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On December 22 2011 13:43 GreYMisT wrote:
It is obvious of course that we should type our votes in thread as we would if there were no other voting thread.
Please do this, If your vote in here does not match the final vote tally you die.
Already thought of that, won't really help us I don't think, as I reread the daypost before posting it and deleted my post because...Only the results of the lynch and election shall be revealed at the end of the day. The vote count will not be public knowledge.
However, I still support posting your vote in this thread, as I always have. We just won't be able to verify them very easily.
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Also, it is fairly late in the game and scum are down to 1 kp now, should roleclaims happen from those who have yet to do so? Radfield, Zeks, and Greymist, I will defer to the majority opinion of you three.
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Even if Radfield isn't around, I still want to hear from Zeks and Greymist on whether we should mass role-claim. If Radfield is around I would like to hear from him as well. Prankster/Secretary of Defense need not say what those powers do, as I don't see how that would help us determine who is town or scum. Only claiming of roles given at the start of the game would be needed. I would also be fine with neither Zeks nor Radfield claiming during a mass claim. Presumably we know the last of the red roles remaining, so that would mean scum would either need to claim vanilla, or claim a plausible yet unprovable blue role with no counter-claim.
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On December 23 2011 03:52 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 03:29 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Even if Radfield isn't around, I still want to hear from Zeks and Greymist on whether we should mass role-claim. If Radfield is around I would like to hear from him as well. Prankster/Secretary of Defense need not say what those powers do, as I don't see how that would help us determine who is town or scum. Only claiming of roles given at the start of the game would be needed. I would also be fine with neither Zeks nor Radfield claiming during a mass claim. Presumably we know the last of the red roles remaining, so that would mean scum would either need to claim vanilla, or claim a plausible yet unprovable blue role with no counter-claim. It would be nice for all vanillas to claim right now
Only the vanillas? Well then, just to make it clear that I am complying with this and not ignoring it, I am a blue. I can claim the details of my role if needed, but otherwise I will leave it at that.
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I am the Lobbyist, every voting cycle I can place an extra vote for the election. It will show up only in the final tally, and will show up anonymously. As you can tell, I have never used my ability in this game, as the only day I would have liked to change the election result was day 1...but an extra vote on deus would not have stopped the election of Curu, and I was pretty sure my vote and an anonymous one being the only two on him would spell the doom of at least one of us, even if I claimed the vote. See Steamship day 1 for the explanation of that fear. Kenpachi T_T
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Known:
2. nyczbrandon
3. GreYMisT
5. Comprissent
7. Spaackle
11. MrZentor
13. prplhz
14. GiygaS
15. evantrees
16. Arctocod
17. bumatlarge
20. Eiii
21. xsksc
22. Liquid`Sheth
23. VisceraEyes
25. ProfessorBadass
Claimed:
1. jaj22
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople
9. Cwave
12. risk.nuke
18. Jitsu
Unclaimed:
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA
8. Refallen
10. zeks
19. Radfield
24. cascades
My claim is obviously verifiable, but sadly not today. I'd be interested in hearing from the remaining unclaimed people, but even so far that is a lot of alleged green compared to what has flipped so far...
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He claimed he was granted the secretary of defense power by arcto, but that is it as far as I know. I don't care whether or not he claims though, as I give him a 0% chance of being scum.
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Deus and Cascades, I would still like to hear your claims.
We also have only 24 hours left to decide our lynch. I would prefer to lynch into the group of Cwave, Cascades, and Jitsu. Other opinions on the matter?
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On December 23 2011 12:15 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 12:01 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Deus and Cascades, I would still like to hear your claims.
We also have only 24 hours left to decide our lynch. I would prefer to lynch into the group of Cwave, Cascades, and Jitsu. Other opinions on the matter? I asked you before; I'll ask again. Why are you so gung ho about getting me killed? You have yet to explain your case.
...wtf are you talking about?
On December 22 2011 13:55 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:People you lay suspicion on: evantrees, Comprissent, nycz, refallen Show nested quote +Sheth seems to be floundering a bit when under pressure. Not sure if this is a scum read, and I know it's obviously a re-hash of what people have already said.
