to be fairly poor at going after elected positions, and are happy to buy town cred by voting in strong townies. It's a bad strat, but it happens all the time. Of course you could also be scum, which at this point could very well be the case. Time will tell. It's most definitely in towns best interest to stop worrying about the mayor election. It makes good sense to put me and arctocod in, so lets do it and move on to our lynch. I'd like to stop worrying about the mayor election and start spending my time reading filters(I have looked through 1 filter this game) and figuring out who we should lynch. | ||
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On December 13 2011 09:07 prplhz wrote: @Radfield Hey, how do you suggest that we get started for real with the lynch discussion? Same way we always do. Poke, prod, question, accuse, defend, etc. Greymist, I think you're points against Jitsu are decent, but I'm not sure he's our best lynch. I don't readily have an alternative though. We need to hear a lot more from these players: 1. MarserBlood 2. nyczbrandon 8. Refallen 9. Cwave 11. MrZentor 15. evantrees 17. DropBear 23. Nisani201 24. cascades 25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote: Why am I running for Mayor? I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either. Curu it's early, but what happened to your activity? | ||
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On December 12 2011 17:20 Refallen wrote: Hello! Second game here, let's have a good game. I have 2 questions for the veterans who are running; which I'll like them to answer. 1. How effectively can you scumhunt with the mayor/pardoner position as compared to as a regular townie? 2. If you were scum, how damaging would it be for town if you got the mayor/pardoner position, in your own opinion? Lastly, comparing these two questions, do you think the benefits of you being in the mayor/pardoner position if you were town outweigh the cons if it turns out you get the position as mafia? Sorry if I'm being incoherent, really tired right now. Hi Refallen, you seem to have opened up the game with 2 generic questions followed up with an apology. Not a great start. On December 13 2011 10:49 Refallen wrote: I think I would be voting for syllo/palmar here. They obviously have proven track records of being good town players so I think that having them elected would be a great help in directing town discussion. At the same time, I believe that the veterans know enough of how they play to be able to sniff them out if they actually are mafia (kind of a check&balance thing). If it was only one player getting elected, would you still vote for Arctovod, or would you vote for me? | ||
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On December 13 2011 11:20 nyczbrandon wrote: O i thought we were voting for lynch and mayor today We are voting for a lynch and mayor/pardoner today, but we still have 24 hours to do it in. Daytime takes 48 hours Nighttime takes 24 hours. So I mafia "Day/Night cycle" actually takes 72 hours. | ||
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On December 13 2011 20:45 DropBear wrote: - I want to hear more from xsksc. He was extremely active in Steamship and Newbie Mafia, he has all of three posts here. I agree with this. xsksc's play is very different so far previous games I have seen him in. He's around but not contributing. | ||
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- I want to hear less from Sheth. You are spamming like crazy dude and none of it is helpful. It's nice that you're excited about your first game but calm down. Also I disagree with this. Posting is never bad unless you are spamming hardcore, and every post sheth has made has had substance. Even if he isn't helping us find scum with those posts, he is helping us determine his alignment. | ||
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On December 13 2011 21:19 xsksc wrote: Sure. I'm here, I just don't know what to discuss right now. My election vote's already decided. I don't really have any reads right now as it's so early. What would you guys like me to talk about? If you had to lynch someone right now who would you lynch? If zeks, jitsu, gigyas, dropbear and MrZentor were all getting lynched today, and you could pardon as many of them as you wanted, which ones would you pardon? | ||
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I would lynch Refallen I think. ProfBadass is basically inactive right now, which is not necessarily scummy by itself. I highly doubt he will stay inactive as well, so we'll see what they bring when they show up. | ||
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However, I would be completely fine lynching profBadass right now. Nothing I have seen from him so far makes me think he is town. His last post stated he was up to page 15, yet he just responded to arctocod within 1 minute.... so I really hope he's working on a post regarding the last 12 pages. Refallen and xsksc are also good lynches. I want to look through their history first though. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote: Radfield: it's things like this that make me wonder Does that sound like someone who is trying to approach the issue from a townie point of view or someone who has an agenda? How does that make any sense at all? Sheth appears smart so I'm assuming he can see what is wrong with this Yeah, that quote makes no sense. I'll read him again. On December 14 2011 03:06 risk.nuke wrote: Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there. @Harbinger: I read: I might throw a stupid vote but it's because I let my newbie friend choose. I fully agree with this risk. Zentor is a bad choice for the lynch. In other news, that was a fairly scummy analysis from spaackle: Random choice of targets, looks like contribution but is not, misses the actual scummy points in his analysis, etc. Please post more Spaackle. Are you up for lynching ProfBadass today? | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:56 ProfessorBadass wrote: Not really, I've read the rest. I don't really agree with the cases on either zeks or Zentor, DB/risk.nuke/you remain the most suspicious with the election agenda. What's the election agenda again? Me running and people voting for me? | ||
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On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote: Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around. OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONER Now we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again. We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... | ||
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Another also, there is no way Arctocod voluntarily withdrew from the race. That was scum driven without a doubt. | ||
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Looking at evantrees filter I would be ok lynching him. Same with Spaackle, though he has made more posts, and still seems scummy, so I would lean Spaackle over evantrees. I didn't realize quite how inactive Refallen has been. I still think his posts look scummy, but he is a somewhat worthless lynch. Nisani I will check into, I haven't read his filter yet. | ||
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Whether he is telling the truth or not, it's foolish to lynch him. His posts don't even make him seem like a red. If he's actually blue, he'll get shot. If he's still alive tomorrow, we can deal with it then. Either way we can sort out his stuff in the next 72 hours, but not now. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:25 risk.nuke wrote: It was a response to radfield. I'm reffering to that badass seemed pretty okey with lynching Nisani or Zentor. Unrelated I am pissed of because nobody listens to me for shit when I say don't lynch Nisani or Zentor but the when someone of the veteran names pop up and say it you're all mesmerized. And surprsingly to me I'm just slightly mad over the me beeing ignored part but more angry at the town for beeing useless and just heed the veterans instead of thinking for themselves. I honestly skim-read like the 6 pages from the election withdraw up to that post. I agree that ProBad looks somewhat scummy right now, but that's not the point. If he is town, he is a strong player and worth saving. Prplhz said it elsewhere, the goal was to remove Palmars and Syllo's protection, not necessarily to get one of their own at pardoner. That was an extremely powerful ability, and they just used it(and they should have, a Town elected rad+arcto is bad news for mafia). Pardoner is a BAD role for mafia to have, because we're going to be damn sure that any player who has it is lynched or confirmed long before they are dangerous. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Radfield I'm having a really hard time thinking that Spaackle is Mafia. I liked all of the effort he was making talking about the other players. His tone wasn't even super decisive, like he wans't saying for sure lynch someone. Although he did seem pretty against Zentor. I don't really want to vote for spaackle, I'm leaning towards just going with Arcto and getting rid of Nisani atm. If we're taking out a lurker I would prefer evantrees. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:56 Spaackle wrote: Remember. This mislynch is on your heads. If only that were true. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:58 prplhz wrote: I really don't think that Spaackle is scum, last minute vote switches are notoriously unreliable and while he's played somewhat bad he's been active and transparent. People should really be voting Nisani201. Do you really think it likely nisani is scum? Other than being completely inactive, I don't see a lot of red to his posts. What in particular sets you off? | ||
