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Radfield
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me.
come on.
Additionally, would having my vote on you make my case any stronger? Does my case lose credibility because I haven't put my vote down?
Are you really so exasperated that this is what your defense boils down to?
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That's an interesting claim Greymist. Barring any counter-claim it's pretty rock solid.
If Greymist is lying please counter-claim. Scum will be knocked down to one KP, and I can protect you.
In the event that greymist is town, we have some work to do.
On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh.
I'm fine with either zeks or risk.nuke, as I think both are town. TotallyNotTwoPeople I am less sure on right now.
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Also, lynching nyczbrandon is a terrible idea. You don't lynch lurkers on Day 3. If he is town, he needs to step it up and show that though.
I'm going to look into cascades and comprissent.
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On December 20 2011 10:44 GiygaS wrote:
I'm just worried about that claim, because it may have just been graymist trying to draw the doc out so the mafia can kill him D:. Seriously, if Greymist is scum, it's a win-win for him, as either A) No one claims and he's safe or B) He gets lynched but Mafia finds the medic. I'll be going over Sheth's daunting filter today.
The doc will be fine. He HAS to counter claim. If greymist is scum it drops KP to 1, which basically means we win.
Given that I will not be roleblocked tonight, and Deus will watch me, I can protect the medic if he counter-claims. There is no downside to counter-claiming, only upside.
On December 20 2011 10:44 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 10:33 Radfield wrote:That's an interesting claim Greymist. Barring any counter-claim it's pretty rock solid. If Greymist is lying please counter-claim. Scum will be knocked down to one KP, and I can protect you. In the event that greymist is town, we have some work to do. On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. I'm fine with either zeks or risk.nuke, as I think both are town. TotallyNotTwoPeople I am less sure on right now. Why you no trust me? :-(
I think you are town, but you are not colored in green on my spreadsheet just yet 
zeks and risk are.
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On December 20 2011 10:51 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 10:42 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2011 10:23 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:28 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 20 2011 09:22 GreYMisT wrote:On December 20 2011 09:14 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i got to sleep now. I want you to read your own filter... after that, you decide for yourself if your scumplay this game was good enough to survive the day3lynch :-(
(no it wasnt)
:D
cu tomorrow The fact that you think my scum would be this bad is insulting. wohoo. I knew i would get to read something if i look into the thread one last time :-P can you please roleclaim? If you have a super-awesome townrole, I want to hear this role now, because 1 hour before the lynch will be too late. Right now I don't see any possibility that you survive this if not something incredible happens Don't worry, GreYMisT has a plan. First the roleclaim. I am a Medic. I protected Arctocod night 1, and recieved a PM that my protection was succsesful. I protected Radfield night 2, assuming that Giygas would give the medic power to someone not being roleblocked, and recieved no PM. Therefore we know that Arcto was indeed double stacked that night. Now the rest of this is up to you guys. please for the love of God go read my filter from MLP and/or LotR mafia. In both games I was blue as well (DT). Next Read my filter from Steamship, the game in which i was most recently red. Read them? good. Now for the thinking part. Try to find ways that my scum play is different than my play here, and then try to find how my blue play is different than my play here. Im going to spoiler my own reasons why my play in steamship differs from here. No cheating! + Show Spoiler + When I played scum in steamship, I had to deal with a very town palmar, just as scum had to in this game. Notice how instead of agreeing and disagreeing/changing my mind with lynches a lot like I have been in this game, I am instead usally the first or second person to start a bandwagon, and see it through to the end. In steamship I fostered a bad town atmosphere not by causing chaos or turning the town against palmar, but by simply letting chaos reign, letting all of the newer players turn against each other so palmar could not exert control. In this game I have been what incognito described in his postgame writeup of PYP:I as assertive, and doesnt like when there is something wrong with the satus quo. This is evident in the way I continuously push people for reasoning and to explain their actions. Finally, in steamship i recieved accusations similar to here. here is how i responded to Palmar's final accusation in that game: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2011 07:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:27 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:16 GreYMisT wrote:On November 30 2011 06:54 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 06:51 Lemonwalrus wrote:On November 30 2011 06:47 Palmar wrote:On November 23 2011 08:29 Lemonwalrus wrote:
How come palmar didn't bold the first # in his fistpound?
Is it paranoid of me to ask that question?
