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On December 10 2011 01:28 kitaman27 wrote: Arctocod Mod-confirmed blue pre-game. | ||
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I imagine Palmar will write a real announcement post later, but Vote for us Sheth are you mafia? Innocent lives hang in the balance so this is important! | ||
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On December 12 2011 15:27 GiygaS wrote: I'm already tired of people saying something and not explaining why? You can't just say "Yo, my name's prof (insert funny pic here) vote for me." You can't just say "yo you are so mafia". Please tell people, especially us newbies WHY you need to be elected, or WHY he is mafia. @Dropbear: It's important we get these things done now so we don't A) Have a misinterpretation that bite's our asses down the line B) Have no regulation and let mafia run free in the elected positions. We should make a constitution for the elected officials  Dropbear is suspicious based his very first post because he is making a ridiculous assumption about our activity in order to prevent us from being elected. The main point of me and palmar being hydras is that we know each others alignment and can thus freely discuss everything. It has nothing to do with activity and I can assure you we will be very active. Why would dropbear want to make that assumption? The townie motivation for it is quite weak as activity is something that will speak for itself. | ||
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On December 12 2011 15:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote: You mean "We are obviously running, Radfield. And I have to say I dont like you based on your very first post!" Or just like that? I'm pretty sure, but could be missreading. You're really flippant on this to just lets vote for me and Radfield "Vote for us" And the reason we should elect him is bescause then he can't run tomorrow is stupid. Anyone elected can't run the next day, it doesn't only apply to him. At least you say its not based on anything substantial. I actually slightly dislike your + radfields campaign now just from this post. The fact that you already think I'm mafia might somewhat be biasing my post. But I like people asking questions so no I'm not mafia. Are you mafia ? DrDoom will release the train and kill innocent people if you answer falsely! No, I actually do not think you are mafia based on your posts so far, to the contrary. It was merely something I wanted to say even before the game began. I did not fully explain my reasoning, but the point is that if radfield is mafia, him being elected does not rob us from the elected position for the duration of the whole game. Usually that is the case, so while you can argue that it's optimal to elect the "best" players into the office without even reading their posts, the fact that they will be stuck there for the remainder of the game is something that makes the optimal play a bit murkier. That is not to suggest that I'm advocating we should elect anyone without reading their posts, but that is my personal position on optimal play. I can discuss this further later today if necessary, but for now I've to catch the bus. | ||
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Bodyguards only protect players who were elected on that specific day? If a player is later elected again, will he lose his current elected role? | ||
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On December 12 2011 17:20 Refallen wrote: Hello! Second game here, let's have a good game. I have 2 questions for the veterans who are running; which I'll like them to answer. 1. How effectively can you scumhunt with the mayor/pardoner position as compared to as a regular townie? 2. If you were scum, how damaging would it be for town if you got the mayor/pardoner position, in your own opinion? Lastly, comparing these two questions, do you think the benefits of you being in the mayor/pardoner position if you were town outweigh the cons if it turns out you get the position as mafia? Sorry if I'm being incoherent, really tired right now. Those positions do not help us to scum hunt at all. The only real advantage is that we can not be killed on night 1. The pardoner role is potentially much more harmful in mafia hands as the only power mayor has is the anonymous extra vote. If we were mafia and elected to the position of the pardoner, it would eventually be quite clear that we aren't town aligned and thus us using the pardon would be almost inevitable. Pardoning a townie as mafia is just as harmful because then town has to decide whether the pardoned person is actually mafia or not. Now that I know that the role granted by the position isn't temporary, I think we will be running for pardoner. To answer the final question, yes, especially considering the probabilities involved. It's far more likely that we are town than mafia in any given game. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://api.ning.com/files/92z0Qhq1gv*rzFHnZ8N3lP0x1nrRnWi7oUccIL3m-hLBgAtyFywKAs7BAvOZ325-pguveSgoeWxz1J8Bx51sxSzUX6LtY644/P1930sCaptain.jpg) Citizens of Liquidia! Changes of Government have occurred frequently in history, and in the history of our people. It is certain, however, that never was a change of Government attended with such far-reaching results as it will today. The situation of the Town is desperate. We are called upon to take over the leadership of the Town at a moment when it does not seem to develop towards a great rise. We are given power in circumstances of the greatest conceivable pressure, the pressure of the knowledge that, by itself, everything is lost, and that, in the eyes of the noblest minds, this represents a last attempt, while in the eyes of evil-wishers it should condemn the Multi-Headed Beast to final failure. Unless the Town can be saved, by a miracle, the