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I assume this means that we have blue roles who have powers which activate during the daytime, likely to do with elections, voting etc. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:08 Refallen wrote: Sorry, really didn't have time to do anything than a quick skim or two of the thread and I just decided to bandwagon him. I understand that this seems like a scummy thing to do but honestly with everyone pushing for a lynch I thought that getting on the bandwagon would be the most beneficial for town (see TL Mafia XLVIII for when no-lynches happen and screws town up lolol) Refallen there is no chance of a mislynch in this game. Whoever gets the most votes dies. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:24 zeks wrote: Switching through 3~ish candidates in the last minutes is pretty bad Radfield Hope it doesnt come to this tomorrow. Yep, that seems to be my style these days  Day 1 is not my strong suit, but I can guarantee I will do better Day 2 I have plenty of time over the next few days.If I was scum, I would doublestack Arctocod tonight. I highly recommend all medics cover them, it leaves mafia free to snipe other players, but I think that is an OK trade-off. There is a chance that Arctocod removed themselves in order to buy town credit. I find this highly unlikely: 1. If Arctocod was scum, they would have removed me from office, as I am far more likely to find them out than any other player. 2. That would be a substantial waste of a very important role. We don't know what elections will be in the future, and some may be very beneficial for mafia to get. Using it now to buy a little town cred is a waste. 3. Mafia wants the elected roles filled with mafia. If they used the ability on themselves it simply allows a chance for a different townie to get elected. | ||
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Not to mention there is no need for scum to go balls to wall and orchestrate two vote switches at the last minute on day 1. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 18:34 Cwave wrote: Filter Radfield Mhhhhh out of the ordinary smiley usage when i look at all your other posts, rebuttles and answers in your filter. And you start using the smileys after your being asked about your weird last minute vote switch dance. Something you just don't do if you are pro-town or a veteran at this game. Or both. You have an aura of scum around you now, Radfield. Very dark and very grey. lol Scum hunting at it's finest.On December 14 2011 15:01 Arctocod wrote: Radfield that was a really bad lynch, are you scum after all? We did not voluntarily withdraw if that wasn't obvious. I actually thought it was a decent lynch. In case you didn't notice you left without actually putting up a real candidate for lynch, which means your capacity to complain is vastly reduced Nisani was a lame lynch, no better than heir in xlviii. For all I knew he was getting modkilled anyways. As far as electing ProBad, it seemed like the best course of action under the circumstances. I honestly thought about prplhz instead, but did not want to spend time arguing why. If curu is town he will be a strong asset, end of story. If he is scum it's not particularly worrisome. If you read the thread you already know all this though, so lets move on. | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:33 Arctocod wrote: Shut up syllo, you're soft. Radfield, you know just as well as I do that pushing a lynch onto a townie that seems to be active is much more terrible than going after a lurker. Also, what's with the preference in one lurker over another? At least we gave explanations for that. Did you intentionally or accidentally ignore my point that he looked pretty town? Did you not agree with it? What was the reasoning for pushing his lynch over for example nisani? /Palmar Read the thread Palmar. it's all there If you actually want an answer ask me a question that I can't just quote a post of mine. I really like these split personalities though. Why are you trying to make me draw heat here? I didn't lose any sleep over lynching spaackle, and I'm sure you didn't either. Sucks that he was a politician, but that role is not even particularly good in most townies hands. Far to easy to cause damage if your reads are off. Do you think I am scummy Palmar? Do you think there's a reasonable chance that that's how I would've played Day 1 if I was scum? You guys are the vaunted day 1 scumhunters, so tell me who is scum and stop spending your time cutting me down. | ||
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so awesome. So VE, what do you think of Arctocod? | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:56 Arctocod wrote: For the record Radfield, I've never claimed to be a particularly good scum hunter, let alone day 1, it's more that most players in the current pool aren't very good. Just saying because you make it sound like I've been bragging. /syllogism True enough, but your record is pretty good for early catches, though not necessarily Day 1. Let move on and find scum day 2. What are your thoughts on zeks. Reading his filter I get mixed messages. | ||
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On December 15 2011 00:01 Arctocod wrote: @Radfield These are your only mentions of Spacckle, that aren't just agreeing with other people, telling town to lynch him, or linking to his filter. I guess you also said one of his analysis was "scummy" without elaborating further at some point during the day. Do you really think that's a better case than this: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 09:22 Arctocod wrote: So yeah, Syllo went to sleep like 2 hours ago, we came up with both the ideas of pressuring Sheth and DropBear during the day, but both players seemed to respond in a way that wasn't conclusively scum. I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum. We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game. I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201 Here's a link to his filter: Clicky There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value. He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post: Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum. Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum. I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment. ##Vote Nisani201 Do you honestly think that those two mentions of spaackle from your filter are enough to answer my question of why you chose Spaackle as the lynch target? I spent a considerable amount of time reading the thread. I mean, maybe in your world this is enough of an explanation for your actions, but I would like to see something more. I'm going to give you this though, you did mention you agreed with this point: But do you really think that changing his mind makes him scum? Whatever, I'm not lynching you tomorrow, I just hate your current apathetic play. /Palmar You're case on Nisani was just a policy lynch. I did honestly feel like we could do better. I agree that there is nothing in Nisani's filter that screams town, but there is nothing scummy either. Theres just nothing. I've never played with Nisani before, and multiple people were stating his play has shown signs of improvement. It just seemed like a waste. Spaackle on the other hand rubbed me the wrong way from his first analysis post on Nisani and Jitsu(?). Then him flip flopping on Nisani sealed the deal. Originally I preferred evantrees or refallen, but spaackle did in fact contradict himself. He originally had Nisani's posting down as town, and then referred to his posting as looking a bit scummy. It wasn't much. but it was something. Of course changing your mind doesn't make you scummy, but changing it when no further info has presented itself, and town opinion has swung the other way does get you scumpoints. I'm not trying to be apathetic, but I've felt a little lost the last couple day 1's so I'm not going to make a big deal out of a mislynch. I excel on day 2.5 and beyond, and thats what I want to do this game as well. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:02 risk.nuke wrote: 26 player game, there is no telling how many protection roles we have but you're missing the mainpoint, if medics will be focusing on 3 people most likely mafia wont be willing to risk going after anyone of us. this is pretty basic. As for me, I am town and if I don't get medic protection or atleast mafia belives there is a chance i am protected and aren't willing to gamble a kp on me I will ket killed tonight. Mafia isn't as slow as town, they know it's just a matter of time before I convince you I am town, it will save them alot of trouble to get rid of me now before I have proven myself town and will have protection. I think for a 26 man game with we'll have atleast 3 protective roles very possibly more, but I don't know what the blue roles look like. we might have something else to compensate but that doesn't matter. The important part is mafia don't know either and we can discourage them from going after either one of us 3. Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives. No, if you tell the medics to protect among those three, they doublestack arcto and pick off someone else like greymist/duesex/prplhz. That is not a situation we want. I appreciate that it sucks to unWIFOM our medics, but they need to protect arctocod tonight. The likelihood of 3 protective roles when we already have 2 unkillable players(mayor+pardoner) seems very unlikely. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote: Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. Does it make sense to you that 3 different players are claiming to have sent you a package? | ||
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However presumably that means one of either Gigyas or Jitsu is lying, yet you don't seem bothered by it. | ||
