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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 18 2011 01:37 GreYMisT wrote: I don't think you understand when to use ellipses (...). Anyway I'll be retreading the thread today as well. Suggest everyone do the same. Sorry... | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote: I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074 Well, I did play mafia for a year before I joined forum mafia. Technically, this is my third game, but in the first two I died on the first day or on the first night. I don't see how an extra 24 hours is pro scum. On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote: OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not. In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch  Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use? This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate. MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you. Let me explain my 2 hour before election reasoning. 1. An ability was used to kick a person out of office, because if the person resigned, he would have given an explanation. 2.This ability would be ridiculously OP if mafia could use it 20 seconds before elections, so the ability probably has to be used a certain time (a couple of hours) before the election. 3. Mafia, using this role, would like to give as little time as possible for the town to think about a new candidate. 4. The moderator, when posting, pointed out that there were a little more than 2 hours remaining. 5.Therefore, the ability had the limitations that it had to be used no closer than 2 hours away from the election. It really makes risk.nuke scummy, doesn't it? I notice these types of things.  P.S. I would love to talk to you | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
On December 17 2011 19:04 Arctocod wrote: Radfield I can also pretty much guarantee that Sheth is scum. You can probably just realize why when you look at his play throughout the game. His actions around the time professorbadass started to get votes is particularly bad. We'll write a case either today or tomorrow. I'm not scum. Feel free to write a case, I'm just trying really hard to play correctly this game. I'm re-reading people now, but I have my best friend's sisters wedding today. So yea, and yes I know it seems I always have something I have to do. If I didn't I'd just stream forever. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote: OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not. In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use? This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate. MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you. My posting is terrible? I found scum already, it's evantrees, I can pretty much guarantee it. (Filter him and look at his defense against VE's analysis). I think thats one more scum I've found then you have, unless you were the one spear-heading this PBA shin-dig. If you are going to attack my posting, do so. Don't make some off-hand comment about it, that's insulting and non-commital. Now I see why PBA got voted in. Good day sir. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Pt. 1 - Pre-Madness. (Being the account of Sheth's behavior before Arctocod was removed from office and ProfessorBadass became the flavor of the day.) Responses which kinda set Sheth's tone in the game. He's relatively active, and tries to respond to any questions asked of him in a timely fashion. Not much in this particular post to comment on, just thought it was a good indicator of what I've seen in general in Sheth's posts. Here is another good indicator of Sheth's mindset this game. He's not really afraid to give his opinion on things. Like, when I was after risk.nuke, the responses I got from the vets was "Oh, he's acting too scummy to actually be scum" I haven't found Sheth's play to be particularly scummy, but he's certainly not afraid to draw attention to himself...he was initially running against Rad and Arctocod for Mayor/Pardoner, he typed up a (ridiculous  ) conspiracy theory earlier in the game, etc.Something I don't like about Sheth, however, can be found here. Sheth is very liberal with insisting that "I'm town." Like, yes, sure sir...we're all town, right? Simply stating as much doesn't add to your credibility, and the amount that he does it actually detracts from it. Just a minor point against him imo. There's something in this post that I did like from sheth. It's at the end, the bit about "I don't want to end it without hearing from other people who have campaigns started". If I had been in the game, I would have given him props then. It's very town to generate discussion, and demanding activity from people trying to be in a town-leadership postion gives Sheth +Town from me. Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it? Two things here. One, prodding inactives to post and aversion to easy (lurker) bandwagons. Uh oh...I don't like soft-defending someone without letting them speak for themselves. Yeah...here we see Sheth being wishywashy regarding risk.nuke. I understand the need for 'clarity' or 'transparancy', but statements like "I'm NOT saying hes mafia" make me wonder why. If his posts show very little logic and appear to be randomly accusatory, why aren't you saying he's mafia? Those are mafia traits, as I understand them. He acts the same way regarding prplhz in the post previous. Just don't like it. Feel free to comment on any of this, and stay tuned for Pt 2, where we explore Sheth's behavior in the face of confusing twists and our first flip! | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 18 2011 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Liquid`Sheth Uh oh...nevermind. He admits to trying to "collect towncred". Waahwaahwaaaaaaaah. I get trying to establish innocence, but that's not what he said is it? this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Patience sir, I'm just trying to be thorough. This isn't a "case" against Sheth, I've been going through his posts and making notes. And also, I'm not finished (hence the Pt. 1). | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 18 2011 05:49 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: this was trolling. obviously. i want to read a real case. i can think of some scummy aspects of shets play but none of the things you painted red are scumtells and my own finds dont weigh up the fact that he's contributing without fear... A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 18 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote: A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow. I thought I proved I was town. Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote: I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections? I think all the medics should be on us and rad. They should even consider RNGing which one to protect to deter scum from double stacking one of us. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote: Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None. QFT I mean, Bum isn't the most active of dudes in my experience, but his posting this game has been...unimpressive. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 18 2011 06:04 MrZentor wrote: I thought I proved I was town. Adding 24 hours of discussion for town is obviously an advantage for town. you have a 70/30-town/scum-ratio role. Your overall behaviour is really scummy. On December 18 2011 06:13 GiygaS wrote: I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections? there will be no medic on zentor, that's for sure. On December 18 2011 06:17 Arctocod wrote: Or I suppose we could just lynch Bum next as he doesn't seem to be interested in playing the game. There is no excuse for inactivity when you voluntarily sub in. None. I didn't check it yet, but if he really accused evantrees, I think he might be innocent. evantrees looks even more scummy to me right now. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 18 2011 06:33 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: you have a 70/30-town/scum-ratio role. Your overall behaviour is really scummy. there will be no medic on zentor, that's for sure. I didn't check it yet, but if he really accused evantrees, I think he might be innocent. evantrees looks even more scummy to me right now. I really don't like you. I give hard evidence I'm town, but you still don't believe me. I'm confirmed town just like GigyaS and worth protecting just like him. The medics shouldn't listen to you, because you can't see facts right in front of your eyes. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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