situation is bound to end in disaster. For during a period of 1day, events have moved downward without respite. On the other hand, this situation is only the result of the Mafia attacks: of the outcome of the murders, of our own internal, political, moral, and military collapse. For these reasons it is particularly important on a day like this to think back to the course of that misfortune. We humbly accept the responsibility that comes with leading town on a day like this. It is only through our actions that we will convince you of our alignment, but what we need is time. Giving us the seat will give us the time needed to both apply our considerable weight towards the war effort, and to disprove, once and for all, any attempts from the Mafia to discredit our honest intentions. The time has come my fellow Liquidians, to rally to a new banner. In unity lies strength; already many of the dissident factions have joined me. Out of the many, we shall forge an indivisible whole, capitulating only to a single throne. And from that throne, we shall watch over you! Vote Arctocod for Mayor | ||
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Hydras rock, I can just roleplay and let syllo actually scumhunt | ||
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On December 12 2011 22:13 risk.nuke wrote: Curu how can you say Palmars scumplay is obvious? Anyway, okey so basicly Radfield spoke up first on the vote veterans topic and none of the other had any disagreement. Of the involved players I feel most sure on Radfield and we should work together to ensure he becomes Pardoner. I'm not sure who else I want to elect. I don't want to see the Deus-ex or TnTp in office because I think they will be to tough to get a read on. I'm still onsure on The Professor and Arctocod but both I'm leaning against for office Also GiygaS is scummy bastard. This is rather confusing; why are you voting for radfield and why are you leaning against us for office? While both are perfectly reasonable stances to take, I'm curious as to why you reached this conclusion. You like Radfield's "vote for veterans plan", but apparently he is the only "veteran" who is acceptable to you? What in radfield's one post specificially made you sure of him? | ||
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I like that answer, despite disagreeing with the conclusion. The hydras will not be any harder to read than any other player in the game especially if they sign their posts. /syllogism | ||
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Sheth I don't see how the elected position allows you to affect the game in more ways than just voting given that we aren't going to use pardons and mayor only has one extra anonymous vote which will not play an important role until late game. It would be helpful if we could get past this election discussion today because all this talk of policies and candidates isn't particularly informative, especially with there being several rather obvious candidates. /syllogism | ||
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Sheth I do find it somewhat strange how you've been pushing the "rad is legit/town" angle a few times already without really explaining why, especially considering how little he has actually said so far. | ||
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Radfield would make that post as scum or town. Everyone knows he'd be running for mayor as town, so it's only logical he also runs as scum. Same can be said for me and syllogism. Thus it's simply incorrect to try and deduce anything about a player's alignment from a post like that, as it's predictable play as town, and thus as scum too. What will eventually reveal Rad's alignment is his ability or inability to use reason. He is so good at mafia, that if he ever makes a logically incorrect decision, he must be scum. Same can be said about myself and Syllo. We do not use bad logic. That's why we're both transparent as scum, and why we're in this position of being almost unanimously voted on day 1 without any effort. /Palmar | ||
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ProfessorBadass (Curu+Erandoor) you too, except for the attack on hydras? Erandorr I expect you to to post too and please sign your posts /syllogism | ||
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I want you to explain a few things: On December 12 2011 15:09 DropBear wrote: I am running for mayor too Why are you running for Mayor? What's the motivation behind it? Do you think scum is more likely to be wanting to off you than say, Radfield? Me/syllo? Super/Annul? If you do, why haven't you pushed any more for being voted? Did you actually not want to be voted into office? You only have a single post following your announcement post, that's probably the most disinterested campaign I've ever heard. Did you maybe only run in the off case someone voted you? On December 12 2011 15:09 DropBear wrote: I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people. I find it kinda ironic you accuse us and the other hydras of not having time or be willing to put in the effort, and then you make that single election post and disappear off the face of the earth. Do you see any particular pro-town reason for immediately discrediting several strong players? On December 12 2011 15:37 DropBear wrote: Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_- That was acctually syllogism who wrote this, but nonetheless, why are you appealing to meta from another game to defend yourself? I mean, if you really are town, why wouldn't you just prove it through your actions this game? /Palmar | ||