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Spell it out for me, because this is what I see: On December 14 2011 15:41 Arctocod wrote: Also, I received a PM from the host. I need some of you to believably pretend to know what it is about and answer to this post so that whoever is the cause of the PM can reveal himself to me. If you are it, be specific enough. On December 14 2011 15:42 GiygaS wrote: Hey, if you trust me: open the package, it is a message. On December 14 2011 15:55 Jitsu wrote: Arcto, don't worry about the middle part of the PM. You need to pay most attention to the first part, and the very last sentence. The middle was required because of my role. On December 14 2011 16:07 GiygaS wrote: Arc I feel I should be more precise. First of all, I take full responsibility for the package you just received, it is a message, nothing more, nothing less. It is unmarked, completely, and when you "open" it, you get access tot he package. You have full access to use discretion with the contents inside. On December 14 2011 21:41 risk.nuke wrote: @Arctocod It involves money and bribes On December 15 2011 00:08 GiygaS wrote: Arctocod, are you going to do anything with the info? On December 15 2011 00:16 Arctocod wrote: Obviously every piece of information can prove useful in due time, we'll see On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote: Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. I assume this means you accept that Gigyas actually sent you the package. Do you think Jitsu and risk.nuke were just trolling? Whats the deal? | ||
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On December 15 2011 02:00 Jitsu wrote: No. I had nothing to do with the withdrawal. For the record, I think if we run into the same situation next time, we should manipulate the votes in such a way so that the 'withdrawn' player still has the second most votes, and our alternate vote is 3rd in the line. That way, if the post is simply shadow games, our desired number two pick is still selected, with a backup ready in the wings in case it's not. I agree with this. We want a third string candidate for every election from now on. (or a second string if there is only 1 player elected) | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote: That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. Why do you think Dropbear is town? Why do you think he is going to be an asset to town this game? So far his play has been very lacking. You're right that it probably doesn't make sense for vigilantes to shoot tonight though. If you only have one bullet, and are not likely to get shot, it makes sense to save it for Night 2 or 3. However, if you have multiple bullets or have to shoot, he is a good target. Mainly though I just wanted to see what syllo had to say. I expected him to say Dropbear, and I'm glad he did. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Radfield / Arctocod Please take a little bit of time to read up on the Prplhz vs Zeks discussion on page 43-44. Do you think Zeks is someone we should pressure a bit, or not so much? I don't actually see anything on page 44 between zeks and prplhz. There's really not much to their convo on pg 43 either. As I said earlier though, I'm getting mixed messages on zeks. Some good points and some bad ones. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:17 risk.nuke wrote: I don't understand your first sentence. Read my filter before you fos me. If I were a vig I'd hit greymist. Why would you kill Greymist? That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. | ||
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I would prefer players go off who they think is scummy based on posting, not voting. At least for tonight. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 23:15 zeks wrote: Lynch Spaackle (11): ProfessorBadass Eiii Refallen -ProfessorBadass Radfield xsksc GreYMisT evantrees ProfessorBadass Liquid`Sheth nyczbrandon risk.nuke MrZentor Election ProfessorBadass (7): GreYMisT xsksc prplhz GiygaS -GiygaS GiygaS Eiii Refallen Radfield For potential dts: GreyMist, xsksc, Eiii would be great checks for tonight For any vigs: And shoot Zentor cause his unlynchable claim reeks of bs | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night. And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen. As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are. What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now. | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh because Rad said so. Makes sense. Radfield, can you explain how risk looks town to you? Like, could you explain a townie motivation for the Why? post I just quoted a bit ago? He's spotlighting himself like a madman. He's getting everyone worked up about him, and he's pulling no punches. I completely agreed with the WHY? post, Nisani and Zentor were weak lynches and easy for scum to pile on. He also seems to have absolutely no fear about looking scummy, which is generally a townie trait. However, that latest post DID look like a scum slip, but I can see where he was coming from. If the argument is that he is scummy for stopping those lynches, then that means one of Zentor or Nisani must have been scum. Him stopping the lynch on two townies is not scummy. | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: So you agreed with the part about "bandwagons are 99% of the time townie lynches / bussing scum"? You agreed with the "all bandwagons are scum-influenced"? Come on Radfield. Dig deep bro. Of course not. The bandwagon part is silly, and also unimportant. If he was talking about Day 1 bandwagons, then yeah, they're probably scum influenced much of the time, but not really after that. | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:38 risk.nuke wrote: Radfields play last night, was not doing a shit or comment on anything significant untill the last minute where he decided the lynch. Thanks dude. I got on when I could and I did what I could. I'm not a superhero. I don't magically make good Day 1 lynches appear. On December 15 2011 10:16 VisceraEyes wrote: But you said you agreed with it completely, man. This is what I'm talking about when I say you're being the most suspicious of the vets (although Palmogism is creeping up there)...because you're speaking in half-truths. Why is that unimportant? He's literally saying 'you can't trust anyone pushing for a lynch because they're probably scum'. It's fear-mongering, and it's anti-town. How is that not important? And why would scum not try and influence the lynch on days after day 1? Is it not in their best interest to have townies lynched all game long? I am going to write this as if you are town, if you are mafia feel free to ignore. The reason some people don't take you seriously is because of comments like this. You are honing in on my use of 1 word, "completely", and ignoring whats going on around it. You're scum finding metrics are off because you hone in on every little thing. It's like you're going out of your way to be confrontational with every single post. You're not trying to get reads, you're just trying to push push push. I mean, you're not even talking about anything here.... /end lecture It was unimportant because it was irrelevant, and an exaggeration. When I said I 'completely' agreed with that post, I didn't even know the bandwagon part was there. Why? Because I skim read that part and promptly ignored it. Just like you should have. His post was about how Nisani and Zentor were easy places for mafia to hide, and that people sticking their votes on were furthering mafia agenda. I don't disagree, as both were very likely to flip green at that stage. The rest was him making an incorrect exaggeration about bandwagons... Obviously scum try to influence bandwagons on all days, but it's on Day 1 where they are most effective at guiding the lynch. After that I would say most bandwagons are driven by town play. Happy we cleared that up? | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:58 risk.nuke wrote: We belive scum used a special abillity to force Arctocod to withdraw. As of now it is not clear wether the abillity was to create a fake post, Withdraw the candidate or just nullify all votes. The night is not over. Giygas had some mailman abillitys that he used to privately tell Arctocod that he could kill a person. Arctocod then told Giygas to send the letter-bomb (which if opened kills the reciever) to eiii. Actually it's clear at this point that Arctocod WAS withdrawn from the election, as all votes cast for them were nullified by the host. | ||
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Ok, so Arctocod for Secretary of Defence. Then the medic ability can be WIFOMed between the two of us. Someone who is very likely town in Surgeon General, probably Gigyas. I assume someone took a hit last night? | ||
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On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right? Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense. Other way around? No? | ||
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Not sure what the best play is there then. I'll think about it in the morning. | ||
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Likewise with GigyaS. He is seen almost universally as town right now, and is posting pretty sensibly. Not to mention that he might still have more actions up his sleeve that mafia doesn't know about it. Again, if he is still alive in the late-game and hasn't been getting hit, you start questioning. On December 16 2011 06:09 Arctocod wrote: His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target. I agree with this. I think risk.nuke is a poor lynch today. His play is scummy, but NOT scum driven from what I can see. Bumatlarge: you need to start playing this game fast. Dropbear started you in a hole, so if you are town please start showing us. I want to look harder into both greymist and supersoft today. After Day 1 I had both down as prob town, but I'm not so sure anymore. Marserblood, nyczbrandon and refallen all need to post more. Who do you guys want to lynch today. | ||
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On December 15 2011 18:20 Cwave wrote: Myself as im town and would put great power to good use. Seeing as this is veteran city im aware that the chances of that happening are slim i still hope to make everyone think twice before its a Russian election again. As for the second candidate, i say Giygas. Giygas posts sensible and is active, has a brain and will use the power to good use instead of squander it. All of the last hour vote switchers to Spaackle can expect to never get a vote from me while there are sensible alternatives Why do you prefer Gigyas instead of Arctocod? What makes Giygas seem more sensible and active than Arctocod? Or do you find Arcotocod scummy? What do you think of me. Do you think I am scummy? Do you think I am likely town? How would you rank the following players in terms of most likely to be town: Radfield, Arctocod, Greymist, Deus-ex, ProfBA There was something else I was going to ask you too, but I forget | ||
