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Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
December 17 2011 07:40 GMT
#1721
^^ good point by deus do not double lynch!!
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 17 2011 07:50 GMT
#1722
So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha.

And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 17 2011 08:06 GMT
#1723
On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha.

And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?


his play is not exactly antitown. it's the others who play antitown because they're highly sensitive and dont think for themselves. his mistake is that he doesnt take this into account
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 17 2011 08:38 GMT
#1724
On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
So I guess this confirms ProfBad as scum then. I was looking through the vets to determine scummy play. I found all of them scummy for not pointing out how Arc was killing town discussion. I even laid the foundation to do so, but none of them stepped up to the plate. Finally Deus supplied the answer: it is Arc (Palmar) meta is to always play antitown like this. Hahahaha.

And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?


btw. I'd like to have your opinion on the following players:

evantress
bumatlarge
nyczbrandon
GreYMisT
Cwave
tntp

:-)
Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 17 2011 10:04 GMT
#1725
Radfield I can also pretty much guarantee that Sheth is scum. You can probably just realize why when you look at his play throughout the game. His actions around the time professorbadass started to get votes is particularly bad. We'll write a case either today or tomorrow.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 17 2011 10:05 GMT
#1726
And curu if it helps, we had other issues with your play that made you very likely scum.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 17 2011 10:59 GMT
#1727
On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?

The whole point of a hydra is that you don't personally have to post at all if you don't want. They may even had had a such an agreement in place. There is nothing wrong with that.

Also it's not a policy lynch at all; curu's play makes him scum and erandorr's absense just made us have a closer look at him. What do you think about MrZentor and Sheth cascades?
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 17 2011 11:15 GMT
#1728
On December 17 2011 19:59 Arctocod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
And now we have yet another policy lynch based on the fact that this Erandorr vet is a joke that ragequits games when he gets mafia. And in fact he does this so often its a meta that every vet knows. Surreal. Why isn't he permabanned yet? I want a Erandorr ban if ProfBad turns out to be scum. What a joke.

Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?

The whole point of a hydra is that you don't personally have to post at all if you don't want. They may even had had a such an agreement in place. There is nothing wrong with that.

Also it's not a policy lynch at all; curu's play makes him scum and erandorr's absense just made us have a closer look at him. What do you think about MrZentor and Sheth cascades?


I definetely can see why MrZentor is scummy - I don't need any further explantion there.
But I really want to see the case on sheth.

Right now my scumteam consists of:
cascades, curu, zentor + two people from my list above. (in terms of scummyness ordered from top to bottom.)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 17 2011 11:32 GMT
#1729
On December 05 2011 09:40 kitaman27 wrote:

Play to win.



Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 17 2011 11:52 GMT
#1730
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:
On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that...
It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him...

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.


do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ?

I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum.

Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability


On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.
A little over 2 hours remain in the day.


There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it.

Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described.

Ehh wtf move palmar?


And he tries to get the role of pardoner.

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.

Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.


It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum.

I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074



This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.


Rad, wasn't that the same point that I brought up against Refallen that was defended by a few other players?
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 17 2011 12:24 GMT
#1731
What a stupid turn of events.

Syllo is saying the truth. We discussed several other things in Curu's play (from his half-assed candidacy, his insistance on killing spaackle who syllo and I both saw as pretty townie, his seemingly non-persuative effortless scumhunting, his lack of accusations etc).

I was going to write a case on him last night, but then he decided to troll the game instead. There is no town motivation for doing what he's doing so we have to hang him. No matter what, after this he will have to die at some point in the game. He holds the pardoner ability, so double lynching today would be kinda stupid.

So sadly, we're kinda stuck with not much to do at the moment. I personally feel supersoft is kinda scummy, and I agree with syllo's notion that MrZentor's idea of how the role works is... suspiciously accurate. I haven't read sheth again and I haven't spoken with syllo today, but I found his day 1 posting very weird, but I wrote it off as a newbie style (It was mostly me who pressured him on day 1). So syllo's probably right about him too, he usually is.