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On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote: I don't want Arctocod for several reasons, or Curu/Erandorr for that matter. Firstly I really don't like or trust hydras. Read the Protactinium thread if you want to see my feelings on them. With multiple people playing on one account it's much more difficult to differentiate their behaviour and get a read on them. As to low hydra activity, in games that I have played in with hydras, people have shared an account because they didn't have time to play a full game, see Protactinium in mafia 38 and JACCUZISPLAT in PYPI. I assumed that would be the case here. Why else would you ask to play as a hydra? Protactinium was an unannounced hydra. This is bullshit and you know it. Actually your example of Jaccuzisplat is excellent because it directly disproves your point. Kitaman27 played a decent game there, but redFF derp'd hard enough for both of them to be figured out as scum. Thus your point about it being harder to figure out hydras is at best wrong, and at worst fear tactics. On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote: As for the "dodge" from Arctocod, in Mafia XLIV Palmar launched an absurd aggressive attack on me after my first post. He managed to spam up the first 20 pages or so, aggressively attacked everyone who defended me and caused a general shitstorm. Surprise surprise I was a medic. I panicked and made several mistakes after that. That game severely pissed me off, he's doing it again and I'm not biting this time. That thing was done for a reason. If you don't remember I completely discarded the case on you in favor of a case on BrownBear, it was an experiment to try and catch mafia from reactions to mad tunneling, you were simply an unfortunate victim of that. The scumhunting part worked beautifully, but yes, it destroyed town atmosphere because people are pussies. That doesn't change the fact you're appealing to another game to try and disprove an attack upon you. Why is that? On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote: The last thing I want to address is my supposed inactivity. I'm in a different time zone to all of you. I'm unlikely to be posting heavily when most of you are because of this. Not only this but it's just over halfway through day 1, give me a chance! Does Australia not have a 24hour day like the rest of the world? For someone runnning for mayor it's very strange to have only posted twice, with one of them being a one-liner. Especially seeing as unlike for example the europeans, it's now 10 pm in Australia, which should mean that you've had two evenings worth of posting by now, unlike the europeans who've only had one evening so far (it's 11 am here). I didn't ask you to post at a specific time, I asked you to post.... /Palmar | ||
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On December 13 2011 19:45 DropBear wrote: I'm in Perth, its in Western Australia. It's 645pm here. I've been busy digging up lawns all day and I finished about 45 minutes ago. I haven't had a chance to put a case together yet because I've been responding to your and Spaackle's accusations. Give me a minute geez. Alright, your story is consistent, your absence is explained, and while you're dumb for distrusting us, it doesn't make you scum. I expect you to contribute heavily tonight, but for now you're off the lynching block. *Palmar hands DropBear a minute* There you go! Use it well. /Palmar | ||
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Who cares, you still suck for not posting more. Fix it. | ||
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Talk to me baby, tell me what's wrong? Who do you think is mafia? | ||
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I think the case on Zeks is terrible too. I've yet to read Zentor. | ||
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On December 14 2011 02:26 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Just for the record, I will be letting the other half of the hydra decide our lynch vote for today. I mean, I do want to get him hooked on TL mafia, and I feel like he needs to be more involved for that to happen. Expect some posts from him regarding his lynch target of choice ^_^ /Harbinger I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well. /syllogism | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:16 risk.nuke wrote: I dropped supersoft because I got a townread on his responses, sure they were idiotic but they were idiotic townie responses. However rather then screaming I THINK SUPERSOFT IS TOWN, I wanted to leave it. I could still had avoided saying that by using something more discrete but sigh, I just know this will come back so I'll say what I feel and be done with it. I'm not randomly accusing. I'm not accusing TnTp. A few others is just 1. Graymist. Hey risk.nuke, do you want to lynch sheth? | ||
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On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke. His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made? | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more. Please elaborate on these points. Why do you think Zeks is not going to help us find mafia? Can you explain in what way he has shown that he's not going to help? | ||
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Are zeks/zentor different merely because a few people happen to be voting for them right now? /syllogism | ||
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In addition to this we've some other issues with your play so far and as soon as Palmar shows up we'll be deciding whether to push for your lynch today | ||
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Well that was really stupid /syllogism | ||
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@zeks I think I'd like one in office and to try and keep the other around to keep good reads on the the one in office. I do think we need to hear from Arctocod first and I too am interested in the others who are planning on running a campaign. Does that sound like someone who is trying to approach the issue from a townie point of view or someone who has an agenda? How does that make any sense at all? Sheth appears smart so I'm assuming he can see what is wrong with this | ||