Unsure of yourself, or just distancing from fellow scum? Either way about the lightest of an accusation possible. Your post explaining the situation with prof.ba was around the time Sheth voted for him...perhaps the time that it was agreed in the scum qt to go full speed ahead with the bus? Your post about it before that one: Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 12:15 Jitsu wrote:
Viscera, you're the man! GOod job.
Sorry about my lack of activity today guys. Had two seperate Christmas parties to go to tonight, and am actually going to hit the sack. I believe my votes are in for today, so we should be all good.
Nice pick on Bumatlarge. VE, all you baby.
~Jitsu Maybe it is just me, but the congratulating VE feels forced here. Late game scum reads: Show nested quote +Up until about 5 minutes ago, I was pretty convinced about Sheth, GreyMist, and Comprissent. Next post you list your scum reads as follows: 1st place: Comprissent is Top on my list. 2nd place: My next suspect is nyczbrandon. 3rd place: This spot is the void that was Greymist. As of now, it has been replaced with Deus-Ex-Mafia. No mention of Sheth. Also despite being "pretty convinced" about Sheth prior to that, you had made no accusations against him. That being said, you are not my strongest scum read currently.
The closest you have come to accusing known scum is your soft accusations on Sheth. Now add to that the fact that we presumably know all 5 scum roles and that none of them are vanilla, and you have claimed to be yet another vanilla town, which past flips indicate are a rare breed. You are still not my strongest scum read, but the remaining suspicious people are not very numerous.
I would be quite surprised to find any scum outside of this group:
1. jaj22
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
12. risk.nuke
18. Jitsu
24. cascades
And as I am sure you're aware, a few of those people look better than the rest. We also may have a way to verify refallen's vet claim if zeks has another shot.
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Fffffffffffff wrote a giant post on Refallen and firefox then decided to crash on me as I was about to post it
*sigh*
Rewriting it now.
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Why Refallen is likely town:
Skimming through the thread I would give a town read to prplhz, Radfield and Greymist. Check, check, and check.
On December 14 2011 12:12 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:09 Radfield wrote:On December 14 2011 12:08 Refallen wrote:On December 14 2011 12:06 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Holy hell all the non-posters just flooded out to vote Spaackle.
wtf Sorry, really didn't have time to do anything than a quick skim or two of the thread and I just decided to bandwagon him. I understand that this seems like a scummy thing to do but honestly with everyone pushing for a lynch I thought that getting on the bandwagon would be the most beneficial for town (see TL Mafia XLVIII for when no-lynches happen and screws town up lolol) Refallen there is no chance of a mislynch in this game. Whoever gets the most votes dies. Oh okay, I didn't know that. And sorry, I'll stop talking about the other game. I realise I'm not exactly appearing the most pro-town now and I would like to remedy that. However, I find it hard to come up with original content, especially when I missed most of day 1 and thus could not get involved in the 20+ pages of discussion that happened then. It seems like whenever I think of something it has already been addressed in the thread. I am sure scum were aware that this game was not extended majority. So unless he was feigning ignorance to try to get away with his bandwagoning (which I doubt), a point for him being town.
On December 14 2011 15:29 Refallen wrote:
We can reasonably treat Artocod as town at this point. And since we have confirmation that Palmar didn't withdraw, what do we make of the fact that profbadass immediately stepped up for the pardoner post? Don't you think that this is the kind of exact ideal situation that mafia would have tried to brew, getting a mafia pardoner, when Artocod was forced to withdraw? Calls out the exact scum plan...not something I'd think scum would do.
On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:22 zeks wrote:
DTs please review the lists for Spaackle lynch and ProfessorBA election vote
The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? Unless Greymist or Radfield are somehow scum, even if Refallen is scum 4 scum had to be on Radfield. Giving away where his whole team was hiding when he could easily increase suspicion on the others? I highly doubt that.
Was clearly not fond of Sheth:
Also, now that prplhz is dead (and was clearly town in day 1 imo), what can we say about people who suspected him in day 1, which iirc included Sheth?