But maybe there was something to it, I need to re-read.

That's actually what I'd suggest people do today, spend as much time as you can reading the thread.

/Palmar
♪♫♫ We all stand together! ♪♫♪
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 17 2011 13:32 GMT
#1732
On December 17 2011 16:50 cascades wrote:
Banning Erandorr if ProfBad = scum?


All bans will be discussed post game. Ty.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
December 17 2011 14:11 GMT
#1733
On December 17 2011 15:44 evantrees wrote:
still bugging me hopefully get an answer this time.
Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch,
does the person with the most votes after the pardon is used(the runner up) get lynched or is the lynch called off.


If a pardoner uses his pardoner, the lynch is called off. The second place voter is not lynched.

On December 17 2011 16:17 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Don't use the doublelynch today!!!
If curu is scum he has nothing to lose and he may just pardon the other lynchcandidate if he's scum.


I'm not sure how the timeline would work there. Typically the pardon takes place a few minutes after the lynch. So if the pardoner is already dead he can't really pardon.

Can the Pardoner use his ability on the same day he is lynched?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 17 2011 14:24 GMT
#1734
On December 17 2011 23:11 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 15:44 evantrees wrote:
still bugging me hopefully get an answer this time.
Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch,
does the person with the most votes after the pardon is used(the runner up) get lynched or is the lynch called off.


If a pardoner uses his pardoner, the lynch is called off. The second place voter is not lynched.


In this setup, the pardon nullifies all votes against a player. It does not terminate the lynch.


On December 17 2011 23:11 Radfield wrote:
Can the Pardoner use his ability on the same day he is lynched?


Yes
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 17 2011 14:44 GMT
#1735
I'm sorry I haven't been very active in the last little while, I'll try to make up for it by going througha few filters and posting my thoughts as soon as I get home later today.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 17 2011 16:04 GMT
#1736
hmm after filterin almost everyone individually, I made a scumranklist including scummyness of every player in this game. I'd like to discuss that list especially with radfield, Palmar and Syllo.
Do you think it's better to post that list now or better at the end of the night.
I think I got some correct and well reasoned townreads on several players... Maybe that would make them to scumtargets...
Although the advantage to discuss that list today is that we lay down more pressure on the people who I don't have a townread on and we have more time... So what do you think...

Moreover I know that you, Palmar and Syllo, already have such a list aswell. However I think we have some differences.
If we exchange our opinions, I guess we could nail down most of the scumteam...
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 17 2011 16:32 GMT
#1737
So cool, we've got a lying and dying Curu, a lynch-happy Radfield and an Arctocod who continues to promise content that he may or may not ever deliver, and a Deus trying desperately to look pro-town.

I like where this is going. I'll be back with thoughts later.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State258 Posts
December 17 2011 16:34 GMT
#1738
VE you got this... *facepalm*
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#1739
On December 18 2011 01:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hmm after filterin almost everyone individually, I made a scumranklist including scummyness of every player in this game. I'd like to discuss that list especially with radfield, Palmar and Syllo.
Do you think it's better to post that list now or better at the end of the night.
I think I got some correct and well reasoned townreads on several players... Maybe that would make them to scumtargets...
Although the advantage to discuss that list today is that we lay down more pressure on the people who I don't have a townread on and we have more time... So what do you think...

Moreover I know that you, Palmar and Syllo, already have such a list aswell. However I think we have some differences.
If we exchange our opinions, I guess we could nail down most of the scumteam...


I don't think you understand when to use ellipses (...).
Anyway I'll be retreading the thread today as well. Suggest everyone do the same.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
December 17 2011 16:38 GMT
#1740
Hey, I get ignored when I try and contribute. So I'm just goin' with the flow and throwin my 2 cents in where applicable. *shrug*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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