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On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke. His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? I really, really dislike this post. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to accuse someone of not using logic, when you seem to be happy to apply very little yourself, half your reads and opinions this game have been backed by nothing but your instincts or gut. Also, why do you care so much that we don't think you're accusing him of being mafia? Most importantly, what does this post tell us? It gives us a very much unexplained case on risk.nuke, that seems to conclude nothing about his alignment. But the real idea seems to be asking town to double check your ideas. Why are you not comfortable taking responsibility for your reads and actions? Why do you need so much feedback? If you can't even convince yourself you're right, how do you expect to convince others? The only people in mafia who don't like to be listened to are mafia. You claimed in one of your posts to be cocky and egoistic, I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that your filter is already painful to read because your thoughts aren't coherent, What I have seen is that you're insecure in your reads and you don't fully commit to anything, which seems to be an awfully self-centered approach to the game. The only saving grace is that your flowing and chaotic style of posting seems to be something unlikely for a new scum to do, rather an overenthusiastic townie. But I expect you to shape up from this point on. You don't want to be in a position where you're getting by because people think you're bad enough to post these things as town too. Why do you flop so hard on your reads when I attack them? How do you know I'm not mafia trying to defend a scumbuddy? Do you actually care who we lynch tonight? Or is it okay that we lynch just about anyone as long as it isn't you. I'm getting that feeling. | ||
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I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum. We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game. I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201 Here's a link to his filter: Clicky There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value. He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post: On December 13 2011 12:39 Nisani201 wrote: We could also lynch a lurker (such as TotallyNotTwoPeople). Again, I want more information. Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum. Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum. I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment. ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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On December 14 2011 09:27 xsksc wrote: I'm not voting him for his lack of activity, it's his terrible attempts at trying to justify his votes. "reasons others say" and "that scummy post he made" "no other obvious scum" It's probably more common for townies to vote with apathetic reasons than scum. He's not wrong, per se, because he didn't write anything. I hate the way he's playing, but I doubt he'll flip scum. Also that Spaackle guy looks pretty townie to me. | ||
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I think scum have a propaganda ability that allows them to post fake announcements or something. We did not receive a PM regarding the withdrawal issue. The scum must have known we went to bed. | ||
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On December 14 2011 18:18 Palmar wrote: Arctocod says Spaackle isn't scum. Arctocod gets basically confirmed town (to anyone who has half a brain) Town lynches Spaackle???? What the fuck are you guys thinking? We don't fucking joke around when we say people are town. | ||
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We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. | ||
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On December 14 2011 21:37 cascades wrote: When you call people out town, you are automatically correct? Yes. On December 14 2011 21:37 cascades wrote: BOTH ProfBadass and Radfield agreed he was a good lynch. They're being dumb, possibly scum. On December 14 2011 21:37 cascades wrote: Who do you and Deus think should have been in office then? ProfessorBadass was the only vet that was online. I don't think the people who voted in ProfBadass were at fault. prplhz, even in the very unlikely chance he's scum, he's at least devoted himself this game to protect me and syllo and agree with us a ton, so in the tiny, tiny chance he's scum, he cannot do any damage because he's forced to agree with us. | ||
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On December 14 2011 22:19 xsksc wrote: so I went with the person I believed to be scummier in this game. From now on, you just do whatever we tell you to do. | ||
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Radfield, you know just as well as I do that pushing a lynch onto a townie that seems to be active is much more terrible than going after a lurker. Also, what's with the preference in one lurker over another? At least we gave explanations for that. Did you intentionally or accidentally ignore my point that he looked pretty town? Did you not agree with it? What was the reasoning for pushing his lynch over for example nisani? /Palmar | ||
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On December 14 2011 22:47 kitaman27 wrote: Nisani201 has been replaced by VisceraEyes For the love of god. If we have a vigilante, just shoot this guy. Please, please, please don't allow him to play. | ||