On December 16 2011 09:52 Refallen wrote:Jitsu, for the timing issue, look at where I live... I honestly just woke up. And my post timings are always around this timing because it's early morning over here. Also, I am getting suspicious of Sheth. + Show Spoiler +First off, I know this is nothing conclusive, but I'm really suprised Arcto / Rad ./ ProfBA the veterans didn't come up with this.
So, last night we had a few interesting things occur. One, was the "Town Vig shot" on Eiii. And then we had the 2 deaths announced at the end, where xsksc and prplhz were killed. Also, Arcto claims that there was a mafia shot on him and that he lived through it. Arctocod says "we were shot last night, amazing. So now we "Know" where the 3 KP of the mafia were used. As long as we assume Arctocod is town, which I do.
It was used on xsksc + prplhz + arcto. Makes sense right?! Wrong. Why would mafia waste a KP that come on, lets be honest shouldn't be used singly on Arcto. There are other options here that I've thought of. So let me discuss them.
If instead of this, one of xsksc / prplhz was killed by another vigilante and Arcto was double stacked and still saved. Which I find unlikely, but not impossible. Or a newbie medic, despite us yelling to save Arcto chose to save someone else and magically got it correct and Arcto is just lieing. Also pretty much impossible. With Arcto now claiming to be shot and no one else coming out with "I was shot at night" or no one else dead, we can assume he really was shot.
This has been pretty simple logic so far and not at all what I'm trying to get at. The major points I'm saying so far is that Mafia using 1 KP on Arctocod was a stupid move. Theres no way around it. One option of this stupid move was just that were dealing with "Newbie" mafia. I suppose some other options include that the ability to make Arctocod step down, took 1 KP is possible. However I think thats unlikely.
After thinking this all through last night I was thinking to myself what if the kill that Giygas / Arcto used was actually a mafia KP. I think theres a chance that Giygas is a "Mafia Vig" who is doing this simply for town cred. This leads to a whole new area of thought where you have to wonder how legitimate Arcto is and if Mafia had this whole situation planned out for a while. I don't really want to get in to that here. I want to go more into why I think this was a Mafia Vig Shot.
As we all know, last night Arctocod recieved a package, a letter asking who to hit with a "Letter bomb" I'm just calling it that because someone already did. It ended up killing Eiii a blue townie. This letter bomb wasn't used as a group town ability simply as a "Giygas / Arctocod" ability. And it was sent to Arctocod while they were looking at Eiii quite harshly I believe. This part I'm not completely sure of, but I think its possible Giygas could geuss that Arctocod wasn't pressuing a mafia at the time so he would get a good townie to kill.
This would explain the one thing that was bugging me while I slept. Why did Arctocod get a KP used on him? I think its possible Giygas's power did this. I can definetly see a power in this game like "Mafia Terrorist" Once per game you may exchance a Mafia KP for sending a private PM to one player and this player will appear to have been shot at night and saved and then sending a second private PM that will detonate killing chosen player". This is basically the power that Giygas used, minus the few things that make it mafia. This power would simply makes a Mafia player look like a legit town vigilante.
I think its definetly a possiblility, almost likely considering I think its either this or Mafia has no veterans and just chose to waste one hit on Arcto. This could have been watched and obviously was going to be protected so I can't even see newbies making this mistake. Or something else I haven't thought of yet. Especially this post here. He makes a really convoluted case on Giygas here, a pretty much confirmed townie, and was pushing him several posts before that too. This was really weird to me, because Sheth seems to be from his previous postings a pretty logical player, so I find it suspicious he's trying to concoct a case on Giygas.
On December 18 2011 15:38 Refallen wrote:
Haha VE no idea where that came from, but well done!
evan claim when the night is over if you're a powerrole, no sense to do it during the night.
I want to take a closer look at Sheth, and maybe Radfield too.
On December 20 2011 12:26 Refallen wrote:
Totally, I'm suspicious of sheth and Cwave, evantrees as well. I'll post in more detail later.