Someone hold me. explain please, you knew this had nothing to do with me or my role at this point. a joke? Not a good one...but there you have it. That's actually the correct answer. You did flip your read on me, that's correct. You weren't vocal enough with it though, but it's not enough to incriminate you. Depending on how the night ends, I would suggest only killing Bumatlarge tomorrow. This i can agree on. Here's an assignment. Write me an essay on why you're not scum, and please, go back and quote your own posts and explain the reasoning behind them. I think you are the most likely to flip scum out of the remaining people, so if I were you I'd do something about it. Since the dawn of recorded history, man has been mortal. Thus in his mortality man has sought not to die, but to live. this sentiment is reflected thus in the game of mafia. in the following paragraphs i shall explain unto you, my reader, why it is a good idea for me not to die, but to live onto another day.... Yea im not going to do it like that. Although i believe you to be town above almost everyone else in this game, aside from perhaps lanaia, I find it a contradiction that you said in a previous post that you find bum the most likely to flip scum, but then say I'm the most likely to flip scum. for the purpose of this argument im going to assume you mean im most likely to flip scum after you have lynched bumatlarge. I Can't tell you why im not scum, because thats honestly not a question i have found myself needing to ask for most of this game. you said yourself however earlier in the game, that while misguided, i voted for the lynches i voted for in an honest way, and had reasoning behind all of them. Thats the best reasoning i have for being town at the moment. WBG is the only one to have brought a case against me as scum this game, and ti boiled down to the fact that i didn't vote for coag. He ignored the fact that he was most likely going to get modkilled, and i was waiting on conformation. as someone said earlier, we would rather have someone modkilled than lynched. that is why i wasnt going to jump on the coag lynch. In any case. I know im town, and im pretty dang certain you are town as well. my reads are bumatlarge and lemonwalrus. thats pretty much all i can say. What does this post say? thats right, pretty much nothing. its goal was to not give the town a damn thing. You see when i had that much focus on me as scum, I was pretty prepared to die. I had already given zephridd full instructions on how to win after I got lynched. My only goal in that post was to not give town anything in the event of my death. What have i done this game? continued to explain my reads and pressure people. Hopefully that does the trick. I will be unvoting you then I suppose. If a counter-claim comes up, we'll deal with it then. Thank you for not waiting until the last minute and leaving us scrambling for a new target/wondering if the counterclaim is actually just afk at the end of the day cycle. If we hear no counterclaim, should we elect greymist police chief to protect him from roleblocks or kp this night? Although this idea is less good if using his medic ability would make him unable to use the watcher ability. Does using the police chief watcher ability prevent you from using other abilities you might have? i would not recommend electing me. All that would do is focus the mafia target on a single person, instead of spreading out to 2 people and forcing the mafia to choose.
I'm not sure I follow, what do you mean?
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Radfield
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On December 20 2011 11:00 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:On December 20 2011 10:51 GreYMisT wrote:On December 20 2011 10:42 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2011 10:23 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 09:28 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 20 2011 09:22 GreYMisT wrote:On December 20 2011 09:14 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i got to sleep now. I want you to read your own filter... after that, you decide for yourself if your scumplay this game was good enough to survive the day3lynch :-(
(no it wasnt)
:D
cu tomorrow The fact that you think my scum would be this bad is insulting. wohoo. I knew i would get to read something if i look into the thread one last time :-P can you please roleclaim? If you have a super-awesome townrole, I want to hear this role now, because 1 hour before the lynch will be too late. Right now I don't see any possibility that you survive this if not something incredible happens Don't worry, GreYMisT has a plan. First the roleclaim. I am a Medic. I protected Arctocod night 1, and recieved a PM that my protection was succsesful. I protected Radfield night 2, assuming that Giygas would give the medic power to someone not being roleblocked, and recieved no PM. Therefore we know that Arcto was indeed double stacked that night. Now the rest of this is up to you guys. please for the love of God go read my filter from MLP and/or LotR mafia. In both games I was blue as well (DT). Next Read my filter from Steamship, the game in which i was most recently red. Read them? good. Now for the thinking part. Try to find ways that my scum play is different than my play here, and then try to find how my blue play is different than my play here. Im going to spoiler my own reasons why my play in steamship differs from here. No cheating! + Show Spoiler + When I played scum in steamship, I had to deal with a very town palmar, just as scum had to in this game. Notice how instead of agreeing and disagreeing/changing my mind with lynches a lot like I have been in this game, I am instead usally the first or second person to start a bandwagon, and see it through to the end. In steamship I fostered a bad town atmosphere not by causing chaos or turning the town against palmar, but by simply letting chaos reign, letting all of the newer players turn against each other so palmar could not exert control. In this game I have been what incognito described in his postgame writeup of PYP:I as assertive, and doesnt like when there is something wrong with the satus quo. This is evident in the way I continuously push people for reasoning and to explain their actions. Finally, in steamship i recieved accusations similar to here. here is how i responded to Palmar's final accusation in that game: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2011 07:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:27 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:16 GreYMisT wrote:On November 30 2011 06:54 Palmar wrote:On November 30 2011 06:51 Lemonwalrus wrote:On November 30 2011 06:47 Palmar wrote:On November 23 2011 08:29 Lemonwalrus wrote:
How come palmar didn't bold the first # in his fistpound?