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On December 14 2011 11:17 Radfield wrote: Looking at evantrees filter I would be ok lynching him. Same with Spaackle, though he has made more posts, and still seems scummy, so I would lean Spaackle over evantrees. On December 14 2011 11:55 Radfield wrote: Well, spackle should be getting lynched right now. That's certainly superior to Zentor and mildly better than nisani. These are your only mentions of Spacckle, that aren't just agreeing with other people, telling town to lynch him, or linking to his filter. I guess you also said one of his analysis was "scummy" without elaborating further at some point during the day. Do you really think that's a better case than this: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 09:22 Arctocod wrote: So yeah, Syllo went to sleep like 2 hours ago, we came up with both the ideas of pressuring Sheth and DropBear during the day, but both players seemed to respond in a way that wasn't conclusively scum. I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum. We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game. I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201 Here's a link to his filter: Clicky There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value. He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post: Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum. Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum. I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment. ##Vote Nisani201 Do you honestly think that those two mentions of spaackle from your filter are enough to answer my question of why you chose Spaackle as the lynch target? I spent a considerable amount of time reading the thread. I mean, maybe in your world this is enough of an explanation for your actions, but I would like to see something more. I'm going to give you this though, you did mention you agreed with this point: On December 14 2011 11:45 ProfessorBadass wrote: @Radfield If you don't like risk consider this: Two vastly contradicting opinions when the only thing that has changed is Town sentiment towards Nisani. I'm not a fan of lynching lurkers unless they've proven time and time again they're absolutely worthless players and they all look the damn same. But do you really think that changing his mind makes him scum? Whatever, I'm not lynching you tomorrow, I just hate your current apathetic play. /Palmar | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:52 risk.nuke wrote: I voted speccles because a lynch on nisani wouldn't had given us any information at all and he is probably town. When I voted I just checked z-bot and it said 2 on speccles and 5 on nisani so I voted to ensure it was speecles instead of nisani because the flip would atleast give me a better read on radfield. I did not want to lynch either. Why are you so bad now? You're somtimes good? | ||
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On December 15 2011 00:08 GiygaS wrote: Arctocod, are you going to do anything with the info? Obviously every piece of information can prove useful in due time, we'll see | ||
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Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:52 Palmar wrote: Almost there, maybe you'll get it on one more re-read Bleh.. | ||
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I need some of you to believably pretend to know what it is about and answer to this post so that whoever is the cause of the PM can reveal himself to me. Syllo asked people to pretend they knew what the pm was about, so mafia couldn't pick out who sent the actual pm. | ||
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On December 15 2011 02:31 MarserBlood wrote: Hey, I'm back from studying and am reading the thread now. I can't believe Arcto lost the elections. I think it must be Mafia play, because they are scared of him in office. It's a shame we lynched a blue townie too. What do we need to discuss at night? Or do we need to discuss anything at night? Because the only other mafiagame I've played, they said that towndiscussion during night only helps Mafia. Hi, those people are morons. treat night exactly the same as days. | ||
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On December 15 2011 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Real nice. Like, it's a wonder new people play here at all with vets who actively attempt to prevent people from enjoying games they join. Fuck this, Fuck you. I don't care if it was Syllo or Palmar who posted this, it's unacceptable and you should get a ban for it. You're fucking vets, people fucking listen to you. If I die overnight because of your stupid bullshit, I'm seriously never fucking playing here again. I like most new people. I actually go out of my way to get new people involved. I dislike playing with people who actively sabotage games they're in. Until your town play becomes good enough to hold you accountable for doing stupid stuff, it's simply not fun playing with you. There is no way to figure you out when you're mafia because you cannot be lynched for being wrong, because you're almost always wrong as town too. It's annoying because simply having you in the game decreases town's chance of winning, regardless of your alignment. But, I am going to completely stop being a dick to you for now, and since that outburst looked pretty townie to me, I'm going to assume you're town. Please change my opinion of you. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:16 MarserBlood wrote: Im rereading and trying to get a grip on what happened between the retreat of arctocod and the actual election, because i think that there must be some mafia influence there. also arcto, why would you lynch me? I wouldn't lynch you, I would vigi you. The issue is that you aren't posting enough and your style is making it quite difficult to read you. I'm also not familiar with your playstyle at all, since you subbed into XLVII when the game was pretty much over. The fact you are here right now is helping. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night. And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. Have you even played with dropbear before? | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:27 xsksc wrote: did you send him a letterbomb or something? yeah-ish, it was our fault, I guess that's enough for you. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmogism, what are your thoughts on risk.nuke please? As completely as you can. it's 00:30 am now, so this is gonna be short. I think he's being completely illogical and insane, I have yet to decide if that makes him scum. I would like him to simply claim if he's mason with DropBear, that would help tremendously. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:39 GiygaS wrote: I sent him a way to tell me who to kill, as I for some reason thought a basically confirmed townie meant that his judgement would be more correct than others. When he bolded Eiii after 2 line-breaks was my cue to kill him. Again guys, I'm so sorry  don't worry about it. It's on us. You're basically confirmed town now anyway, so stay active and help scumhunt. | ||
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The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1. Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now. So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:48 ProfessorBadass wrote: No because if it was anonymous then GiygaS is pretty much confirmed Town since no Mafia would use their power that way. If it wasn't then GiygaS looks a whole lot worse as a sort of delayed Vig where their targets know who killed them before they are killed. Using that power would put a whole lot of attention on you but not if you're able to pass off the decision to someone else. I'm also curious why Eiii was chosen when Arctocod mentioned 3 completely different targets for Vig shots earlier. Was that decision entirely your own Arcto? It was our decision. I'm blaming Syllo. It makes no sense for us to suggest Vigi targets we're going to kill off ourselves. The idea for killing Eiii came from prplhz's post about nisani201, but apparently we were wrong. | ||
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On December 15 2011 18:03 Cwave wrote: Can you stop editing out your post when you post on the wrong account? This goes for all hydra blobs. I can understand it happens but i would like it if you leave the orginal post there and repost on the right account. On December 13 2011 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: As this is probably going to be a common problem, if you you accidently post under the wrong account, please quote the post with your hydra account and then edit the previous post out. Changing the contents of the post will result in a multi-game ban. ty I've been following this protocol. | ||
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On December 15 2011 18:20 Cwave wrote: Ok didnt know that. I stand corrected, sorry. Are you mafia? Stop trying to get elected, you won't. Now go build me a case on someone, explain to me your top 2 scumreads, and explain why they're scum. | ||
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On December 15 2011 23:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: EBWOP : Just woke up, meant to say "If I said I'm getting a really scum read on Giygas would anyone know why?" No, he is pretty much a confirmed townie | ||
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On December 16 2011 00:35 GreYMisT wrote: Ok with the confirmation from kiyamsn that the runner up does recieve a unique power, we should defiantly elect Giygad into that position. The reason for this is because, as I said before, he has already announced his role. Therefor, the potential drawback that his role would be revealed to the mafia is null, as it already has been. Arcto should still be elected in the 1st position because he has not yet revealed his role, and that happening could be detrimental to the town (although he is already a pretty big target if his hit claim is true.) What are you talking about? Where did everyone get the idea that Secretary of Defense's role will be announced in public? All it says is that no one will know what the position does until elections are over, and even then only the person elected into that position will be told about it. Your role will be revealed to you upon election! Giygas should be the Surgeon General | ||
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On December 16 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote: Don't be an idiot. GiygaS is basically confirmed town. But we're currently working through an excel sheet of all the reads in the game, we'll probably have some kind of a conclusion tomorrow. Both Syllo and I suck at finding scum, we're really good at finding townies though, so we're using the process of elimination to find them. chill and be less useless until we're ready. | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:53 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: Relevant part of post from earlier: + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=All and from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=All I'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. /Harbinger Arctocod, I'm assuming at least one of your halves has played with Greymist when he was town before, does he normally play like this as town? In steamship, as scum, he was on the top two vote getters day 1 and day 2, here he already managed to get a vote in on every one of the top 3 vote getters on day 1. Also, as I'm sure most people are aware, some people are just easier to get lynched than others due to the way they play. Scum obviously love to push for lynches that they think will be easiest to pull off. Two of the people getting votes yesterday were Nisani and MrZentor. This is a quote from Greymist. From Steamship. Scum preying on the same players as he did in a previous game? Seems quite plausible to me. Palmar is gone for the day so he can't comment on that but greymist at least been very active and appeared to start scum hunting early. Doesn't look like a good target for the day. I'm struggling with all these low content players I'm not familiar with. Comprissant and Marserblood in particular look awful to me. | ||