On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote:
Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now.
Day 1
- zeks
- MrZentor (claimed blue?)
- prplhz (VT)
And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too.
Day 2
- really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town)
- really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass)
All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person.
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@Cascades
Role-claim or hang.
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Updated list of claims
Known:
2. nyczbrandon
3. GreYMisT
5. Comprissent
7. Spaackle
11. MrZentor
13. prplhz
14. GiygaS
15. evantrees
16. Arctocod
17. bumatlarge
20. Eiii
21. xsksc
22. Liquid`Sheth
23. VisceraEyes
25. ProfessorBadass
Claimed:
1. jaj22
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
12. risk.nuke
18. Jitsu
24. cascades
Dear Leader:
10. zeks
19. Radfield
@Cwave
Does everyone realise that people that have powers or win elections can be scum? Or is lynch all VT's who roleclaim till they are all dead the way its gonna go down. Deus claimed VT. You want Deus lynched but think lynching claimed VT's is dumb? Well, either way, if you disagree with the lynching claimed VT's, which known or claimed power roles would you like to see dead?
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Hey Jitsu - What's your read on Deus?
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On December 24 2011 01:21 Radfield wrote:
Looking over Cascades filter is not particularly reassuring.
His play is 80% defence, 19% speculation and 1% scumhunting.
Up until his case on Deus-ex he has done almost no scumhunting the entire game. I will say that there are still things that make him seem town, mainly the way in that he goes to lengths defending himself when he doesn't have to, and his defense against Greymist's accusations.
I wouldn't be super surprised if he flipped scum, but I still think that Cwave is a better candidate.
Both Refallen and TnTP have claimed blue roles, which takes us to a whopping 10 blue roles. However at least 4 or 5 of those roles are only worth half a blue(Politician, Day-Extender, Attorney, PSA, Lobbyist). For now I would take their claims at face-value. However I disagree that our current secret ballot voting has to be a scum power. It could very easily just be a game mechanic, and would be very strange for mafia to use it on this day instead of other days. In fact, I would expect the mafia to have a voting role like TnTP instead.
If you are still suspicious of me, I'd be happy to answer any and all questions you might have. Also, in case you didn't notice the first time I stated it, my power only lets me place an extra vote in the election, not in the lynch voting. And for what it's worth, if I was scum with anonymous voting powers, why wouldn't I have been creating confusion with it? Perhaps a nice anonymous vote on you day 1, or throw one on Giygas when he was elected. I'm sure it would have caused lots of useless speculations and suspicion (which is exactly why I have never used it).
@Deus
What's your opinion of Jitsu currently?
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On December 24 2011 03:19 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 03:05 Jitsu wrote:
We miss-lynched on Day One as well, so you decide to come after me because of a miss-lynch on day 3? AND there are no other reasons? That's a bullshit case, and you know it. I was tunneling him all game - in my eyes, for good reason. I'd assume that since other people voted for him, they should be lynched as well according to your logic, am I right?
No, that's not what I meant. Comprissent was scummy as hell, but green, so your tunnelling makes sense regardless of whether you're town or scum. It makes you a null read, bar the anti-Sheth post. There are so many confirmed or near-confirmed townies that you're probably around #4 in most people's lynch-target lists. If you don't like that, I'd suggest posting some fresh analysis.
You sub in fairly late to a game and have read/understood the thread better than plenty of people that have been in this game since the start. I like this guy.
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On December 22 2011 13:58 Jitsu wrote:
Meh. I guess I could see it. Although, when I made that list, it was after GreY role-claimed I believe, so since he came out blue, I didn't think Sheth was blindly defending his mafia scum anymore.
Oh well, I guess it gives me 48 hours to find someone better to lynch, then.
Night guys.
You decided not to bother with that I guess?
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Heading back to my hometown for the holidays, my vote is on cwave.
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@Radfield
Hopefully you will understand the meaning behind this message:
"A reminder that your discussion is limited"
If it is unclear, let me know.
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Could you clarify whether the tie was for second place in the election, or for the lynch?
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