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On December 16 2011 07:43 GiygaS wrote: I agree, I'm not really comfortable with a vig role yet, I want to get more used to Mafia before I do that. Anyway, I want to talk about something: Huh? How is scummy posts not an influence to lynch someone? What I mean is, there are things with risk.nuke's play that could be called scummy. Repeatedly calling out Greymist without analysis, running hard out of the blue for pardoner, etc. Yet I don't see scum-motivation behind risk.nuke's posts, nor does it feel like his tone is fake or forced. Sometimes people play over-the-top with no regard for how they are viewed by the other players in the game, or how a certain stance or position might make them look. Those people are rarely mafia, and normally vanilla town. risk.nuke fits that profile, and as such I think he is probably town. | ||
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Even if you don't have specifics, who are your top 3 scummy players right now? | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:19 GreYMisT wrote: Give me a few minutes, still looking through some of day1 to see what I can find. The problem is i feel the majority of the actives are town, and that the scum is mixed in with the townie lurkers. This is making it rather hard to find them to be honest. Sounds good. I have all night On December 16 2011 08:25 Jitsu wrote: I think the same question could go back at you Radfield, and I actually want to see Arcto's response to this as well. Who do you both feel would be good Top 3 Lynches, and why? I'm not going to give you my top 3, or even my top 1 just yet. But I will say this, I think Cwave looks like scum on first glance. I probably won't go balls to the wall on lynching him just yet, but I am interested in what others think of his posting so far. | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:53 nyczbrandon wrote: Meh, was just trying to show GiyaGs something because he may of missed it when he was comparing filters. I'll try to go scum hunting but I know if i will find anything I have a job for you. Who do you think is more scummy between Comprissent and cascades? Why? Who do you think is more scummy between TotallyNotTwoPeople and Refallen? Why? If you had the power to save 5 people from dying tonight, who would they be? Why? | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:55 Jitsu wrote: The strange thing about Cwave is that I barely remember him on Day1, yet he comes out of the woodwork on Day2. Didn't check his filter, just a mental note. I'll look thru some stuff. That's because he disappeared for 18 hours. Eighteen hours which encompassed the Arctocod withdrawal, the pardoner vote and the lynch. | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd look Rad, but you probably wouldn't take me seriously.  In seriousness though, why aren't you willing to share YOUR reads? Are you afraid of vet-bias or something? "Hey guys, Rad said he's suspicious! GET HIM!!!!" Not at all. When I am quite suspicious of someone I often try to sit back and watch what they do. I don't put them in the hot-seat at all, and let them do what they would if they thought they were under no suspicion. I particularly do this with players who I expect to contribute, but are not. The thing is, I pretty much already know what's going to happen once I hard accuse them, so I'm trying to get the maximum amount of knowledge on their baseline play before that happens. Also, I am often wrong at this stage of the game, and once you start publicly accusing someone it's harder to change your views. By allowing player X to show he is contributing or being townish, it lets me save my effort for when I need it. Thats all pretty general though, and the reason in this case is simply that I do not want that player to know I am suspicious of him. Very suspicious.... | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:09 nyczbrandon wrote: cascades seems more scummy to me. Comprissent didn't post anything that would incriminate him. I saw that people were suspicous of him because of late voting. But, that is probably from the last minute bandwagoning as most of the people here have done. Though he has not posted his lynch targets yet. cascades seemed to be also questioning Arctocod's town. It is apparent to many that Arctocod was forced out of running, and think that it may be on mafia side. He also posted that he hopes that mafia would kill all the vets. He said it was a joke or something but i dont know. Seems he may bare a grudge against hydras/vets cool, and the other questions? | ||
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On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote: this post in particular turns me on: hahaha ... ... ... ...anyhoo... what do you think of zeks Greymist? | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard? Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion. | ||
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On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote: Arctocod, in my eyes, is leaning extremely town. I feel you are in this same section, Radfield. ProfBA because we voted him in as pardoner, and I feel that if he was mafia, you and Arcto would be able to catch him near the end, and we voted him into Pardoner for a reason. Since he is unable to pardon himself, if you 5 were remaining, I think it would end in the towns favor. I'm not quite in the same section as Arctocod just yet, or at least I shouldn't be. I need a couple notches on my belt first. Me and Arcto will not be around to catch ProfBA in the end. We will be almost certainly dead, unless mafia does not get wise real quick. That means if he is mafia we need to catch him within the next two cycles, or else the townies in the endgame will have to do it on their own. If there are question marks around ProfBA then you want to leave him hanging where mafia can get to him, and make sure not to give him an excuse to still be alive Day 4 or Day 5. | ||
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In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use? On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote: I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074 This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate. MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you. | ||
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Keep in mind we want GiygaS in #1(Surgeon General), and Arctocod in #2(Defense). Please place your votes accordingly. I was planning on doing some reading tonight, but I'm fried, so I will be on in the morning. When the surgeon general makes someone a medic, do they find out right away? Or do they have to wait until the following night to start making saves. For instance: Giygas becomes SG on Day 2 and makes me a 2-shot medic. Can I start saving players on night 2, or do I have to wait until night 3 to use my power. | ||
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On December 17 2011 15:44 evantrees wrote: still bugging me hopefully get an answer this time. Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch, does the person with the most votes after the pardon is used(the runner up) get lynched or is the lynch called off. If a pardoner uses his pardoner, the lynch is called off. The second place voter is not lynched. On December 17 2011 16:17 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Don't use the doublelynch today!!! If curu is scum he has nothing to lose and he may just pardon the other lynchcandidate if he's scum. I'm not sure how the timeline would work there. Typically the pardon takes place a few minutes after the lynch. So if the pardoner is already dead he can't really pardon. Can the Pardoner use his ability on the same day he is lynched? | ||
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Gigyas has two options tonight for a medic. A) someone who is very much town, or B) someone unlikely to die tonight. Both options have their risks, and right now I would lean towards option A, as that guarantees us at least one potential save. The medic landing in scum hands would leave players wide open to KP. In the interest of full-disclosure I DO NOT have the ability to double-lynch. I simply said that to get discussion rolling again as I was worried we would just cruise control the rest of the day on ProfBA. I was also roleblocked again, so scum knew very well that I was bullshitting, since even if I had the ability to double lynch I would not be able to. I want to go over the reactions again, but I think dues-ex was fairly genuine. | ||
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? In other news, rejoice that we must have a dt, and mafia have been roleblocking me for 2 days in a row. | ||