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Rad while your play on the whole looks solid, I can't help but to return to the way the lynch went. "I'm voting for evantrees. Anyone who wants to follow me is more than welcome. " "That's actually a pretty good point ProBad. Lets go with Spaackle." "Lets solve the risk.nuke question on another day. I say we hit spaackle." While that's something I could say, that doesn't really look like typical radfield behavior. You even acknowledged after xlviii that your play was too passive and you need to be more confident and now you just randomly switch to someone and barely justify it? Mrzentor: Claim please. Full claim. | ||
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While theorycrafting is fun, Giygas is almost certainly town, thus assume that he is and spend your effort and time elsewhere. | ||
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On December 16 2011 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you do this exclusively to confirm his claim guy? Like, was there any other reason to have him burn that power today? It is optimal to use it today and as early as possible, assuming Rad's claim about there being a role blocker that can act during day and night is true (well actually I'm pretty sure it's true, the question is whether he was really blocked). It is optimal because there is always a chance he gets shot if he is town, people were suspicious of him and I think the extra 24h will be most helpful today. The more players there are in the game, the more time we need to shift through posts and therefore it's best to use it as early as possible, though probably not on day 1. Further, I don't think it's a good reactive ability, as suddenly postponing the lynch will just cause unnecessary chaos. | ||
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That's not the full list of acceptable lynches today, just a list of people who I haven't today yet looked into. Marser is there because I can't quite tell. | ||
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Curu has a very high chance of flipping scum and hitting scum today will lower scum kp. He hasn't been particularly useful and doesn't appear like he has much interest in the game. You say he has the potential to be useful, but there is little indication that he intends to be and it's because he is red. Annul is probably a good town player and should have been lynched on day 2 in XLVIII, agreed? Sandroba was obvious scum in that game as well and could easily have been lynched on day 2. | ||
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If not, then it's kind of strange that you flat out refuse an idea we've been working on for a long time without giving it considerable attention, If you think we're town, you know we're not suggesting lynching Curu/Errandor for fun. I'm trying to understand your motivation for doing thi. | ||
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On December 16 2011 20:57 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: And I want to survive until day3. I want to be this secretary of defens. GigayS is a poor choice. Rofl, screw you scum | ||
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On December 16 2011 21:21 Palmar wrote: I'm beautiful in my way 'Cause God makes no mistakes I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way Don't hide yourself in regret Just love yourself and you're set I'm on the right track, baby I was born this way, born this way | ||
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I like what you are doing there, though the focus should be completely on the lynch as it's pretty much impossible for scum to disagree with us being elected. | ||
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On December 17 2011 03:10 GreYMisT wrote: How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you. Haha we have spent hours going through the filters, I'm just not going to read them for the 10th time because I don't think there is nothing particularly damning there, besides the fact they've done little to make themselves look town. Curu on the other hand has played in a way that makes him very likely scum, rather than a null or slightly scummy. The "probably" part was a joke. | ||
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On December 17 2011 04:08 Curu wrote: No I'm done. I really don't care. I'm not posting anything anymore either way so just kill me and get it over with. I'm pulling a Palmar. Don't you dare calling your bullshit that. You need dramatic posting, song lyrics and various other theatrics, and when there's actually a chance that you survive, you need to start posting like a boss again. Regardless of your alignment, folding with 4! (that's four) votes on yourself and 30 hours left in the day is bullshit. When you said "I'm pulling a palmar" you're probably talking about XLVII, but you haven't brought forth 1% of the content I created after Ace started tunneling me. Now I just want to lynch you for tarnishing my good name. Make a video, create an ms point, do something theatrical, and maybe you can compare you to me, but this is not "Pulling a Palmar". Bitch. | ||
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Obviously you aren't supposed to silence yourself, but he didn't feel like defending himself or figured that he would get lynched anyway. It's a scum power and even if it wasn't, using it like that makes him scum. Lynch him. | ||
