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OK, I have everyone's filter saved. Makes it handy when scumhunting. Some are saved in the 'all' format.
Requesting permission to edit this post in the event I messed it up somewhere, or to add in risk, radfield's and cascades filters. Alternatively if the mods want to edit this into the OP that would be very useful as a reference as well.
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Radfield
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OK, the Police Chief acts as the ability to save two townies from dying tonight. We first save the Police Chief, but we also save his target if we make it public who he is watching.
Prankster we want to make sure ends up in town hands. I'm fairly confident risk.nuke is town given how hard he fought curu for the pardoner role, and given how curu was pushing to lynch him.
I'm ok with giving the Police Chief to supersoft right now, but I would like to filter him again to be sure.
On December 19 2011 22:19 risk.nuke wrote:
I didn't think they would go for arctocod today. Giygas you told the one you choose to protect arctocod and other one to protect radfield right. So mafia knew that arctocod would most likely only have 1 kp protection and if nobody speaks up and says they took a hit we should assume they doublestacked arctocod. If they didn't doublestack which I find very unlikely then radfield is probably mafia.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that I was roleblocked. Unless you think I've been lying about that for the last two cycles in a dastardly plot to be given a role that I already have an excuse to not use....
However, if anyone took a hit last night please claim it.
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yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster.
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On December 19 2011 22:54 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
Sorry newbie here. How is this played? I want to join
Check out one of the threads that are stickied in the forum. This is an ongoing game, so best not to post here unless you are actually playing in the game. For general information post in the "active games thread" or the "Miscellaneous Mafia" thread, or better yet find an old game and read through the OP and entire thread to get a handle on the game.
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nope, I never bothered because I was pretty sure they were town. I filtered the other two a few times but obviously forgot to save their filters. Maybe sheth can get them for us.
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^ whoops, that was in response to zeks.
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On December 19 2011 23:13 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 22:31 Radfield wrote:
Requesting permission to edit this post in the event I messed it up somewhere, or to add in risk, radfield's and cascades filters. Alternatively if the mods want to edit this into the OP that would be very useful as a reference as well. Thanks! As for the people who failed to vote, it seems several people misspelled or misformated their votes causing the bot to not register it. Anyone who failed to vote has received a warning.
Additionally, the police chief role's watcher ability applies to all day and night actions during the cycle.
Kita, a question on this:
Does the watcher ability act retroactively? Player A is roleblocked during Day 3(by Player X). If the Watcher targets Player A during Night 3, will he see Player X visiting Player A?
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zeks who do you want to lynch today?
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Does the Police Chief have to use his watcher ability Night 3, or can he save it for a different night?
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On December 19 2011 23:46 zeks wrote:
A thought:
Don't know if this is just the set up by kita or what but I remember Zentor claiming Floridian but his power was extending day
If I remember correctly the role Floridian gives the user an extra vote? Kind of find his role name claim fishy but again in a closed setup maybe kita modified it
Yes, that is actually quite strange. I did a bit of a double take at the time, but just ignored it given that the day extension power is quite pro-town.
MrZentor, do you also have a secondary ability of a double vote?
evantrees, I assume you are blue, do you have an investigative role?
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evantrees, all i need is a yes or no answer.
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I think it was a bonehead move, not necessarily scum-driven. I haven't read his filter at all lately though. His request from Arcto on who to kill was very pro-town, as he could have simply used his power to blow up me or arcto, likely without consequences.
Also, we have seen no other townside KP other than VE, so unless we start seeing lots of town KP, he is probably town.
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zeks is correct, and barring any particular circumstances I am the player to watch.
When I was roleblocked, I was immediately notified by the host, both times this happened apprx 6-8hours before the end of Day. So if anyone gets roleblocked you need to immediatly claim it.
Because the watcher acts retroactively, the mafia CANNOT roleblock this cycle, because that means we know where to watch to immediately get the identity of the roleblocker. Mafia cannot afford this.
So unless someone claims a roleblock, we watch me tonight. That assures I will live till day 4(unless mafia chooses a 1 for 1 trade, which at this point is ok). That frees up me to make a save tonight and tomorrow, and also frees up our other medic(whomever protected Arcto on night 1) to not protect me.
All in all a great situation for us. I'm hoping evantrees is an investigative role, that way we can protect him, and direct his action.
On December 20 2011 01:11 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 19:19 Refallen wrote:On December 19 2011 03:02 GreYMisT wrote:On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i had refallen on my townlist.
greymist is 95% scum.
will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. Just noting this for now, notice how dues (supersoft) said earlier that he is very good at telling my town from my scum, and because of this he would research me. Now notice how he waits for both arcticod and radfield to voice their suspicions before he posts. If he is so sure I am "95%" scum and he has as good of reads as he claims, why not say this earlier instead of waiting for Arcto and rad? Hardly a point, and you're not exactly helping your case by saying how two very good players think you're scum (one confirmed town, too). I explained my reasoning earlier about the suggestion for MrZentor as secretary of defense. Remember at that time I thought it was a public rolecheck. I suggested Zentor because:
A. He already claimed his role in thread, allowing us to check if he was Lyning or not.
B. putting someone in who had already claimed would protect other blues from exposure
C. I did not believe any powers were associated with this role Also, this did not make sense at all. The most definite clear choices for the Secretary of Defense and Surgeon were definitely Arc and Giygas, bar none. Your premise of how putting in Zentor would protect other blues is ridiculous. How would that work? Lastly, I for one thought that Zentor's claimed ability was very very believable. Also, evantrees you need to stop nitpicking on minor issues like vote formatting. Lastly, we really shouldn't be discussing modkills here. What's the point of that? For now, I'm leaning towards lynching Greymist. I'm Glad you didn't actually read my post so I have to explain it again. yay. I wanted MrZentor in that spot when I believed the position was a public roleclaim. After It was explained to me that that was not the case, I instead supported Giygas and Arctocod for the spot. None of you seem to be worried at all that the entire thread has decided to lynch me really based on nothing more than "feeling" and "meta." didnt we decide those were not good reasons early on?