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* risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched. * ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge. * Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks. *Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie. * Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town. * Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet. So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action. GreYMisT, GiygaS, Refallen, Radfield Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us? + Show Spoiler + I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On ProfBad as Pardoner On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote: I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. On December 14 2011 09:47 GreYMisT wrote: K, without arctocod in the runnings who is currently in second place behind radfield? On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote: prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion? I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game. In particular it is the second quote that bothers me. Why would you EVER post this? Just go click on the election thread, and find out for yourself... Obviously no one answers this question, because the reality is that there IS no alternate candidate, which everyone knows. It reeks of posting just for the sake of posting. He also mentions that curu + errandor can be troubling for scum late-game. This made me raise my eyebrows at the time, because when has errandor EVER been troubling for scum late-game? Curu maybe, but not errandor. Not sure why a townie would stretch the truth on errandor's abilities. On the Spaackle Lynch: (just read the f-ing quotes, there's like 6 lines) On December 14 2011 11:29 GreYMisT wrote: Radfield, why must you always push for last minute vote switches? Looking into spaakle now. On December 14 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote: Looking through Spaakle's filter I can't find much, why is everyone clamoring for him again? On December 14 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote: The spaackle quote is quite interesting, is there anything else about him that you are suspicious of? On December 14 2011 11:52 GreYMisT wrote: I still have more of a scum read than a town read on nisani atm, but after looking over spaakle's some more im going to put my vote there. the quote by profBA is pretty condemning, as well as the way he has been trying to get zentor to claim for the last couple of pages. Starts off with a quick little discredit of me. Moves onto finding nothing scummy in Spaackles filter. However in the final assessment Greymist gives 2 reasons for Spaackles being scummy, the quote that curu brings up, but also the fact that he has been trying to get Zentor to claim. Something which presumably he did not find scummy the first time he looked through the filter. This could easily be done by a townie or scum, but I think in this case it is Greymist trying to cover his bases on a lynch he knows will flip town. On risk.nuke On December 14 2011 11:36 GreYMisT wrote: and yet still, no actual analysis. I've been thinking this entire game you are simply misguided, don't make me start agreeing with ProfBA. On December 14 2011 12:01 GreYMisT wrote: If its hard to make a strong case day one, then how is it possible that i am confirmed scum in your eyes? the flawed logic...it burns me... On December 15 2011 04:19 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to know this as well, I've been asking him about it all game long. Why do you insist on taking extreme action on the baseless assumptions that I am scum and Dropbear is mafia? you are so sure and yet you have not said a single thing to back it up, other than just having "instinct". Contrast this with your town play in newbie mafia where you were killed because you were starting to make sense and were one of the only players using logic. Hate to make it seem like an OMGUS, but unless I see more of that risk.nuke and less of the current one, you will continue to shift from "misguided townie" to "scum" On December 15 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote: I am curious to hear what Radfield thinks about who to lynch today based on the events that took place during the night. I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts. On another not we need to make sure arcto ends up as the elected official. I am fairly certain due to the events that have taken place yesterday, as well as due to his posting, that he is town. On December 16 2011 06:37 GreYMisT wrote: But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today? you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this. ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all. A quick recap of what you're seeing in this last block. Greymist states that despite risk.nuke tunneling him, he sees him as prob town. Then states publicly that if risk.nuke keeps up his current play, greymist will shift from "misguided townie" to "scum". So we can establish that on Day 1 Greymist was fairly confident that risk.nuke was town. Yet here is what he says on Day 2 when he places his vote on risk.nuke: I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts. He alludes to how on Day 1 he was already suspicious of him, yet he mentioned several times previously that he felt risk.nuke was probably just a "misguided townie". In fact even goes so far now as to state that risk.nukes posting suggests a mafia agenda. Quite a turn-around. This entire post is not a case against risk.nuke, it is an excuse. An excuse to vote for a townie. Later on Greymist switches to vote ProfessorBadass. I'd be happy to talk about that situation as well if people would like, though it is very clear that curu had given up at that point. I think it's fairly likely that Greymist is scum. I won't say I am certain, because I am not. With the godfather flipped though I think Greymist is a great candidate for investigation by our dt. I would also not be averse to lynching him tomorrow. What are peoples thoughts? | ||
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I'm certain I'm not scum also fairly certain I don't have a ton to defend myself with. So a question claim now or claim when the night is over? Evantrees, don't claim at all unless you are getting votes on you from me/arcto, or from a bunch of other people combined. No one needs that information right now. | ||
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I think scum need to take a hail mary and shoot both me and arcto tonight, or double tap one of us(Arcto most likely). We have no important blues in the open, and not really any other real high profile townies. So medics on us, and we should be in good shape. Arcto(whomever you are) can you give me the quick breakdown on why you think Sheth is scum. I fully admit to not reading his filter this game, because it is simply too daunting. Thinking about it though, perhaps that should be a red flag for me. | ||
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On December 18 2011 23:59 zeks wrote: I'd totally be down to shoot both GreYMisT and Refallen Throughout the whole game risk.nuke has called GreyMist out to be scum and several people have attacked risk.nuke for various things but he makes good points now and then On GreyMist He was the first to vote for ProfBA to be replacement pardoner When I had assumed Arc was silenced he replied: Seems weird for him to say that as Arc not being active in the hours before lynch is suspicious in itself. He implied the ability doesn't include a silence which was actually the case (Arc was afk) Considers Zentor of all people for election poor logic? "If he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one" - day 1 is over how do we go back and verify that. Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable. Other than GreyMist I seriously think we should out Zentor Greymist was pushing for Zentor to be elected back when Greymist thought the Secretary of Defence was just a public rolecheck. ie, vote in Zentor and we all find out if Zentor was lying. So in essence Greymist was actually showing his suspicion of Zentor when he posted that. Assuming that we actually could vote in someone for a public rolecheck, Zentor was a terrible choice, particularly when we know mafia have several power roles. You've actually just found another scum point for Greymist !Consider that we knew there was a roleblocker and corrupt attorny(or something) that mafia had access to. By voting in Zentor for a public check it assures that neither of those players could be found via rolecheck. We also now know that mafia had a Godfather and propagandist as well. | ||
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Zeks is probably town. TotallyNotTwoPeople are probably town. risk.nuke, giygas, zentor, are all probably town, but I haven't filtered them recently. Arcotcod is certainly town. That leaves: nyczbrandon: I would lean town Dues-ex: leaning town Refallen: not sure, really hasn't done much this game, possibly town though evantrees: scummy, but has been getting pushed from mafia which may mean he is town really not too sure on anyone else, but I will pound some filters tomorrow if I am still alive. | ||
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facepalm indeed Why am I ineligible for election this cycle? | ||
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Requesting permission to edit this post in the event I messed it up somewhere, or to add in risk, radfield's and cascades filters. Alternatively if the mods want to edit this into the OP that would be very useful as a reference as well. | ||
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Prankster we want to make sure ends up in town hands. I'm fairly confident risk.nuke is town given how hard he fought curu for the pardoner role, and given how curu was pushing to lynch him. I'm ok with giving the Police Chief to supersoft right now, but I would like to filter him again to be sure. On December 19 2011 22:19 risk.nuke wrote: I didn't think they would go for arctocod today. Giygas you told the one you choose to protect arctocod and other one to protect radfield right. So mafia knew that arctocod would most likely only have 1 kp protection and if nobody speaks up and says they took a hit we should assume they doublestacked arctocod. If they didn't doublestack which I find very unlikely then radfield is probably mafia. You seem to be ignoring the fact that I was roleblocked. Unless you think I've been lying about that for the last two cycles in a dastardly plot to be given a role that I already have an excuse to not use.... However, if anyone took a hit last night please claim it. | ||
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On December 19 2011 22:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote: Sorry newbie here. How is this played? I want to join Check out one of the threads that are stickied in the forum. This is an ongoing game, so best not to post here unless you are actually playing in the game. For general information post in the "active games thread" or the "Miscellaneous Mafia" thread, or better yet find an old game and read through the OP and entire thread to get a handle on the game. | ||