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On December 17 2011 05:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I voted for him just to see who would agree / disagree with me. I didn't really think Arctocod had an argument that was worth killing off ProBA, but I wanted to see everyones responses. After this I'm really confused. I will say for sure I think Deus said something that was true. What arctocod has done lately is really just kill the town atmosphere. Can we just go back on risk.nuke and kill ProfBA next round? This is making this round horribly annoying. Arctocod singing, no Radfield, lurkers being lurkers. Why did we have to extend this 24 more hours. It's pretty funny how someone is always saying how I'm killing the town atmosphere when I'm pressuring scum. See: XLVIII | ||
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I'll read the cases later tonight, I'm semi-busy now (I intended to write a case on Curu later tonight, because despite him being an emotional bitch, there is plenty of other stuff we considered when we decided to accuse him). But looks like I won't need that. For someone who is such a strong player as Curu, there is absolutely no motivation to shut himself up as town. I simply cannot see it. | ||
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On December 17 2011 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't be coy Palmar, you know damn well why he did it. He's accepting his fate because you've decided to lynch him. I can see that from Curu regardless of his alignment. Now please stfu and answer my question or something god-awful is going to happen to you. Lol bring it on. We're not some kind of gods, the guy had 4 votes on him. Us voting someone doesn't mean that person is dead. I already explained that I'm kinda busy now, I'll read your cases later. Stop being an asshole. | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:09 syllogism wrote: Please don't do anything stupid /syllogism | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that... It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him... do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ? I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote: I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election. There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it. Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described. And he tries to get the role of pardoner. It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074 | ||
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On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote: And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke. Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum? The whole point of a hydra is that you don't personally have to post at all if you don't want. They may even had had a such an agreement in place. There is nothing wrong with that. Also it's not a policy lynch at all; curu's play makes him scum and erandorr's absense just made us have a closer look at him. What do you think about MrZentor and Sheth cascades? | ||
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Syllo is saying the truth. We discussed several other things in Curu's play (from his half-assed candidacy, his insistance on killing spaackle who syllo and I both saw as pretty townie, his seemingly non-persuative effortless scumhunting, his lack of accusations etc). I was going to write a case on him last night, but then he decided to troll the game instead. There is no town motivation for doing what he's doing so we have to hang him. No matter what, after this he will have to die at some point in the game. He holds the pardoner ability, so double lynching today would be kinda stupid. So sadly, we're kinda stuck with not much to do at the moment. I personally feel supersoft is kinda scummy, and I agree with syllo's notion that MrZentor's idea of how the role works is... suspiciously accurate. I haven't read sheth again and I haven't spoken with syllo today, but I found his day 1 posting very weird, but I wrote it off as a newbie style (It was mostly me who pressured him on day 1). So syllo's probably right about him too, he usually is. But maybe there was something to it, I need to re-read. That's actually what I'd suggest people do today, spend as much time as you can reading the thread. /Palmar | ||
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On December 18 2011 05:49 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear... A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote: I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections? I think all the medics should be on us and rad. They should even consider RNGing which one to protect to deter scum from double stacking one of us. | ||
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That means syllo and I are now quadruple confirmed townies. about to be quintuple confirmed when curu flips scum | ||
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I have been attempting to analyze the target who were hit last night. Xsksc, prplhz, and (assuming he is telling the truth,) Arcotod. So far, there is so little in common I really can't tie anything together, which initially made me conclude that the mafia are either brilliant in picking their targets, or are just random-firing at anything not red. It sounds artificial. He couldn't find "anything in common" so mafia is either brilliant or random firing? What exactly did he expect NKs to have in common and why? | ||
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On December 18 2011 19:48 Palmar wrote: oh wait, rad fake-claimed that, ignore me. Syllo just told me. | ||
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