Is it paranoid of me to ask that question?
Someone hold me. explain please, you knew this had nothing to do with me or my role at this point. a joke? Not a good one...but there you have it. That's actually the correct answer. You did flip your read on me, that's correct. You weren't vocal enough with it though, but it's not enough to incriminate you. Depending on how the night ends, I would suggest only killing Bumatlarge tomorrow. This i can agree on. Here's an assignment. Write me an essay on why you're not scum, and please, go back and quote your own posts and explain the reasoning behind them. I think you are the most likely to flip scum out of the remaining people, so if I were you I'd do something about it. Since the dawn of recorded history, man has been mortal. Thus in his mortality man has sought not to die, but to live. this sentiment is reflected thus in the game of mafia. in the following paragraphs i shall explain unto you, my reader, why it is a good idea for me not to die, but to live onto another day.... Yea im not going to do it like that. Although i believe you to be town above almost everyone else in this game, aside from perhaps lanaia, I find it a contradiction that you said in a previous post that you find bum the most likely to flip scum, but then say I'm the most likely to flip scum. for the purpose of this argument im going to assume you mean im most likely to flip scum after you have lynched bumatlarge. I Can't tell you why im not scum, because thats honestly not a question i have found myself needing to ask for most of this game. you said yourself however earlier in the game, that while misguided, i voted for the lynches i voted for in an honest way, and had reasoning behind all of them. Thats the best reasoning i have for being town at the moment. WBG is the only one to have brought a case against me as scum this game, and ti boiled down to the fact that i didn't vote for coag. He ignored the fact that he was most likely going to get modkilled, and i was waiting on conformation. as someone said earlier, we would rather have someone modkilled than lynched. that is why i wasnt going to jump on the coag lynch. In any case. I know im town, and im pretty dang certain you are town as well. my reads are bumatlarge and lemonwalrus. thats pretty much all i can say. What does this post say? thats right, pretty much nothing. its goal was to not give the town a damn thing. You see when i had that much focus on me as scum, I was pretty prepared to die. I had already given zephridd full instructions on how to win after I got lynched. My only goal in that post was to not give town anything in the event of my death. What have i done this game? continued to explain my reads and pressure people. Hopefully that does the trick. I will be unvoting you then I suppose. If a counter-claim comes up, we'll deal with it then. Thank you for not waiting until the last minute and leaving us scrambling for a new target/wondering if the counterclaim is actually just afk at the end of the day cycle. If we hear no counterclaim, should we elect greymist police chief to protect him from roleblocks or kp this night? Although this idea is less good if using his medic ability would make him unable to use the watcher ability. Does using the police chief watcher ability prevent you from using other abilities you might have? i would not recommend electing me. All that would do is focus the mafia target on a single person, instead of spreading out to 2 people and forcing the mafia to choose. I'm not sure I follow, what do you mean? Basically the way I see it,If i get elected into the position of watcher, all scum have to do is RB you or me, and then double stack one of us, probally me as both my powers are known. However if we continue with the election as planned, scum now have to either RB me, you, or the watcher.
Incorrect on several counts.
1) The watcher CANNOT be roleblocked, or targeted by any action for that matter.