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On December 19 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote: Thanks! As for the people who failed to vote, it seems several people misspelled or misformated their votes causing the bot to not register it. Anyone who failed to vote has received a warning. Additionally, the police chief role's watcher ability applies to all day and night actions during the cycle. Kita, a question on this: Does the watcher ability act retroactively? Player A is roleblocked during Day 3(by Player X). If the Watcher targets Player A during Night 3, will he see Player X visiting Player A? | ||
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On December 19 2011 23:46 zeks wrote: A thought: Don't know if this is just the set up by kita or what but I remember Zentor claiming Floridian but his power was extending day If I remember correctly the role Floridian gives the user an extra vote? Kind of find his role name claim fishy but again in a closed setup maybe kita modified it Yes, that is actually quite strange. I did a bit of a double take at the time, but just ignored it given that the day extension power is quite pro-town. MrZentor, do you also have a secondary ability of a double vote? evantrees, I assume you are blue, do you have an investigative role? | ||
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Also, we have seen no other townside KP other than VE, so unless we start seeing lots of town KP, he is probably town. | ||
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When I was roleblocked, I was immediately notified by the host, both times this happened apprx 6-8hours before the end of Day. So if anyone gets roleblocked you need to immediatly claim it. Because the watcher acts retroactively, the mafia CANNOT roleblock this cycle, because that means we know where to watch to immediately get the identity of the roleblocker. Mafia cannot afford this. So unless someone claims a roleblock, we watch me tonight. That assures I will live till day 4(unless mafia chooses a 1 for 1 trade, which at this point is ok). That frees up me to make a save tonight and tomorrow, and also frees up our other medic(whomever protected Arcto on night 1) to not protect me. All in all a great situation for us. I'm hoping evantrees is an investigative role, that way we can protect him, and direct his action. On December 20 2011 01:11 GreYMisT wrote: I'm Glad you didn't actually read my post so I have to explain it again. yay. I wanted MrZentor in that spot when I believed the position was a public roleclaim. After It was explained to me that that was not the case, I instead supported Giygas and Arctocod for the spot. None of you seem to be worried at all that the entire thread has decided to lynch me really based on nothing more than "feeling" and "meta." didnt we decide those were not good reasons early on? Yes, voting based on "feeling" is a poor reason. Voting based on meta is a mediocre reason(see: erandorr). However I am doing neither of those things. Public Roleclaim You misunderstood the Defense position to be a public rolecheck. That is fine. However thinking this you pushed for Zentor, that is not fine. We know that mafia have 4 power roles, possibly 5. By you pushing for Zentor, you ensure that none of those players would be outted by the public rolecheck. Confirming Zentor was a waste of a very powerful town tool. You're whole position was that we needed to be careful and not out blues. But that is a terrible position. Any tool we can use to find scum we use. I doubt any other townies were sitting around worried about outting some scummy blue, because we don't care about that. Only mafia worry about the blue roles. But that is certainly not the meat of what I was posting. You have not responded to my (short) case, though I admit there is not a ton you can say. Particularly damning I find is this quote: On December 16 2011 06:37 GreYMisT wrote: But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today? you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this. ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all. You go from thinking risk is scum, to "not completely sold on the risk being town". That is weak sauce. Are your top 3 reads still nyczbrandon, evantrees and cascades? Do you still want to lynch risk.nuke? Show me some content. | ||
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On December 20 2011 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Well zeks, it should be obvious. I didn't realize Deus would be the watcher for sure, I didn't think we'd decided if he wanted Pranker or Watcher. If Deus will be the watcher, hes not stupid. Hes clearly going to watch Radfield, however with saying we want him to WIFOM between himself and the other elected role (Prankster) we could have saved them both. And yes its smart that we watch radfield, however if you were able to catch on that Deus is smart enough to know what to do with his watch then I felt we could have saved someone else with it too. Even now I think its smart that we have him pick between Rad and Prank. The thing is Sheth, if Deus is mafia we want to give him no excuse for allowing me to die. If I die, he better have a name come daybreak. By telling him to protect me he has no outs but to try and talk his way out. Also, if Deus is town and we tell him to protect me, he still has the option of WIFOMing. Because mafia knows he is town, they will assume he will watch me, that means they have to avoid me, which means Deus can cover someone else... WIFOM. But the thing is, it's not JUST about WIFOM. There are such things as optimal plays. Right now we have 14 vs 3, with a mafia KP of 2 and dropping. Mafia cannot afford to lose a member from a watch, cannot afford to leave me alive, and cannot afford a medic save(we will have 2 medics operating tonight). Very very difficult for them to operate in that environment. If I am in mafia's shoes I am shooting Radfield tonight, and hoping Deus-ex tries to get fancy. You know the hidden medic won't be targetting Radfield, so he is wide open. That means Deus-ex is in deep shit tomorrow and will probably get lynched, because he watched the wrong player against orders. Radfield is also dead so that eliminates a second potential medic save the following night. This leaves a 9 vs 3 scenario, with some of the best townside scumhunters dead. That is a scenario that mafia has a shot at winning. Hence, Deus-ex HAS to watch me tonight, because trying to get fancy has an incredible downside, whereas getting lucky and out-WIFOMing mafia only leads us to victory slightly sooner. | ||
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In that time both me and Arctocod had made it clear we felt risk.nuke was a poor lynch. Who do you think is likely scum? Still the three you previously posted about? | ||
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First you state your read has been reduced to near null. But then you go on to mention a number of points in favor of him being town. Reading that makes it seem like you conclusion is he is town. However you finish with this line: I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Your point on him being scummy is that you "don't agree" with how he has been scumhunting. Not that he has acted scummy. That is your only point you make against him, and it is the excuse you give for not having a town read. I don't agree with the way many people scum-hunt, but that has NO BEARING on my read of them. That whole post reads like you think risk.nuke is town, yet don't want to come out and say it. Your only excuse for not having a town read is you "don't agree" with his scumhunting. That is scummy. | ||
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On December 20 2011 04:49 GreYMisT wrote: Yes, I expect to find scum in those three players. Also when you said "public roleclaim" in bold earlier, was that clairifying my misunderstanding of the secretary of defense? or were you actually asking me to roleclaim? I was clarifying, but you are welcome to claim as well if you like. I gotta run. | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me. come on. What's your point here? Is that supposed to discredit me? | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:46 jaj22 wrote: Hi everyone, I'm subbing in for MarserBlood. I've been following this game but not that closely, so recommendations for filters I should check out in detail are welcome. Nice to have you around. I recommend reading the thread in it's entirity, or at least from Day 2 onward. | ||
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me. come on. Additionally, would having my vote on you make my case any stronger? Does my case lose credibility because I haven't put my vote down? Are you really so exasperated that this is what your defense boils down to? | ||
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If Greymist is lying please counter-claim. Scum will be knocked down to one KP, and I can protect you. In the event that greymist is town, we have some work to do. On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. I'm fine with either zeks or risk.nuke, as I think both are town. TotallyNotTwoPeople I am less sure on right now. | ||
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On December 20 2011 10:44 GiygaS wrote: I'm just worried about that claim, because it may have just been graymist trying to draw the doc out so the mafia can kill him D:. Seriously, if Greymist is scum, it's a win-win for him, as either A) No one claims and he's safe or B) He gets lynched but Mafia finds the medic. I'll be going over Sheth's daunting filter today. The doc will be fine. He HAS to counter claim. If greymist is scum it drops KP to 1, which basically means we win. Given that I will not be roleblocked tonight, and Deus will watch me, I can protect the medic if he counter-claims. There is no downside to counter-claiming, only upside. I think you are town, but you are not colored in green on my spreadsheet just yet zeks and risk are. | ||