Yes, voting based on "feeling" is a poor reason. Voting based on meta is a mediocre reason(see: erandorr). However I am doing neither of those things.
Public Roleclaim
You misunderstood the Defense position to be a public rolecheck. That is fine. However thinking this you pushed for Zentor, that is not fine. We know that mafia have 4 power roles, possibly 5. By you pushing for Zentor, you ensure that none of those players would be outted by the public rolecheck. Confirming Zentor was a waste of a very powerful town tool. You're whole position was that we needed to be careful and not out blues. But that is a terrible position. Any tool we can use to find scum we use. I doubt any other townies were sitting around worried about outting some scummy blue, because we don't care about that. Only mafia worry about the blue roles.
But that is certainly not the meat of what I was posting. You have not responded to my (short) case, though I admit there is not a ton you can say. Particularly damning I find is this quote:
On December 16 2011 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:09 Arctocod wrote:
His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target. But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today? you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this. ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all.
You go from thinking risk is scum, to "not completely sold on the risk being town". That is weak sauce.
Are your top 3 reads still nyczbrandon, evantrees and cascades? Do you still want to lynch risk.nuke? Show me some content.
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On December 20 2011 03:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Well zeks, it should be obvious. I didn't realize Deus would be the watcher for sure, I didn't think we'd decided if he wanted Pranker or Watcher. If Deus will be the watcher, hes not stupid. Hes clearly going to watch Radfield, however with saying we want him to WIFOM between himself and the other elected role (Prankster) we could have saved them both. And yes its smart that we watch radfield, however if you were able to catch on that Deus is smart enough to know what to do with his watch then I felt we could have saved someone else with it too. Even now I think its smart that we have him pick between Rad and Prank.
The thing is Sheth, if Deus is mafia we want to give him no excuse for allowing me to die. If I die, he better have a name come daybreak. By telling him to protect me he has no outs but to try and talk his way out.
Also, if Deus is town and we tell him to protect me, he still has the option of WIFOMing. Because mafia knows he is town, they will assume he will watch me, that means they have to avoid me, which means Deus can cover someone else... WIFOM.
But the thing is, it's not JUST about WIFOM. There are such things as optimal plays. Right now we have 14 vs 3, with a mafia KP of 2 and dropping. Mafia cannot afford to lose a member from a watch, cannot afford to leave me alive, and cannot afford a medic save(we will have 2 medics operating tonight). Very very difficult for them to operate in that environment. If I am in mafia's shoes I am shooting Radfield tonight, and hoping Deus-ex tries to get fancy. You know the hidden medic won't be targetting Radfield, so he is wide open. That means Deus-ex is in deep shit tomorrow and will probably get lynched, because he watched the wrong player against orders. Radfield is also dead so that eliminates a second potential medic save the following night. This leaves a 9 vs 3 scenario, with some of the best townside scumhunters dead. That is a scenario that mafia has a shot at winning.
Hence, Deus-ex HAS to watch me tonight, because trying to get fancy has an incredible downside, whereas getting lucky and out-WIFOMing mafia only leads us to victory slightly sooner.
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Radfield
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Actually the filter button is back up. Mind pointing out to me where you changed your mind?
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That was 5 hours AFTER the post that I quoted, which is where the flip-flop occurred and where you were "not completely sold on the risk being town".
In that time both me and Arctocod had made it clear we felt risk.nuke was a poor lynch.
Who do you think is likely scum? Still the three you previously posted about?
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Also, read that post you just quoted:
First you state your read has been reduced to near null. But then you go on to mention a number of points in favor of him being town. Reading that makes it seem like you conclusion is he is town.
However you finish with this line:
I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum.
Your point on him being scummy is that you "don't agree" with how he has been scumhunting. Not that he has acted scummy. That is your only point you make against him, and it is the excuse you give for not having a town read. I don't agree with the way many people scum-hunt, but that has NO BEARING on my read of them.
That whole post reads like you think risk.nuke is town, yet don't want to come out and say it. Your only excuse for not having a town read is you "don't agree" with his scumhunting. That is scummy.
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On December 20 2011 04:49 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 04:44 Radfield wrote:
That was 5 hours AFTER the post that I quoted, which is where the flip-flop occurred and where you were "not completely sold on the risk being town".
In that time both me and Arctocod had made it clear we felt risk.nuke was a poor lynch.
Who do you think is likely scum? Still the three you previously posted about? Yes, I expect to find scum in those three players. Also when you said "public roleclaim" in bold earlier, was that clairifying my misunderstanding of the secretary of defense? or were you actually asking me to roleclaim?
I was clarifying, but you are welcome to claim as well if you like.
I gotta run.
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On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me.
come on.
What's your point here? Is that supposed to discredit me?
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On December 20 2011 05:46 jaj22 wrote:
Hi everyone, I'm subbing in for MarserBlood. I've been following this game but not that closely, so recommendations for filters I should check out in detail are welcome.
Nice to have you around. I recommend reading the thread in it's entirity, or at least from Day 2 onward.
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