2) Players are told when they are roleblocked, therefore they can make that public. Then the watcher can visit the player who was roleblocked, and find out the identity of the roleblocker. Hence, mafia CANNOT roleblock today.
3) Because of this I can protect any medic who claims. But it makes far more sense to put our medic as the watcher. Then the medic is unhittable and can use his power, and I am unhittable(or a 1 for 1 trade due to the watcher) and can also protect. This is the ideal scenario.
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Radfield
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On December 20 2011 11:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
If you had flipped red Greymist I would have officially been the worst mafia player ever. And yes I agree with that completely Rad. Greymist as Watcher then Deus as Prankster. I like it.
We should watch out as I think the mafia with the power to do something to elections could possibly still remove Greymist. So who would we put in if they remove him from the running? Also, I recomend people go through the filters for NYCZ and those others that me + greymist have been talking about. Just because they havn't posted much recently doesn't make them mafia as Dropbear proved!
Lets see if there is a counter claim first.
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Radfield
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Evantrees, can you please claim in full.
Greymist, you should claim in full as well.
I'd like to lynch comprissent today. He has done nothing all game, has consistently promised future analysis/activity but has continually not done so.
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Radfield
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If Greymist is in fact the medic, which it appears he is, he should be voted in as the Police Chief.
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OK, so it makes sense to vote in deus-ex as Police Chief. He becomes protected and can watch me.
Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC.
I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though.
Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM.
If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM.
I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list.
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Radfield
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On December 21 2011 06:18 GreYMisT wrote:
I would suggest evantrees actually. He used his ability, which is the parralell to curu's. This makes him pretty townie in my eyes. My idea of an optimal night would be evantrees in the elected position, me in the prankster postion, and radfield healing deus. In this way mafia would have to double stack deus, in which case we force them to waste a kp, or we force them to roleblock radfield, and we catch the roleblocker.
thoughts?
I don't mind that so much. Mafia double stacking is actually pretty good for us.
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Radfield
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On December 21 2011 06:23 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:22 GreYMisT wrote:On December 21 2011 06:20 Radfield wrote:OK, so it makes sense to vote in deus-ex as Police Chief. He becomes protected and can watch me. Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC. I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though. Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM.
If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list. what do you think of evantrees in the PC position, and you healing deus? In this scenario, they will shoot you :-/
Well, they still have to out-wifom me
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Radfield
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no one needs to know whom I am protecting. I can figure that out on my own. zeks, TNTP, Prankster, etc.
For now I think the best action is Dues-ex as #1 and Greymist as #2.
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Radfield
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Greymist will find out what his role does, and can let us know if he needs protection or not.
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On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote:
btw i have security of defense power from Arc
sweet nectar, here I thought we lost it. I don't know what it does, but I'm glad.
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On December 21 2011 06:32 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:26 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
optimal play to protect radfield, me and the new prankster (Greymist):
I go for PC, and watch Rad.
Rad saves Grey
one of the other green guys on my list will get shot and we continue to lynch scum
= win. The problem here is that, while i dont think you are scum, I am way more sure that evantrees is town at this point. It is absolutly critical that we get a watch off on radfield tonight, and the best way to do that is place a very confirmed townie in that position. If we do it this way scum need to make a choice. They have to either shoot me in the prankster position, and hope it was an information role, or double stack you. Both plans will "work" but Im more comforatble with mine atm because i am not as sold on your aleignment as i am evantrees
Evantrees is not likely to be shot though, and dues-ex is. If he is still alive several days from now, then that's a problem, but for now I pretty much agree with his entire list.
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On December 21 2011 06:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
okay, who do we lynch?
1. Cascades
2. nyczbrandon
3. Comprissent
i favor the lynchcandidates in this order.
I would say
Comprissent
Cascades
nyczbrandon
But I am ok with a cascades lynch.
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To tell the truth that last quote greymist makes me lean more town on cascades.
In fact I've been leaning town on cascades all game, but I'm really not sure. I know I would much prefer lynching comprissent.
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On December 21 2011 06:54 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, some people still have to vote me in the election thread so i get pardoner, preferably about 3.
no you already have 6 votes greymist. You don't need anymore. We need deus-ex to get MORE than you, which means there aren't technically enough votes left for anyone to beat you out for second place.
17 votes
6 for grey
7 for deus
only 4 left.
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ie, you are locked in for at least second place right now barring a massive unvote
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