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On December 20 2011 10:51 GreYMisT wrote: i would not recommend electing me. All that would do is focus the mafia target on a single person, instead of spreading out to 2 people and forcing the mafia to choose. I'm not sure I follow, what do you mean? | ||
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On December 20 2011 11:00 GreYMisT wrote: Basically the way I see it,If i get elected into the position of watcher, all scum have to do is RB you or me, and then double stack one of us, probally me as both my powers are known. However if we continue with the election as planned, scum now have to either RB me, you, or the watcher. Incorrect on several counts. 1) The watcher CANNOT be roleblocked, or targeted by any action for that matter. 2) Players are told when they are roleblocked, therefore they can make that public. Then the watcher can visit the player who was roleblocked, and find out the identity of the roleblocker. Hence, mafia CANNOT roleblock today. 3) Because of this I can protect any medic who claims. But it makes far more sense to put our medic as the watcher. Then the medic is unhittable and can use his power, and I am unhittable(or a 1 for 1 trade due to the watcher) and can also protect. This is the ideal scenario. | ||
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On December 20 2011 11:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: If you had flipped red Greymist I would have officially been the worst mafia player ever. And yes I agree with that completely Rad. Greymist as Watcher then Deus as Prankster. I like it. We should watch out as I think the mafia with the power to do something to elections could possibly still remove Greymist. So who would we put in if they remove him from the running? Also, I recomend people go through the filters for NYCZ and those others that me + greymist have been talking about. Just because they havn't posted much recently doesn't make them mafia as Dropbear proved! Lets see if there is a counter claim first. | ||
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Greymist, you should claim in full as well. I'd like to lynch comprissent today. He has done nothing all game, has consistently promised future analysis/activity but has continually not done so. | ||
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Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC. I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though. Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM. If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:18 GreYMisT wrote: I would suggest evantrees actually. He used his ability, which is the parralell to curu's. This makes him pretty townie in my eyes. My idea of an optimal night would be evantrees in the elected position, me in the prankster postion, and radfield healing deus. In this way mafia would have to double stack deus, in which case we force them to waste a kp, or we force them to roleblock radfield, and we catch the roleblocker. thoughts? I don't mind that so much. Mafia double stacking is actually pretty good for us. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:23 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: In this scenario, they will shoot you :-/ Well, they still have to out-wifom me | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote: btw i have security of defense power from Arc sweet nectar, here I thought we lost it. I don't know what it does, but I'm glad. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:32 GreYMisT wrote: The problem here is that, while i dont think you are scum, I am way more sure that evantrees is town at this point. It is absolutly critical that we get a watch off on radfield tonight, and the best way to do that is place a very confirmed townie in that position. If we do it this way scum need to make a choice. They have to either shoot me in the prankster position, and hope it was an information role, or double stack you. Both plans will "work" but Im more comforatble with mine atm because i am not as sold on your aleignment as i am evantrees Evantrees is not likely to be shot though, and dues-ex is. If he is still alive several days from now, then that's a problem, but for now I pretty much agree with his entire list. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay, who do we lynch? 1. Cascades 2. nyczbrandon 3. Comprissent i favor the lynchcandidates in this order. I would say Comprissent Cascades nyczbrandon But I am ok with a cascades lynch. | ||
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In fact I've been leaning town on cascades all game, but I'm really not sure. I know I would much prefer lynching comprissent. | ||
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On December 21 2011 06:54 GreYMisT wrote: Also, some people still have to vote me in the election thread so i get pardoner, preferably about 3. no you already have 6 votes greymist. You don't need anymore. We need deus-ex to get MORE than you, which means there aren't technically enough votes left for anyone to beat you out for second place. 17 votes 6 for grey 7 for deus only 4 left. | ||
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On December 21 2011 07:06 MrZentor wrote: Guys, I really don't understand why we're electing Deus as watcher. We don't know he's town, and our entire plan rests on the fact that the watcher is town. If the Watcher isn't town, we get several townies, including Radfield, killed, and allow mafia to have a good chance of winning. I am getting really suspicious of Deus, because he keeps saying how he is the optimal choice for Watcher even though we have confirmed townies, such as Grey or me :p, who would be better suited for the position. We need the Watcher to be a confirmed townie and Deus isn't. It's a huge mistake to elect him as Watcher. No, we don't need a confirmed townie as the watcher. If I die, and he comes back with no name, or with the wrong name, he gets himself lynched. A 2 for 1 trade, or even a 1 for 1 trade is not acceptable to mafia right now. That being said, I think deus-ex is very likely town. | ||
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Cwave Sheth nyczbrandon Jitsu Marserreplacement cascades refallen pew pew | ||
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On December 22 2011 02:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So I geuss what I'm trying to say is : Radfield / Zeks why aren't you upset with Deus for not doing what you said to do and we all agreed on? If I turn up dead in the morning and he has an excuse instead of a name, he gets lynched. Supersoft knows the consequences. Zeks do you need protection tonight, or should I not be bothering with you? | ||
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On December 22 2011 03:36 zeks wrote: Add me to your medic list I have a feeling I might get roleblocked tonight. Is it announced after night or sometime before? Roleblocker acts in realtime I think. I was roleblocked and informed at somewhat random points in the day. It is however possible that the roleblocker will act at 1 minute before the deadline, not giving us enough time to receive the message from kita, relay it to the thread, and have deus-ex watch that person. | ||
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On December 22 2011 04:46 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: lul, are you scum, sheth? It's a distinct possibility. | ||
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Who shot him? | ||
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I'm not particularly concerned who gets Postmaster General at this stage. | ||
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On December 22 2011 12:34 Refallen wrote: I hope this clears me of some suspicion? Why does it clear you of suspicion? | ||
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His voting list is good, and he should definitely be intelligence officer. Additionally it makes sense for me to be postmaster general, as then the two of us can co-ordinate our roles. On December 22 2011 14:25 GreYMisT wrote: Radfield, Did you use your first medic shot? I actually messed up and went out drinking, then came home to find that the PM I thought I sent to Kita was not actually sent. I had planned on protecting you though Greymist, so it's all good anyways. I still have two protections left. I will be gone almost all today, and much of tomorrow unfortunately. I still have a slight town read on cascades, so would prefer to not lynch him today, but I would not be particularly sad if he was lynched. I am still suspicious of both Refallen and Cwave, but both have little things that make me think they are town. I would not be at all against lynching either one. The Marserblood replacement should be looked into, and possibly lynched depending on what he has actually done.... Jitsu I'm unsure of, as I haven't read his filter in quite some time. In fact, I need to reread all these filters to get a real good picture of who to lynch, but I simply won't have time over the next two days. I'm happy to defer to who you guys think is the best lynch between those 4(5). In relative order of scumminess: Scummy Cwave Refallen Cascades Marserblood(jaj) Jitsu Prob Town TnTP risk.nuke dues-ex Town Zentor Greymist Zeks | ||
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On December 23 2011 13:40 GreYMisT wrote: Guys take a look at cwave for me. I became suspicious myself when I looked back and saw sheth had claimed he had "great posting" and that he looked really town. As i personally read his filter I came across a few things: Not a lot of time spent trying to get elected (more than Curu though) Immediate hostility towards all the vets (sensless hostility) Does nothing to dissuade wagons forming on now known towies (me, spaakles) yet in the case of spaakles berated town for its incompetence Almost never even mentions Sheth at all. These to me all add up to scum. I would like to hear what others think too, as we do actually have to talk about a lynch today guys. I fully agree with this Greymist. Cwave has not been making sense all game, and has consistently been voting townies. He makes tons of lists with little attached analysis which is generally a scum-tactic to "contribute". There was also the weird situation where ProfBad went flying off the handle yelling at Cwave for calling players who voted spaackle scummy. It was a bizarre overreaction at the time, but makes sense if they are distancing. In addition he has been heaping suspicion on a wide variety of targets without actually pushing them: *Greymist voters *Spaackle lynchers *ProfBad election voters etc. He is by far my strongest scum read right now. ##Vote Cwave Looking over Jaj, he looks fairly decent. He has been fairly active since replacing Marserblood, and has consistently making sense. The votes yesterday were 8 Comprissent vs 5 Cascades, and Sheth was on nycbrandon. I have a feeling that if Cascades was actually scum, Sheth would have switched over to comprissent to ensure that cascades did not get lynched. That at least is what most scum would do. I'm going to reread him right now though(cascades). | ||
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It's irrelevant though, because zeks can save me with his ability, and I can save zeks with mine. So we're in the clear. | ||
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His play is 80% defence, 19% speculation and 1% scumhunting. Up until his case on Deus-ex he has done almost no scumhunting the entire game. I will say that there are still things that make him seem town, mainly the way in that he goes to lengths defending himself when he doesn't have to, and his defense against Greymist's accusations. I wouldn't be super surprised if he flipped scum, but I still think that Cwave is a better candidate. Both Refallen and TnTP have claimed blue roles, which takes us to a whopping 10 blue roles. However at least 4 or 5 of those roles are only worth half a blue(Politician, Day-Extender, Attorney, PSA, Lobbyist). For now I would take their claims at face-value. However I disagree that our current secret ballot voting has to be a scum power. It could very easily just be a game mechanic, and would be very strange for mafia to use it on this day instead of other days. In fact, I would expect the mafia to have a voting role like TnTP instead. | ||
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On December 24 2011 01:13 risk.nuke wrote: @Zeks: ok. @Radfield *Greymist voters *Spaackle lynchers First 2 doesn't really make sense rad. When you say "*Greymist voters" do you mean as in didn't switch his vote after Greymist claimed. Greymist was townie driven and was looking like he was going down no matter what so mafia could just has likely not had voted for him. Imo it's not really a tell. *Spaackle lynchers. You pretty much decided when you came storming in last minute that everyone should vote spaackle, even I was puzzled how to proceed so I can imagine less experienced people where more so. This also isn't much of a tell and once again I think mafia didn't need to hammer. Also what do you think of dues? What I was saying is that Cwave came in and heaped suspicion on the spaackle lynchers, and also tried to pushed suspicion on people who voted for greymist, yet never followed those things up. He simply threw out the suspicion and let it sit there. I think Deus is probably town. I believe the slight scumminess that had crept into his play in the last 24-36 hours is due to him getting careless with his posting. He has less townie credentials than a number of other players though, so he'll end up getting lynched down the stretch if he is scum. | ||
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On December 24 2011 01:22 risk.nuke wrote: Rad I'm not the least sold that cwave will bleed red, write a post where you take in what he's done good and bad and I'll judge that. I just read his filter and that post was a joke for a case. What has he done good? What are his contributions this game? | ||
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Sorry I popped in and out. I saw the withdrawl post from my itouch at work and figured I should post that I switched +1. I'm thinking that I will still mason with zeks. Any objections? | ||
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On December 24 2011 12:52 Jitsu wrote: These Modkills are going to lose us the game. I doubt it. | ||
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On December 24 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote: Rad, I suggest you reveal who you mason 1 min before the night ends, unless you mason someone you are absolutly sure is town. I masoned zeks, and am very confident he is town. On December 24 2011 14:48 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @Radfield Hopefully you will understand the meaning behind this message: "A reminder that your discussion is limited" If it is unclear, let me know. I follow you. Do you have any other abilities tonight? A simple yes or no will do. | ||
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On December 25 2011 01:42 GreYMisT wrote: Now that comprissent and cwave have both flipped town, do you still think cascades is out next best option? I'm honestly not sure. I went 0-2 on Comp and Cwave though, so I'm willing to let super have a crack. I have a funny feeling though that the final two scum do not lie in Cascades, Jitsu, jaj and refallen, or mafia would have likely given up. That means super, risk.nuke or TnTP, but I'm pretty town on all three of those players. | ||
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I think you're in the clear super. | ||
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I still have 1 medic protection left. TnTP is very likely town based on his actions last night. He could see the thread me and zeks were posting in, and we were communicating with his in thread messages. If he was mafia he would know I was open to be hit(and still had a protection left) and that zeks would be vanilla after tonight. I'm fine with risk.nuke and jaj as elected roles today. I'm also fine with cascades as a lynch. | ||
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). TnTP can likely verfiy this. I will hopefully have more time later on. Merry Christmas everyone. | ||
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On December 26 2011 07:07 jaj22 wrote: So, questions for Radfield: 1. How hard did you try to persuade Zeks not to shoot Jitsu? 2. Did Zeks have any more vig shots left when he died? 3. If you were happy to let him pick a shot that you disagreed with, why did you choose to PM Zeks when he was near-confirmed town? 1. Not very. I was ok with taking out Jitsu. 2. Nope, he only had the 1 shot left 3. Zeks had alluded that he had some kind of protective action left. If that was the case I wanted to be able to co-ordinate with him. TnTP: I don't get how you can be busy for the holidays, AND have followed what I layed out in post #8. Someone asked me why mafia haven't killed me yet. Presumably there are two reasons. One, my late game reads have obviously been way off, as I haven't been putting the time into this game that I normally do(work + Christmas). Two, given that they double tapped Arcto on N2, last night was their first real chance to kill me. Not sure why they didn't as I still have a medic protect, but so be it. ##Vote: Cascades | ||
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On December 27 2011 00:31 cascades wrote: Well I see Deus has managed to successfully guilt trip you guys into voting me without a case. Town credit too good. That's okay, my only case remains on Deus. While of course I would prefer the lynch order to be the other way round, if it requires you guys to lynch me first to get him lynched, so be it. I'm as scum as he is town. Don't let him escape. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. are you even going to try to defend yourself? | ||
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I think Refallen and jaj are our only actual options. I really am not sure which one to lean towards. Jaj seems more pro-town from his posting, refallen has claimed veteren in a setup which includes no other self-defensive roles, a 2-shot medic, and an elected 2-shot medic. However, we also had two elected roles with a bodyguard, and 1 elected role that was immune for 1 night. I'm really not sure which one is the better bet, but I'm leaning jaj at the moment. | ||
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On December 28 2011 07:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: On December 26 2011 07:59 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: it's obvious btw. If jaj is innocent, tntp is the next. ______________________________________ was before I did my big analysis of this game. this game is getting way too personal. I want to be replaced please. I have no fun to play with you guys anymore. If radfield is town, thanks for playing with me. I think you're the only one who folloed the action lately If scum, thanks you really played well. bye. I'm town dude, and I've felt you played a very strong late game. But you do seems to be really getting upset at stuff. Lets just lynch cascades, then move on from there. I really appreciate the time you've been putting into this game, and it is far more time than I have been sparing. Don't quit now. | ||
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On December 28 2011 12:21 risk.nuke wrote: Okey that settles the ballot question. Radfield do you think my bus theory is imagination or anything to consider? Either way I don't want to lynch deus today I just want to hear your thoughts on it and on the facts that you think supports it or stands against it. @Kita it was Military Advisor. I think it's very unlikely that supersoft has been bussing cascades for three days. Far more likely is jaj or refallen flipping scum. | ||
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A couple nice plays by townies early on put them in trouble, and they just couldn't keep up with the townies who were getting confirmed. A good game all around, and probably one of my worst late-game performances. I just didn't have the time to get it done. Well played by super down the stretch, despite him getting angry at us derping around on cascades | ||
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